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(07-31-2020 10:32 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think it’s a low class move by the SEC to not play the ACC instate rivalry games. If this was the year that the SEC was hosting 3 of the 4 (rather that 1 of the 4) these games would still be on the schedule.
I agree with you Muskie. Unfortunately, the suits don't, and we must put up with their baloney!!!

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(07-31-2020 10:32 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think it’s a low class move by the SEC to not play the ACC instate rivalry games. If this was the year that the SEC was hosting 3 of the 4 (rather that 1 of the 4) these games would still be on the schedule.

My theory is that South Carolina was the only one that wanted the rivalry game because:

1) They don't think they'll be in contention for the SEC East title, so worries about how this game could impact their SEC season are minimal.

2) It's Clemson, definitely one of the best teams and biggest games for South Carolina.

Meanwhile, Florida and Georgia are more worried about winning the SEC East. A rivalry game before the CCG could cause complications. Also, I think this shows that Kentucky doesn't value their rivalry game with Louisville as much as many of their SEC games.

One workable concept would have been to play the 4 rivalry games (and other OOC games) on September 5 or September 12 so you have at least 2 weeks before the SEC conference season begins on September 26. You more likely avoid significant Covid quarantine issues, at least those stemming from the OOC games.
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(07-31-2020 09:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I’ve have been critical of ACC leadership since Louisville joined the league. Now The SEC wimps out on college football. Didn’t think I would ever see the day that The ACC committed to play more games than The SEC.

What is it they say in The SEC.... “It just matters more”

Well.... I guess not 03-lmfao

Wimp out? Four other ACC/SEC games were canceled by the ACC before the SEC's ruling. The ACC was willing to keep the end of season rivalry games because it owned the rights to 3 of them and the least valuable game to sell, Georgia / Ga Tech was the only one of the 4 owned by the SEC this year.

That's not wimping out that's letting the ACC hold the bag when they wimped out on the other 4.

In other words Jim the ACC was hoisted on their own petard in this one and ESPN bears some blame as well.

From a business perspective the ACC wanted us to give up 3 money games in the 4 cancelations, and wanted to keep 3 money games at the end of the season. And any SEC school vs Georgia makes more money than Georgia / Ga Tech when Georgia is the home school and that is the only one of the 4 rivalry games that the SEC had the rights to.

It's purely a business move to recoup the losses in revenue from 3 of the first 4 game cancellations by the ACC.

The SEC will do fine having more SEC schools play SEC schools and given our RPI year to year the SOS likely goes up.

The whole point of playing just 10 conference games was that no matter what the conference got full rights to them making up for away OOC games. The added inventory of conference games more than compensated for the lost buy games and the OOC P games lost on the schedule. And if anything Swofford and Sankey are wusses in this regard because ESPN is getting more merchandisable inventory, if the season is played, than they would have had otherwise and our two feckless commissioners didn't ask for an adjustment in revenue to reflect that. Shame on them!
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Losing the Kentucky game is certainly no great loss to Louisville. They are easily replaceable.
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(07-31-2020 11:24 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 10:32 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think it’s a low class move by the SEC to not play the ACC instate rivalry games. If this was the year that the SEC was hosting 3 of the 4 (rather that 1 of the 4) these games would still be on the schedule.

My theory is that South Carolina was the only one that wanted the rivalry game because:

1) They don't think they'll be in contention for the SEC East title, so worries about how this game could impact their SEC season are minimal.

2) It's Clemson, definitely one of the best teams and biggest games for South Carolina.

Meanwhile, Florida and Georgia are more worried about winning the SEC East. A rivalry game before the CCG could cause complications. Also, I think this shows that Kentucky doesn't value their rivalry game with Louisville as much as many of their SEC games.

One workable concept would have been to play the 4 rivalry games (and other OOC games) on September 5 or September 12 so you have at least 2 weeks before the SEC conference season begins on September 26. You more likely avoid significant Covid quarantine issues, at least those stemming from the OOC games.

I think you're correct. UF and UGA still have each other. And UGA has Auburn. For them, the GT game might be number 3 on their priority list.

UK/Louisville is fairly new and has only been on Thanksgiving weekend for 6 or 7 years, so there is not a ton of tradition there.
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(07-31-2020 08:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 07:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 06:49 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:02 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Thanks Terry. I might have to be a bandwagon ND fan this year haha

Blame the PAC and Big 10 and then the ACC. The PAC set the tone and the Big 10 followed. When the ACC went to 10 the SEC had no choice but to do the same. The leadership you need to blame is that of ESPN and the ACC.

But look at it like the social experiment it is. If 5 home SEC games doesn't draw as well or better than what you had scheduled with 2 buy games what have you lost?

Also Gamecock if it isn't worth having the Season if you don't play Clemson then you don't really belong in the SEC. I would think by now that games with Tennessee, Florida and Georgia should be worth a season.

JR, the Clemson game is the biggest game of the year and it’s not close. No one is going to give a damn or be excited about playing Arkansas or Auburn.

Frankly, at this point I’m done with the SEC and all of their empty talk. Clearly the league does not care about South Carolina or it’s fans.

It's laughable how so many ACC fans, and now a few South Carolina, fans are getting their panties in a wad over the cancellation of some SEC-ACC games. Earth to fanboys: It's a pandemic and games are being canceled all over the place, you're not being singled out.

And the funniest thing is that Clemson/SC is drawing the most whining. I'm sorry Clemson and SC fans, but your rivalry just isn't that big of a deal. Who really cares if Clemson doesn't get to beat SC by 40 points yet again? OK, i get it - people in the state of South Carolina care. But guess what? You can't expect entire conferences to mold schedules for everyone based on what the state of South Carolina wants, can you?

Fans of bigger rivalries, like USC vs Notre Dame, aren't whining so put a lid on it for crissakes.

You'd think Clemson vs SC was Army vs Navy or something. Good grief.

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But it is the biggest deal to us

Just because it doesn’t get the national attention doesn’t mean it isn’t one of the most heated rivalries in the country. In terms of pure hatred it’s right up there with any of those you mentioned

It’s just a gigantic slap in the face from conference leadership, particularly given that the ACC already announced they wanted those games to continue

Since when does - or should - the SEC care what the ACC does with its scheduling?

Especially when as Bullet noted, the ACC had no problem canceling 3 or 4 early-season SEC vs ACC games. They cancel those but want to hold the November games, three of which are home for the ACC? Suuuuure.

Plus, there's only four SEC teams with these rivalry games, so the other 10 are supposed to play OOC games to accommodate them?

Please.

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(07-31-2020 09:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 09:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I’ve have been critical of ACC leadership since Louisville joined the league. Now The SEC wimps out on college football. Didn’t think I would ever see the day that The ACC committed to play more games than The SEC.

What is it they say in The SEC.... “It just matters more”

Well.... I guess not 03-lmfao

Well I think clearly Kentucky, Georgia and Florida said Louisville, Georgia Tech and FSU just don't matter that much. South Carolina was the only no vote.

Other than Georgia-Georgia Tech, these aren't long standing rivalries. Kentucky-Louisville is very new. And Georgia-Georgia Tech has become kind of one sided the last 50 years.

Still kind of surprised Florida was a yes vote, but then it probably wouldn't have even come to a vote if Florida and Georgia weren't on board.

That's a big point missed here by some - in these particular cases, with the exception of SC/Clemson, a balanced rivalry in terms of intereast, the games mean more to the ACC school. Despite talk about Miami, Florida is FSU's biggest rival but FSU is not Florida's biggest rival (that's Georgia). Likewise, Georgia is GT's biggest rival, but GT is not Georgia's biggest rival (that's Florida). And as you say, Kentucky and Louisville is, well, a basketball thing more than anything.
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(07-31-2020 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 08:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 07:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 06:49 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Blame the PAC and Big 10 and then the ACC. The PAC set the tone and the Big 10 followed. When the ACC went to 10 the SEC had no choice but to do the same. The leadership you need to blame is that of ESPN and the ACC.

But look at it like the social experiment it is. If 5 home SEC games doesn't draw as well or better than what you had scheduled with 2 buy games what have you lost?

Also Gamecock if it isn't worth having the Season if you don't play Clemson then you don't really belong in the SEC. I would think by now that games with Tennessee, Florida and Georgia should be worth a season.

JR, the Clemson game is the biggest game of the year and it’s not close. No one is going to give a damn or be excited about playing Arkansas or Auburn.

Frankly, at this point I’m done with the SEC and all of their empty talk. Clearly the league does not care about South Carolina or it’s fans.

It's laughable how so many ACC fans, and now a few South Carolina, fans are getting their panties in a wad over the cancellation of some SEC-ACC games. Earth to fanboys: It's a pandemic and games are being canceled all over the place, you're not being singled out.

And the funniest thing is that Clemson/SC is drawing the most whining. I'm sorry Clemson and SC fans, but your rivalry just isn't that big of a deal. Who really cares if Clemson doesn't get to beat SC by 40 points yet again? OK, i get it - people in the state of South Carolina care. But guess what? You can't expect entire conferences to mold schedules for everyone based on what the state of South Carolina wants, can you?

Fans of bigger rivalries, like USC vs Notre Dame, aren't whining so put a lid on it for crissakes.

You'd think Clemson vs SC was Army vs Navy or something. Good grief.

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But it is the biggest deal to us

Just because it doesn’t get the national attention doesn’t mean it isn’t one of the most heated rivalries in the country. In terms of pure hatred it’s right up there with any of those you mentioned

It’s just a gigantic slap in the face from conference leadership, particularly given that the ACC already announced they wanted those games to continue

Since when does - or should - the SEC care what the ACC does with its scheduling?

Especially when as Bullet noted, the ACC had no problem canceling 3 or 4 early-season SEC vs ACC games. They cancel those but want to hold the November games, three of which are home for the ACC? Suuuuure.

Plus, there's only four SEC teams with these rivalry games, so the other 10 are supposed to play OOC games to accommodate them?

Please.

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Apparently they do not care - you’re right about that. Which is what I’m getting at. It’s embarrassing and they should be ashamed of themselves for not wanting to find a way to make it work
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(07-31-2020 05:55 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 08:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 07:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 06:49 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  JR, the Clemson game is the biggest game of the year and it’s not close. No one is going to give a damn or be excited about playing Arkansas or Auburn.

Frankly, at this point I’m done with the SEC and all of their empty talk. Clearly the league does not care about South Carolina or it’s fans.

It's laughable how so many ACC fans, and now a few South Carolina, fans are getting their panties in a wad over the cancellation of some SEC-ACC games. Earth to fanboys: It's a pandemic and games are being canceled all over the place, you're not being singled out.

And the funniest thing is that Clemson/SC is drawing the most whining. I'm sorry Clemson and SC fans, but your rivalry just isn't that big of a deal. Who really cares if Clemson doesn't get to beat SC by 40 points yet again? OK, i get it - people in the state of South Carolina care. But guess what? You can't expect entire conferences to mold schedules for everyone based on what the state of South Carolina wants, can you?

Fans of bigger rivalries, like USC vs Notre Dame, aren't whining so put a lid on it for crissakes.

You'd think Clemson vs SC was Army vs Navy or something. Good grief.

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But it is the biggest deal to us

Just because it doesn’t get the national attention doesn’t mean it isn’t one of the most heated rivalries in the country. In terms of pure hatred it’s right up there with any of those you mentioned

It’s just a gigantic slap in the face from conference leadership, particularly given that the ACC already announced they wanted those games to continue

Since when does - or should - the SEC care what the ACC does with its scheduling?

Especially when as Bullet noted, the ACC had no problem canceling 3 or 4 early-season SEC vs ACC games. They cancel those but want to hold the November games, three of which are home for the ACC? Suuuuure.

Plus, there's only four SEC teams with these rivalry games, so the other 10 are supposed to play OOC games to accommodate them?

Please.

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Apparently they do not care - you’re right about that. Which is what I’m getting at. It’s embarrassing and they should be ashamed of themselves for not wanting to find a way to make it work

IMO, anyone who thinks the SEC should "work" with the ACC to preserve four games the ACC wants to play, when the ACC unilaterally canceled four games vs the SEC without any such consideration, is just not thinking clearly. It's a pretty selfish stance that shows no regard for one's conference mates.

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(07-31-2020 07:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 05:55 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 08:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 07:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's laughable how so many ACC fans, and now a few South Carolina, fans are getting their panties in a wad over the cancellation of some SEC-ACC games. Earth to fanboys: It's a pandemic and games are being canceled all over the place, you're not being singled out.

And the funniest thing is that Clemson/SC is drawing the most whining. I'm sorry Clemson and SC fans, but your rivalry just isn't that big of a deal. Who really cares if Clemson doesn't get to beat SC by 40 points yet again? OK, i get it - people in the state of South Carolina care. But guess what? You can't expect entire conferences to mold schedules for everyone based on what the state of South Carolina wants, can you?

Fans of bigger rivalries, like USC vs Notre Dame, aren't whining so put a lid on it for crissakes.

You'd think Clemson vs SC was Army vs Navy or something. Good grief.

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But it is the biggest deal to us

Just because it doesn’t get the national attention doesn’t mean it isn’t one of the most heated rivalries in the country. In terms of pure hatred it’s right up there with any of those you mentioned

It’s just a gigantic slap in the face from conference leadership, particularly given that the ACC already announced they wanted those games to continue

Since when does - or should - the SEC care what the ACC does with its scheduling?

Especially when as Bullet noted, the ACC had no problem canceling 3 or 4 early-season SEC vs ACC games. They cancel those but want to hold the November games, three of which are home for the ACC? Suuuuure.

Plus, there's only four SEC teams with these rivalry games, so the other 10 are supposed to play OOC games to accommodate them?

Please.

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Apparently they do not care - you’re right about that. Which is what I’m getting at. It’s embarrassing and they should be ashamed of themselves for not wanting to find a way to make it work

IMO, anyone who thinks the SEC should "work" with the ACC to preserve four games the ACC wants to play, when the ACC unilaterally canceled four games vs the SEC without any such consideration, is just not thinking clearly. It's a pretty selfish stance that shows no regard for one's conference mates.

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They should’ve just copied the model the ACC put out and left schools the discretion to work out whatever they could out of conference. Every single SEC school had an OOC game scheduled at their home stadium at worst one of those could have been the game. Or if they wanted to just decline an 11th game that’s fine too. But take the option away from us
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(07-31-2020 02:15 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Well a congressman got a gripe on the record. So effing what. The government is not doing squat about tens of thousands of broken contracts due to covid-19. College football games are not special to the eyes of the court.

It's a South Carolina legislator, and as state institutions if the SC legislature passes a law requiring the two schools to play the schools are obligated to do so and there is absolutely nothing the conferences can do about that. It's already happened once back in 1952 when Clemson was suspended by the Southern Conference and the SoCon prohibited member schools from playing Clemson and Maryland.
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I'm for one am excited that the SEC will be having 10 conference games. Bama won't have the three gimme games vs TN-Martin and co. But the whining going on behind scenes on who exactly plays who for the two additional games is really fun to read about..

Y'all know my love for aggy (LOL), but it came out that Bjork (the AD) brought up playing North Texas..NORTH TEXAS as one of the conference games for safety reasons instead of playing FL..LOL. He doesn't want to play Texas, and now tried to use health guidelines to count NORTH TEXAS as a conference game..

This is entertaining and exciting. I'm pumped for the 2020 season.
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(08-01-2020 07:42 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 02:15 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Well a congressman got a gripe on the record. So effing what. The government is not doing squat about tens of thousands of broken contracts due to covid-19. College football games are not special to the eyes of the court.

It's a South Carolina legislator, and as state institutions if the SC legislature passes a law requiring the two schools to play the schools are obligated to do so and there is absolutely nothing the conferences can do about that. It's already happened once back in 1952 when Clemson was suspended by the Southern Conference and the SoCon prohibited member schools from playing Clemson and Maryland.

I’m hoping we hear something on it next week. Both schools are willing and want to. There’s no reason we couldn’t do it on 9/5 as both schools are off then. Also, I heard yesterday the SEC intends to leave the last week of the season open, so there potentially be a game there as long as the ACC schedule doesn’t conflict with it.
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(07-31-2020 07:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 05:55 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 08:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 07:54 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's laughable how so many ACC fans, and now a few South Carolina, fans are getting their panties in a wad over the cancellation of some SEC-ACC games. Earth to fanboys: It's a pandemic and games are being canceled all over the place, you're not being singled out.

And the funniest thing is that Clemson/SC is drawing the most whining. I'm sorry Clemson and SC fans, but your rivalry just isn't that big of a deal. Who really cares if Clemson doesn't get to beat SC by 40 points yet again? OK, i get it - people in the state of South Carolina care. But guess what? You can't expect entire conferences to mold schedules for everyone based on what the state of South Carolina wants, can you?

Fans of bigger rivalries, like USC vs Notre Dame, aren't whining so put a lid on it for crissakes.

You'd think Clemson vs SC was Army vs Navy or something. Good grief.

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But it is the biggest deal to us

Just because it doesn’t get the national attention doesn’t mean it isn’t one of the most heated rivalries in the country. In terms of pure hatred it’s right up there with any of those you mentioned

It’s just a gigantic slap in the face from conference leadership, particularly given that the ACC already announced they wanted those games to continue

Since when does - or should - the SEC care what the ACC does with its scheduling?

Especially when as Bullet noted, the ACC had no problem canceling 3 or 4 early-season SEC vs ACC games. They cancel those but want to hold the November games, three of which are home for the ACC? Suuuuure.

Plus, there's only four SEC teams with these rivalry games, so the other 10 are supposed to play OOC games to accommodate them?

Please.

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Apparently they do not care - you’re right about that. Which is what I’m getting at. It’s embarrassing and they should be ashamed of themselves for not wanting to find a way to make it work

IMO, anyone who thinks the SEC should "work" with the ACC to preserve four games the ACC wants to play, when the ACC unilaterally canceled four games vs the SEC without any such consideration, is just not thinking clearly. It's a pretty selfish stance that shows no regard for one's conference mates.

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The comparison of the early season game cancellations, to end of season rivalry game cancellations is not appropriate. If you dig deeper into the argument, the defenders of the SEC position are non-sensical.

Folks are mentioning 4 early season ACC v SEC matchups. I remember 3 games scheduled: 1) Miss St @ NC St...the financial loser in cancelling this game is the ACC and/or NC St; 2) UVA v UGA neutral site kickoff game in Atlanta...even in +1 scenario UGA would have cancelled this game in favor of GT in Athens (canceling this game is financially net neutral to each conference and school...but it would have been advantageous to the SEC if UGA valued the GT rivalry game); and 3) Auburn v UNC in Atlanta...another net financially neutral game. If anything, in 2020 the ACC lost more financially, than the SEC, when the early season match-ups were canceled.

A minor beef that the SEC can make relative to the ACC actions is that they restricted the +1 OOC game to the State of the ACC university. This meant that Miss St @ NC State could have continued...this policy could have disadvantaged the SEC in scheduling other +1 OOC games versus the ACC.
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(08-01-2020 09:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(08-01-2020 07:42 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 02:15 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Well a congressman got a gripe on the record. So effing what. The government is not doing squat about tens of thousands of broken contracts due to covid-19. College football games are not special to the eyes of the court.

It's a South Carolina legislator, and as state institutions if the SC legislature passes a law requiring the two schools to play the schools are obligated to do so and there is absolutely nothing the conferences can do about that. It's already happened once back in 1952 when Clemson was suspended by the Southern Conference and the SoCon prohibited member schools from playing Clemson and Maryland.

I’m hoping we hear something on it next week. Both schools are willing and want to. There’s no reason we couldn’t do it on 9/5 as both schools are off then. Also, I heard yesterday the SEC intends to leave the last week of the season open, so there potentially be a game there as long as the ACC schedule doesn’t conflict with it.

That’s out of the box scheduling. Even though the SEC is not seeking any out of conference games, could USC, UGA, UF and UK just do their own arrangement?

These schools would be prioritizing rivalry over conference nice...very much in line with college football tradition.
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Now you see why every time I put together a new realignment I always put these in state rivals in the same conference even if I have to move the teams around. Almost every time I keep the Florida and Georgia schools together so if Florida/Georgia is bigger than Florida/Florida State and Georgia/Georgia Tech, Florida and Georgia can have their cake and eat it too. There was one realignment I separated UF and UGa recently and I could certainly switch it around so they can stay together.
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(08-01-2020 09:44 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 07:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(07-31-2020 04:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 08:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  But it is the biggest deal to us

Just because it doesn’t get the national attention doesn’t mean it isn’t one of the most heated rivalries in the country. In terms of pure hatred it’s right up there with any of those you mentioned

It’s just a gigantic slap in the face from conference leadership, particularly given that the ACC already announced they wanted those games to continue

Since when does - or should - the SEC care what the ACC does with its scheduling?

Especially when as Bullet noted, the ACC had no problem canceling 3 or 4 early-season SEC vs ACC games. They cancel those but want to hold the November games, three of which are home for the ACC? Suuuuure.

Plus, there's only four SEC teams with these rivalry games, so the other 10 are supposed to play OOC games to accommodate them?

Please.

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Apparently they do not care - you’re right about that. Which is what I’m getting at. It’s embarrassing and they should be ashamed of themselves for not wanting to find a way to make it work

IMO, anyone who thinks the SEC should "work" with the ACC to preserve four games the ACC wants to play, when the ACC unilaterally canceled four games vs the SEC without any such consideration, is just not thinking clearly. It's a pretty selfish stance that shows no regard for one's conference mates.

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The comparison of the early season game cancellations, to end of season rivalry game cancellations is not appropriate. If you dig deeper into the argument, the defenders of the SEC position are non-sensical.

Folks are mentioning 4 early season ACC v SEC matchups. I remember 3 games scheduled: 1) Miss St @ NC St...the financial loser in cancelling this game is the ACC and/or NC St; 2) UVA v UGA neutral site kickoff game in Atlanta...even in +1 scenario UGA would have cancelled this game in favor of GT in Athens (canceling this game is financially net neutral to each conference and school...but it would have been advantageous to the SEC if UGA valued the GT rivalry game); and 3) Auburn v UNC in Atlanta...another net financially neutral game. If anything, in 2020 the ACC lost more financially, than the SEC, when the early season match-ups were canceled.

A minor beef that the SEC can make relative to the ACC actions is that they restricted the +1 OOC game to the State of the ACC university. This meant that Miss St @ NC State could have continued...this policy could have disadvantaged the SEC in scheduling other +1 OOC games versus the ACC.

Wow, you claim that the comparison is "non-sensical" and "not appropriate" and then back it up with .... this weak sauce?

Three games versus four? OK, it's three games the ACC unilaterally canceled, not four. Point still stands.

The three games canceled were located at two neutral sites and one ACC stadium?

So what - the point is, the ACC canceled these games *unilaterally* without working with the SEC. That's the point, not the details about who loses what money or whatever. If the SEC had matched the ACC scheduling model, it would have been allowing the ACC to dictate which ACC/SEC games were canceled and which were not. It's the principle, not the details you mention. It would be allowing the ACC to decide that those three games were not important to the SEC teams involved.

You say the MSST - NCST cancellation is a "minor beef" the SEC has here. IMO, you have one minor point here - apparently the ACC unilaterally canceled three games, not four.

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