(07-27-2020 06:22 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 05:45 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  First off WTF is a SJW...I let it go a few times...Now I have to ask.

Secondly most people are just throwing up strawmen and pounding their chests. No has ever said...Oh yeah I support rioting/looting...But when you ask that question no one answers because it is deemed silly and counterproductive to even talk about.

Its not a strawman to point out the woke progressives and BLM are rioting, looting and destroying/vandalizing cities and monuments in dozens of cites nationwide. Its not a stawman man to point that the real victims of this are the poor minority Americans in these communities. Nor is it chest pounding or taking a side, or not listening to others or any other lame excuse you keep trying to use as a deflection.

You contentiously trying to frame it as such is what is silly and counterproductive. I brought them up and everyone saw the petty reactions to it.

(07-27-2020 05:45 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  and I bring up religion when I am not on the PR forum with you because you seem so angry and for someone as devout as yourself it doesn't make sense to me...I make a post about how we need to be more understanding you freakin' lose it...I just don't understand it.

Finally for your information...I consider myself a christian...So it is OUR religion...I just see it very differently than you do.

"He mad!!!"
"Your a racist!!!"
That is literally all you guys can muster. These are the most obvious cop outs and deflections known to man in the internet age.

I made fair points, everyone saw the petty reactions they triggered from certain posters. I'm not the one who lacks the ability to listen and understand or engage in a serious discussion on this. That could not be made more obvious than it was in this thread.

Lastly, I have been reading your posts for several years. You really don't know the first thing about Christianity or what it is to be a Christian on any level, even the most basic. Nor can you be a Christian if you believe good deeds alone can get you into heaven even without Jesus (which you have argued here). Jesus made clear He is the way, the truth and the life and there is no other way to the Father but through HIM. If you reject that then you reject the Jesus of the Bible and have created your own Jesus and religion. You have never one shared the gospel or anything in the Bible with anyone here. In fact you have openly mocked and trolled when I have shared the Bible and the gospel here. The only time you ever pretend to be Christian is times like now when you are trying to deflect away from the fact that you can't have a single discussion with me without dragging my religion into it. You always vomit this crap up as a last resort when you have nothing else left.

Its just really tired and sad at this point.

Again...No one here is saying that Rioting and Looting is right...Yet that what you want to talk about. It is a strawman...You take the most extreme of a conversation and that is what you want to discuss...No one is defending those things...Look up strawman.

Most of the people on this forum are christians...

You cant expect someone listen to you preach than turn around and fly off the handle in a second.

Yes I have made fun of some of your views about the bible...Because they are fringe theories that you want to shove down everyones throat.

And you are talking about being triggered...Read my responses in this thread and red yours...Who is triggered?

Finally if you believe the kid in North Korea is going to hell if he never was introduced to Christianity...Then have at it. It is so contrary everything that is good...I don't accept that and never will. If that means I burn in hell...So be it.

lol There used to be a Limbo for the souls that died unchristianated

I still wanna know who Adam and Eve’s kids married. I asked that question out loud in First Grade Religion class—an egregious miscalculation on my part, lol

(07-27-2020 07:27 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 07:11 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Again...No one is saying that Rioting and Looting is right...Yet that what you want to talk about. It is a strawman...You take the most extreme of a conversation and that is what you want to discuss...No one is defending those things...Look up strawman.

Most of the people on this forum are christians...

You cant expect someone listen to you preach than turn around and fly off the handle in a second.

Yes I have made fun of some of your views about the bible...Because they are fringe theories that you want to shove down everyones throat.

And you are talking about being triggered...Read my responses in this thread and red yours...

Who is triggered?

Fringe theories?

Jesus being the way the truth and the life and the only way to the father is not a "fringe theory", its the most basic and core belief in Christianity for 2000 years now. You have stated your rejection of that pretty clearly in previous threads.

Unrepentant Muslims, Buddists, Hindus and atheists do not find salvation through good deeds, That is not a "fringe theory" that is Christianity 101 on the most basic and core level for 2000 years now. You have made clear several times you fully reject it.

THOSE are the things you have most often attack and trolled about. You openly reject even the most basic concepts of Christianity. You don't even know what they are, you had to ask me. You literally nothing about any of it.

You're not remotely a Christian, you're a con man. And its REALLY obvious.

You know you have posted some really fringe things on the P&R board.

I didn't make fun of that belief about accepting Jesus as the only way to Christ...I just challenged it.

But back on topic.

You wanting to classify the other side as looting, rioting and destroyers of cities is equal to The other side wanting to classify you as racist and Nazis. Keep contributing to that dialog...

The rest of us will try to have a discussion of real issues in the middle.

Part of my response got cropped off so here it is again:

(07-27-2020 07:11 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Finally if you believe the kid in North Korea is going to hell if he never was introduced to Christianity...Then have at it. It is so contrary everything that is good...I don't accept that and never will. If that means I burn in hell...So be it.

We have already had this discussion multiple times.

1- Children do not have to know Jesus or even be saved if they die as a child. ALL children who have died throughout history are in heaven with God right now., No child has ever gone to hell or ever will.

2- there is not one person on this earth who has a heart to believe in Jesus that God will not speak to and revealed himself to. No matter what country they live or if they never hear the gospel, though nearly everyone who can be saved will hear the gospel at some point in their life.
Even in places like North Korea and China, where we already know there are underground churches and Christians.

If you really were a Christian and knew Jesus, you would already know these things instead of using them as an excuse to reject the Gospel and the Jesus of the Bible to create your own in its place.

(07-27-2020 07:11 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Again...No one is saying that Rioting and Looting is right...Yet that what you want to talk about. It is a strawman...You take the most extreme of a conversation and that is what you want to discuss...No one is defending those things...Look up strawman.

Most of the people on this forum are christians...

You cant expect someone listen to you preach than turn around and fly off the handle in a second.

Yes I have made fun of some of your views about the bible...Because they are fringe theories that you want to shove down everyones throat.

And you are talking about being triggered...Read my responses in this thread and red yours...

Who is triggered?

Fringe theories?

Jesus being the way the truth and the life and the only way to the father is not a "fringe theory", its the most basic and core belief in Christianity for 2000 years now. You have stated your rejection of that pretty clearly in previous threads.

Unrepentant Muslims, Buddists, Hindus and atheists do not find salvation through good deeds, That is not a "fringe theory" that is Christianity 101 on the most basic and core level for 2000 years now. You have made clear several times you fully reject it.

THOSE are the things you have most often attacked and trolled about. The very core and central parts of the Gospel. You openly reject even the most basic concepts of Christianity. You don't even know what they are, you had to ask me. You literally nothing about any of it.

You're not remotely a Christian, you're a con man. And its REALLY obvious

(07-27-2020 12:54 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  I'm having fun, actually.

What's your excuse? A black person moved onto your street this month?

Let me get this straight...you’ll vote for Hillary,Biden etc who’s all up the jock of an ex kkk member but you’ll roast anyone on this rupp subject? That just blows my mind and makes me laugh my ass off at y’alls stupidity...maybe snow tiger can answer the question?

(07-27-2020 07:24 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  lol There used to be a Limbo for the souls that died unchristianated

I still wanna know who Adam and Eve’s kids married. I asked that question out loud in First Grade Religion class—an egregious miscalculation on my part, lol

There have been a lot of false religions parading as Christianity over the last 2000 years, just as there are a lot of fake woke progressive SJW's who LOVE to feign tolerance and respect for those with different beliefs or backgrounds, but in practice often show how disdainful & intolerant they really are for those people and their beliefs.

Isn't that interesting?

(07-27-2020 08:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 07:24 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  lol There used to be a Limbo for the souls that died unchristianated

I still wanna know who Adam and Eve’s kids married. I asked that question out loud in First Grade Religion class—an egregious miscalculation on my part, lol

There have been a lot of false religions parading as Christianity over the last 2000 years, just as there are a lot of fake woke progressive SJW's who LOVE to feign tolerance and respect for those with different beliefs or backgrounds, but in practice often show how disdainful & intolerant they really are for those people and their beliefs.

Isn't that interesting?

Back on Topic.

You wanting to say all the woke people are Rioters, looters and destroyers of cites is the same as the Left saying all those wanting to preserve statues as Racist and Nazis...You both are trying to present the other side as the Extreme minority of the population.

So yeah...You are just like them...Just on the other side of the argument.

(07-26-2020 04:49 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(07-26-2020 08:42 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 03:05 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Ignoring our past doesn't change it.

Isn't there a saying, if you don't remember your past, you're bound to repeat it? Something like that?

Do you get your history from statues?

Because growing up, I had (and have) a litany of resources to reference the past and learn.

Statues have never been something I have used to learn anything from.

I'm saying statues can represent what was and how it's changed. I'm very much against taking down these statues that represent great leaders of the confederate military. I'm a northerner/yankee. My mother is from Mississippi/Memphis. I'm very proud of my Northern and Southern heritage.

Don't let these a$$hole Yanks, and screwball soyboys (I live in the west now) erase our Southern history. It's a great history. I met a lot more racists in Chicago growing up than I did in Memphis going to college. Don't let them take down your statues. Don't!

(07-27-2020 08:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Back on Topic.

You wanting to say all the woke people are Rioters, looters and destroyers of cites is the same as the Left saying all those wanting to preserve statues as Racist and Nazis...You both are trying to present the other side as the Extreme minority of the population.

So yeah...You are just like them...Just on the other side of the argument.

You insisted on dragging religion into the thread, and it blew up in your face yet again.

Now you are just going to flat out lie about things I never even said.

No were did I remotely suggest all woke people are rioters. I have NEVER suggest ALL woke people are rioters, much less even thought such a thing.

You're a liar and a con man.

(07-27-2020 08:57 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 08:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Back on Topic.

You wanting to say all the woke people are Rioters, looters and destroyers of cites is the same as the Left saying all those wanting to preserve statues as Racist and Nazis...You both are trying to present the other side as the Extreme minority of the population.

So yeah...You are just like them...Just on the other side of the argument.

You insisted on dragging religion into the thread, and it blew up in your face yet again.

Now you are just going to flat out lie about things I never even said.

No were did I remotely suggest all woke people are rioters. I have NEVER suggest ALL woke people are rioters, much less even thought such a thing.

Lies, lies and more lies. You're a con man.

Lol...You want to talk about rioters and looters...The other side want to talk about racist and Nazis.

Same argument...Different sides...Both strawmen.

And no religion did not blow up in my face. I didn't want to post it because I didn't feel like looking it up... But didn't a Pope indicate that you don't have to be a christian to be saved.

Quote:“You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

(07-27-2020 07:45 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:54 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  I'm having fun, actually.

What's your excuse? A black person moved onto your street this month?

Let me get this straight...you’ll vote for Hillary,Biden etc who’s all up the jock of an ex kkk member but you’ll roast anyone on this rupp subject? That just blows my mind and makes me laugh my ass off at y’alls stupidity...maybe snow tiger can answer the question?

I've never voted for either of those people.

(07-27-2020 09:01 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Lol...You want to talk about rioters and looters...The other side want to talk about racist and Nazis.

Same argument...Different sides...Both strawmen.

Well you obviously feel that if you keep repeating lies then they will magically become reality. Its doesn't work that way though.

(07-27-2020 09:01 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  And no religion did not blow up in my face. I didn't want to post it because I didn't feel like looking it up... But didn't a Pope indicate that you don't have to be a christian to be saved.

Quote:“You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

Its still blowing up in your face. Apparently you aren't even aware that there was no pope in the early church or the Bible, that the pope was a created position and figure some 700+ years after Christ. There have been popes who were known murders, torturers, even child molesters and some of the most wicked and evil men on the earth when the lived.

Nearly all Christians from the time of Christ for 2000 years now have taught that there is no salvation outside of Jesus and the gospel. That is the CENTRAL point of the Gospel and all of Christianity.

For you to even argue this point, much less quote a random pope as evidence just shows how clueless and out of your element you are on Christianity.

You continue to expose what a liar and con man you really are.

(07-27-2020 09:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 09:01 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  And no religion did not blow up in my face. I didn't want to post it because I didn't feel like looking it up... But didn't a Pope indicate that you don't have to be a christian to be saved.

Quote:“You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

Its still blowing up in your face. Apparently you aren't even aware that there was no pope in the early chruch or the Bible, that the people was a created position and figure some 700+ years after Christ. There have been popes who were known murders, tortures, even child molesters and some of the most wicked and evil men on the earth when the lives.

Nearly all Christian from the time of Christ for 2000 year now have taught that there is no salvation outside of Jesus and the gospel. That is the CENTRAL point of the Gospel and all of Christianity.

For you to even argue this point, much less quote a random pope on all this as evidence just shows how clueless and out of your element you are on Christianity.

You continue to expose what a liar and con man you really are.

You do realize that quote was from 2013...Not a random Pope...The current Pope...But hey to each his own.

So your argument of popes any many other theologians discussing the same topic I posed is that there were popes that murdered people. The people who have dedicated themselves to learning the word of god for life have pondered this same question.

You see my thoughts are not as insane as you want to frame them to be.

It is the 21st century it is Ok to be a free thinker...Regardless of what Eric wants you to believe.

(07-27-2020 09:45 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You do realize that quote was from 2013...

So your argument of popes any many other theologians discussing the same topic I posed is that there were popes that murdered people. The people who have dedicated themselves to learning the word of god.

You see my thougts are not as insane as you want to frame them to be.

It could be from 1013, it makes no difference. What in the world makes you think it does? Most Christians are well are the current pope is not a Christian and tells billions of atheist and Muslims they don't need Jesus for salvation. There have been countless threads and discussions here on it the last few years, its only news to you for obvious reasons.

You are making a fool of yourself and don't have the first clue about what you are talking about. You don't even know the most basic things Jesus taught. You are about as Christian as I am an atheist.

Here is what the Bible says:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. John 3:18

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12



You are a con man and a lair.

(07-27-2020 09:59 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 09:45 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You do realize that quote was from 2013...

So your argument of popes any many other theologians discussing the same topic I posed is that there were popes that murdered people. The people who have dedicated themselves to learning the word of god.

You see my thougts are not as insane as you want to frame them to be.

It could be from 1013, it makes no difference. You are making a fool of yourself and don't have the first clue about what you are talking about.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. John 3:18


You are a con man and a lair.

Keep quoting the bible and hurling insults...

I am posting facts, articles and trying to engage you in a discussion of what theologian have said on the subject yet you want no parts of it.

I tried to back out of this conversation because I understand some people really don't like religion to be challenged...but you wanted to continue.

And to your previous post of what christians believed for 2000 years...A great majority also believed slavery was totally cool until 200ish years ago and they read bible verses to support it as well.

I am far from the majority in my beliefs...And I understand that...I am cool with that. But I have never researched it before...

Thank you for that.

(07-27-2020 10:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Keep quoting the bible and hurling insults...

I am posting facts, articles and trying to engage you in a discussion.

If you are going to blatantly lie multiple times, then you can't play the victim card when you get called on it.

You have proven over and over you have no idea what the Bible teaches on ANYTHING, even the most basic concepts most children know.

This is not a serious discussion, this is you trolling and exposing what a disingenuous con man you really are.

Well done.

Well, this conversation has escalated quickly

(07-27-2020 09:13 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 07:45 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(07-27-2020 12:54 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  I'm having fun, actually.

What's your excuse? A black person moved onto your street this month?

Let me get this straight...you’ll vote for Hillary,Biden etc who’s all up the jock of an ex kkk member but you’ll roast anyone on this rupp subject? That just blows my mind and makes me laugh my ass off at y’alls stupidity...maybe snow tiger can answer the question?

I've never voted for either of those people.