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(07-30-2020 06:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  They're really going to have no basis for determining the CFP if its close.

They'll take the 4 conference champs with the best SOS based on RPI. If there is a CFP. This will hurt the PAC more than anyone else.

With conference only schedules, RPI is meaningless.
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(07-30-2020 06:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  They're really going to have no basis for determining the CFP if its close.

They'll take the 4 conference champs with the best SOS based on RPI. If there is a CFP. This will hurt the PAC more than anyone else.

With conference only schedules, RPI is meaningless.

It's always been meaningless. It's a computer's best guess. Whoopee! And SOS will be self serving as well for the SEC and Big 10. But what's different about that? Nada! So in the end it will be the 4 teams with the better records that also draw tons of eyes to their games. Bank on it!
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(07-30-2020 07:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  
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(07-30-2020 06:02 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 05:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:51 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Seriously, seriously mad at the leadership right now - unless this is just some sort of silly pretense to cancelling the entire season it's hard to see how this makes sense.

Personally, if we can't even play Clemson there isn't much point to even having as season.


Understood. I feel the same way about Southern Cal (I never call them "USC").

Thanks Terry. I might have to be a bandwagon ND fan this year haha

Blame the PAC and Big 10 and then the ACC. The PAC set the tone and the Big 10 followed. When the ACC went to 10 the SEC had no choice but to do the same. The leadership you need to blame is that of ESPN and the ACC.

But look at it like the social experiment it is. If 5 home SEC games doesn't draw as well or better than what you had scheduled with 2 buy games what have you lost?

Also Gamecock if it isn't worth having the Season if you don't play Clemson then you don't really belong in the SEC. I would think by now that games with Tennessee, Florida and Georgia should be worth a season.

What?
The ACC went to 10+1.
Then the SEC went to 10 games and left Georgia Tech, Florida State, Louisville and Clemson hanging with no rivalry game.
That blame falls squarely on the SEC.

ACC took the first step cancelling Auburn-UNC, UGA-UVA, MSU-NCSU, Ark-ND.
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(07-30-2020 04:42 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  Here's whats not cancelled on each ACC teams schedule meeting the in state requirement.

BC - none
Clemson - Citadel*
Duke - Middle Tennessee, Charlotte, Elon*
FSU - Samford*
GT - UCF, Gardner-Webb*
Louisville - Western Kentucky, Murray State*
Miami - Temple, UAB, Wagner*
NC State - Liberty
UNC - Uconn, James Madison*
ND - Navy (It's away right now but they're going to play Navy)
Pitt - none
Syracuse - Liberty
Virginia - Uconn, @ODU
VT - Liberty, North Alabama*
WF - App State

*FCS, not sure if they'll be able to meet the testing requirements.

Do not know how likely this is, but UNC can keep a top 25 matchup and boost their SOS by having UCF come up to UNC this year instead of the cancelled trip to Florida. Seems like an easy fix, allows them to keep a top 25 game on their schedule. Maybe the can swap the return game or split the costs for UCF to travel to UNC. This is of course if AAC doesn't go conference only.
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(07-30-2020 07:55 PM)leofrog Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 04:41 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 04:11 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  That’s a jerk move to L’ville, Florida St, and Clemson.

Georgia Tech too. Odds are there won't be much of a season at all anyway, though.

But Georgia's scheduled to host in 2020. It doesn't mean as much if fans aren't allowed in the stands or there is limited capacity but it also affects television rights. Now in the case of Georgia, if they replace Georgia Tech with LSU they'd probably get better TV ratings and more money (Georgia was already scheduled to play Alabama in 2020 but in Tuscaloosa). Then again, if Georgia replaces the home game with Georgia Tech with a home game with one of the Mississippi schools, they will probably lose money.

In the case of Florida State, they are replacing Florida with two additional ACC opponents. Florida State will play at Notre Dame in 2020 which I'm pretty sure they weren't originally scheduled to do this season. Replacing Florida with Notre Dame might improve the TV ratings/money for FSU (not sure since Florida is their biggest rival). But if that game airs on NBC and all the money goes to Notre Dame, Florida State gets screwed. Florida State will play Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Pitt, and Virginia at home. Clemson and Virginia are divisional opponents that they would have played at home in 2020 had it been a normal season. If I'm a Florida State fan, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, and Pitt all seem like pretty big downgrades compared to Florida.
Why does the opponent matter for TV games? The schools get the same amount no matter who they play. Now, there may be adjustments this year due to a decrease in games, but that’s a given.

The ACC will probably not face a reduction in its TV payout at all. Every school is playing ten P5 opponents. Under the planned schedule, only 5 of 14 members were scheduled to play 2 P5 opponents OOC, in addition to eight conference games. That's a huge improvement, particularly considering many of the OOC P5 games would have been on the road and therefore not in the ACC package. The plus one games all seem likely to be versus G5 opponents. As originally scheduled, all 14 conference members were scheduled to play an FCS opponent. These games are the ones that will effectively be eliminated.
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(07-30-2020 05:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 05:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:51 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Seriously, seriously mad at the leadership right now - unless this is just some sort of silly pretense to cancelling the entire season it's hard to see how this makes sense.

Personally, if we can't even play Clemson there isn't much point to even having as season.


Understood. I feel the same way about Southern Cal (I never call them "USC").

Ugh. Don't call them "Southern Cal". Don't imply they are connected to Cal in any way. 07-coffee3

May I suggest "USuCk" or "University of Spoiled Children".

If you were introduced to CFB in the 1970s or earlier, you know them as Southern Cal.
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(07-30-2020 08:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  They're really going to have no basis for determining the CFP if its close.

They'll take the 4 conference champs with the best SOS based on RPI. If there is a CFP. This will hurt the PAC more than anyone else.

With conference only schedules, RPI is meaningless.

It's always been meaningless. It's a computer's best guess. Whoopee! And SOS will be self serving as well for the SEC and Big 10. But what's different about that? Nada! So in the end it will be the 4 teams with the better records that also draw tons of eyes to their games. Bank on it!

There is no perfect computer rankings system and never will be with every team playing 12-15 games. But without non-conference games you have to use information from previous seasons with respect to winning which conference carries the most weight. That's what would be different this year.

If we were to have a CFP and it's not obvious which of the P5 champs are the 4 best the Pac-12 and any ACC champ (if it isn't somehow Clemson) are going to be at a disadvantage.
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(07-30-2020 08:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  They're really going to have no basis for determining the CFP if its close.

They'll take the 4 conference champs with the best SOS based on RPI. If there is a CFP. This will hurt the PAC more than anyone else.

With conference only schedules, RPI is meaningless.

It's always been meaningless. It's a computer's best guess. Whoopee! And SOS will be self serving as well for the SEC and Big 10. But what's different about that? Nada! So in the end it will be the 4 teams with the better records that also draw tons of eyes to their games. Bank on it!

There is no perfect computer rankings system and never will be with every team playing 12-15 games. But without non-conference games you have to use information from previous seasons with respect to winning which conference carries the most weight. That's what would be different this year.

If we were to have a CFP and it's not obvious which of the P5 champs are the 4 best the Pac-12 and any ACC champ (if it isn't somehow Clemson) are going to be at a disadvantage.

I’d guess the CFP could be on hold and the conferences default back to their bowl ties only.
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(07-30-2020 08:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  They're really going to have no basis for determining the CFP if its close.

They'll take the 4 conference champs with the best SOS based on RPI. If there is a CFP. This will hurt the PAC more than anyone else.

With conference only schedules, RPI is meaningless.

It's always been meaningless. It's a computer's best guess. Whoopee! And SOS will be self serving as well for the SEC and Big 10. But what's different about that? Nada! So in the end it will be the 4 teams with the better records that also draw tons of eyes to their games. Bank on it!

There is no perfect computer rankings system and never will be with every team playing 12-15 games. But without non-conference games you have to use information from previous seasons with respect to winning which conference carries the most weight. That's what would be different this year.

If we were to have a CFP and it's not obvious which of the P5 champs are the 4 best the Pac-12 and any ACC champ (if it isn't somehow Clemson) are going to be at a disadvantage.

In other words, it has zero validity.
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(07-31-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  They'll take the 4 conference champs with the best SOS based on RPI. If there is a CFP. This will hurt the PAC more than anyone else.

With conference only schedules, RPI is meaningless.

It's always been meaningless. It's a computer's best guess. Whoopee! And SOS will be self serving as well for the SEC and Big 10. But what's different about that? Nada! So in the end it will be the 4 teams with the better records that also draw tons of eyes to their games. Bank on it!

There is no perfect computer rankings system and never will be with every team playing 12-15 games. But without non-conference games you have to use information from previous seasons with respect to winning which conference carries the most weight. That's what would be different this year.

If we were to have a CFP and it's not obvious which of the P5 champs are the 4 best the Pac-12 and any ACC champ (if it isn't somehow Clemson) are going to be at a disadvantage.

In other words, it has zero validity.

Hogwash! If the Big 10 champ, SEC champ, and Big 12 champ are all included and it comes down to the ACC champ over the PAC champ (unless one is clearly undefeated which I doubt any of them will be) then we have essentially the same final four we've had for the past few years. Only it will be a bit more interesting in that the games will be an unknown like bowls were years ago. And quite frankly the best thing to do this year for the CFP is to take 5 champs and 1 at large and give the #1 and #2 seeds a bye.
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(07-31-2020 12:30 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  With conference only schedules, RPI is meaningless.

It's always been meaningless. It's a computer's best guess. Whoopee! And SOS will be self serving as well for the SEC and Big 10. But what's different about that? Nada! So in the end it will be the 4 teams with the better records that also draw tons of eyes to their games. Bank on it!

There is no perfect computer rankings system and never will be with every team playing 12-15 games. But without non-conference games you have to use information from previous seasons with respect to winning which conference carries the most weight. That's what would be different this year.

If we were to have a CFP and it's not obvious which of the P5 champs are the 4 best the Pac-12 and any ACC champ (if it isn't somehow Clemson) are going to be at a disadvantage.

In other words, it has zero validity.

Hogwash! If the Big 10 champ, SEC champ, and Big 12 champ are all included and it comes down to the ACC champ over the PAC champ (unless one is clearly undefeated which I doubt any of them will be) then we have essentially the same final four we've had for the past few years. Only it will be a bit more interesting in that the games will be an unknown like bowls were years ago. And quite frankly the best thing to do this year for the CFP is to take 5 champs and 1 at large and give the #1 and #2 seeds a bye.

The RPI has zero validity if they play no common opponents. Might as well compare Italian basketball teams to Australian.
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(07-31-2020 12:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 12:30 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's always been meaningless. It's a computer's best guess. Whoopee! And SOS will be self serving as well for the SEC and Big 10. But what's different about that? Nada! So in the end it will be the 4 teams with the better records that also draw tons of eyes to their games. Bank on it!

There is no perfect computer rankings system and never will be with every team playing 12-15 games. But without non-conference games you have to use information from previous seasons with respect to winning which conference carries the most weight. That's what would be different this year.

If we were to have a CFP and it's not obvious which of the P5 champs are the 4 best the Pac-12 and any ACC champ (if it isn't somehow Clemson) are going to be at a disadvantage.

In other words, it has zero validity.

Hogwash! If the Big 10 champ, SEC champ, and Big 12 champ are all included and it comes down to the ACC champ over the PAC champ (unless one is clearly undefeated which I doubt any of them will be) then we have essentially the same final four we've had for the past few years. Only it will be a bit more interesting in that the games will be an unknown like bowls were years ago. And quite frankly the best thing to do this year for the CFP is to take 5 champs and 1 at large and give the #1 and #2 seeds a bye.

The RPI has zero validity if they play no common opponents. Might as well compare Italian basketball teams to Australian.

You don't need an RPI if you take the champions Bullet. That's the whole point of championships now isn't it? So for this year failing comparisons you take all 5 champs and select a best at large seed the teams (eye test I guess) and let them play it off. Whoever wins will be the champion of the champions. It's pretty simple.

Quite frankly that's how it should be anyway only with 4 conferences instead of 5.
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Wait a second......

https://theclemsoninsider.com/2020/07/30...lina-game/


Quote:“I’m very disappointed,” said Mike Burns, South Carolina Representative for District 17. “After going through all we are going through… And now to find out that the Southeastern Conference is not wanting to allow these rivalry games is very disheartening.”


Quote:“I’m very disappointed,” said Mike Burns, South Carolina Representative for District 17. “After going through all we are going through… And now to find out that the Southeastern Conference is not wanting to allow these rivalry games is very disheartening.”
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(07-30-2020 03:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  That’s a jerk move to L’ville, Florida St, Georgia Tech and Clemson.

Fixed it. Shame on us (UGa) for not standing with South Carolina on this one. Yes, the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party is huge and so is the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry, but you can't replace Clean, Old-fashioned Hate. I'll have to put asterisk by this season. The season's not right if we don't play Tech, IMO. Yeah, Tech stinks this year, but give 'em a shot anyway. I think UF's AD told us to vote for this, and that is why we didn't vote with SC like we should have.
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Well a congressman got a gripe on the record. So effing what. The government is not doing squat about tens of thousands of broken contracts due to covid-19. College football games are not special to the eyes of the court.

And what's the point of the out of conference rivalry games this year anyway? There will not be crowds (I do not think it's likely CFB will be allowed to have fans in the stands when MLB, NBA, NHL and NFL can't have them), there will not be alumni events, and there will not even be certain dates, so much is flexible. Never mind that the SEC and ACC almost certainly have different protocols for covid-19.

As for the playoff and bowl games, forget it. Schools are going to send everyone home early, and they will not be back on campus. There wont be crowds or parades, so the Bowl games would be insolvent, even if anyone wanted to play.

Winning your conference, if they get a full season in, is all you can hope for. There wont be a post season beyond the CCGs.
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(07-31-2020 01:27 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  That’s a jerk move to L’ville, Florida St, Georgia Tech and Clemson.

Fixed it. Shame on us (UGa) for not standing with South Carolina on this one. Yes, the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party is huge and so is the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry, but you can't replace Clean, Old-fashioned Hate. I'll have to put asterisk by this season. The season's not right if we don't play Tech, IMO. Yeah, Tech stinks this year, but give 'em a shot anyway. I think UF's AD told us to vote for this, and that is why we didn't vote with SC like we should have.

Yeah, it’s all very, very disappointing. This what happens when you have a bunch of suits and TV executives making decisions
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(07-30-2020 06:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:02 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 05:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:51 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Seriously, seriously mad at the leadership right now - unless this is just some sort of silly pretense to cancelling the entire season it's hard to see how this makes sense.

Personally, if we can't even play Clemson there isn't much point to even having as season.


Understood. I feel the same way about Southern Cal (I never call them "USC").

Thanks Terry. I might have to be a bandwagon ND fan this year haha

Blame the PAC and Big 10 and then the ACC. The PAC set the tone and the Big 10 followed. When the ACC went to 10 the SEC had no choice but to do the same. The leadership you need to blame is that of ESPN and the ACC.

But look at it like the social experiment it is. If 5 home SEC games doesn't draw as well or better than what you had scheduled with 2 buy games what have you lost?

Also Gamecock if it isn't worth having the Season if you don't play Clemson then you don't really belong in the SEC. I would think by now that games with Tennessee, Florida and Georgia should be worth a season.

JR, the Clemson game is the biggest game of the year and it’s not close. No one is going to give a damn or be excited about playing Arkansas or Auburn.

Frankly, at this point I’m done with the SEC and all of their empty talk. Clearly the league does not care about South Carolina or it’s fans.
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(07-31-2020 12:41 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Wait a second......

https://theclemsoninsider.com/2020/07/30...lina-game/


Quote:“I’m very disappointed,” said Mike Burns, South Carolina Representative for District 17. “After going through all we are going through… And now to find out that the Southeastern Conference is not wanting to allow these rivalry games is very disheartening.”


Quote:“I’m very disappointed,” said Mike Burns, South Carolina Representative for District 17. “After going through all we are going through… And now to find out that the Southeastern Conference is not wanting to allow these rivalry games is very disheartening.”

We should’ve made it a law several years ago
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(07-31-2020 06:49 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:02 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 05:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 03:51 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Seriously, seriously mad at the leadership right now - unless this is just some sort of silly pretense to cancelling the entire season it's hard to see how this makes sense.

Personally, if we can't even play Clemson there isn't much point to even having as season.


Understood. I feel the same way about Southern Cal (I never call them "USC").

Thanks Terry. I might have to be a bandwagon ND fan this year haha

Blame the PAC and Big 10 and then the ACC. The PAC set the tone and the Big 10 followed. When the ACC went to 10 the SEC had no choice but to do the same. The leadership you need to blame is that of ESPN and the ACC.

But look at it like the social experiment it is. If 5 home SEC games doesn't draw as well or better than what you had scheduled with 2 buy games what have you lost?

Also Gamecock if it isn't worth having the Season if you don't play Clemson then you don't really belong in the SEC. I would think by now that games with Tennessee, Florida and Georgia should be worth a season.

JR, the Clemson game is the biggest game of the year and it’s not close. No one is going to give a damn or be excited about playing Arkansas or Auburn.

Frankly, at this point I’m done with the SEC and all of their empty talk. Clearly the league does not care about South Carolina or it’s fans.

They never have.
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(07-31-2020 07:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 06:49 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 06:02 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 05:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Understood. I feel the same way about Southern Cal (I never call them "USC").

Thanks Terry. I might have to be a bandwagon ND fan this year haha

Blame the PAC and Big 10 and then the ACC. The PAC set the tone and the Big 10 followed. When the ACC went to 10 the SEC had no choice but to do the same. The leadership you need to blame is that of ESPN and the ACC.

But look at it like the social experiment it is. If 5 home SEC games doesn't draw as well or better than what you had scheduled with 2 buy games what have you lost?

Also Gamecock if it isn't worth having the Season if you don't play Clemson then you don't really belong in the SEC. I would think by now that games with Tennessee, Florida and Georgia should be worth a season.

JR, the Clemson game is the biggest game of the year and it’s not close. No one is going to give a damn or be excited about playing Arkansas or Auburn.

Frankly, at this point I’m done with the SEC and all of their empty talk. Clearly the league does not care about South Carolina or it’s fans.

They never have.
The chickens need to come home to roost.05-stirthepot

Believe it or not I thought about your theory yesterday actually and I would actually prefer a one season only ND style arrangement to whatever the SEC is doing this year
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