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UCF is #166 in US News while taking in 50k undergrads and being one of the youngest nationally ranked schools.
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If a flagship AAU school that played American football was important to the B1G, there's a perfectly good university 90 minutes away that would allow the B1G Network to actually get into NY...The University at Buffalo
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(07-29-2020 01:04 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  He violated his own rules with several of those picks.

Quote:All normal factors, including program quality, academics & geographic impact on travel still apply.

Money is a normal factor. Conference politics is a normal factor.

Yeah, the most egregious is Appalachian State. The ACC would not choose a FIFTH school in North Carolina, let alone one that has such a low academic ranking in relation to the rest of the conference.

All of them are ridiculous except BYU to the Big 12.
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I think expansion as in previous expansions conferences would mostly be looking to expand their footprints and market reach if at all possible. With that said they would balance cultural fit, fan support, recruiting grounds, academics and potential. Playing along with each conference adding only 2 I've come up with the following (Note: I didn't set this up as a draft but the two best fits IMO)

- Big Ten: Buffalo, NDSU (maybe a stretch) or UConn
- Big 12: UCF, Memphis
- SEC: ECU, App St
- ACC: Cincinnati, Temple
- PAC 12: Boise State, San Diego St

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(07-29-2020 04:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 04:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 03:54 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 12:40 PM)YNot Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/1959049/2020/07/...f-5-teams/

Hypothetical P5 expansion draft from among non-P5 schools:

ROUND 1
- Big Ten: Cincinnati
- Big 12: UCF
- SEC: SMU
- ACC: South Florida
- PAC 12: Boise State

ROUND 2
- PAC 12: San Diego State
- ACC: Appalachian State
- SEC: Memphis
- Big 12: BYU
- Big Ten:

To offense to the Bearcats, but why would the Big Ten choose Cincy with all of them available? A Texas or Florida School would be more valuable.

Well first of all they wouldn’t, but the premise of Mandel’s article is he is throwing out throw out a lot of factors that get considered and based it on geography and on the field performance.

I would buy that more if the next pick wasn't UCF to the Big 12. Cincy doesn't add that much to a conference that is already in Ohio and Indiana, and UC doesn't have much reach into Kentucky

I realize Cincinnati isn’t well respected on this board, but we check more boxes across the board than nearly everyone outside the P5. We haven’t had the back to back undefeated seasons of UCF, but our FB has been very good for a while now. We are good at hoops. We have brand strength. We have solid academics and are heavy in research. We reside in a large market in a big state and Ohio is a football crazed market. Our TV ratings are solid.

Most of the other candidates have at least one box unchecked, whether it be academics, location, duplication of markets/not expanding footprint, attendance issues, mediocre to bad hoops, political/religious issues, etc.
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(07-30-2020 08:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 04:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 04:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 03:54 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 12:40 PM)YNot Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/1959049/2020/07/...f-5-teams/

Hypothetical P5 expansion draft from among non-P5 schools:

ROUND 1
- Big Ten: Cincinnati
- Big 12: UCF
- SEC: SMU
- ACC: South Florida
- PAC 12: Boise State

ROUND 2
- PAC 12: San Diego State
- ACC: Appalachian State
- SEC: Memphis
- Big 12: BYU
- Big Ten:

To offense to the Bearcats, but why would the Big Ten choose Cincy with all of them available? A Texas or Florida School would be more valuable.

Well first of all they wouldn’t, but the premise of Mandel’s article is he is throwing out throw out a lot of factors that get considered and based it on geography and on the field performance.

I would buy that more if the next pick wasn't UCF to the Big 12. Cincy doesn't add that much to a conference that is already in Ohio and Indiana, and UC doesn't have much reach into Kentucky

I realize Cincinnati isn’t well respected on this board, but we check more boxes across the board than nearly everyone outside the P5. We haven’t had the back to back undefeated seasons of UCF, but our FB has been very good for a while now. We are good at hoops. We have brand strength. We have solid academics and are heavy in research. We reside in a large market in a big state and Ohio is a football crazed market. Our TV ratings are solid.

Most of the other candidates have at least one box unchecked, whether it be academics, location, duplication of markets/not expanding footprint, attendance issues, mediocre to bad hoops, political/religious issues, etc.

C-Ave. I'm not sure I agree with you when you note:

I realize Cincinnati isn’t well respected on this board

I've been reading the board since about 2013 and feel that the posters, collectively, have been fairly respectful of UC. There clearly are some who have not.
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The expansion draft exercise shows exactly why there will be no "expansion" to the P5 from the G5, as NONE of the options looks appealing from a P5 view at all.

If any G5 end up in the P5 this decade, it will not be via "expansion", but rather as the result of "backfill" after a P5 is wounded by a raid from another P5. No P5 will willingly and voluntarily add any G5 schools.
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(07-30-2020 09:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The expansion draft exercise shows exactly why there will be no "expansion" to the P5 from the G5, as NONE of the options looks appealing from a P5 view at all.

If any G5 end up in the P5 this decade, it will not be via "expansion", but rather as the result of "backfill" after a P5 is wounded by a raid from another P5. No P5 will willingly and voluntarily add any G5 schools.

Absolutely. If any of the P5's wanted a G5, there was nothing stopping them from taking them already. The Big 12 had plenty of chances to take UCF and/or USF, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, BYU, etc, but chose to stay at 10.
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(07-30-2020 09:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The expansion draft exercise shows exactly why there will be no "expansion" to the P5 from the G5, as NONE of the options looks appealing from a P5 view at all.

If any G5 end up in the P5 this decade, it will not be via "expansion", but rather as the result of "backfill" after a P5 is wounded by a raid from another P5. No P5 will willingly and voluntarily add any G5 schools.

Well I think this exercise is difficult because we are pigeon-holing 2 teams per conference. And obviously one team cannot be used twice. This is insinuating 10 G5 schools move up to the P5. When in reality there are maybe 6-8 MAXIMUM that are decent enough options to warrant such a move. This exercise falsely assumes the B1G, SEC, and ACC are all moving to 16 team conferences (with ND not being included), B12 back to 12 (well that makes sense), and Pac-12 moving to 14 (this isn't a crazy approach and if Boise could get their academics up, they could be one of those 2). The point being that most likely you wouldn't see all P5s increase by 2 members.

AT MOST:

B1G + 0
ACC + 0
SEC + 0
B12 + 4
PAC + 2

= 6 call ups. At most SIX teams would be able to get their golden tickets punched with the B12 being best positioned to add 2-4 teams. Until someone jumps to 16 team conferences I can't see it happening. With that said, the ACC has been trying to get Notre Dame as #15, so you would think if that ever came to fruition they would naturally go to 16. Even if the ACC did go to 16, would the B1G, SEC, etc. follow suit? I'm not so sure. In that scenario I could see the ACC adding a WVU, Cincinnati, Temple, Buffalo or UConn type for #16 and calling it a day.
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(07-30-2020 10:01 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 09:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The expansion draft exercise shows exactly why there will be no "expansion" to the P5 from the G5, as NONE of the options looks appealing from a P5 view at all.

If any G5 end up in the P5 this decade, it will not be via "expansion", but rather as the result of "backfill" after a P5 is wounded by a raid from another P5. No P5 will willingly and voluntarily add any G5 schools.

Well I think this exercise is difficult because we are pigeon-holing 2 teams per conference. And obviously one team cannot be used twice. This is insinuating 10 G5 schools move up to the P5. When in reality there are maybe 6-8 MAXIMUM that are decent enough options to warrant such a move. This exercise falsely assumes the B1G, SEC, and ACC are all moving to 16 team conferences (with ND not being included), B12 back to 12 (well that makes sense), and Pac-12 moving to 14 (this isn't a crazy approach and if Boise could get their academics up, they could be one of those 2). The point being that most likely you wouldn't see all P5s increase by 2 members.

AT MOST:

B1G + 0
ACC + 0
SEC + 0
B12 + 4
PAC + 2

= 6 call ups. At most SIX teams would be able to get their golden tickets punched with the B12 being best positioned to add 2-4 teams. Until someone jumps to 16 team conferences I can't see it happening. With that said, the ACC has been trying to get Notre Dame as #15, so you would think if that ever came to fruition they would naturally go to 16. Even if the ACC did go to 16, would the B1G, SEC, etc. follow suit? I'm not so sure. In that scenario I could see the ACC adding a WVU, Cincinnati, Temple, Buffalo or UConn type for #16 and calling it a day.

Assuming 6 schools get called up (2 to PAC and 4 to XII), the question becomes who the conferences would want.

PAC would be in a tougher position but I think they’d consider 2 of the following: Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, and Houston.

The XII would probably consider 4 of: BYU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida, and South Florida.

My best guess:

PAC + Hawaii, UNLV
XII + Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida
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(07-30-2020 08:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 04:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 04:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 03:54 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 12:40 PM)YNot Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/1959049/2020/07/...f-5-teams/

Hypothetical P5 expansion draft from among non-P5 schools:

ROUND 1
- Big Ten: Cincinnati
- Big 12: UCF
- SEC: SMU
- ACC: South Florida
- PAC 12: Boise State

ROUND 2
- PAC 12: San Diego State
- ACC: Appalachian State
- SEC: Memphis
- Big 12: BYU
- Big Ten:

To offense to the Bearcats, but why would the Big Ten choose Cincy with all of them available? A Texas or Florida School would be more valuable.

Well first of all they wouldn’t, but the premise of Mandel’s article is he is throwing out throw out a lot of factors that get considered and based it on geography and on the field performance.

I would buy that more if the next pick wasn't UCF to the Big 12. Cincy doesn't add that much to a conference that is already in Ohio and Indiana, and UC doesn't have much reach into Kentucky

I realize Cincinnati isn’t well respected on this board, but we check more boxes across the board than nearly everyone outside the P5. We haven’t had the back to back undefeated seasons of UCF, but our FB has been very good for a while now. We are good at hoops. We have brand strength. We have solid academics and are heavy in research. We reside in a large market in a big state and Ohio is a football crazed market. Our TV ratings are solid.

Most of the other candidates have at least one box unchecked, whether it be academics, location, duplication of markets/not expanding footprint, attendance issues, mediocre to bad hoops, political/religious issues, etc.

I should have clarified - Cinci would be the first pick in my mind EXCEPT for the Big 10. I'd switch the Big 10 and Big 12 picks. Cincy would team up well with WVU in the Big 12 (would have been better had the Big 12 invited UC, UL and WVU back in 2013, but that is in the past. I just don't think Cincy adds enough to the B1G, market wise and would face opposition from several conference schools.
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(07-30-2020 11:00 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 10:01 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 09:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The expansion draft exercise shows exactly why there will be no "expansion" to the P5 from the G5, as NONE of the options looks appealing from a P5 view at all.

If any G5 end up in the P5 this decade, it will not be via "expansion", but rather as the result of "backfill" after a P5 is wounded by a raid from another P5. No P5 will willingly and voluntarily add any G5 schools.

Well I think this exercise is difficult because we are pigeon-holing 2 teams per conference. And obviously one team cannot be used twice. This is insinuating 10 G5 schools move up to the P5. When in reality there are maybe 6-8 MAXIMUM that are decent enough options to warrant such a move. This exercise falsely assumes the B1G, SEC, and ACC are all moving to 16 team conferences (with ND not being included), B12 back to 12 (well that makes sense), and Pac-12 moving to 14 (this isn't a crazy approach and if Boise could get their academics up, they could be one of those 2). The point being that most likely you wouldn't see all P5s increase by 2 members.

AT MOST:

B1G + 0
ACC + 0
SEC + 0
B12 + 4
PAC + 2

= 6 call ups. At most SIX teams would be able to get their golden tickets punched with the B12 being best positioned to add 2-4 teams. Until someone jumps to 16 team conferences I can't see it happening. With that said, the ACC has been trying to get Notre Dame as #15, so you would think if that ever came to fruition they would naturally go to 16. Even if the ACC did go to 16, would the B1G, SEC, etc. follow suit? I'm not so sure. In that scenario I could see the ACC adding a WVU, Cincinnati, Temple, Buffalo or UConn type for #16 and calling it a day.

Assuming 6 schools get called up (2 to PAC and 4 to XII), the question becomes who the conferences would want.

PAC would be in a tougher position but I think they’d consider 2 of the following: Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, and Houston.

The XII would probably consider 4 of: BYU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida, and South Florida.

My best guess:

PAC + Hawaii, UNLV
XII + Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida

I take it then that no way in a million years would the PAC ever consider Boise? You mentioned Hawaii as an option, I hadn't considered them, do you know if they fit in academically with the others? Is SDSU off the table or would they prefer UNLV maybe? I could also see the PAC grab Houston and maybe another Texas school to get into Texas (or maybe UNM to bridge the gap). PAC really has more options than maybe anyone else when you really think about it, but how good are any of those options?

As for B12 adding 4 (and no changes to other conferences), I am sticking with the four I've argued for inclusion and defended for years now... Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF.
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(07-30-2020 11:36 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 11:00 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 10:01 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 09:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The expansion draft exercise shows exactly why there will be no "expansion" to the P5 from the G5, as NONE of the options looks appealing from a P5 view at all.

If any G5 end up in the P5 this decade, it will not be via "expansion", but rather as the result of "backfill" after a P5 is wounded by a raid from another P5. No P5 will willingly and voluntarily add any G5 schools.

Well I think this exercise is difficult because we are pigeon-holing 2 teams per conference. And obviously one team cannot be used twice. This is insinuating 10 G5 schools move up to the P5. When in reality there are maybe 6-8 MAXIMUM that are decent enough options to warrant such a move. This exercise falsely assumes the B1G, SEC, and ACC are all moving to 16 team conferences (with ND not being included), B12 back to 12 (well that makes sense), and Pac-12 moving to 14 (this isn't a crazy approach and if Boise could get their academics up, they could be one of those 2). The point being that most likely you wouldn't see all P5s increase by 2 members.

AT MOST:

B1G + 0
ACC + 0
SEC + 0
B12 + 4
PAC + 2

= 6 call ups. At most SIX teams would be able to get their golden tickets punched with the B12 being best positioned to add 2-4 teams. Until someone jumps to 16 team conferences I can't see it happening. With that said, the ACC has been trying to get Notre Dame as #15, so you would think if that ever came to fruition they would naturally go to 16. Even if the ACC did go to 16, would the B1G, SEC, etc. follow suit? I'm not so sure. In that scenario I could see the ACC adding a WVU, Cincinnati, Temple, Buffalo or UConn type for #16 and calling it a day.

Assuming 6 schools get called up (2 to PAC and 4 to XII), the question becomes who the conferences would want.

PAC would be in a tougher position but I think they’d consider 2 of the following: Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, and Houston.

The XII would probably consider 4 of: BYU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida, and South Florida.

My best guess:

PAC + Hawaii, UNLV
XII + Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida

I take it then that no way in a million years would the PAC ever consider Boise? You mentioned Hawaii as an option, I hadn't considered them, do you know if they fit in academically with the others? Is SDSU off the table or would they prefer UNLV maybe? I could also see the PAC grab Houston and maybe another Texas school to get into Texas (or maybe UNM to bridge the gap). PAC really has more options than maybe anyone else when you really think about it, but how good are any of those options?

As for B12 adding 4 (and no changes to other conferences), I am sticking with the four I've argued for inclusion and defended for years now... Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF.

Boise State's academics aren't even on the radar. It's too bad Boise can't switch its academics with University of Idaho (or that U of Idaho isn't in Boise), otherwise they'd top the PAC 12's short list.

San Diego State has good location, good athletics department and academics aren't a negative, except that the UC system (UCLA and Cal) won't agree to elevate a CSU school.

UNLV's location is good, but academics are an obstacle.

Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, and Wyoming are state flag ships with research, so that puts them on the radar. Hawaii brings some interesting market growth opportunities - the others don't bring much market value and require significant athletics department and facilities improvement.
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(07-30-2020 08:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 04:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 04:01 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 03:54 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-29-2020 12:40 PM)YNot Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/1959049/2020/07/...f-5-teams/

Hypothetical P5 expansion draft from among non-P5 schools:

ROUND 1
- Big Ten: Cincinnati
- Big 12: UCF
- SEC: SMU
- ACC: South Florida
- PAC 12: Boise State

ROUND 2
- PAC 12: San Diego State
- ACC: Appalachian State
- SEC: Memphis
- Big 12: BYU
- Big Ten:

To offense to the Bearcats, but why would the Big Ten choose Cincy with all of them available? A Texas or Florida School would be more valuable.

Well first of all they wouldn’t, but the premise of Mandel’s article is he is throwing out throw out a lot of factors that get considered and based it on geography and on the field performance.

I would buy that more if the next pick wasn't UCF to the Big 12. Cincy doesn't add that much to a conference that is already in Ohio and Indiana, and UC doesn't have much reach into Kentucky

I realize Cincinnati isn’t well respected on this board, but we check more boxes across the board than nearly everyone outside the P5. We haven’t had the back to back undefeated seasons of UCF, but our FB has been very good for a while now. We are good at hoops. We have brand strength. We have solid academics and are heavy in research. We reside in a large market in a big state and Ohio is a football crazed market. Our TV ratings are solid.

Most of the other candidates have at least one box unchecked, whether it be academics, location, duplication of markets/not expanding footprint, attendance issues, mediocre to bad hoops, political/religious issues, etc.

I respect Cincy. Your academic profile is right there with VT, NC State, Miami, etc., one of the half-dozen of so waiting to take Kansas' and Mizzou's spot in the AAU.

Your problem is that you allowed Louisville to get 7-8 years ahead of you in football and then the merry go round stopped.

Your geography is a problem as well - your market is overlapped by SEC, B10, and ACC schools UK, Louisville, OSU, Indiana, etc. If Cincy were located in Dayton or Cleveland you would be in the ACC.
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Another thing that renders this as a silly exercise is the notion that the A5 would approach this as if the five conferences are equals. They most definitely are not. If the B1G and the SEC are going to expand, it's going to be at the expense of the ACC, Big XII and the Pac-12. Then THOSE conferences could add from among the G5 candidates that would remain.

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(07-30-2020 12:40 PM)usffan Wrote:  Another thing that renders this as a silly exercise is the notion that the A5 would approach this as if the five conferences are equals. They most definitely are not. If the B1G and the SEC are going to expand, it's going to be at the expense of the ACC, Big XII and the Pac-12. Then THOSE conferences could add from among the G5 candidates that would remain.

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For the exercise to have any meaning you have to accept the unstated proposition that the P-5 is being threatened by some form of anti-trust and that is the stick being used to force 10 G5's being raised up to the P-5 level.
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(07-30-2020 12:43 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:40 PM)usffan Wrote:  Another thing that renders this as a silly exercise is the notion that the A5 would approach this as if the five conferences are equals. They most definitely are not. If the B1G and the SEC are going to expand, it's going to be at the expense of the ACC, Big XII and the Pac-12. Then THOSE conferences could add from among the G5 candidates that would remain.

USFFan

For the exercise to have any meaning you have to accept the unstated proposition that the P-5 is being threatened by some form of anti-trust and that is the stick being used to force 10 G5's being raised up to the P-5 level.

Let's face it - the exercise has no meaning, other than to give the sportswriter who wrote it something to write about and thus stay employed.
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(07-30-2020 12:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:43 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:40 PM)usffan Wrote:  Another thing that renders this as a silly exercise is the notion that the A5 would approach this as if the five conferences are equals. They most definitely are not. If the B1G and the SEC are going to expand, it's going to be at the expense of the ACC, Big XII and the Pac-12. Then THOSE conferences could add from among the G5 candidates that would remain.

USFFan

For the exercise to have any meaning you have to accept the unstated proposition that the P-5 is being threatened by some form of anti-trust and that is the stick being used to force 10 G5's being raised up to the P-5 level.

Let's face it - the exercise has no meaning, other than to give the sportswriter who wrote it something to write about and thus stay employed.

True, but playing along in the spirit of things - these 15 or so schools have the best political/academic/sports gravitas to force their way in:

Cincy, UCF, Houston, Navy, Army, USF, Tulane, UConn, Memphis, New Mexico, SDSU, Colorado State, UNLV, Air Force, Temple

I made the above list based on their football prowess, academics, research, basketball prowess, prior status, location, alumni base, and US Senators.

Any "additions" will be "politcal" in the broadest sense of the term.
07-30-2020 12:57 PM
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(07-30-2020 12:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:43 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:40 PM)usffan Wrote:  Another thing that renders this as a silly exercise is the notion that the A5 would approach this as if the five conferences are equals. They most definitely are not. If the B1G and the SEC are going to expand, it's going to be at the expense of the ACC, Big XII and the Pac-12. Then THOSE conferences could add from among the G5 candidates that would remain.

USFFan

For the exercise to have any meaning you have to accept the unstated proposition that the P-5 is being threatened by some form of anti-trust and that is the stick being used to force 10 G5's being raised up to the P-5 level.

Let's face it - the exercise has no meaning, other than to give the sportswriter who wrote it something to write about and thus stay employed.

True, but playing along in the spirit of things - these 15 or so schools have the best political/academic/sports gravitas to force their way in:

Cincy, UCF, Houston, Navy, Army, USF, Tulane, UConn, Memphis, New Mexico, SDSU, Colorado State, UNLV, Air Force, Temple

I made the above list based on their football prowess, academics, research, basketball prowess, prior status, location, alumni base, and US Senators.

Any "additions" will be "politcal" in the broadest sense of the term.

You are leaving out Rice. They were actually under consideration by the Big 12-2.
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RE: Mandel's Mailbag: P5 expansion draft
(07-30-2020 04:42 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:57 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:43 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-30-2020 12:40 PM)usffan Wrote:  Another thing that renders this as a silly exercise is the notion that the A5 would approach this as if the five conferences are equals. They most definitely are not. If the B1G and the SEC are going to expand, it's going to be at the expense of the ACC, Big XII and the Pac-12. Then THOSE conferences could add from among the G5 candidates that would remain.

USFFan

For the exercise to have any meaning you have to accept the unstated proposition that the P-5 is being threatened by some form of anti-trust and that is the stick being used to force 10 G5's being raised up to the P-5 level.

Let's face it - the exercise has no meaning, other than to give the sportswriter who wrote it something to write about and thus stay employed.

True, but playing along in the spirit of things - these 15 or so schools have the best political/academic/sports gravitas to force their way in:

Cincy, UCF, Houston, Navy, Army, USF, Tulane, UConn, Memphis, New Mexico, SDSU, Colorado State, UNLV, Air Force, Temple

I made the above list based on their football prowess, academics, research, basketball prowess, prior status, location, alumni base, and US Senators.

Any "additions" will be "politcal" in the broadest sense of the term.

You are leaving out Rice. They were actually under consideration by the Big 12-2.
Yeah, should replace UNLV and SDSU with Rice and SMU
07-30-2020 05:08 PM
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