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RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football
(08-06-2020 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
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(08-06-2020 08:59 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No Navy/ND game for the first time in 93 years.

Bummer.

Really disappointed with Notre Dame on this one. Even if it ment it was the only game on the schedule Notre Dame should have played Navy. There is something to be said about loyalty, and Notre Dame didnt live up to the ideals with this one. I’m not sure I will watch a single Notre Dame game this year.

How do you know it wasn't Navy being unwilling to give up a home game?

ACC scheduling rules for 2020 precluded ND going to Annapolis.

To be able to play that game on that date, Navy would have had to go to South Bend or play ND in an ACC state.

Navy would undoubtedly prefer to play ND at home, or at a neutral site where Navy gets the revenue like they were planning to do in 2020. Maybe Navy will get the home game next season.

Also, if Navy is playing only two non-con games this fall, they might have wanted to reserve those places for Army and Air Force.
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Navy is playing three. BYU replaced Notre Dame. I honestly expect Army to also play BYU.

Well if there is any college football this year, which I think there wont be.

ND meanwhile put nearby Western Michigan on the schedule as their OOC. ACC really surprised me by having non-rivalry OOC games. The only interesting one is UCF vs GT
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RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football
(08-06-2020 04:07 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:29 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 08:59 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No Navy/ND game for the first time in 93 years.

Bummer.

Really disappointed with Notre Dame on this one. Even if it ment it was the only game on the schedule Notre Dame should have played Navy. There is something to be said about loyalty, and Notre Dame didnt live up to the ideals with this one. I’m not sure I will watch a single Notre Dame game this year.

How do you know it wasn't Navy being unwilling to give up a home game?

ACC scheduling rules for 2020 precluded ND going to Annapolis.

To be able to play that game on that date, Navy would have had to go to South Bend or play ND in an ACC state.

Navy would undoubtedly prefer to play ND at home, or at a neutral site where Navy gets the revenue like they were planning to do in 2020. Maybe Navy will get the home game next season.

Also, if Navy is playing only two non-con games this fall, they might have wanted to reserve those places for Army and Air Force.

I presume it is probably Navy either reserving those spots for their 2 big rivals and wanting ND at home, not on the road.
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(08-06-2020 04:44 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Navy is playing three. BYU replaced Notre Dame. I honestly expect Army to also play BYU.

Well if there is any college football this year, which I think there wont be.

ND meanwhile put nearby Western Michigan on the schedule as their OOC. ACC really surprised me by having non-rivalry OOC games. The only interesting one is UCF vs GT

Western Michigan was already on the schedule, at ND.

It was just kept there, same date and all.
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RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football
(08-06-2020 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:29 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 08:59 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No Navy/ND game for the first time in 93 years.

Bummer.

Really disappointed with Notre Dame on this one. Even if it ment it was the only game on the schedule Notre Dame should have played Navy. There is something to be said about loyalty, and Notre Dame didnt live up to the ideals with this one. I’m not sure I will watch a single Notre Dame game this year.

How do you know it wasn't Navy being unwilling to give up a home game?

ACC scheduling rules for 2020 precluded ND going to Annapolis.

To be able to play that game on that date, Navy would have had to go to South Bend or play ND in an ACC state.

I assume it was Navy being unwilling to go to South Bend, but it's still the ACC's fault, because it was Navy's year to be the home team. If it's your turn to be the home team, you have every right to be unwilling to give that up.

FWIW, the very last part of your post is incorrect. The ACC rules said Navy would have had to travel to Indiana. The game didn't necessarily have to be in South Bend, it could have been in say Indianapolis, but it had to be in the home state of the ACC team being played, not just any ACC state.

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RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football
(08-06-2020 07:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:29 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 08:59 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No Navy/ND game for the first time in 93 years.

Bummer.

Really disappointed with Notre Dame on this one. Even if it ment it was the only game on the schedule Notre Dame should have played Navy. There is something to be said about loyalty, and Notre Dame didnt live up to the ideals with this one. I’m not sure I will watch a single Notre Dame game this year.

How do you know it wasn't Navy being unwilling to give up a home game?

ACC scheduling rules for 2020 precluded ND going to Annapolis.

To be able to play that game on that date, Navy would have had to go to South Bend or play ND in an ACC state.

I assume it was Navy being unwilling to go to South Bend, but it's still the ACC's fault, because it was Navy's year to be the home team. If it's your turn to be the home team, you have every right to be unwilling to give that up.

FWIW, the very last part of your post is incorrect. The ACC rules said Navy would have had to travel to Indiana. The game didn't necessarily have to be in South Bend, it could have been in say Indianapolis, but it had to be in the home state of the ACC team being played, not just any ACC state.

07-coffee3

Not a good start for ND being in a conference, first action by the ACC strong armed ND's only remaining rivalry game of 2020 off the schedule.
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RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football
(08-06-2020 07:25 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 07:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:29 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 08:59 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No Navy/ND game for the first time in 93 years.

Bummer.

Really disappointed with Notre Dame on this one. Even if it ment it was the only game on the schedule Notre Dame should have played Navy. There is something to be said about loyalty, and Notre Dame didnt live up to the ideals with this one. I’m not sure I will watch a single Notre Dame game this year.

How do you know it wasn't Navy being unwilling to give up a home game?

ACC scheduling rules for 2020 precluded ND going to Annapolis.

To be able to play that game on that date, Navy would have had to go to South Bend or play ND in an ACC state.

I assume it was Navy being unwilling to go to South Bend, but it's still the ACC's fault, because it was Navy's year to be the home team. If it's your turn to be the home team, you have every right to be unwilling to give that up.

FWIW, the very last part of your post is incorrect. The ACC rules said Navy would have had to travel to Indiana. The game didn't necessarily have to be in South Bend, it could have been in say Indianapolis, but it had to be in the home state of the ACC team being played, not just any ACC state.

07-coffee3

Not a good start for ND being in a conference, first action by the ACC strong armed ND's only remaining rivalry game of 2020 off the schedule.

Yes, the ACC announced its 10+1 schedule plan with a lot of fanfare about preserving rivalries, but Notre Dame vs Navy is as big a rivalry as any of them, and it was given total short-shrift in their plan.
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RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football
(08-06-2020 07:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:29 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 08:59 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No Navy/ND game for the first time in 93 years.

Bummer.

Really disappointed with Notre Dame on this one. Even if it ment it was the only game on the schedule Notre Dame should have played Navy. There is something to be said about loyalty, and Notre Dame didnt live up to the ideals with this one. I’m not sure I will watch a single Notre Dame game this year.

How do you know it wasn't Navy being unwilling to give up a home game?

ACC scheduling rules for 2020 precluded ND going to Annapolis.

To be able to play that game on that date, Navy would have had to go to South Bend or play ND in an ACC state.

I assume it was Navy being unwilling to go to South Bend, but it's still the ACC's fault, because it was Navy's year to be the home team. If it's your turn to be the home team, you have every right to be unwilling to give that up.

FWIW, the very last part of your post is incorrect. The ACC rules said Navy would have had to travel to Indiana. The game didn't necessarily have to be in South Bend, it could have been in say Indianapolis, but it had to be in the home state of the ACC team being played, not just any ACC state.

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The details of what options were explored or offered or rejected may never be known for sure by those of us (i.e. EVERYONE on these or other message boards) NOT in the room where it happened.
My preference would obviously have been NMCMS. That would have required a THIRD party to approve, beyond the schools, so it is what it is.
A Navy "home" game in Indianapolis would have been okay - much like any other Navy home game in an NFL stadium, AND would have delivered valuable content to the AAC-ESPN contract. There are any number of reasons that could have just been too hard - maybe even if both institutions wanted that.
2020 game in South Bend would have made me queasy - whether pretending Navy was the home team or juggling a couple years of the rotation. But as a fan, I probably still would have preferred that to ending the longest continuous intersectional rivalry in college football.
My initial reaction was to call ND cowards or fools or both, but I guess Ive stepped back from that. Maybe I'll pull it out at some later date.
BYU is a meh+ consolation prize.
Extension to 2032 may mean more to me than the addition of BYU home and home does.

I guess I'll say "yes" if the ticket office offers me a shot at the Labor Day game. Heck novelty of a night game is a thing, I guess.

Still disappointed overall.
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Navy is flying to Provo, Utah to face BYU in place of Notre Dame.

How is that better than flying to South Bend, Indiana?
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(08-06-2020 09:10 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Navy is flying to Provo, Utah to face BYU in place of Notre Dame.

How is that better than flying to South Bend, Indiana?

Isn't it the other way around? BYU is the visitor?

I thought that game was still in Annapolis.
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you're right. I read it backwards.

ND wanted to play in Ireland. When that was off, so was the game.
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(08-06-2020 07:25 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 07:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:29 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 08:59 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No Navy/ND game for the first time in 93 years.

Bummer.

Really disappointed with Notre Dame on this one. Even if it ment it was the only game on the schedule Notre Dame should have played Navy. There is something to be said about loyalty, and Notre Dame didnt live up to the ideals with this one. I’m not sure I will watch a single Notre Dame game this year.

How do you know it wasn't Navy being unwilling to give up a home game?

ACC scheduling rules for 2020 precluded ND going to Annapolis.

To be able to play that game on that date, Navy would have had to go to South Bend or play ND in an ACC state.

I assume it was Navy being unwilling to go to South Bend, but it's still the ACC's fault, because it was Navy's year to be the home team. If it's your turn to be the home team, you have every right to be unwilling to give that up.

FWIW, the very last part of your post is incorrect. The ACC rules said Navy would have had to travel to Indiana. The game didn't necessarily have to be in South Bend, it could have been in say Indianapolis, but it had to be in the home state of the ACC team being played, not just any ACC state.

07-coffee3

Not a good start for ND being in a conference, first action by the ACC strong armed ND's only remaining rivalry game of 2020 off the schedule.

Whiskey...Notre Dame knew what they were getting. Is it the ACC's fault that Notre Dame has an 11 game schedule and full distribution of ACC TV money this year and access to all the bowls? I think ND came out very well.

Not playing Navy one year isn't the end of the world...heck we aren't even sure limited fans will be allowed and games played. Strange times...
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(08-06-2020 11:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  you're right. I read it backwards.

ND wanted to play in Ireland. When that was off, so was the game.

On what planet?

There are these things like Covid and an ACC schedule mandate that you seem to have forgotten.

Anti-ND bias is a powerful thing, facts be damned.

The game was scheduled for Annapolis after Dublin was scrapped.

ND joining a conference, with conference restrictions, killed that game.

See why ND doesn't want to join a football conference? Too damn restrictive.
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(08-07-2020 07:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 11:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  you're right. I read it backwards.

ND wanted to play in Ireland. When that was off, so was the game.

On what planet?

There are these things like Covid and an ACC schedule mandate that you seem to have forgotten.

Anti-ND bias is a powerful thing, facts be damned.

The game was scheduled for Annapolis after Dublin was scrapped.

ND joining a conference, with conference restrictions, killed that game.

See why ND doesn't want to join a football conference? Too damn restrictive.

Newsflash Terry...you joined one04-cheers

At least for a year03-lmfao
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(08-07-2020 08:14 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-07-2020 07:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 11:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  you're right. I read it backwards.

ND wanted to play in Ireland. When that was off, so was the game.

On what planet?

There are these things like Covid and an ACC schedule mandate that you seem to have forgotten.

Anti-ND bias is a powerful thing, facts be damned.

The game was scheduled for Annapolis after Dublin was scrapped.

ND joining a conference, with conference restrictions, killed that game.

See why ND doesn't want to join a football conference? Too damn restrictive.

Newsflash Terry...you joined one04-cheers

At least for a year03-lmfao

Yeah, and I am saying...see the fallout?

Too restrictive.

But some guys want to knee jerk react and immediately blame ND for the Navy game cancellation.
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(08-07-2020 07:42 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 07:25 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 07:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:29 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  Really disappointed with Notre Dame on this one. Even if it ment it was the only game on the schedule Notre Dame should have played Navy. There is something to be said about loyalty, and Notre Dame didnt live up to the ideals with this one. I’m not sure I will watch a single Notre Dame game this year.

How do you know it wasn't Navy being unwilling to give up a home game?

ACC scheduling rules for 2020 precluded ND going to Annapolis.

To be able to play that game on that date, Navy would have had to go to South Bend or play ND in an ACC state.

I assume it was Navy being unwilling to go to South Bend, but it's still the ACC's fault, because it was Navy's year to be the home team. If it's your turn to be the home team, you have every right to be unwilling to give that up.

FWIW, the very last part of your post is incorrect. The ACC rules said Navy would have had to travel to Indiana. The game didn't necessarily have to be in South Bend, it could have been in say Indianapolis, but it had to be in the home state of the ACC team being played, not just any ACC state.

07-coffee3

Not a good start for ND being in a conference, first action by the ACC strong armed ND's only remaining rivalry game of 2020 off the schedule.

Whiskey...Notre Dame knew what they were getting. Is it the ACC's fault that Notre Dame has an 11 game schedule and full distribution of ACC TV money this year and access to all the bowls? I think ND came out very well.

Not playing Navy one year isn't the end of the world...heck we aren't even sure limited fans will be allowed and games played. Strange times...

They obviously take the shelter this year and be thankful for it. What I'm saying is the Navy game is very important to ND and having to cancel it because the ACC voted to make their +1 game an in state game is a prime example of why they prefer independence. The 6 game scheduling agreement they have with the ACC is the most they're willing to do and it's more than any other conference would get from them.
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(08-07-2020 12:24 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-07-2020 08:14 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-07-2020 07:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 11:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  you're right. I read it backwards.

ND wanted to play in Ireland. When that was off, so was the game.

On what planet?

There are these things like Covid and an ACC schedule mandate that you seem to have forgotten.

Anti-ND bias is a powerful thing, facts be damned.

The game was scheduled for Annapolis after Dublin was scrapped.

ND joining a conference, with conference restrictions, killed that game.

See why ND doesn't want to join a football conference? Too damn restrictive.

Newsflash Terry...you joined one04-cheers

At least for a year03-lmfao

Yeah, and I am saying...see the fallout?

Too restrictive.

But some guys want to knee jerk react and immediately blame ND for the Navy game cancellation.

Covid screwed with the OOC scheduling this year but under normal circumstances, if ND joined the ACC they’d play a handful of opponents annually, the rest on a rotating basis, and then an OOC schedule of:

USC, Navy, G5 buy game, and a big name Big Ten/SEC/Big 12 opponent.

That’s not bad at all. It’s just a matter of easing the Irish faithful over that psychological speed bump that prevents them from grasping that conference membership works for everyone else and can for them too.
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(08-07-2020 12:37 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  
(08-07-2020 07:42 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 07:25 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 07:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  How do you know it wasn't Navy being unwilling to give up a home game?

ACC scheduling rules for 2020 precluded ND going to Annapolis.

To be able to play that game on that date, Navy would have had to go to South Bend or play ND in an ACC state.

I assume it was Navy being unwilling to go to South Bend, but it's still the ACC's fault, because it was Navy's year to be the home team. If it's your turn to be the home team, you have every right to be unwilling to give that up.

FWIW, the very last part of your post is incorrect. The ACC rules said Navy would have had to travel to Indiana. The game didn't necessarily have to be in South Bend, it could have been in say Indianapolis, but it had to be in the home state of the ACC team being played, not just any ACC state.

07-coffee3

Not a good start for ND being in a conference, first action by the ACC strong armed ND's only remaining rivalry game of 2020 off the schedule.

Whiskey...Notre Dame knew what they were getting. Is it the ACC's fault that Notre Dame has an 11 game schedule and full distribution of ACC TV money this year and access to all the bowls? I think ND came out very well.

Not playing Navy one year isn't the end of the world...heck we aren't even sure limited fans will be allowed and games played. Strange times...

They obviously take the shelter this year and be thankful for it. What I'm saying is the Navy game is very important to ND and having to cancel it because the ACC voted to make their +1 game an in state game is a prime example of why they prefer independence. The 6 game scheduling agreement they have with the ACC is the most they're willing to do and it's more than any other conference would get from them.

The conferences have no power over teams' nonconference slate; all they can do is make recommendations.

If Notre Dame told the ACC, "We're playing Navy in Maryland," within an hour the ACC would have granted Notre Dame an exception to their ridiculous rule.

Do you honestly think the ACC would have kicked Notre Dame off their schedule this year just because of a game in Maryland?

Bottom line: the reason this game isn't happening is because Notre Dame decided they'd rather play a home game against Western Michigan than play in Annapolis.
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(08-07-2020 02:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(08-07-2020 12:37 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  
(08-07-2020 07:42 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 07:25 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  
(08-06-2020 07:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I assume it was Navy being unwilling to go to South Bend, but it's still the ACC's fault, because it was Navy's year to be the home team. If it's your turn to be the home team, you have every right to be unwilling to give that up.

FWIW, the very last part of your post is incorrect. The ACC rules said Navy would have had to travel to Indiana. The game didn't necessarily have to be in South Bend, it could have been in say Indianapolis, but it had to be in the home state of the ACC team being played, not just any ACC state.

07-coffee3

Not a good start for ND being in a conference, first action by the ACC strong armed ND's only remaining rivalry game of 2020 off the schedule.

Whiskey...Notre Dame knew what they were getting. Is it the ACC's fault that Notre Dame has an 11 game schedule and full distribution of ACC TV money this year and access to all the bowls? I think ND came out very well.

Not playing Navy one year isn't the end of the world...heck we aren't even sure limited fans will be allowed and games played. Strange times...

They obviously take the shelter this year and be thankful for it. What I'm saying is the Navy game is very important to ND and having to cancel it because the ACC voted to make their +1 game an in state game is a prime example of why they prefer independence. The 6 game scheduling agreement they have with the ACC is the most they're willing to do and it's more than any other conference would get from them.

The conferences have no power over teams' nonconference slate; all they can do is make recommendations.

If Notre Dame told the ACC, "We're playing Navy in Maryland," within an hour the ACC would have granted Notre Dame an exception to their ridiculous rule.

Do you honestly think the ACC would have kicked Notre Dame off their schedule this year just because of a game in Maryland?

Bottom line: the reason this game isn't happening is because Notre Dame decided they'd rather play a home game against Western Michigan than play in Annapolis.

ACC rules prohibited ND from playing at Annapolis. The game would have had to be played in Indiana, presumably as an ND home game, but potentially I suppose at a neutral site as a Navy home game.

My guess is that the primary factors in ND's decision were 1) ND was on the hook to pay WMU for a buy game, regardless of whether it was played; and 2) ND is committed to providing NBC 7 games every season or having their rights fees reduced. Playing Navy would have meant giving up a paying home game in a future year with no obligation to make a guaranty payment since Navy is an alternating home and home series. If ND wanted to play WMU in a future year, they would have to make a second guaranty payment.
Playing Navy as a Navy home game at a neutral site in Indiana (as required by the ACC) would also have meant providing NBC with only 5 home games, not 6 as they are doing or 7 as they have promised to do, thereby suffering a two game reduction in payments.
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