Post 201 in welcoming ND. Nice.big welcome

(08-06-2020 04:58 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-04-2020 08:06 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-04-2020 07:45 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-04-2020 07:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-04-2020 01:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  When do the Irish get to Wegman's and Harris Teeter and Publix?

Ha so true...Kroger doesn't count

Well.............Kroger now owns Harris Teeter.

Harris Teeter don't count either...haven't been in one in probably 5-6 years.

Wegmans #1 HEB #2 Publix #3

They just built a Wegmans here, another case of something that draws ugly Yankee women like horse **** draws flies. The milling around is loathsome. Worst of all obceit's mostly refugees from MTV's Jersery Shore, about 20 years after they needed to get out of the sun.

Pretty much hit all the stereotypes... probably need to rail against Jews too since you covered the Italians.

Hey you forgot the pasty white English, Dutch, Germans, Polish and Irish from Upstate NY with their nasty accents.

BTW, just giving you some half-hearted crap...I kinda chuckled at your take. But it could rub some folks the wrong way.

2020 Preseason Coaches Poll

1. Clemson
10. Notre Dame
19. North Carolina
22. Cincinnati
25. Virginia Tech

**We're pretty good in hoops too.

(08-03-2020 09:40 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 06:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(08-01-2020 10:49 AM)Statefan Wrote:  I like Cincy. It's a school with middle of the ACC quality metrics. The problem is that Cincy is eclipsed in it's home market by Ohio State, Kentucky, and Indiana.

So in addition to being eclipsed by OSU, UK, and Indiana in the home market, Louisville, Purdue, and ND overlap as well.

I have lived in Cincinnati for over a decade now as a Louisville fan. The only school that possibly "eclipses" UC in Cincinnati is OSU, but I think even that is questionable if that's the word you want to use. Granted there are a lot of Buckeye fans, but I'm not sure they have more. I'd say UC has a plurality, with smaller but still substantial portions of the pie for OSU and UK to a lesser degree.

I'd say UK eclipses UC on the northern KY side of the river, and that's certainly part of the counting stats for metro TV numbers, but the population on the NKY side doesn't come close to the Ohio side. There is a steep steep decline when it comes to Cayut fans north of the river.

IU football? Does that even exist in the Cincy metro? No one here cares about IU football.

If ND joins in football, I'd expect the ACC to hold at 15 with no divisions.

+1

I think the ACC would wait and see if something happens to Big 12.

(08-06-2020 10:49 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 09:40 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 06:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(08-01-2020 10:49 AM)Statefan Wrote:  I like Cincy. It's a school with middle of the ACC quality metrics. The problem is that Cincy is eclipsed in it's home market by Ohio State, Kentucky, and Indiana.

So in addition to being eclipsed by OSU, UK, and Indiana in the home market, Louisville, Purdue, and ND overlap as well.

I have lived in Cincinnati for over a decade now as a Louisville fan. The only school that possibly "eclipses" UC in Cincinnati is OSU, but I think even that is questionable if that's the word you want to use. Granted there are a lot of Buckeye fans, but I'm not sure they have more. I'd say UC has a plurality, with smaller but still substantial portions of the pie for OSU and UK to a lesser degree.

I'd say UK eclipses UC on the northern KY side of the river, and that's certainly part of the counting stats for metro TV numbers, but the population on the NKY side doesn't come close to the Ohio side. There is a steep steep decline when it comes to Cayut fans north of the river.

IU football? Does that even exist in the Cincy metro? No one here cares about IU football.

If ND joins in football, I'd expect the ACC to hold at 15 with no divisions.

+1

I think the ACC would wait and see if something happens to Big 12.

If Notre Dame joins the ACC in full something will be happening with the Big 12. Texas and Oklahoma won't sit back in an iffy situation any longer. And, ESPN will be trying to sew up total control of Texas and Kansas and possibly Oklahoma.

(08-03-2020 09:40 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-03-2020 06:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(08-01-2020 10:49 AM)Statefan Wrote:  I like Cincy. It's a school with middle of the ACC quality metrics. The problem is that Cincy is eclipsed in it's home market by Ohio State, Kentucky, and Indiana.

So in addition to being eclipsed by OSU, UK, and Indiana in the home market, Louisville, Purdue, and ND overlap as well.

I have lived in Cincinnati for over a decade now as a Louisville fan. The only school that possibly "eclipses" UC in Cincinnati is OSU, but I think even that is questionable if that's the word you want to use. Granted there are a lot of Buckeye fans, but I'm not sure they have more. I'd say UC has a plurality, with smaller but still substantial portions of the pie for OSU and UK to a lesser degree.

I'd say UK eclipses UC on the northern KY side of the river, and that's certainly part of the counting stats for metro TV numbers, but the population on the NKY side doesn't come close to the Ohio side. There is a steep steep decline when it comes to Cayut fans north of the river.

IU football? Does that even exist in the Cincy metro? No one here cares about IU football.

If ND joins in football, I'd expect the ACC to hold at 15 with no divisions.

If 15 works with no divisions, then 13 (or 11) would work just as well.
Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado return home?

You are not going to keep enough schools happy within 16 team conferences to allow for 2 8 school divisions.

Divisionless or 3-4 divisions would be needed to increase happiness.

The structural question is do you add a semifinal league championship games.

If you can win a division title against 4-5 division mates, then play a semi-final and final that creates a lot of important games.

If you had three divisions last year in the ACC, you would have ended up with Clemson, ND, and UVa as division winners and VT as a wild card. ND/UVa and Clemson/VT would probably be two very profitable games.

If the way to the ACC title is through a 4 school playoff, then you don't have to have 9-10 conference games, you can get by on 8-9

(08-07-2020 02:14 PM)Statefan Wrote:  You are not going to keep enough schools happy within 16 team conferences to allow for 2 8 school divisions.

Divisionless or 3-4 divisions would be needed to increase happiness.

The structural question is do you add a semifinal league championship games.

If you can win a division title against 4-5 division mates, then play a semi-final and final that creates a lot of important games.

If you had three divisions last year in the ACC, you would have ended up with Clemson, ND, and UVa as division winners and VT as a wild card. ND/UVa and Clemson/VT would probably be two very profitable games.

If the way to the ACC title is through a 4 school playoff, then you don't have to have 9-10 conference games, you can get by on 8-9

I posted this early in this thread. Going to 16 with pods gives you an emphasis on rivalry games and enables you to play the entire conference in 4 years instead of 6 with the current setup. FSU & Clemson are the leagues 2 top football brands so you need to have them in different pods. And as I stated before the addition of UCF gives the rest of the league a game in Florida 3 out of 4 years increasing exposure to Florida recruits.

Southern Pod: FSU, Miami, GT, UCF
Mid Atlantic Pod: Clemson, Virginia, VT, Louisville
Tobacco Row: Duke, UNC, NC State, WF
Northeast Pod: BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Cincinnati
*Notre Dame 6 game scheduling agreement

9 conference games: 3 in your pod, 1 home & 1 away from each of the other 3 pods.
2 pod winners with the best records go to the CCG.

Having a semi-final could potentially be a good payday from ESPN but it's also another game that could trip up a team that would be going to the playoff and another game risking injury.

(08-07-2020 03:14 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 02:14 PM)Statefan Wrote:  You are not going to keep enough schools happy within 16 team conferences to allow for 2 8 school divisions.

Divisionless or 3-4 divisions would be needed to increase happiness.

The structural question is do you add a semifinal league championship games.

If you can win a division title against 4-5 division mates, then play a semi-final and final that creates a lot of important games.

If you had three divisions last year in the ACC, you would have ended up with Clemson, ND, and UVa as division winners and VT as a wild card. ND/UVa and Clemson/VT would probably be two very profitable games.

If the way to the ACC title is through a 4 school playoff, then you don't have to have 9-10 conference games, you can get by on 8-9

I posted this early in this thread. Going to 16 with pods gives you an emphasis on rivalry games and enables you to play the entire conference in 4 years instead of 6 with the current setup. FSU & Clemson are the leagues 2 top football brands so you need to have them in different pods. And as I stated before the addition of UCF gives the rest of the league a game in Florida 3 out of 4 years increasing exposure to Florida recruits.

Southern Pod: FSU, Miami, GT, UCF
Mid Atlantic Pod: Clemson, Virginia, VT, Louisville
Tobacco Row: Duke, UNC, NC State, WF
Northeast Pod: BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Cincinnati
*Notre Dame 6 game scheduling agreement

9 conference games: 3 in your pod, 1 home & 1 away from each of the other 3 pods.
2 pod winners with the best records go to the CCG.

Having a semi-final could potentially be a good payday from ESPN but it's also another game that could trip up a team that would be going to the playoff and another game risking injury.

This is the same reason why I'm indifferent about the ACCCG. If I had to decide between divisionless, but no ACCCG or 2 divisions, but with an ACCCG, I'd always pick divisionless with its creation of more compelling matches, plus the extra bye week that can be inserted into the season.

(08-07-2020 02:14 PM)Statefan Wrote:  You are not going to keep enough schools happy within 16 team conferences to allow for 2 8 school divisions.

Divisionless or 3-4 divisions would be needed to increase happiness.

The structural question is do you add a semifinal league championship games.

If you can win a division title against 4-5 division mates, then play a semi-final and final that creates a lot of important games.

If you had three divisions last year in the ACC, you would have ended up with Clemson, ND, and UVa as division winners and VT as a wild card. ND/UVa and Clemson/VT would probably be two very profitable games.

If the way to the ACC title is through a 4 school playoff, then you don't have to have 9-10 conference games, you can get by on 8-9

In the long run, 12 is probably the best. 16 is too many and 14 is just plain awkward.
3 X 4 or 4 X 3 would keep any team happy in a conference.
The problem is how to shift two schools each out of the ACC, B1G and SEC into a situation where they would be happy and a "fit".
Of course the problem is what it's always been. The right schools are in the wrong place and in insufficient numbers.

(08-07-2020 02:14 PM)Statefan Wrote:  You are not going to keep enough schools happy within 16 team conferences to allow for 2 8 school divisions.

Divisionless or 3-4 divisions would be needed to increase happiness.

The structural question is do you add a semifinal league championship games.

If you can win a division title against 4-5 division mates, then play a semi-final and final that creates a lot of important games.

If you had three divisions last year in the ACC, you would have ended up with Clemson, ND, and UVa as division winners and VT as a wild card. ND/UVa and Clemson/VT would probably be two very profitable games.

If the way to the ACC title is through a 4 school playoff, then you don't have to have 9-10 conference games, you can get by on 8-9

I was not keen on a three pod model but changed the mind after seeing the ACC is effectively going with uneven three pods for this year.

IF ND joins the ACC permanently AND the Big XII explodes, the below setup may work.

North: ND, BC, SU, Pitt, UL + one of the following: Cincy, Navy, UConn or WVU
Middle: UVA, VT, UNC, Duke, Wake, NCSU
South: Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami + two of the following: UT, OU, TCU, SMU, or Houston

8 confernece games and everyone play everyone at least once in four years

(08-07-2020 03:14 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  

(08-07-2020 02:14 PM)Statefan Wrote:  You are not going to keep enough schools happy within 16 team conferences to allow for 2 8 school divisions.

Divisionless or 3-4 divisions would be needed to increase happiness.

The structural question is do you add a semifinal league championship games.

If you can win a division title against 4-5 division mates, then play a semi-final and final that creates a lot of important games.

If you had three divisions last year in the ACC, you would have ended up with Clemson, ND, and UVa as division winners and VT as a wild card. ND/UVa and Clemson/VT would probably be two very profitable games.

If the way to the ACC title is through a 4 school playoff, then you don't have to have 9-10 conference games, you can get by on 8-9

I posted this early in this thread. Going to 16 with pods gives you an emphasis on rivalry games and enables you to play the entire conference in 4 years instead of 6 with the current setup. FSU & Clemson are the leagues 2 top football brands so you need to have them in different pods. And as I stated before the addition of UCF gives the rest of the league a game in Florida 3 out of 4 years increasing exposure to Florida recruits.

Southern Pod: FSU, Miami, GT, UCF
Mid Atlantic Pod: Clemson, Virginia, VT, Louisville
Tobacco Row: Duke, UNC, NC State, WF
Northeast Pod: BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Cincinnati
*Notre Dame 6 game scheduling agreement

9 conference games: 3 in your pod, 1 home & 1 away from each of the other 3 pods.
2 pod winners with the best records go to the CCG.

Having a semi-final could potentially be a good payday from ESPN but it's also another game that could trip up a team that would be going to the playoff and another game risking injury.

There is zero chance the ACC invites Cincinnati and UCF as 15 and 16. Maybe as 11 and 12 or 13 and 14 if there are defections.