What do you prefer? One-and-done National Recruit or Mulit-year Local Recruit. Where should our recruiting focus lie?

The same argument could be discussed about Jalen Green vs Matthew Morrell; but it appears that we had Green on board until the NBA changed the rules at the last minute.

So, I think that Brown vs Moore is the better example. Assuming Moore wanted to come here, but for our recruitment of Brown, should our focus been more on Chris Moore?

In this specific case I would have taken Chris Moore over Greg Brown but Green over Murrell. It really just depends.

Combination of both, until the NBA total changes the rules/landscape - as they are in the process of doing. Even then, you can combine local guys with players like Artero.

Brown and Moore 2 totally different guys. Plus Brown way better. You would recruit both if yu wanted both.

(07-27-2020 01:52 PM)micman Wrote:  What do you prefer? One-and-done National Recruit or Mulit-year Local Recruit. Where should our recruiting focus lie?

The same argument could be discussed about Jalen Green vs Matthew Morrell; but it appears that we had Green on board until the NBA changed the rules at the last minute.

So, I think that Brown vs Moore is the better example. Assuming Moore wanted to come here, but for our recruitment of Brown, should our focus been more on Chris Moore?

The answer as it is to many questions...Depends.

If you have a core of players that Green can take you to the promise land...Of course you take Green.

I mean... this isnt really a debate, the answer is pretty clearly both. The only NCAA champions in the last decade that didnt have multiple 5 stars on the roster were '19 UVA (Still had former McD AA in Kyle Guy) and '16 Villanova (But still had 5-star, McD AA Jalen Brunson).

Eyeballing it, every other champion over the last 10 years had multiple McD AAs and the only champion in the last 30 years without a McD AA is maybe '02 Maryland

(07-27-2020 08:22 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  I mean... this isnt really a debate, the answer is pretty clearly both. The only NCAA champions in the last decade that didnt have multiple 5 stars on the roster were '19 UVA (Still had former McD AA in Kyle Guy) and '16 Villanova (But still had 5-star, McD AA Jalen Brunson).

Eyeballing it, every other champion over the last 10 years had multiple McD AAs and the only champion in the last 30 years without a McD AA is maybe '02 Maryland

How many of those 5 stars were one and done types however? That's the issue. Guys like Kyle Guy and Jalen Brunson stayed multiple years. Greg Brown is not. So do you get more service out of Browns one year or Moores four years

In other words right now who do you see making a bigger impact in a title run? Greg Brown next year and next year only or Chris Moore for 4 years at Auburn?

(07-28-2020 08:27 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 08:22 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  I mean... this isnt really a debate, the answer is pretty clearly both. The only NCAA champions in the last decade that didnt have multiple 5 stars on the roster were '19 UVA (Still had former McD AA in Kyle Guy) and '16 Villanova (But still had 5-star, McD AA Jalen Brunson).

Eyeballing it, every other champion over the last 10 years had multiple McD AAs and the only champion in the last 30 years without a McD AA is maybe '02 Maryland

How many of those 5 stars were one and done types however? That's the issue. Guys like Kyle Guy and Jalen Brunson stayed multiple years. Greg Brown is not. So do you get more service out of Browns one year or Moores four years

In other words right now who do you see making a bigger impact in a title run? Greg Brown next year and next year only or Chris Moore for 4 years at Auburn?

i think Cal had the right formula if you can find that one 5 star that's transcendent with older players. Unless you have a Emoni Bates who is supposed to be the next LeBron James.

Not all 5 stars are created equal. I would take Jalen Brunson over Tyreke Evans but not Derrick Rose. Brunson delivered two chips to Villanova. Just think he was supposed to go to Temple like his dad.

(07-28-2020 08:27 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 08:22 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  I mean... this isnt really a debate, the answer is pretty clearly both. The only NCAA champions in the last decade that didnt have multiple 5 stars on the roster were '19 UVA (Still had former McD AA in Kyle Guy) and '16 Villanova (But still had 5-star, McD AA Jalen Brunson).

Eyeballing it, every other champion over the last 10 years had multiple McD AAs and the only champion in the last 30 years without a McD AA is maybe '02 Maryland

How many of those 5 stars were one and done types however? That's the issue. Guys like Kyle Guy and Jalen Brunson stayed multiple years. Greg Brown is not. So do you get more service out of Browns one year or Moores four years

In other words right now who do you see making a bigger impact in a title run? Greg Brown next year and next year only or Chris Moore for 4 years at Auburn?

It depends on where your program is at and how many years away from the hot seat your are...

For Penny, trying to rebuild a program and do it instantly Greg Brown is 1000x more important because next year is infinitely more important to the program rebuild and Penny having a job in 4 years.

Once a program is established/turned around and the coach is comfortable has some runway then players like Kyle Guy and Moore become extremely important for consistency and longevity of success.

The reality is that you hope to get a mix as others pointed out. You have to have the foundation players and long term players but also the the over the top stars to carry the team at times.

Take Brown and recruit around him. Top talent draws other top talent. What would our roster look like now (or last year) without Wiseman as the centerpiece?

Always aim low.

-Tubby

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It's crazy to rehash this subject & not explain the "Facts".

Chris Moore explained his decision to sign with Auburn in the Commercial Appeal on November 16th 2019.

He was offered & was expected to sign with Memphis. His brother who as I understand it worked at the University of Memphis wanted Chris to sign with Memphis.

But obviously Bruce Pearl used the NCAA brouhaha to turn Chris Moore against signing with Memphis.

To say that Memphis didn't try to sign Chris Moore is just a false statement.

It was never that we preferred Greg Brown vs Chris Moore. Both could have been members of this signing class.

Quote:.
Chris Moore committed to Auburn on Saturday and said that the Memphis Tigers were a "heavy lead" for his recruitment, but that the NCAA's decision to rule James Wmiseman ineligible played a role in steering him away from the program.

Moore said Tigers coach Penny Hardaway visited him Friday around 7 p.m. to explain his side of the story.

"He kind of broke down the allegations better to me in real life, telling me it was not that serious and how much it's not going to affect next year’s team," Moore said.

Moore's announcement came two days after Memphis declared Wiseman ineligible and announced it would immediately apply for his reinstatement by the NCAA. At issue is $11,500 Hardaway supplied to Wiseman's mother for the family to move to Memphis from Nashville in 2017 while Hardaway was a high school coach. Hardaway is considered a Memphis booster.

(07-28-2020 11:56 AM)Cletus Wrote:  .

It's crazy to rehash this subject & not explain the "Facts".

Chris Moore explained his decision to sign with Auburn in the Commercial Appeal on November 16th 2019.

He was offered & was expected to sign with Memphis. His brother who as I understand it worked at the University of Memphis wanted Chris to sign with Memphis.

But obviously Bruce Pearl used the NCAA brouhaha to turn Chris Moore against signing with Memphis.

To say that Memphis didn't try to sign Chris Moore is just a false statement.

It was never that we preferred Greg Brown vs Chris Moore. Both could have been members of this signing class.

Quote:.
Chris Moore committed to Auburn on Saturday and said that the Memphis Tigers were a "heavy lead" for his recruitment, but that the NCAA's decision to rule James Wmiseman ineligible played a role in steering him away from the program.

Moore said Tigers coach Penny Hardaway visited him Friday around 7 p.m. to explain his side of the story.

"He kind of broke down the allegations better to me in real life, telling me it was not that serious and how much it's not going to affect next year’s team," Moore said.

Moore's announcement came two days after Memphis declared Wiseman ineligible and announced it would immediately apply for his reinstatement by the NCAA. At issue is $11,500 Hardaway supplied to Wiseman's mother for the family to move to Memphis from Nashville in 2017 while Hardaway was a high school coach. Hardaway is considered a Memphis booster.

My OP stated my assumptions, and, based on your post, my assumptions were wrong with regard to Moore; however, the overall point of the question (based on flawed assumptions) is still relevant.

(07-28-2020 09:47 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(07-28-2020 08:27 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 08:22 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  I mean... this isnt really a debate, the answer is pretty clearly both. The only NCAA champions in the last decade that didnt have multiple 5 stars on the roster were '19 UVA (Still had former McD AA in Kyle Guy) and '16 Villanova (But still had 5-star, McD AA Jalen Brunson).

Eyeballing it, every other champion over the last 10 years had multiple McD AAs and the only champion in the last 30 years without a McD AA is maybe '02 Maryland

How many of those 5 stars were one and done types however? That's the issue. Guys like Kyle Guy and Jalen Brunson stayed multiple years. Greg Brown is not. So do you get more service out of Browns one year or Moores four years

In other words right now who do you see making a bigger impact in a title run? Greg Brown next year and next year only or Chris Moore for 4 years at Auburn?

It depends on where your program is at and how many years away from the hot seat your are...

For Penny, trying to rebuild a program and do it instantly Greg Brown is 1000x more important because next year is infinitely more important to the program rebuild and Penny having a job in 4 years.

Once a program is established/turned around and the coach is comfortable has some runway then players like Kyle Guy and Moore become extremely important for consistency and longevity of success.

The reality is that you hope to get a mix as others pointed out. You have to have the foundation players and long term players but also the the over the top stars to carry the team at times.

Cal got lucky with the Laurenburg group.

You had very, very good role players who were just flawed enough not to be able to leave early.

Anderson - Great defender..poor offenseive player
CDR - Great offensive player...poor athleticism
Dorsey - Great defender and rebounder...No offense
Dozier - Good all around player...Not great at anything

It is rare you are going to hit on that many 4*'s in a short period. Normally you get more busts than that.

I'm shocked (kinda) that Greg Brown is playing college ball ... must have been some HEAVY Texas handshakes and promises to keep him in Austin.
Also ... I've always been a proponent of getting the top kids in Memphis area first and foremost ... then adding to them. But there are definitely flaws with that logic. Those 80's teams ... from Memphis, starting at ... (x5) ... but Cal showed us all the other end of the rainbow ... so ...
It's a real poker game now ... and all of the "I told you so's" chime in every year. I believe Penny realizes ... now ... that the game changed. The "who fits where best" game is huge. And Kennedy Chandler vs JD Davison will be another one of those deals. As well as JD fits our style ... KC would be my pick. And I'd go with Jonathon Lawson over those 2 higher rated wings we're after.
And I was REALLY PISSED we didn't get Chris Moore. So for now ... I'm sticking with Hometowner's over 5 stars ... FOR NOW !!

(07-30-2020 12:41 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-28-2020 09:47 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(07-28-2020 08:27 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 08:22 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  I mean... this isnt really a debate, the answer is pretty clearly both. The only NCAA champions in the last decade that didnt have multiple 5 stars on the roster were '19 UVA (Still had former McD AA in Kyle Guy) and '16 Villanova (But still had 5-star, McD AA Jalen Brunson).

Eyeballing it, every other champion over the last 10 years had multiple McD AAs and the only champion in the last 30 years without a McD AA is maybe '02 Maryland

How many of those 5 stars were one and done types however? That's the issue. Guys like Kyle Guy and Jalen Brunson stayed multiple years. Greg Brown is not. So do you get more service out of Browns one year or Moores four years

In other words right now who do you see making a bigger impact in a title run? Greg Brown next year and next year only or Chris Moore for 4 years at Auburn?

It depends on where your program is at and how many years away from the hot seat your are...

For Penny, trying to rebuild a program and do it instantly Greg Brown is 1000x more important because next year is infinitely more important to the program rebuild and Penny having a job in 4 years.

Once a program is established/turned around and the coach is comfortable has some runway then players like Kyle Guy and Moore become extremely important for consistency and longevity of success.

The reality is that you hope to get a mix as others pointed out. You have to have the foundation players and long term players but also the the over the top stars to carry the team at times.

Cal got lucky with the Laurenburg group.

You had very, very good role players who were just flawed enough not to be able to leave early.

Anderson - Great defender..poor offenseive player
CDR - Great offensive player...poor athleticism
Dorsey - Great defender and rebounder...No offense
Dozier - Good all around player...Not great at anything

It is rare you are going to hit on that many 4*'s in a short period. Normally you get more busts than that.

Did CDR go to Laurenburg?

(07-30-2020 05:01 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(07-30-2020 12:41 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-28-2020 09:47 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(07-28-2020 08:27 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 08:22 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  I mean... this isnt really a debate, the answer is pretty clearly both. The only NCAA champions in the last decade that didnt have multiple 5 stars on the roster were '19 UVA (Still had former McD AA in Kyle Guy) and '16 Villanova (But still had 5-star, McD AA Jalen Brunson).

Eyeballing it, every other champion over the last 10 years had multiple McD AAs and the only champion in the last 30 years without a McD AA is maybe '02 Maryland

How many of those 5 stars were one and done types however? That's the issue. Guys like Kyle Guy and Jalen Brunson stayed multiple years. Greg Brown is not. So do you get more service out of Browns one year or Moores four years

In other words right now who do you see making a bigger impact in a title run? Greg Brown next year and next year only or Chris Moore for 4 years at Auburn?

It depends on where your program is at and how many years away from the hot seat your are...

For Penny, trying to rebuild a program and do it instantly Greg Brown is 1000x more important because next year is infinitely more important to the program rebuild and Penny having a job in 4 years.

Once a program is established/turned around and the coach is comfortable has some runway then players like Kyle Guy and Moore become extremely important for consistency and longevity of success.

The reality is that you hope to get a mix as others pointed out. You have to have the foundation players and long term players but also the the over the top stars to carry the team at times.

Cal got lucky with the Laurenburg group.

You had very, very good role players who were just flawed enough not to be able to leave early.

Anderson - Great defender..poor offenseive player
CDR - Great offensive player...poor athleticism
Dorsey - Great defender and rebounder...No offense
Dozier - Good all around player...Not great at anything

It is rare you are going to hit on that many 4*'s in a short period. Normally you get more busts than that.

Did CDR go to Laurenburg?

No, and Joey was a year ahead of those guys, too. But that group changed the culture. Along with Andre Allen (in that recruiting class). Shawne Williams was the best player among that group, but I don't know how much credit he should get for the culture change.

(07-30-2020 06:39 PM)micman Wrote:  

(07-30-2020 05:01 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(07-30-2020 12:41 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-28-2020 09:47 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(07-28-2020 08:27 AM)dwash Wrote:  How many of those 5 stars were one and done types however? That's the issue. Guys like Kyle Guy and Jalen Brunson stayed multiple years. Greg Brown is not. So do you get more service out of Browns one year or Moores four years

In other words right now who do you see making a bigger impact in a title run? Greg Brown next year and next year only or Chris Moore for 4 years at Auburn?

It depends on where your program is at and how many years away from the hot seat your are...

For Penny, trying to rebuild a program and do it instantly Greg Brown is 1000x more important because next year is infinitely more important to the program rebuild and Penny having a job in 4 years.

Once a program is established/turned around and the coach is comfortable has some runway then players like Kyle Guy and Moore become extremely important for consistency and longevity of success.

The reality is that you hope to get a mix as others pointed out. You have to have the foundation players and long term players but also the the over the top stars to carry the team at times.

Cal got lucky with the Laurenburg group.

You had very, very good role players who were just flawed enough not to be able to leave early.

Anderson - Great defender..poor offenseive player
CDR - Great offensive player...poor athleticism
Dorsey - Great defender and rebounder...No offense
Dozier - Good all around player...Not great at anything

It is rare you are going to hit on that many 4*'s in a short period. Normally you get more busts than that.

Did CDR go to Laurenburg?

No, and Joey was a year ahead of those guys, too. But that group changed the culture. Along with Andre Allen (in that recruiting class). Shawne Williams was the best player among that group, but I don't know how much credit he should get for the culture change.

None.

(07-27-2020 08:22 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  I mean... this isnt really a debate, the answer is pretty clearly both. The only NCAA champions in the last decade that didnt have multiple 5 stars on the roster were '19 UVA (Still had former McD AA in Kyle Guy) and '16 Villanova (But still had 5-star, McD AA Jalen Brunson).

Eyeballing it, every other champion over the last 10 years had multiple McD AAs and the only champion in the last 30 years without a McD AA is maybe '02 Maryland

I think Byron Mouton might have been McD AA

Didn't he start out at Tulane and transfer to Maryland?

Also, the UVA team will have what, maybe 3 guys at least from that team spend some time in the NBA.

I think the 2016 Nova team had several kids get to the league.

I think the 2002 Maryland team had at least 4 kids spend some time in the NBA - Dixon, Blake, Wilcox, and Baxter. May have been a few more.

All 3 great teams but true, not loaded with McD AA's. That Maryland team was lethal, deep, talented, and veterans.

Browning Hall, makes sense
Ike knows u get the best players u can get, if u land a one and done it's a problem u want to have.
Just please listen to Ike and recruit a Dude who can Bust the Trey Ball, Ike doesn't care if he's here a yr or
5 yrs. We need the TREY BALL