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St. Thomas's D1 waiver has been approved
https://news.stthomas.edu/july-15-2020-press-release/

They're joining the Summit League, Pioneer Football League, and women's WCHA, with the men's hockey destination TBD.
07-15-2020 03:21 PM
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Great news for the Tommies
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YES! YES! YES!
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Good for them and good for the Summit League.
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Open the floodgates?
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A welcome addition to the Catholic Division I basketball scene. I’ll be shocked if their men’s hockey doesn’t become the 8th member of the new CCHA.
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(07-15-2020 03:48 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Open the floodgates?

Doubtful there will be many waivers granted. There are only a few schools that may even meet the requirements like UT Dallas and UC Santa Cruz. The academic juggernauts of Division III (Johns Hopkins, Washington U - St. Louis, Emory, Chicago, Cal Tech, MIT, NYU, Carnegie Mellon, etc.) are all intentionally Division III. If anything, the UAA - the conference to which most of these schools belong - would be a good landing spot for Rice if they ever choose to further de-emphasize athletics.
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(07-15-2020 03:58 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  A welcome addition to the Catholic Division I basketball scene. I’ll be shocked if their men’s hockey doesn’t become the 8th member of the new CCHA.

A bigger arena is needed for the NCHC.
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Interesting (but logical) that the Pioneer accepted them. I wonder if Dixie State and Tarleton State were rejected by the Pioneer. Or maybe they still want to offer FB scholarships and are hoping for Big Sky and Southland invites, respectively. Both conferences are quite full, with 13 and 11 FB members, but FWIW, Dixie and Tarleton would put each conference at an even number.
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(07-15-2020 04:26 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Interesting (but logical) that the Pioneer accepted them. I wonder if Dixie State and Tarleton State were rejected by the Pioneer. Or maybe they still want to offer FB scholarships and are hoping for Big Sky and Southland invites, respectively. Both conferences are quite full, with 13 and 11 FB members, but FWIW, Dixie and Tarleton would put each conference at an even number.

Given their D-III football success, St. Thomas could be immediately competitive in the Pioneer League.
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Pioneer makes the most sense. It saves them $5M in expense trying to field a scholarship team. Pioneer is essentially D-III since it's non scholarship, and mostly payed on small fields with minimal seating. They can probably still play their D-III rivals, the Johnnies, as Pioneer.
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(07-15-2020 04:26 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Interesting (but logical) that the Pioneer accepted them. I wonder if Dixie State and Tarleton State were rejected by the Pioneer. Or maybe they still want to offer FB scholarships and are hoping for Big Sky and Southland invites, respectively. Both conferences are quite full, with 13 and 11 FB members, but FWIW, Dixie and Tarleton would put each conference at an even number.

Both Dixie and Tarleton want scholarship football.

St. Thomas in the Pioneer adds another midwest school to go along with Drake, Dayton, Valpo and Butler, with Morehead not that far away either.

A southern trio of Steson, Davidson and Presby

Marist and San Diego are the outliers
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Pioneer is good for St Thomas now but I wouldn't be surprised to see them move to scholarship football when a spot opens up somewhere convenient.
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Welcome Tommies!

Most Denver fans are pleased with this private school addition to the Summit. Denver and STU are similar in many ways, and this certainly is a good step for the league to add another major city to its footprint for media and recruiting exposure.

Very pleased with the NCAA, the league office and schools and St. Thomas for making this happen.
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(07-15-2020 04:02 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-15-2020 03:48 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Open the floodgates?

Doubtful there will be many waivers granted. There are only a few schools that may even meet the requirements like UT Dallas and UC Santa Cruz. The academic juggernauts of Division III (Johns Hopkins, Washington U - St. Louis, Emory, Chicago, Cal Tech, MIT, NYU, Carnegie Mellon, etc.) are all intentionally Division III. If anything, the UAA - the conference to which most of these schools belong - would be a good landing spot for Rice if they ever choose to further de-emphasize athletics.

Would Augsburg or St John's application from the MIAC work? Both are similar to St Thomas but half the size. St John's loves football and Augsburg also loves hockey.
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Good luck to them. Didn't deserve to be shart on by their former conference (MIAC?) like they were. That was appalling.
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(07-15-2020 06:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Good luck to them. Didn't deserve to be shart on by their former conference (MIAC?) like they were. That was appalling.

It was all set up so they got rid of the Tommies.
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(07-15-2020 04:02 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(07-15-2020 03:48 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Open the floodgates?

Doubtful there will be many waivers granted. There are only a few schools that may even meet the requirements like UT Dallas and UC Santa Cruz. The academic juggernauts of Division III (Johns Hopkins, Washington U - St. Louis, Emory, Chicago, Cal Tech, MIT, NYU, Carnegie Mellon, etc.) are all intentionally Division III. If anything, the UAA - the conference to which most of these schools belong - would be a good landing spot for Rice if they ever choose to further de-emphasize athletics.

While I don't see U of Rochester (another UAA school) making the jump, RIT might move up if there is an America East opening down the road since their academics and size are similar.
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(07-15-2020 04:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-15-2020 04:26 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Interesting (but logical) that the Pioneer accepted them. I wonder if Dixie State and Tarleton State were rejected by the Pioneer. Or maybe they still want to offer FB scholarships and are hoping for Big Sky and Southland invites, respectively. Both conferences are quite full, with 13 and 11 FB members, but FWIW, Dixie and Tarleton would put each conference at an even number.

Both Dixie and Tarleton want scholarship football.

St. Thomas in the Pioneer adds another midwest school to go along with Drake, Dayton, Valpo and Butler, with Morehead not that far away either.

A southern trio of Steson, Davidson and Presby

Marist and San Diego are the outliers
I wonder if we'll eventually see the Pioneer have two divisions, or even split into separate leagues.

West: San Diego, Dayton, Drake, Bulter, Valparaiso, St. Thomas
East: Marist, Stetson, Davidson, Presbyterian, Morehead State, ???

Each division would have one major outlier, who gets 2 or 3 home games in their division, and then 1 or 2 from the other division for 4 home and 4 away.

If Bellarmine still plans on starting football, the Pioneer needs to land them.
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(07-15-2020 06:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  Pioneer is good for St Thomas now but I wouldn't be surprised to see them move to scholarship football when a spot opens up somewhere convenient.

Might eventually happen, but it's going to be awhile. They have to spend A LOT of money over the next several years before they can think about scholarship football. They probably have to double or triple the number of athletic office employees to deal with compliance and the host of all the other things DI brings. They'll need to add assistant coaches and pump up salaries. Travel budgets are going to balloon. So might recruiting budgets. There are the other scholarships, of course. And then there are the tens of millions that they need to dump into facilities. Finally, it's likely that hockey will be a priority, and that's very expensive on its own.

Once most of that list is dealt with, then they might consider scholarship football. I'm not saying they can't do it eventually, but I doubt it will be in this decade.
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