(07-16-2020 11:41 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 10:14 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  [quote='AlwaysSunny' pid='16906408' dateline='1594899436']
If we're being real here, actually having a football season isn't going to do anything but lead most southern states back into lockdown. Keep in mind this thing is spreading like insane in hot weather. When the temp drops? Throw the regular flu back into the equation and you have thousands of people sitting in stadiums across the country. What could possibly go wrong? Especially considering the healthcare system in many places is already reaching capacity, or are already at capacity. Well hey, one can get used to working from home so i'm not even mad.

Let's not be silly... having people in stadiums is no worse than many other things currently happening. There will be people 6 feet or more apart in an open-air stadium, with the universities most likely trying to enforce those rules so that there are no issues... unlike most of the indoor stores people are going into where many people aren't really adhering to social distancing guidelines, not wearing masks, going the wrong way down aisles, not sanitizing, no rules being enforced, etc.

While I agree with most of what you are saying the issue is what we are currently doing isn't enough.

(07-16-2020 12:42 PM)trueblue21 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:41 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 10:14 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  [quote='AlwaysSunny' pid='16906408' dateline='1594899436']
If we're being real here, actually having a football season isn't going to do anything but lead most southern states back into lockdown. Keep in mind this thing is spreading like insane in hot weather. When the temp drops? Throw the regular flu back into the equation and you have thousands of people sitting in stadiums across the country. What could possibly go wrong? Especially considering the healthcare system in many places is already reaching capacity, or are already at capacity. Well hey, one can get used to working from home so i'm not even mad.

Let's not be silly... having people in stadiums is no worse than many other things currently happening. There will be people 6 feet or more apart in an open-air stadium, with the universities most likely trying to enforce those rules so that there are no issues... unlike most of the indoor stores people are going into where many people aren't really adhering to social distancing guidelines, not wearing masks, going the wrong way down aisles, not sanitizing, no rules being enforced, etc.

While I agree with most of what you are saying the issue is what we are currently doing isn't enough.

Some agree with that, and some do not. And there are different sets of facts to support both sides of that issue.

(07-15-2020 03:48 PM)8993 Wrote:  The smarter move at this point would be to shoot for a Spring season and play a full schedule, including non-conference games. Playing conference only doesn't really do us any good, especially when your conference is stretched out as far as ours is. I'd rather play a full schedule in the Spring (February to mid-May) than play half a schedule in empty stadiums in the Fall.

That's just my opinion, though. It's probably an unpopular one.

Tell that to the folks in Buffalo or Utah.

(07-16-2020 01:11 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 12:42 PM)trueblue21 Wrote:  While I agree with most of what you are saying the issue is what we are currently doing isn't enough.

Some agree with that, and some do not. And there are different sets of facts to support both sides of that issue.

At this point it feels more like different benchmarks for what is acceptable. For some, 140,000 deaths is "a handful of Americans;" for some, it's egregious that we've gotten to that point. For some, it's on the old and the vulnerable to stay safe; for others, it's on all of us to do what we can to keep them safe. False and misleading stories aren't helping, but they won't matter much anyway if we don't agree on what we're even working toward.

(07-17-2020 12:24 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 01:11 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 12:42 PM)trueblue21 Wrote:  While I agree with most of what you are saying the issue is what we are currently doing isn't enough.

Some agree with that, and some do not. And there are different sets of facts to support both sides of that issue.

At this point it feels more like different benchmarks for what is acceptable. For some, 140,000 deaths is "a handful of Americans;" for some, it's egregious that we've gotten to that point. For some, it's on the old and the vulnerable to stay safe; for others, it's on all of us to do what we can to keep them safe. False and misleading stories aren't helping, but they won't matter much anyway if we don't agree on what we're even working toward.

That's more of the nature of American Individualism than anything. As a people, we're less likely to come together unless we can all see a common enemy (See WWII and Post 911)

A Virus is not visible, not affecting every person at the same time, and is thus less likely to be seen as a common enemy. Some have experienced the full perils that the virus can bring. Others have only experienced layoffs and downturn. Someone with the virus is going to have a hard time understanding why another person is unwilling to stay home and fight the virus. Someone who has never known someone with the virus is going to wonder why people expect them to give up their livelihoods for this.

Suffice to say, America will never defeat this through any sort of social contruct. We will rely specifically on Medical advancements to fight it that way. That is also a distinct advantage that America has fighting it, knowing we've got far more advanced medicine to stop this.

Likewise, you travel to other parts of the world, and they may never have access to any of the medical advances to stop this, and thus it becomes increasingly more important to beat the virus back socially.

(07-15-2020 10:30 PM)8993 Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:15 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 03:48 PM)8993 Wrote:  The smarter move at this point would be to shoot for a Spring season and play a full schedule, including non-conference games. Playing conference only doesn't really do us any good, especially when your conference is stretched out as far as ours is. I'd rather play a full schedule in the Spring (February to mid-May) than play half a schedule in empty stadiums in the Fall.

That's just my opinion, though. It's probably an unpopular one.

Then what? You can’t turn around and play another season the next fall...college football will become a spring sport?

Why can't you? That's quite literally what many have already proposed. There would be a couple of months off for the student-athletes, but then back to the turf in the Fall. It's not like we're saying "the season will stretch from April to July" here.

It wouldn’t be a couple months off...they have offseason, spring ball, summer camp, fall camp etc. Your body needs time to heal from the season. It sounds good in theory but isn’t practical. After the body heels it takes time to get it back into football shape as well.

(07-15-2020 12:51 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  My gut says all the conferences will play in conference only.

Record year for stAte?

If we push it back...what makes anyone think the United States will have a better grip on COVID 6 months from now to make spring football possible? We’ve shown that we can’t and won’t get together on this as a country.

I think if we go conference only we should play each team in our division home and away to get to 8 games and then play four from the other side to get to a 12 game season. I don't know how playing conference only is better than playing OOC teams except the conference can mandate and require equal safety and testing procedures for all teams. If the Big 10 and PAC are doing it I think the other major conferences will as well so we should be prepared for a conference only season ourselves.

(07-20-2020 10:28 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  I think if we go conference only we should play each team in our division home and away to get to 8 games and then play four from the other side to get to a 12 game season. I don't know how playing conference only is better than playing OOC teams except the conference can mandate and require equal safety and testing procedures for all teams. If the Big 10 and PAC are doing it I think the other major conferences will as well so we should be prepared for a conference only season ourselves.

What would a budget look like if the above was done but crowds were not allowed at games? Could schools afford the travel and hotels and means with no more than a few hundred in the stands.

(07-20-2020 10:17 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  If we push it back...what makes anyone think the United States will have a better grip on COVID 6 months from now to make spring football possible? We’ve shown that we can’t and won’t get together on this as a country.

Even if everyone wore a mask from day one, the COVID would still be with us and people would still be scared of it. There would probably be less cases, but there would still be cases. Whenever people are allowed to proceed in a normal fashion, viruses of all kinds are going to be transferred and numbers are going to rise. That is the problem with this type of handling of this virus, we are seemingly backed into a corner of put all life on hold until a vaccine is produced, all for a virus with a 99.7% survival rate.

Also add to this, that we all put our life on hold for a year to get past this, are we given an extra year of life at the end to make up for this time lost??? Of course we aren’t, and some of us really like living our lives and making the most of the time we have with family, friends and all the new people we meet along the way. There has always been dangers in living, after all, none of us will get out alive!!!

(07-20-2020 12:27 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 10:17 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  If we push it back...what makes anyone think the United States will have a better grip on COVID 6 months from now to make spring football possible? We’ve shown that we can’t and won’t get together on this as a country.

Even if everyone wore a mask from day one, the COVID would still be with us and people would still be scared of it. There would probably be less cases, but there would still be cases. Whenever people are allowed to proceed in a normal fashion, viruses of all kinds are going to be transferred and numbers are going to rise. That is the problem with this type of handling of this virus, we are seemingly backed into a corner of put all life on hold until a vaccine is produced, all for a virus with a 99.7% survival rate.

Also add to this, that we all put our life on hold for a year to get past this, are we given an extra year of life at the end to make up for this time lost??? Of course we aren’t, and some of us really like living our lives and making the most of the time we have with family, friends and all the new people we meet along the way. There has always been dangers in living, after all, none of us will get out alive!!!

This decision should not be about the fans. It comes down to the players and their families. They will have to isolate from their families and girlfriend(s) for at least four months. Additionally, I don't see them staying in the bubble and isolating themselves from campus life. California, Florida, Texas along with the majority of the other states are raging with corona cases now and will probably continue through November.

I don't think folks are signing up for Atlantic, Caribbean, and Pacific cruises for the Fall. We don't know the long term affects of recovering from the virus. Why take a risk when you have your whole life ahead of you? At this point, I would be surprise if we make it to game 5 of the NFL season.

If Covid-19 cases don't cool off by August 1st, then I say pack it in for the year. Let science find remedies to mitigate the symptoms until there are vaccines.

Cases wont end with the election in November. We need the public to act responsibly to keep the number the cases from getting out of control till there is a cure.
I don't expect cases to cool down by August 1. The temperature is likely to cool down before the virus.