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RE: If the P5 had a 30K attendance minimum...
(07-23-2020 11:33 AM)texoma Wrote:  
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(07-22-2020 04:54 PM)texoma Wrote:  I agree, but the poster suggested realignment was over except for some call ups. OU and Texas leaving the Big12 will cause serious realignment. That is a whole different story.

The attendance adjustment would be if the change happened right now. UCF is going to be expanding our on campus stadium soon, probably would have been announced this year with a start date/design but with the covid situation it will likely be bumped back. Not to mention that with P5 money the expansion would likely be to an even larger scale. I've been on a wait list for a suite for a long time, I was told they haven't had anyone not renew since the stadium was built so I'm pretty much waiting for them to build more and hope there's still one available when they get to my name on the list.

Being called up to the Big12 is not about attendance. It is about increasing the Big12 revenue. The Big12 currently distributes about
$40,000,000 to each school. Any team added will have to increase the revenue by at least that amount for the current members to just break even..

It seems the networks have indicated that none of the AAC schools considered does that.

For some reason this seems like a false narrative. Is Baylor actually worth 40million? When did Kansas state become that valuable? I think Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas basketball are brands :coffee3:worth the overall money. I don't think there's a network out there that would really care who was in the big12 as long as they were only going to be paying for a ten team league that has Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas basketball. 07-coffee307-coffee3


It is what it is. You can't change that. I agree about a ten team league with Oklahoma and Texas. However, Baylor and Kansas State are included and you can't change that. So is the Big12 suppose to kick Baylor and Kansas State out and add UCF and Memphis. That makes no sense. The suggestion was to add teams, which requires new revenue, that is not a false narrative.

Oh yes it is what it is. My point is that when fans of p5 teams start talking about "bringing 40 million dollars worth of value " a lot of them don't understand that most teams aren't really bringing that value. Texas,Oklahoma could hypothetical move to the AAC and guess what,,,,, suddenly Memphis and ECU are worth 40million per year. There are only about 15-20 teams bringing all of the value as far as TV is concerned. The rest of the p5 are actually just lucky enough to have been in association with the right programs at the right time..07-coffee3
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RE: If the P5 had a 30K attendance minimum...
(07-23-2020 12:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(07-23-2020 11:33 AM)texoma Wrote:  
(07-23-2020 11:18 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(07-23-2020 10:53 AM)texoma Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 05:40 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  The attendance adjustment would be if the change happened right now. UCF is going to be expanding our on campus stadium soon, probably would have been announced this year with a start date/design but with the covid situation it will likely be bumped back. Not to mention that with P5 money the expansion would likely be to an even larger scale. I've been on a wait list for a suite for a long time, I was told they haven't had anyone not renew since the stadium was built so I'm pretty much waiting for them to build more and hope there's still one available when they get to my name on the list.

Being called up to the Big12 is not about attendance. It is about increasing the Big12 revenue. The Big12 currently distributes about
$40,000,000 to each school. Any team added will have to increase the revenue by at least that amount for the current members to just break even..

It seems the networks have indicated that none of the AAC schools considered does that.

For some reason this seems like a false narrative. Is Baylor actually worth 40million? When did Kansas state become that valuable? I think Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas basketball are brands :coffee3:worth the overall money. I don't think there's a network out there that would really care who was in the big12 as long as they were only going to be paying for a ten team league that has Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas basketball. 07-coffee307-coffee3


It is what it is. You can't change that. I agree about a ten team league with Oklahoma and Texas. However, Baylor and Kansas State are included and you can't change that. So is the Big12 suppose to kick Baylor and Kansas State out and add UCF and Memphis. That makes no sense. The suggestion was to add teams, which requires new revenue, that is not a false narrative.

Oh yes it is what it is. My point is that when fans of p5 teams start talking about "bringing 40 million dollars worth of value " a lot of them don't understand that most teams aren't really bringing that value. Texas,Oklahoma could hypothetical move to the AAC and guess what,,,,, suddenly Memphis and ECU are worth 40million per year. There are only about 15-20 teams bringing all of the value as far as TV is concerned. The rest of the p5 are actually just lucky enough to have been in association with the right programs at the right time..07-coffee3

No, Memphis and ECU would not be worth 40 million. The current members of the Big12 are worth a whole lot more than Tulsa, Tulane, and all of the rest of the AAC.
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RE: If the P5 had a 30K attendance minimum...
(07-23-2020 11:33 AM)texoma Wrote:  
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(07-23-2020 10:53 AM)texoma Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 05:40 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 04:54 PM)texoma Wrote:  I agree, but the poster suggested realignment was over except for some call ups. OU and Texas leaving the Big12 will cause serious realignment. That is a whole different story.

The attendance adjustment would be if the change happened right now. UCF is going to be expanding our on campus stadium soon, probably would have been announced this year with a start date/design but with the covid situation it will likely be bumped back. Not to mention that with P5 money the expansion would likely be to an even larger scale. I've been on a wait list for a suite for a long time, I was told they haven't had anyone not renew since the stadium was built so I'm pretty much waiting for them to build more and hope there's still one available when they get to my name on the list.

Being called up to the Big12 is not about attendance. It is about increasing the Big12 revenue. The Big12 currently distributes about
$40,000,000 to each school. Any team added will have to increase the revenue by at least that amount for the current members to just break even..

It seems the networks have indicated that none of the AAC schools considered does that.

For some reason this seems like a false narrative. Is Baylor actually worth 40million? When did Kansas state become that valuable? I think Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas basketball are brands :coffee3:worth the overall money. I don't think there's a network out there that would really care who was in the big12 as long as they were only going to be paying for a ten team league that has Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas basketball. 07-coffee307-coffee3


It is what it is. You can't change that. I agree about a ten team league with Oklahoma and Texas. However, Baylor and Kansas State are included and you can't change that. So is the Big12 suppose to kick Baylor and Kansas State out and add UCF and Memphis. That makes no sense. The suggestion was to add teams, which requires new revenue, that is not a false narrative.

Houston can generate the revenue, but the little 10 is just scared that we would hurt the rest of the schools ability to recruit Houston athletes.
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Ruh-Roh!
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(07-23-2020 10:45 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
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(07-23-2020 08:21 AM)wylioats Wrote:  
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(07-22-2020 06:35 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ...then Vanderbilt, Duke and Wake Forest would all be out, probably replaced by UCF, East Carolina and Memphis. That still leaves Tennessee with two P5 teams, North Carolina actually drops from four to three, and Florida increases from three to four.

I would imagine plenty of SEC and ACC fans would just as soon make that swap now (although college presidents make those decisions and tend to be very clique-ish).

By my calculations,

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2020/...nimum.html

Q: do you think this kind of fan-based/market-driven realignment ever happens?
Do you think one or two current AAC teams gets "called up", all three, or none?

Curious what the fans on this board thinks (visitors please hold your comments).

To respond to your original question on I think it's unlikely but I do think it could happen. The Big East did it with Temple before they threw everything out and restarted their football program from scratch. All 3 you mentioned are founding members of their conferences which makes it more difficult. However the SEC fans are getting more vocal about Vandy's status and wanting them out. Wake Forest I could see being removed, easier when the schools athletic department has less value than the TV money alone. Duke is unique because of their hoops status. They likely wouldn't be interested in being a non FB member but if schools look at the 2 sports separately they would be removed as FB members. I can't see them pulling a Uconn and moving to the Big East since the ACC would still have dominance in hoops and their rivals are still in the conference.

TLDR: 2.5 out of 3. Vandy & Wake out completely, Duke non FB member. UCF, Memphis & Cincinnati in.

I think the AAC members break down like this:

Could get called up without major realignment
UCF - Ready now
Cincinnati - Ready now
[b]Memphis - Ready but lacking facilities
[/b]usf - They'd only be brought along if the Big 12 wanted 2 Florida teams. Lacks facilities, currently 10-20 years behind where UCF currently is in terms of facilities. Fickle fans (obviously excluding die hards who engage in message boards).

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Would need major realignment to get called up

Houston - Ready but only feasible conference is over-saturated with Texas teams.
Temple - Proven they can compete, the program revival has been amazing. Needs to address fan engagement/attendance. Philadelphia has blocked them from building an on campus stadium and the Eagles like to jerk them around on using their stadium.
ECU - Not ready yet. Having a rough run, back to back bad hires but a large loyal fanbase, has good facilities they're improving on.
SMU - Not ready yet, noticeably improving under Sonny Dykes.
Tulane - Not ready. Has a new on campus stadium, needs to carve out a fan base in NOLA.
Tulsa - will never be ready


Memphis not having the facilities? Really? You obviously haven't been keeping up. We just completed our IPF with all new coaches offices connected, have 3 outdoor practice fields, 2 grass and one artificial turf (same turf as the Liberty Bowl) and a state of the art weight room. Some of our recent recruit commitments have mentioned our facilities and commitment to football as one of the reasons they chose Memphis. Our new state of the art men's basketball facility is second to none in the country and better than most. Some of our local NBA team players have stated it's the best college basketball facility they've ever seen. I realize you weren't talking smack, but if Memphis isn't included in any expansion it won't be because of our facilities. Check it out if you're ever in Memphis, promise, you'll be surprised at how nice our facilities really are. GO TIGERS!!

Good notes, I should have been more detailed. I was looking at it more from an on campus stadium perspective. Mainly because I've lived both sides of it at UCF when we used to play in the citrus bowl. Driving into one of the worst parts of Orlando to play in a crap stadium sucked and seeing our gameday's now on campus it's 1000x better.
Although the Liberty bowl is off campus, it is literally only about 5minutes away in a car .04-cheers

Technically it's not on campus but c'mon. You can google map it and see it's just down the street on Southern which cuts through our campus.
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(07-23-2020 02:44 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  
(07-23-2020 10:56 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  The union representing Rutgers professors has filed a lawsuit against the university seeking an explanation of a $100 million transfer of funds by the university to the athletic department. Since the COVID-19 pandemic outbreak, the university has laid off 20% of the adjunct professors, asked other unions to accept furloughs and declared a fiscal emergency while the money is used to subsidize the athletic department.

Ruh-Roh!

They are biding time until B1G money rolls in. By 2030, they'll be a printing press if they play their cards right.
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(07-23-2020 10:56 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  The union representing Rutgers professors has filed a lawsuit against the university seeking an explanation of a $100 million transfer of funds by the university to the athletic department. Since the COVID-19 pandemic outbreak, the university has laid off 20% of the adjunct professors, asked other unions to accept furloughs and declared a fiscal emergency while the money is used to subsidize the athletic department.


A lot of the big boys are doing this right now.


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(07-23-2020 12:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(07-23-2020 11:33 AM)texoma Wrote:  
(07-23-2020 11:18 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(07-23-2020 10:53 AM)texoma Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 05:40 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  The attendance adjustment would be if the change happened right now. UCF is going to be expanding our on campus stadium soon, probably would have been announced this year with a start date/design but with the covid situation it will likely be bumped back. Not to mention that with P5 money the expansion would likely be to an even larger scale. I've been on a wait list for a suite for a long time, I was told they haven't had anyone not renew since the stadium was built so I'm pretty much waiting for them to build more and hope there's still one available when they get to my name on the list.

Being called up to the Big12 is not about attendance. It is about increasing the Big12 revenue. The Big12 currently distributes about
$40,000,000 to each school. Any team added will have to increase the revenue by at least that amount for the current members to just break even..

It seems the networks have indicated that none of the AAC schools considered does that.

For some reason this seems like a false narrative. Is Baylor actually worth 40million? When did Kansas state become that valuable? I think Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas basketball are brands :coffee3:worth the overall money. I don't think there's a network out there that would really care who was in the big12 as long as they were only going to be paying for a ten team league that has Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas basketball. 07-coffee307-coffee3


It is what it is. You can't change that. I agree about a ten team league with Oklahoma and Texas. However, Baylor and Kansas State are included and you can't change that. So is the Big12 suppose to kick Baylor and Kansas State out and add UCF and Memphis. That makes no sense. The suggestion was to add teams, which requires new revenue, that is not a false narrative.

Oh yes it is what it is. My point is that when fans of p5 teams start talking about "bringing 40 million dollars worth of value " a lot of them don't understand that most teams aren't really bringing that value. Texas,Oklahoma could hypothetical move to the AAC and guess what,,,,, suddenly Memphis and ECU are worth 40million per year. There are only about 15-20 teams bringing all of the value as far as TV is concerned. The rest of the p5 are actually just lucky enough to have been in association with the right programs at the right time..07-coffee3

This. ESPN determined that Louisville and Rutgers were only worth a few million dollars a year for media right. Switch conference patches and all of a sudden they were worth $25M each. Same could be said for your conference mate WVU— before the Big East blew up they were going to share in the new media deal that was going to pay them (and UC and USF btw) $13M a year. Again a conference patch later and they are with $30M or whatever your conference was making at the time. You see, this while valuation of programs like they are a commodity can be easily manipulated.
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(07-23-2020 12:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Oh yes it is what it is. My point is that when fans of p5 teams start talking about "bringing 40 million dollars worth of value " a lot of them don't understand that most teams aren't really bringing that value. Texas,Oklahoma could hypothetical move to the AAC and guess what,,,,, suddenly Memphis and ECU are worth 40million per year. There are only about 15-20 teams bringing all of the value as far as TV is concerned. The rest of the p5 are actually just lucky enough to have been in association with the right programs at the right time..07-coffee3

This. ESPN determined that Louisville and Rutgers were only worth a few million dollars a year for media right. Switch conference patches and all of a sudden they were worth $25M each. Same could be said for your conference mate WVU— before the Big East blew up they were going to share in the new media deal that was going to pay them (and UC and USF btw) $13M a year. Again a conference patch later and they are with $30M or whatever your conference was making at the time. You see, this while valuation of programs like they are a commodity can be easily manipulated.

TBH, the way it works is this: a conference says to ESPN "we're thinking about adding team X" and ESPN says to them, not what they think team X is worth, but what they think the entire conference with team X added would be worth. It's not quite the same thing.
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(07-23-2020 04:41 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-23-2020 12:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Oh yes it is what it is. My point is that when fans of p5 teams start talking about "bringing 40 million dollars worth of value " a lot of them don't understand that most teams aren't really bringing that value. Texas,Oklahoma could hypothetical move to the AAC and guess what,,,,, suddenly Memphis and ECU are worth 40million per year. There are only about 15-20 teams bringing all of the value as far as TV is concerned. The rest of the p5 are actually just lucky enough to have been in association with the right programs at the right time..07-coffee3

This. ESPN determined that Louisville and Rutgers were only worth a few million dollars a year for media right. Switch conference patches and all of a sudden they were worth $25M each. Same could be said for your conference mate WVU— before the Big East blew up they were going to share in the new media deal that was going to pay them (and UC and USF btw) $13M a year. Again a conference patch later and they are with $30M or whatever your conference was making at the time. You see, this while valuation of programs like they are a commodity can be easily manipulated.

TBH, the way it works is this: a conference says to ESPN "we're thinking about adding team X" and ESPN says to them, not what they think team X is worth, but what they think the entire conference with team X added would be worth. It's not quite the same thing.

Sure. But there is no master list somewhere that says, for example, that Cincinnati is worth $7M per year, and Washington State is worth $35M. Washington State is worth $35M because they are playing USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon and Washington every year. If they were sent packing to the MWC, the league's media deal would not jump up considerably because Washington State joined. Works the other way around as well--
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(07-22-2020 09:10 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  East Carolina in the ACC over Cincinnati... 03-lmfao

Cincy and UCONN still waiting for that invite....

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(07-22-2020 09:10 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  East Carolina in the ACC over Cincinnati... 03-lmfao

Cincy and UCONN still waiting for that invite....

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(07-22-2020 09:10 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  East Carolina in the ACC over Cincinnati... 03-lmfao

Cincy and UCONN still waiting for that invite....

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Well, I will say this:
(1) it's pretty clear which is which (in case you need help, UConn is in blue; plus, the UC guy looks like he's ready to go to work NOW)
(2) I can't say with any certainty that UC will get an invite, but they're probably at the top of the G5 list as far as the ACC is concerned...

Not a bad move for the ACC:
#15 Notre Dame
#16 Cincinnati

Of course, one or more Big XII teams would be more appealing to the ACC, I think.
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I do understand the article was basing the criteria strictly on attendance. I still got a chuckle out of the idea though. If ACC finds a way to entice Notre Dame, I do believe Cincinnati would be a good addition. We bridge the geographical gap between Notre Dame/Louisville and Pitt and add a strong market in a recruiting rich state. Notre Dame loves recruiting Cincinnati (big-time Catholic high school football here) and I think they would be on board with Cincinnati as #16 for that very reason. That said, I don't see it happening anytime in the next 5 years unfortunately.

I will add to the recruiting thing that maybe Notre Dame would feel the opposite -- that having Cincinnati elevated to the ACC would hurt their recruiting in the city. I guess it could go either way. It still makes a ton of sense to me though. We already have rivalries with Louisville and Pitt that would make for good TV matchups.
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The ACC feels like it's in limbo. It's either too big and stretched to far or it needs to fill in it's current geographic footprint and go to a pod system. They cover the area of 2 conferences since eating the old Big East. So the 2 solutions are splitting the conference or expanding the conference.

There are two ways the conference could split. Geographically with the Northeast reforming a conference while the ACC picks up southern teams. Or football first programs and basketball first programs. Which without digging in to much lets say the ACC members would split like this (Clemson being the only founding member to leave):
Football = FSU, Clemson, Louisville, GT, Pitt, Miami & VT
Basketball = UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Virginia, BC

For expansion let's assume that no one is leaving the SEC or Big 10. Picking up UCF, Cincinnati, West Virginia & Navy FB only allows the ACC to fill in the Atlantic coast with additional quality programs while bringing in existing rivalries between and allowing new ones to develop. West Virginia-Pitt, Cincinnati-Louisville, UCF-Miami.

I think either of those scenarios would involve UCF & Cincinnati for sure though.
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(07-27-2020 03:35 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  The ACC feels like it's in limbo. It's either too big and stretched to far or it needs to fill in it's current geographic footprint and go to a pod system. They cover the area of 2 conferences since eating the old Big East. So the 2 solutions are splitting the conference or expanding the conference.

There are two ways the conference could split. Geographically with the Northeast reforming a conference while the ACC picks up southern teams. Or football first programs and basketball first programs. Which without digging in to much lets say the ACC members would split like this (Clemson being the only founding member to leave):
Football = FSU, Clemson, Louisville, GT, Pitt, Miami & VT
Basketball = UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Virginia, BC

For expansion let's assume that no one is leaving the SEC or Big 10. Picking up UCF, Cincinnati, West Virginia & Navy FB only allows the ACC to fill in the Atlantic coast with additional quality programs while bringing in existing rivalries between and allowing new ones to develop. West Virginia-Pitt, Cincinnati-Louisville, UCF-Miami.

I think either of those scenarios would involve UCF & Cincinnati for sure though.

You raise a good point but I think the issue is cultural more than anything else. The old guard ACC resent having Syracuse, Pitt and BC in the conference as they are perceived as “Yankee Schools”. The old guard would prefer to be a 10 team conference. The later group knows this is how the southern wing of the conference feels too.

The problem is the northern ACC schools know they would never make money they are currently receiving with those 4 (5 if you add in Louisville) plus some of the better brands from the AAC. They would not have the bowl games and they would likely not get considered a power conference by the powers that be.
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(07-27-2020 05:59 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 03:35 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  The ACC feels like it's in limbo. It's either too big and stretched to far or it needs to fill in it's current geographic footprint and go to a pod system. They cover the area of 2 conferences since eating the old Big East. So the 2 solutions are splitting the conference or expanding the conference.

There are two ways the conference could split. Geographically with the Northeast reforming a conference while the ACC picks up southern teams. Or football first programs and basketball first programs. Which without digging in to much lets say the ACC members would split like this (Clemson being the only founding member to leave):
Football = FSU, Clemson, Louisville, GT, Pitt, Miami & VT
Basketball = UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Virginia, BC

For expansion let's assume that no one is leaving the SEC or Big 10. Picking up UCF, Cincinnati, West Virginia & Navy FB only allows the ACC to fill in the Atlantic coast with additional quality programs while bringing in existing rivalries between and allowing new ones to develop. West Virginia-Pitt, Cincinnati-Louisville, UCF-Miami.

I think either of those scenarios would involve UCF & Cincinnati for sure though.

You raise a good point but I think the issue is cultural more than anything else. The old guard ACC resent having Syracuse, Pitt and BC in the conference as they are perceived as “Yankee Schools”. The old guard would prefer to be a 10 team conference. The later group knows this is how the southern wing of the conference feels too.

The problem is the northern ACC schools know they would never make money they are currently receiving with those 4 (5 if you add in Louisville) plus some of the better brands from the AAC. They would not have the bowl games and they would likely not get considered a power conference by the powers that be.

Agreed, only way I see it working is with Penn State being in though to give them a blue blood to help prop up the conference while it gets established.
Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Penn St, Rutgers, Maryland, West Virginia & Temple give you enough to form a conference.
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RE: If the P5 had a 30K attendance minimum...
(07-27-2020 03:35 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  The ACC feels like it's in limbo. It's either too big and stretched to far or it needs to fill in it's current geographic footprint and go to a pod system. They cover the area of 2 conferences since eating the old Big East. So the 2 solutions are splitting the conference or expanding the conference.

There are two ways the conference could split. Geographically with the Northeast reforming a conference while the ACC picks up southern teams. Or football first programs and basketball first programs. Which without digging in to much lets say the ACC members would split like this (Clemson being the only founding member to leave):
Football = FSU, Clemson, Louisville, GT, Pitt, Miami & VT
Basketball = UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Virginia, BC

For expansion let's assume that no one is leaving the SEC or Big 10. Picking up UCF, Cincinnati, West Virginia & Navy FB only allows the ACC to fill in the Atlantic coast with additional quality programs while bringing in existing rivalries between and allowing new ones to develop. West Virginia-Pitt, Cincinnati-Louisville, UCF-Miami.

I think either of those scenarios would involve UCF & Cincinnati for sure though.

The problem with your scenario is that the ACC would most likely take Memphis over a 3rd Florida school. What could UCF bring to the table that FSU and Miami already aren't bringing in spades, not to mention there's no way in hades that those two are going to allow that. With Memphis they'd get a new market solidly in SEC country that would also bring a basketball program that would please the basketball side.
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(07-26-2020 12:05 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(07-25-2020 10:39 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 09:10 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  East Carolina in the ACC over Cincinnati... 03-lmfao

Cincy and UCONN still waiting for that invite....

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Ah, my first down vote. Thanks! Give me a ring when one of your revenue sports is relevant again.

Yep he gave me my first neg rep because I agreed with you that the ACC would take UC before ECU. I have a feeling he's a very short man.
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RE: If the P5 had a 30K attendance minimum...
(07-27-2020 10:14 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 03:35 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  The ACC feels like it's in limbo. It's either too big and stretched to far or it needs to fill in it's current geographic footprint and go to a pod system. They cover the area of 2 conferences since eating the old Big East. So the 2 solutions are splitting the conference or expanding the conference.

There are two ways the conference could split. Geographically with the Northeast reforming a conference while the ACC picks up southern teams. Or football first programs and basketball first programs. Which without digging in to much lets say the ACC members would split like this (Clemson being the only founding member to leave):
Football = FSU, Clemson, Louisville, GT, Pitt, Miami & VT
Basketball = UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Virginia, BC

For expansion let's assume that no one is leaving the SEC or Big 10. Picking up UCF, Cincinnati, West Virginia & Navy FB only allows the ACC to fill in the Atlantic coast with additional quality programs while bringing in existing rivalries between and allowing new ones to develop. West Virginia-Pitt, Cincinnati-Louisville, UCF-Miami.

I think either of those scenarios would involve UCF & Cincinnati for sure though.

The problem with your scenario is that the ACC would most likely take Memphis over a 3rd Florida school. What could UCF bring to the table that FSU and Miami already aren't bringing in spades, not to mention there's no way in hades that those two are going to allow that. With Memphis they'd get a new market solidly in SEC country that would also bring a basketball program that would please the basketball side.

The entire scenario was the ACC filling in it's existing area not expanding to another area. Besides currently being the biggest brand in their area the ACC could acquire UCF brings the central Florida marketplace which it has established itself in. Florida is the 3rd largest populous state and Miami and Tallahassee are very different from each other and central Florida. Another Florida trip for teams each year helps with recruits. I could go on and on.
I think Miami & FSU would welcome UCF; we're already successful in the state, Miami would benefit by having someone they can develop an in state & in conference rivalry with for their rivalry weekend. They both get another Florida program that's also football first to vote with.
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