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(08-02-2020 11:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  
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(08-02-2020 10:59 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Also throw in the fact that the SEC doesn’t do public city schools...

The University of Kentucky, the University of Tennessee, the University of South Carolina, and LSU say, “Hold my beer.”

Is that an inside joke? I don't get it.

I think he’s trying to somehow say that being located in places like Lexington and Knoxville makes those institutions urban commuter schools

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(08-02-2020 11:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  
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(08-02-2020 10:59 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Also throw in the fact that the SEC doesn’t do public city schools...

The University of Kentucky, the University of Tennessee, the University of South Carolina, and LSU say, “Hold my beer.”

Is that an inside joke? I don't get it.

UK, UT, USC, and LSU are SEC public and in Cities.

However now that I re-read it, I suppose he meant that the SEC doesn’t do public schools named for the city in which they are located. Lol.
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(08-02-2020 12:55 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 11:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  
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(08-02-2020 10:59 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Also throw in the fact that the SEC doesn’t do public city schools...

The University of Kentucky, the University of Tennessee, the University of South Carolina, and LSU say, “Hold my beer.”

Is that an inside joke? I don't get it.

UK, UT, USC, and LSU are SEC public and in Cities.

However now that I re-read it, I suppose he meant that the SEC doesn’t do public schools named for the city in which they are located. Lol.

Oh you mean like Auburn?
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(08-02-2020 12:55 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 11:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 11:41 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 10:59 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Also throw in the fact that the SEC doesn’t do public city schools...

The University of Kentucky, the University of Tennessee, the University of South Carolina, and LSU say, “Hold my beer.”

Is that an inside joke? I don't get it.

UK, UT, USC, and LSU are SEC public and in Cities.

However now that I re-read it, I suppose he meant that the SEC doesn’t do public schools named for the city in which they are located. Lol.

Every SEC public school is in a city. Even Oxford and Starkville are cities. They're not as populous as Lexington or Knoxville but they're still cities.
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(08-02-2020 01:32 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
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(08-02-2020 11:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 11:41 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 10:59 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Also throw in the fact that the SEC doesn’t do public city schools...

The University of Kentucky, the University of Tennessee, the University of South Carolina, and LSU say, “Hold my beer.”

Is that an inside joke? I don't get it.

UK, UT, USC, and LSU are SEC public and in Cities.

However now that I re-read it, I suppose he meant that the SEC doesn’t do public schools named for the city in which they are located. Lol.

Every SEC public school is in a city. Even Oxford and Starkville are cities. They're not as populous as Lexington or Knoxville but they're still cities.

Right, but I think he meant schools like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Charlotte which are named after the city they are in. Your example of Auburn discounts his theory.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(08-02-2020 01:43 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 01:32 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 12:55 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 11:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 11:41 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The University of Kentucky, the University of Tennessee, the University of South Carolina, and LSU say, “Hold my beer.”

Is that an inside joke? I don't get it.

UK, UT, USC, and LSU are SEC public and in Cities.

However now that I re-read it, I suppose he meant that the SEC doesn’t do public schools named for the city in which they are located. Lol.

Every SEC public school is in a city. Even Oxford and Starkville are cities. They're not as populous as Lexington or Knoxville but they're still cities.

Right, but I think he meant schools like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Charlotte which are named after the city they are in. Your example of Auburn discounts his theory.

No. You just don't get the concept of regional commuter schools. The SEC schools draw from throughout their states and none of them are anything like a commuter school. Houston, Memphis, Charlotte and Cincinnati all draw from their region of the state and have big commuter components. All were at one time overwhelming commuter schools.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(08-02-2020 01:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 01:43 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 01:32 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 12:55 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 11:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  Is that an inside joke? I don't get it.

UK, UT, USC, and LSU are SEC public and in Cities.

However now that I re-read it, I suppose he meant that the SEC doesn’t do public schools named for the city in which they are located. Lol.

Every SEC public school is in a city. Even Oxford and Starkville are cities. They're not as populous as Lexington or Knoxville but they're still cities.

Right, but I think he meant schools like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Charlotte which are named after the city they are in. Your example of Auburn discounts his theory.

No. You just don't get the concept of regional commuter schools. The SEC schools draw from throughout their states and none of them are anything like a commuter school. Houston, Memphis, Charlotte and Cincinnati all draw from their region of the state and have big commuter components. All were at one time overwhelming commuter schools.

Dear God, I know perfectly what they are. Mountain 10 said the SEC doesn’t do public city schools. I then said UK, UT, LSU, and USC are in populous cities, but then I corrected myself when I realized that he meant they do not take schools named after the cities that they are in (the exception being Auburn).
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(08-02-2020 01:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(08-02-2020 01:32 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 12:55 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 11:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  Is that an inside joke? I don't get it.

UK, UT, USC, and LSU are SEC public and in Cities.

However now that I re-read it, I suppose he meant that the SEC doesn’t do public schools named for the city in which they are located. Lol.

Every SEC public school is in a city. Even Oxford and Starkville are cities. They're not as populous as Lexington or Knoxville but they're still cities.

Right, but I think he meant schools like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Charlotte which are named after the city they are in. Your example of Auburn discounts his theory.

No. You just don't get the concept of regional commuter schools. The SEC schools draw from throughout their states and none of them are anything like a commuter school. Houston, Memphis, Charlotte and Cincinnati all draw from their region of the state and have big commuter components. All were at one time overwhelming commuter schools.

This is 100 percent correct.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
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(07-31-2020 11:50 AM)YNot Wrote:  The somewhat more realistic expansion draft idea would be the formation of a new best-of-the-rest conference from the non-P5 candidates. It's a draft in the sense that you're pulling teams away from their existing situations, but it would have only a single drafter.

It would likely involve the best of the AAC, MWC and the independents.

Even though more realistic, it didn't ultimately come to fruition in the 2011-2012 realignment and it didn't happen in the last year when the AAC, MWC, and BYU were all negotiating new media deals...so, it will likely never happen. The 2025 realignment could present another opportunity. Or, a P5 break away could allow a limited set of callups to come along.

It would be interesting to see how the list might differ today from those schools that were part of and invited to the Big East and then the AAC, in the 2011-2013 realignment timeframe. I believe this is the order:

UConn, Cincinnati, USF
Temple, Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF
BYU, Navy, Air Force, Boise State, San Diego State
ECU, Tulane, Tulsa
[also rumored that Fresno State and UNLV were approached]


My take is that Army would now be on the list somewhere and UConn's value would fall - although they would still be on the short list for consideration.

Any other MWC, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt or independent schools that would get an invite ahead of anyone on the above list?
Tulsa and ECU would likely be left out.

Tulsa’s academics and endowment would surely keep them in, no?
Not sure if that was a joke, but I’m gonna assume it wasn’t lol. Tulsa has no fanbase, small market, no growth potential, tiny enrollment, poor on the field results, etc. They wouldn’t be included.

The real problem with Tulane is that they have de-emphasized football twice already. Even if you like them, and like NO the ABILITY to make that decision says something about the nature of the institution. LSU, PSU, Ohio State, Clemson, or VT are as likely to end their Graduate School as to drop football. (Hyperbole)

Duke plays football because the ACC refused to allow them to drop football and play all other sports - but Duke has not put its heart into football since 1961.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(08-02-2020 01:32 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 12:55 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 11:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 11:41 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 10:59 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Also throw in the fact that the SEC doesn’t do public city schools...

The University of Kentucky, the University of Tennessee, the University of South Carolina, and LSU say, “Hold my beer.”

Is that an inside joke? I don't get it.

UK, UT, USC, and LSU are SEC public and in Cities.

However now that I re-read it, I suppose he meant that the SEC doesn’t do public schools named for the city in which they are located. Lol.

Every SEC public school is in a city. Even Oxford and Starkville are cities. They're not as populous as Lexington or Knoxville but they're still cities.

Some schools are in towns.

Chapel Hill is not a "City" as most understand the broad definition of City. Blacksburg is not a City, nor is Clemson, nor is Charlottesville.

Raleigh, Durham, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Tallahassee, etc. are cities. Now unless Starkville and Oxford have grown, they are still "towns".

I used to teach urban studies at VT. The way most people understand a city to be, I find that you are not a city unless you have:

1. An active red light/prostitution business
2. An underdeveloped urban slum
3. Periodic shootings from drug folks seeking to maintain territory and clients
4. An incredibly undesirable place to live near a combinations of dumps, heavy industry, sewage treatment, rendering, chemicals, etc.

That sounds jaded. But those types of industries are predicated in part on population density and the economic gravity of the area to draw in activity from a surrounding hinterland. That does not mean you can't score dope in Clemson, or find an escort to come to Charlottesville or Blacksburg - just that those things do not exist at a level that can be supported by the locals.
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Just for fun and giggles here are my listings of the most "urban" cities to the least urban "towns" see if you agree or disagree

SEC

1. Nashville
2. Columbia SC
3. Columbia Mizzou
4. Fayetteville
5. Gainsville
6. Baton Rouge
7. Knoxville
8. College Station
9. Lexington
10. Athens
11. Tuscolousa (have not been there in a decade)
12. Oxford
13. Starkville
14. Auburn

Compared to the ACC, the Schools are in the "boonies"

1. Miami
2. Boston
3. Atlanta
4. Pittsburgh
5. Raleigh
6. Louisville
7. Tallahassee
8. Syracuse
9. Durham
10. Winston-Salem
11. Charlottesville
12. Chapel Hill
13. Clemson
14. Blacksburg

Technically Chapel Hill/Durham/Raleigh are in the same Metro - they are, but they are distinct places. Technically Chestnut Hill is a suburb of Boston but you have to park your car in Boston and ride the train to the Alumni Stadium if you are visiting.

The Big 10 goes a follows:

1. Chicago (Evansville)
2. DC (College Park)
3. Minneapolis
4. Columbus
5. Lansing
6. Madison
7. Brunswick
8. Champagne
9. Iowa City
10. Bloomington
11. West Lafayette
12. Ann Arbor
12. Lincoln
13. Happy Valley

Columbus Ohio is about as big as you get before your college football goes to hell in a handbasket. Of course what this list really shows is the interaction between college and pro football that would require about 30 more pages to tease out and put into a thesis.

College football spending is part of a basket of goods that exists in and outside the urban area but competes with other urban spending on discretionary items.
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(07-30-2020 12:38 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 08:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
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(07-29-2020 03:54 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  To offense to the Bearcats, but why would the Big Ten choose Cincy with all of them available? A Texas or Florida School would be more valuable.

Well first of all they wouldn’t, but the premise of Mandel’s article is he is throwing out throw out a lot of factors that get considered and based it on geography and on the field performance.

I would buy that more if the next pick wasn't UCF to the Big 12. Cincy doesn't add that much to a conference that is already in Ohio and Indiana, and UC doesn't have much reach into Kentucky

I realize Cincinnati isn’t well respected on this board, but we check more boxes across the board than nearly everyone outside the P5. We haven’t had the back to back undefeated seasons of UCF, but our FB has been very good for a while now. We are good at hoops. We have brand strength. We have solid academics and are heavy in research. We reside in a large market in a big state and Ohio is a football crazed market. Our TV ratings are solid.

Most of the other candidates have at least one box unchecked, whether it be academics, location, duplication of markets/not expanding footprint, attendance issues, mediocre to bad hoops, political/religious issues, etc.

I respect Cincy. Your academic profile is right there with VT, NC State, Miami, etc., one of the half-dozen of so waiting to take Kansas' and Mizzou's spot in the AAU.

Your problem is that you allowed Louisville to get 7-8 years ahead of you in football and then the merry go round stopped.

Your geography is a problem as well - your market is overlapped by SEC, B10, and ACC schools UK, Louisville, OSU, Indiana, etc. If Cincy were located in Dayton or Cleveland you would be in the ACC.

I'm sorry, but in my 7 years in Cincy I maybe ran into single digit amounts of Louisville and Indiana fans. Fanbase size in Cincinnati would go UC>OSU>then ND and UK>Louisville/Indiana. ND might edge out UK. Hard to really judge. I'm just saying that Indiana and Louisville have a very small presence in Cincinnati
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(08-02-2020 01:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(08-02-2020 11:58 AM)ken d Wrote:  Is that an inside joke? I don't get it.

UK, UT, USC, and LSU are SEC public and in Cities.

However now that I re-read it, I suppose he meant that the SEC doesn’t do public schools named for the city in which they are located. Lol.

Every SEC public school is in a city. Even Oxford and Starkville are cities. They're not as populous as Lexington or Knoxville but they're still cities.

Right, but I think he meant schools like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Charlotte which are named after the city they are in. Your example of Auburn discounts his theory.

No. You just don't get the concept of regional commuter schools. The SEC schools draw from throughout their states and none of them are anything like a commuter school. Houston, Memphis, Charlotte and Cincinnati all draw from their region of the state and have big commuter components. All were at one time overwhelming commuter schools.

Cincinnati isn't a commuter school. They do have a lots of students from the surrounding area, true, but they draw students from all over the state. I think I met more Clevelanders than I did Cincinnati natives in my time at UC.
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(08-03-2020 07:50 AM)Cattidude Wrote:  
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(08-02-2020 01:32 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(08-02-2020 12:55 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  UK, UT, USC, and LSU are SEC public and in Cities.

However now that I re-read it, I suppose he meant that the SEC doesn’t do public schools named for the city in which they are located. Lol.

Every SEC public school is in a city. Even Oxford and Starkville are cities. They're not as populous as Lexington or Knoxville but they're still cities.

Right, but I think he meant schools like Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Charlotte which are named after the city they are in. Your example of Auburn discounts his theory.

No. You just don't get the concept of regional commuter schools. The SEC schools draw from throughout their states and none of them are anything like a commuter school. Houston, Memphis, Charlotte and Cincinnati all draw from their region of the state and have big commuter components. All were at one time overwhelming commuter schools.

Cincinnati isn't a commuter school. They do have a lots of students from the surrounding area, true, but they draw students from all over the state. I think I met more Clevelanders than I did Cincinnati natives in my time at UC.

Correct. At one time it could have been called that, but in reality for the past 20 years most of our students either live on campus or in the Clifton Heights, University Heights, Corryville and Avondale neighborhoods surrounding campus. Even for the kids that grew up in Greater Cincinnati, it is easier to go to class living in an apartment/house in one of those neighborhoods, than driving 40 minutes everyday and finding a parking spot in/around campus from West Chester/Mason.
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(08-02-2020 05:26 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Just for fun and giggles here are my listings of the most "urban" cities to the least urban "towns" see if you agree or disagree

SEC

1. Nashville
2. Columbia SC
3. Columbia Mizzou
4. Fayetteville
5. Gainsville
6. Baton Rouge
7. Knoxville
8. College Station
9. Lexington
10. Athens
11. Tuscolousa (have not been there in a decade)
12. Oxford
13. Starkville
14. Auburn

Compared to the ACC, the Schools are in the "boonies"

1. Miami
2. Boston
3. Atlanta
4. Pittsburgh
5. Raleigh
6. Louisville
7. Tallahassee
8. Syracuse
9. Durham
10. Winston-Salem
11. Charlottesville
12. Chapel Hill
13. Clemson
14. Blacksburg

Technically Chapel Hill/Durham/Raleigh are in the same Metro - they are, but they are distinct places. Technically Chestnut Hill is a suburb of Boston but you have to park your car in Boston and ride the train to the Alumni Stadium if you are visiting.

The Big 10 goes a follows:

1. Chicago (Evansville)
2. DC (College Park)
3. Minneapolis
4. Columbus
5. Lansing
6. Madison
7. Brunswick
8. Champagne
9. Iowa City
10. Bloomington
11. West Lafayette
12. Ann Arbor
12. Lincoln
13. Happy Valley

Columbus Ohio is about as big as you get before your college football goes to hell in a handbasket. Of course what this list really shows is the interaction between college and pro football that would require about 30 more pages to tease out and put into a thesis.

College football spending is part of a basket of goods that exists in and outside the urban area but competes with other urban spending on discretionary items.


At quick glance, this looks accurate. Well done. However, I would have Lextington, Kentucky, ahead of Gainsville, Fayetteville, College Station, and Columbia, Missouri.

I realize I'm biased toward Nashville (given I live in the city), but ... Nashville in terms of "city things" (zoo, museums, high-rises, mixed-use buildings, symphony hall, people density, restaurants/bars, non-mainstream retail, outdoor events, urban parks, etc.) is like New York compared to the other cities on the SEC list.

Columbia, S.C., has Five Points (very cool) and the zoo is big time.

I feel Knoxville is rather underrated. It offers a very underrated craft beer scene and a safe and fairly vibrant downtown. The river setting is stellar.

Lexington has no major body of water but it is a very "orderly" city. For example, all the residential streets located within, say, three miles of downtown are curbed/sidewalked. The downtown is nice. I like Lexington.

I hear Fayetteville is very nice. Have yet to visit.

Bottom line: The SEC schools, collectively, are located in places of average appeal if you like urbanity.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(07-29-2020 12:40 PM)YNot Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/1959049/2020/07/...f-5-teams/

Hypothetical P5 expansion draft from among non-P5 schools:

ROUND 1
- Big Ten: Cincinnati
- Big 12: UCF
- SEC: SMU
- ACC: South Florida
- PAC 12: Boise State

ROUND 2
- PAC 12: San Diego State
- ACC: Appalachian State
- SEC: Memphis
- Big 12: BYU
- Big Ten:

Cincinnati would be a great pick for the ACC, B12 and a decent pick for the SEC however the Big 10 will NEVER pick a school which is not in the AAU. They have never done so and even Nebraska which currently is outside the AAU was in it when invited to the Big 10.

App State will not be chosen as it would make 5 schools in North Carolina and App is only an average school.
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(08-02-2020 05:26 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Just for fun and giggles here are my listings of the most "urban" cities to the least urban "towns" see if you agree or disagree

SEC

1. Nashville
2. Columbia SC
3. Columbia Mizzou
4. Fayetteville
5. Gainsville
6. Baton Rouge
7. Knoxville
8. College Station
9. Lexington
10. Athens
11. Tuscolousa (have not been there in a decade)
12. Oxford
13. Starkville
14. Auburn

Compared to the ACC, the Schools are in the "boonies"

1. Miami
2. Boston
3. Atlanta
4. Pittsburgh
5. Raleigh
6. Louisville
7. Tallahassee
8. Syracuse
9. Durham
10. Winston-Salem
11. Charlottesville
12. Chapel Hill
13. Clemson
14. Blacksburg

Technically Chapel Hill/Durham/Raleigh are in the same Metro - they are, but they are distinct places. Technically Chestnut Hill is a suburb of Boston but you have to park your car in Boston and ride the train to the Alumni Stadium if you are visiting.

The Big 10 goes a follows:

1. Chicago (Evansville)
2. DC (College Park)
3. Minneapolis
4. Columbus
5. Lansing
6. Madison
7. Brunswick
8. Champagne
9. Iowa City
10. Bloomington
11. West Lafayette
12. Ann Arbor
12. Lincoln
13. Happy Valley

Columbus Ohio is about as big as you get before your college football goes to hell in a handbasket. Of course what this list really shows is the interaction between college and pro football that would require about 30 more pages to tease out and put into a thesis.

College football spending is part of a basket of goods that exists in and outside the urban area but competes with other urban spending on discretionary items.

Knoxville would seem to top the SEC list with your criteria!

1. An active red light/prostitution business
2. An underdeveloped urban slum
3. Periodic shootings from drug folks seeking to maintain territory and clients
4. An incredibly undesirable place to live near a combinations of dumps, heavy industry, sewage treatment, rendering, chemicals, etc.


And seriously, Knoxville and Baton Rouge are the 2nd and 3rd biggest metros among the SEC cities. Columbia, MO and College Station are relative hick towns in size (although I've never been to Columbia).
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Bring BYU and Boise State to the Big XII, maybe Houston and UCF too
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(08-03-2020 12:21 PM)KState1111 Wrote:  Bring BYU and Boise State to the Big XII, maybe Houston and UCF too

The beauty of this expansion idea is that you bring inventory suited for both the 12pm ET as well as the 10pm ET kickoff timeslots. With 14 teams, the Big 12 would have sufficiently attractive weekly inventory for 1 or 2 weeknight games and Saturday games at 12pm, 3:30pm, 7/8 pm and 10pm.

That makes the move financially feasible.

With Houston, you ensure that legacy Big 12 schools still get plenty of games in the state of Texas, despite expansion.
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(08-03-2020 09:22 AM)Rob3338 Wrote:  App State will not be chosen as it would make 5 schools in North Carolina and App is only an average school.

We're just an average school, with an average life
We've classes from 9 to 5, hey hell, we pay the price
All we want is to be left alone, in our average home
But why do we always feel
Like we're in the Twilight Zone?
I always feel like somebody's watchin' me
And we have no privacy
I always feel like somebody's watchin' me
Is it just a dream?
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