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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(07-30-2020 09:42 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 09:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The expansion draft exercise shows exactly why there will be no "expansion" to the P5 from the G5, as NONE of the options looks appealing from a P5 view at all.

If any G5 end up in the P5 this decade, it will not be via "expansion", but rather as the result of "backfill" after a P5 is wounded by a raid from another P5. No P5 will willingly and voluntarily add any G5 schools.

Absolutely. If any of the P5's wanted a G5, there was nothing stopping them from taking them already. The Big 12 had plenty of chances to take UCF and/or USF, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, BYU, etc, but chose to stay at 10.

I tend to think that the B12 kicked the can last time on expansion to wait and see who rises and who falls out of the candidates that they narrowed it down to, all of whom were fairly level at the time.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(07-30-2020 12:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  
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(07-30-2020 10:01 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 09:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The expansion draft exercise shows exactly why there will be no "expansion" to the P5 from the G5, as NONE of the options looks appealing from a P5 view at all.

If any G5 end up in the P5 this decade, it will not be via "expansion", but rather as the result of "backfill" after a P5 is wounded by a raid from another P5. No P5 will willingly and voluntarily add any G5 schools.

Well I think this exercise is difficult because we are pigeon-holing 2 teams per conference. And obviously one team cannot be used twice. This is insinuating 10 G5 schools move up to the P5. When in reality there are maybe 6-8 MAXIMUM that are decent enough options to warrant such a move. This exercise falsely assumes the B1G, SEC, and ACC are all moving to 16 team conferences (with ND not being included), B12 back to 12 (well that makes sense), and Pac-12 moving to 14 (this isn't a crazy approach and if Boise could get their academics up, they could be one of those 2). The point being that most likely you wouldn't see all P5s increase by 2 members.

AT MOST:

B1G + 0
ACC + 0
SEC + 0
B12 + 4
PAC + 2

= 6 call ups. At most SIX teams would be able to get their golden tickets punched with the B12 being best positioned to add 2-4 teams. Until someone jumps to 16 team conferences I can't see it happening. With that said, the ACC has been trying to get Notre Dame as #15, so you would think if that ever came to fruition they would naturally go to 16. Even if the ACC did go to 16, would the B1G, SEC, etc. follow suit? I'm not so sure. In that scenario I could see the ACC adding a WVU, Cincinnati, Temple, Buffalo or UConn type for #16 and calling it a day.

Assuming 6 schools get called up (2 to PAC and 4 to XII), the question becomes who the conferences would want.

PAC would be in a tougher position but I think they’d consider 2 of the following: Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, and Houston.

The XII would probably consider 4 of: BYU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida, and South Florida.

My best guess:

PAC + Hawaii, UNLV
XII + Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida

I take it then that no way in a million years would the PAC ever consider Boise? You mentioned Hawaii as an option, I hadn't considered them, do you know if they fit in academically with the others? Is SDSU off the table or would they prefer UNLV maybe? I could also see the PAC grab Houston and maybe another Texas school to get into Texas (or maybe UNM to bridge the gap). PAC really has more options than maybe anyone else when you really think about it, but how good are any of those options?

As for B12 adding 4 (and no changes to other conferences), I am sticking with the four I've argued for inclusion and defended for years now... Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF.

Boise State's academics aren't even on the radar. It's too bad Boise can't switch its academics with University of Idaho (or that U of Idaho isn't in Boise), otherwise they'd top the PAC 12's short list.

San Diego State has good location, good athletics department and academics aren't a negative, except that the UC system (UCLA and Cal) won't agree to elevate a CSU school.

UNLV's location is good, but academics are an obstacle.

Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, and Wyoming are state flag ships with research, so that puts them on the radar. Hawaii brings some interesting market growth opportunities - the others don't bring much market value and require significant athletics department and facilities improvement.

I don't see the Pac considering Fresno St., but compared to the schools you mention, they have a strong athletic department and perhaps the best fan support.

You also don't mention Air Force and Colorado St. which were the only MWC schools on the Big 12 short list.
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(07-30-2020 05:08 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 04:42 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:43 PM)Statefan Wrote:  For the exercise to have any meaning you have to accept the unstated proposition that the P-5 is being threatened by some form of anti-trust and that is the stick being used to force 10 G5's being raised up to the P-5 level.

Let's face it - the exercise has no meaning, other than to give the sportswriter who wrote it something to write about and thus stay employed.

True, but playing along in the spirit of things - these 15 or so schools have the best political/academic/sports gravitas to force their way in:

Cincy, UCF, Houston, Navy, Army, USF, Tulane, UConn, Memphis, New Mexico, SDSU, Colorado State, UNLV, Air Force, Temple

I made the above list based on their football prowess, academics, research, basketball prowess, prior status, location, alumni base, and US Senators.

Any "additions" will be "politcal" in the broadest sense of the term.

You are leaving out Rice. They were actually under consideration by the Big 12-2.
Yeah, should replace UNLV and SDSU with Rice and SMU

Boone Pickens said his 2 choices for expansion would be SMU and Houston. I’d remove Temple/SDSU entirely and put in SMU and Rice.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(07-30-2020 05:36 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 05:08 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 04:42 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it - the exercise has no meaning, other than to give the sportswriter who wrote it something to write about and thus stay employed.

True, but playing along in the spirit of things - these 15 or so schools have the best political/academic/sports gravitas to force their way in:

Cincy, UCF, Houston, Navy, Army, USF, Tulane, UConn, Memphis, New Mexico, SDSU, Colorado State, UNLV, Air Force, Temple

I made the above list based on their football prowess, academics, research, basketball prowess, prior status, location, alumni base, and US Senators.

Any "additions" will be "politcal" in the broadest sense of the term.

You are leaving out Rice. They were actually under consideration by the Big 12-2.
Yeah, should replace UNLV and SDSU with Rice and SMU

Boone Pickens said his 2 choices for expansion would be SMU and Houston. I’d remove Temple/SDSU entirely and put in SMU and Rice.
Temple belongs with the other schools listed, UNLV doesn’t.
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App State has the highest academic standards in the nation. We wouldn’t even be in the expansion draft because all we will be joining the AFC South soon and replacing the Houston Texans.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(07-30-2020 09:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The expansion draft exercise shows exactly why there will be no "expansion" to the P5 from the G5, as NONE of the options looks appealing from a P5 view at all.

If any G5 end up in the P5 this decade, it will not be via "expansion", but rather as the result of "backfill" after a P5 is wounded by a raid from another P5. No P5 will willingly and voluntarily add any G5 schools.

I agree. What would be a more interesting exercise would be a P5 draft in which conferences pick in reverse order of their average annual revenue. In this draft, they can pick any school they want, except that the team they select has the option of not moving if they don't want to be in the conference that drafts them.

In that scenario, I would imagine the PAC would get first pick, but nobody they would want would agree to move, so they would remain at 12 teams. Knowing this, their best strategy would be to pick a school like Oklahoma or Texas to prevent them from going to the SEC or B1G.

Ultimately, I expect that these criteria would keep any expansion from happening, since it's unlikely that anyone would move from the SEC or B1G except to the other one. Maybe Missouri would consider going to the B1G, but I'm not sure the B1G would draft them.
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(07-29-2020 01:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The concept is ridiculous but then again so are the picks—SMU to the SEC in round 1? If they had to take a G5 from Texas, Houston would be the top pick.

I’d also take BYU over UCF if I was the Big 12.

Agreed.....the concept and teams are ridiculous. The only team on that entire list with any chance is BYU to the Big12.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
The somewhat more realistic expansion draft idea would be the formation of a new best-of-the-rest conference from the non-P5 candidates. It's a draft in the sense that you're pulling teams away from their existing situations, but it would have only a single drafter.

It would likely involve the best of the AAC, MWC and the independents.

Even though more realistic, it didn't ultimately come to fruition in the 2011-2012 realignment and it didn't happen in the last year when the AAC, MWC, and BYU were all negotiating new media deals...so, it will likely never happen. The 2025 realignment could present another opportunity. Or, a P5 break away could allow a limited set of callups to come along.

It would be interesting to see how the list might differ today from those schools that were part of and invited to the Big East and then the AAC, in the 2011-2013 realignment timeframe. I believe this is the order:

UConn, Cincinnati, USF
Temple, Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF
BYU, Navy, Air Force, Boise State, San Diego State
ECU, Tulane, Tulsa
[also rumored that Fresno State and UNLV were approached]


My take is that Army would now be on the list somewhere and UConn's value would fall - although they would still be on the short list for consideration.

Any other MWC, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt or independent schools that would get an invite ahead of anyone on the above list?
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(07-31-2020 11:50 AM)YNot Wrote:  The somewhat more realistic expansion draft idea would be the formation of a new best-of-the-rest conference from the non-P5 candidates. It's a draft in the sense that you're pulling teams away from their existing situations, but it would have only a single drafter.

It would likely involve the best of the AAC, MWC and the independents.

Even though more realistic, it didn't ultimately come to fruition in the 2011-2012 realignment and it didn't happen in the last year when the AAC, MWC, and BYU were all negotiating new media deals...so, it will likely never happen. The 2025 realignment could present another opportunity. Or, a P5 break away could allow a limited set of callups to come along.

It would be interesting to see how the list might differ today from those schools that were part of and invited to the Big East and then the AAC, in the 2011-2013 realignment timeframe. I believe this is the order:

UConn, Cincinnati, USF
Temple, Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF
BYU, Navy, Air Force, Boise State, San Diego State
ECU, Tulane, Tulsa
[also rumored that Fresno State and UNLV were approached]


My take is that Army would now be on the list somewhere and UConn's value would fall - although they would still be on the short list for consideration.

Any other MWC, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt or independent schools that would get an invite ahead of anyone on the above list?
Tulsa and ECU would likely be left out.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(07-31-2020 05:38 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 11:50 AM)YNot Wrote:  The somewhat more realistic expansion draft idea would be the formation of a new best-of-the-rest conference from the non-P5 candidates. It's a draft in the sense that you're pulling teams away from their existing situations, but it would have only a single drafter.

It would likely involve the best of the AAC, MWC and the independents.

Even though more realistic, it didn't ultimately come to fruition in the 2011-2012 realignment and it didn't happen in the last year when the AAC, MWC, and BYU were all negotiating new media deals...so, it will likely never happen. The 2025 realignment could present another opportunity. Or, a P5 break away could allow a limited set of callups to come along.

It would be interesting to see how the list might differ today from those schools that were part of and invited to the Big East and then the AAC, in the 2011-2013 realignment timeframe. I believe this is the order:

UConn, Cincinnati, USF
Temple, Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF
BYU, Navy, Air Force, Boise State, San Diego State
ECU, Tulane, Tulsa
[also rumored that Fresno State and UNLV were approached]


My take is that Army would now be on the list somewhere and UConn's value would fall - although they would still be on the short list for consideration.

Any other MWC, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt or independent schools that would get an invite ahead of anyone on the above list?
Tulsa and ECU would likely be left out.

Tulsa’s academics and endowment would surely keep them in, no?
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(08-01-2020 04:38 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 05:38 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(07-31-2020 11:50 AM)YNot Wrote:  The somewhat more realistic expansion draft idea would be the formation of a new best-of-the-rest conference from the non-P5 candidates. It's a draft in the sense that you're pulling teams away from their existing situations, but it would have only a single drafter.

It would likely involve the best of the AAC, MWC and the independents.

Even though more realistic, it didn't ultimately come to fruition in the 2011-2012 realignment and it didn't happen in the last year when the AAC, MWC, and BYU were all negotiating new media deals...so, it will likely never happen. The 2025 realignment could present another opportunity. Or, a P5 break away could allow a limited set of callups to come along.

It would be interesting to see how the list might differ today from those schools that were part of and invited to the Big East and then the AAC, in the 2011-2013 realignment timeframe. I believe this is the order:

UConn, Cincinnati, USF
Temple, Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF
BYU, Navy, Air Force, Boise State, San Diego State
ECU, Tulane, Tulsa
[also rumored that Fresno State and UNLV were approached]


My take is that Army would now be on the list somewhere and UConn's value would fall - although they would still be on the short list for consideration.

Any other MWC, CUSA, MAC, Sun Belt or independent schools that would get an invite ahead of anyone on the above list?
Tulsa and ECU would likely be left out.

Tulsa’s academics and endowment would surely keep them in, no?
Not sure if that was a joke, but I’m gonna assume it wasn’t lol. Tulsa has no fanbase, small market, no growth potential, tiny enrollment, poor on the field results, etc. They wouldn’t be included.
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(07-30-2020 05:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 11:36 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 11:00 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 10:01 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Well I think this exercise is difficult because we are pigeon-holing 2 teams per conference. And obviously one team cannot be used twice. This is insinuating 10 G5 schools move up to the P5. When in reality there are maybe 6-8 MAXIMUM that are decent enough options to warrant such a move. This exercise falsely assumes the B1G, SEC, and ACC are all moving to 16 team conferences (with ND not being included), B12 back to 12 (well that makes sense), and Pac-12 moving to 14 (this isn't a crazy approach and if Boise could get their academics up, they could be one of those 2). The point being that most likely you wouldn't see all P5s increase by 2 members.

AT MOST:

B1G + 0
ACC + 0
SEC + 0
B12 + 4
PAC + 2

= 6 call ups. At most SIX teams would be able to get their golden tickets punched with the B12 being best positioned to add 2-4 teams. Until someone jumps to 16 team conferences I can't see it happening. With that said, the ACC has been trying to get Notre Dame as #15, so you would think if that ever came to fruition they would naturally go to 16. Even if the ACC did go to 16, would the B1G, SEC, etc. follow suit? I'm not so sure. In that scenario I could see the ACC adding a WVU, Cincinnati, Temple, Buffalo or UConn type for #16 and calling it a day.

Assuming 6 schools get called up (2 to PAC and 4 to XII), the question becomes who the conferences would want.

PAC would be in a tougher position but I think they’d consider 2 of the following: Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, and Houston.

The XII would probably consider 4 of: BYU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida, and South Florida.

My best guess:

PAC + Hawaii, UNLV
XII + Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida

I take it then that no way in a million years would the PAC ever consider Boise? You mentioned Hawaii as an option, I hadn't considered them, do you know if they fit in academically with the others? Is SDSU off the table or would they prefer UNLV maybe? I could also see the PAC grab Houston and maybe another Texas school to get into Texas (or maybe UNM to bridge the gap). PAC really has more options than maybe anyone else when you really think about it, but how good are any of those options?

As for B12 adding 4 (and no changes to other conferences), I am sticking with the four I've argued for inclusion and defended for years now... Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF.

Boise State's academics aren't even on the radar. It's too bad Boise can't switch its academics with University of Idaho (or that U of Idaho isn't in Boise), otherwise they'd top the PAC 12's short list.

San Diego State has good location, good athletics department and academics aren't a negative, except that the UC system (UCLA and Cal) won't agree to elevate a CSU school.

UNLV's location is good, but academics are an obstacle.

Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, and Wyoming are state flag ships with research, so that puts them on the radar. Hawaii brings some interesting market growth opportunities - the others don't bring much market value and require significant athletics department and facilities improvement.

I don't see the Pac considering Fresno St., but compared to the schools you mention, they have a strong athletic department and perhaps the best fan support.

You also don't mention Air Force and Colorado St. which were the only MWC schools on the Big 12 short list.

If the rule to this hypothetical is only G5 schools then the PAC needs to jump on Houston and SMU. No one will touch Mt West schools or BYU except maybe the PAC. Get two footholds in Texas then, if 16 is the goal, then 2 of Hawaii, San Diego St, UNLV, and Colorado St. I think Hawaii and UNLV.
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(08-01-2020 10:55 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 05:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 11:36 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 11:00 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Assuming 6 schools get called up (2 to PAC and 4 to XII), the question becomes who the conferences would want.

PAC would be in a tougher position but I think they’d consider 2 of the following: Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, and Houston.

The XII would probably consider 4 of: BYU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida, and South Florida.

My best guess:

PAC + Hawaii, UNLV
XII + Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida

I take it then that no way in a million years would the PAC ever consider Boise? You mentioned Hawaii as an option, I hadn't considered them, do you know if they fit in academically with the others? Is SDSU off the table or would they prefer UNLV maybe? I could also see the PAC grab Houston and maybe another Texas school to get into Texas (or maybe UNM to bridge the gap). PAC really has more options than maybe anyone else when you really think about it, but how good are any of those options?

As for B12 adding 4 (and no changes to other conferences), I am sticking with the four I've argued for inclusion and defended for years now... Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF.

Boise State's academics aren't even on the radar. It's too bad Boise can't switch its academics with University of Idaho (or that U of Idaho isn't in Boise), otherwise they'd top the PAC 12's short list.

San Diego State has good location, good athletics department and academics aren't a negative, except that the UC system (UCLA and Cal) won't agree to elevate a CSU school.

UNLV's location is good, but academics are an obstacle.

Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, and Wyoming are state flag ships with research, so that puts them on the radar. Hawaii brings some interesting market growth opportunities - the others don't bring much market value and require significant athletics department and facilities improvement.

I don't see the Pac considering Fresno St., but compared to the schools you mention, they have a strong athletic department and perhaps the best fan support.

You also don't mention Air Force and Colorado St. which were the only MWC schools on the Big 12 short list.

If the rule to this hypothetical is only G5 schools then the PAC needs to jump on Houston and SMU. No one will touch Mt West schools or BYU except maybe the PAC. Get two footholds in Texas then, if 16 is the goal, then 2 of Hawaii, San Diego St, UNLV, and Colorado St. I think Hawaii and UNLV.

There's really no way the Big 12 takes SMU, but if the Pac 12 HAD to go to 14, I think it would be Houston and SMU. SMU has the biggest athletic budget after UConn and BYU. And they fit the "mold" of the P5 privates like Wake Forest, Syracuse and Boston College.
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(07-29-2020 03:33 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 01:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The concept is ridiculous but then again so are the picks—SMU to the SEC in round 1? If they had to take a G5 from Texas, Houston would be the top pick.

I’d also take BYU over UCF if I was the Big 12.

Not really.

A&M already more than provides the Houston market to the SEC so UH brings nothing new

SMU at least allows the SEC to plant it’s flag physically IN Dallas which is otherwise is a CFB no-man’s land right now. SEC teams coming to Dallas weekly in the fall, staying in Dallas hotels, eating at Dallas restaurants touring Dallas attractions suddenly gives the city huge incentive to become a pro-SEC town

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(08-01-2020 11:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-01-2020 10:55 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 05:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 11:36 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  I take it then that no way in a million years would the PAC ever consider Boise? You mentioned Hawaii as an option, I hadn't considered them, do you know if they fit in academically with the others? Is SDSU off the table or would they prefer UNLV maybe? I could also see the PAC grab Houston and maybe another Texas school to get into Texas (or maybe UNM to bridge the gap). PAC really has more options than maybe anyone else when you really think about it, but how good are any of those options?

As for B12 adding 4 (and no changes to other conferences), I am sticking with the four I've argued for inclusion and defended for years now... Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF.

Boise State's academics aren't even on the radar. It's too bad Boise can't switch its academics with University of Idaho (or that U of Idaho isn't in Boise), otherwise they'd top the PAC 12's short list.

San Diego State has good location, good athletics department and academics aren't a negative, except that the UC system (UCLA and Cal) won't agree to elevate a CSU school.

UNLV's location is good, but academics are an obstacle.

Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, and Wyoming are state flag ships with research, so that puts them on the radar. Hawaii brings some interesting market growth opportunities - the others don't bring much market value and require significant athletics department and facilities improvement.

I don't see the Pac considering Fresno St., but compared to the schools you mention, they have a strong athletic department and perhaps the best fan support.

You also don't mention Air Force and Colorado St. which were the only MWC schools on the Big 12 short list.

If the rule to this hypothetical is only G5 schools then the PAC needs to jump on Houston and SMU. No one will touch Mt West schools or BYU except maybe the PAC. Get two footholds in Texas then, if 16 is the goal, then 2 of Hawaii, San Diego St, UNLV, and Colorado St. I think Hawaii and UNLV.

There's really no way the Big 12 takes SMU, but if the Pac 12 HAD to go to 14, I think it would be Houston and SMU. SMU has the biggest athletic budget after UConn and BYU. And they fit the "mold" of the P5 privates like Wake Forest, Syracuse and Boston College.

Under the gun, I think the PAC would stay more local - SDSU for sure and then some other random MW team.

I can't see the PAC extending all the way to Texas unless it is for Texas or Texas AM, which of course are off the table.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(Yesterday 09:05 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 03:33 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 01:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The concept is ridiculous but then again so are the picks—SMU to the SEC in round 1? If they had to take a G5 from Texas, Houston would be the top pick.

I’d also take BYU over UCF if I was the Big 12.

Not really.

A&M already more than provides the Houston market to the SEC so UH brings nothing new

SMU at least allows the SEC to plant it’s flag physically IN Dallas which is otherwise is a CFB no-man’s land right now. SEC teams coming to Dallas weekly in the fall, staying in Dallas hotels, eating at Dallas restaurants touring Dallas attractions suddenly gives the city huge incentive to become a pro-SEC town

LOL

Sorry bro, it’s true. Also throw in the fact that the SEC doesn’t do public city schools and UH has exactly zero chance of ever getting into the SEC

SMU isn’t much better but 1% > 0%
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Houston red cougars and SMU Dallas mustangs are in the TWO MAJOR Texas markets so for a league like the PAC if they want to increase their tv revenue markets has to be on top of their list.

C'mon PAC let everyone know you mean business make it happen.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(Yesterday 10:59 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:05 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 03:33 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 01:07 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The concept is ridiculous but then again so are the picks—SMU to the SEC in round 1? If they had to take a G5 from Texas, Houston would be the top pick.

I’d also take BYU over UCF if I was the Big 12.

Not really.

A&M already more than provides the Houston market to the SEC so UH brings nothing new

SMU at least allows the SEC to plant it’s flag physically IN Dallas which is otherwise is a CFB no-man’s land right now. SEC teams coming to Dallas weekly in the fall, staying in Dallas hotels, eating at Dallas restaurants touring Dallas attractions suddenly gives the city huge incentive to become a pro-SEC town

LOL

Sorry bro, it’s true. Also throw in the fact that the SEC doesn’t do public city schools and UH has exactly zero chance of ever getting into the SEC

SMU isn’t much better but 1% > 0%

LOL
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(Yesterday 10:59 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Also throw in the fact that the SEC doesn’t do public city schools...

The University of Kentucky, the University of Tennessee, the University of South Carolina, and LSU say, “Hold my beer.”
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(Yesterday 11:41 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:59 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Also throw in the fact that the SEC doesn’t do public city schools...

The University of Kentucky, the University of Tennessee, the University of South Carolina, and LSU say, “Hold my beer.”

Is that an inside joke? I don't get it.
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