(08-10-2020 01:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:59 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 11:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I expect that the top five candidates for AAU expansion, whenever that next happens, are (alphabetically) Arizona State, Georgia, Miami, North Carolina State, & Virginia Tech.

When Nebraska got kicked out 10 years ago, the AAU had a ranking list. Nebraska was 109 and apparently Syracuse who dropped rather than being kicked out was 105. Next lowest was #94 and 2nd lowest #87. While things change over time, only Miami of those schools was ranked above #87.

At the time, the highest ranked non-members (not counting specialized schools like UC-San Francisco and Tufts):
31 Georgia Tech-now a member
37 Dartmouth-now a member
37 Boston U.-now a member

40 UAB
43 UMBC
(both high because of medical schools)

49 Utah-now a member
52 UC-Santa Cruz-now a member

Next 5 were:
55 RPI
57 Wake Forest
59 Miami
61 Illinois-Chicago
62 Cincinnati

There were 14 other schools ranked ahead of the AAU school at #87 (report didn't identify the names of the AAU schools).

That's interesting; I've never seen that ranking list. I remain highly skeptical that non-flagship universities like UMBC, UAB, USF, Cincy, UIC, etc. will be considered. Georgia has high research production and an excellent all-around faculty; they are missing only a medical school. The story is relatively similar at NC State, VT, and Arizona State as well. These institutions all look as strong as Utah, which was recently admitted. I haven't looked at postdocs, PhDs awarded, and such in a long time, but I have no reason to think those aren't going to be at similar levels.

I'm also interested in Oregon, which is a current AAU member. Their Federal research expenditures are amazingly low (just under $100m for 2017). I'm not sure if the NSF data doesn't capture something about Oregon, but I'd love to see how the AAU metrics work there.

List didn't identify AAU members by name. 17 of them were ranked between #52 UC-SC and #94,

ASU, NCSU and VPI were between #87 and #94. UGA was down at #110. Perhaps UGA's strongest school is Agriculture and Ag research grants are not counted as much because of the different methods of awarding them.

Do you have that entire list? At least in my field (business), UGA is highly perceived by other faculty, but we don't bring in giant grants like the hard science folks.

(08-10-2020 12:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 11:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I expect that the top five candidates for AAU expansion, whenever that next happens, are (alphabetically) Arizona State, Georgia, Miami, North Carolina State, & Virginia Tech.

When Nebraska got kicked out 10 years ago, the AAU had a ranking list. Nebraska was 109 and apparently Syracuse who dropped rather than being kicked out was 105. Next lowest was #94 and 2nd lowest #87. While things change over time, only Miami of those schools was ranked above #87.

At the time, the highest ranked non-members (not counting specialized schools like UC-San Francisco and Tufts):
31 Georgia Tech-now a member
37 Dartmouth-now a member
37 Boston U.-now a member

40 UAB
43 UMBC
(both high because of medical schools)

49 Utah-now a member
52 UC-Santa Cruz-now a member

Next 5 were:
55 RPI
57 Wake Forest
59 Miami
61 Illinois-Chicago
62 Cincinnati

There were 14 other schools ranked ahead of the AAU school at #87 (report didn't identify the names of the AAU schools).

This is the kind of data I’m talking about. Miami is not too far outside of AAU status and if they achieved it you could add it to the short list of names that the Big Ten would have interest in if the ACC were to get raided simultaneously by the SEC and Big Ten.

The SEC would be looking purely at what the financial impact a candidate’s athletic department would add but the Big Ten is going to have some academic considerations.

They could come in and add UVA, UNC, GT, and Miami for Southern exposure. ND and Pitt make 20.

Northeast: Ohio St, Penn St, Pitt, Rutgers, ND
Southeast: Maryland, UVA, UNC, GT, Miami
Central: Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
West: Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

(08-10-2020 01:13 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 01:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:59 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 11:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I expect that the top five candidates for AAU expansion, whenever that next happens, are (alphabetically) Arizona State, Georgia, Miami, North Carolina State, & Virginia Tech.

When Nebraska got kicked out 10 years ago, the AAU had a ranking list. Nebraska was 109 and apparently Syracuse who dropped rather than being kicked out was 105. Next lowest was #94 and 2nd lowest #87. While things change over time, only Miami of those schools was ranked above #87.

At the time, the highest ranked non-members (not counting specialized schools like UC-San Francisco and Tufts):
31 Georgia Tech-now a member
37 Dartmouth-now a member
37 Boston U.-now a member

40 UAB
43 UMBC
(both high because of medical schools)

49 Utah-now a member
52 UC-Santa Cruz-now a member

Next 5 were:
55 RPI
57 Wake Forest
59 Miami
61 Illinois-Chicago
62 Cincinnati

There were 14 other schools ranked ahead of the AAU school at #87 (report didn't identify the names of the AAU schools).

That's interesting; I've never seen that ranking list. I remain highly skeptical that non-flagship universities like UMBC, UAB, USF, Cincy, UIC, etc. will be considered. Georgia has high research production and an excellent all-around faculty; they are missing only a medical school. The story is relatively similar at NC State, VT, and Arizona State as well. These institutions all look as strong as Utah, which was recently admitted. I haven't looked at postdocs, PhDs awarded, and such in a long time, but I have no reason to think those aren't going to be at similar levels.

I'm also interested in Oregon, which is a current AAU member. Their Federal research expenditures are amazingly low (just under $100m for 2017). I'm not sure if the NSF data doesn't capture something about Oregon, but I'd love to see how the AAU metrics work there.

List didn't identify AAU members by name. 17 of them were ranked between #52 UC-SC and #94,

ASU, NCSU and VPI were between #87 and #94. UGA was down at #110. Perhaps UGA's strongest school is Agriculture and Ag research grants are not counted as much because of the different methods of awarding them.

Do you have that entire list? At least in my field (business), UGA is highly perceived by other faculty, but we don't bring in giant grants like the hard science folks.

Its probably still out there somewhere. There was an FOIA on Nebraska and the correspondence between the AAU and Nebraska's president Pearlman got released. One thing was a pdf with that chart.

(08-10-2020 01:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Northeast: Ohio St, Penn St, Pitt, Rutgers, ND
Southeast: Maryland, UVA, UNC, GT, Miami
Central: Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
West: Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

GT would only jump for that alignment under the following cirumstances:
- The ACC were collapsing and/or losing P5 status
- A phone call to Birmingham resulted in no movement
- A visit to the state capital resulted in no movement
- The B1G threw giant obscene bags of money around with the offer
- GT could still schedule 2 major OOC games every single year.

There's not enough South there to be attractive to GT.

(08-10-2020 01:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 12:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 11:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  I expect that the top five candidates for AAU expansion, whenever that next happens, are (alphabetically) Arizona State, Georgia, Miami, North Carolina State, & Virginia Tech.

When Nebraska got kicked out 10 years ago, the AAU had a ranking list. Nebraska was 109 and apparently Syracuse who dropped rather than being kicked out was 105. Next lowest was #94 and 2nd lowest #87. While things change over time, only Miami of those schools was ranked above #87.

At the time, the highest ranked non-members (not counting specialized schools like UC-San Francisco and Tufts):
31 Georgia Tech-now a member
37 Dartmouth-now a member
37 Boston U.-now a member

40 UAB
43 UMBC
(both high because of medical schools)

49 Utah-now a member
52 UC-Santa Cruz-now a member

Next 5 were:
55 RPI
57 Wake Forest
59 Miami
61 Illinois-Chicago
62 Cincinnati

There were 14 other schools ranked ahead of the AAU school at #87 (report didn't identify the names of the AAU schools).

This is the kind of data I’m talking about. Miami is not too far outside of AAU status and if they achieved it you could add it to the short list of names that the Big Ten would have interest in if the ACC were to get raided simultaneously by the SEC and Big Ten.

The SEC would be looking purely at what the financial impact a candidate’s athletic department would add but the Big Ten is going to have some academic considerations.

They could come in and add UVA, UNC, GT, and Miami for Southern exposure. ND and Pitt make 20.

Northeast: Ohio St, Penn St, Pitt, Rutgers, ND
Southeast: Maryland, UVA, UNC, GT, Miami
Central: Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
West: Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

We don't need the B1G!

As reported in the survey, Carolina has again surpassed $1 billion in annual research and development expenditures, and the university’s ranking for federal research R&D expenditures rose from sixth to fifth in the nation. Of the $1.1 billion Carolina expended in research activity this fiscal year, $676 million was sponsored by the federal government through agencies such as the National Institutes of Health. For overall R&D expenditures from all sources, the university ranked 11th nationally among all research institutions and sixth nationally among public institutions.


http://news.unchealthcare.org/news/2018/...ch-funding

https://www.unc.edu/posts/2020/07/21/unc...1-billion/