Seriously? And this is a country that’s supposed to care about liberty?

Quote:Back in early June, reports swirled that New Zealand had beaten back the COVID-19 pandemic.

“New Zealand Hits Zero Active Coronavirus Cases,” U.S. News & World Report wrote June 8.

“Today, for the first time since February 28, New Zealand has no active cases of COVID-19. According to our modeling, it is now very likely (well above a 95% chance) New Zealand has completely eliminated the virus,” wrote Michael Baker and Nick Wilson, described as “two of the key epidemiologists who worked on New Zealand’s elimination strategy.”

On Sunday, the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering said the island nation had had just 1,544 confirmed cases and 22 deaths.

But it turns out there’s something else going on in New Zealand.

“A leading epidemiologist says ‘thousands of people’ will be quarantined in isolation facilities for months — and possibly years — into the future,” reported NewsHub, a New Zealand news site.

“We’re going to have thousands of people sitting in these facilities, quarantined in isolation facilities for months, maybe years ahead. Sensible risk management says when a mistake happens you figure out what went wrong, and you improve the system,” he told the site.

Baker’s remarks come amid reports that New Zealanders are breaking out of their facilities.

The latest escapee, a person in their 60s, broke the window of the Waipuna Hotel in Auckland on Friday and climbed out of the building. They then scaled the fence and began to knock on the doors of neighbouring homes.

Their escape is the fourth since last Saturday, when a woman scaled two fences to escape from Auckland’s Pullman Hotel. She was out of isolation for more than an hour. On Tuesday, a 32-year-old man snuck through a gap in the Stamford Plaza fencing and visited an inner-city supermarket. The following day he tested positive for COVID-19.

The third person to have allegedly escaped from managed isolation was Martin James McVicar. He allegedly absconded from the Distinction Hotel in Hamilton on Thursday evening before entering a nearby liquor store and reportedly buying a four-pack of Leffe Blonde and a bottle of pinot noir.

All people entering New Zealand must stay remain in isolation or quarantine for at least 14 days after their arrival and test negative for coronavirus before they are allowed to return to public venues.

“In April, the country said it had ‘eliminated’ the virus as case numbers stayed in single figures, and in June, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced that almost all domestic coronavirus restrictions would be lifted,” CNN reported on Friday. “New Zealand has seen several cases since.”

In mid-June, New Zealand announced its military would step in to oversee the country’s quarantine facilities and strengthen border requirements following a slip-up that allowed two people with COVID-19 to move around the country.

Alex Berenson, a former New York Times reporter turned COVID-19 watchdog, took to Twitter to highlight the reality in New Zealand.

“Don’t think developed nations with a tradition of respecting individual rights will trash them for #COVID? I have two words for you: New Zealand. Where indefinite confinement is already real, and PEOPLE IN ISOLATION ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO BREAK FREE. Welcome to the occupation,” he wrote.

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Epidemiologists are very good at counting sick people and bodies, then putting numbers on spread sheets. Which has very little to do with actual patient care or curing disease.

(07-12-2020 04:56 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Seriously? And [New Zealand] is a country that’s supposed to care about liberty?

Says who? I’ve never heard that before.

Shhh... don't give AOC any ideas or crazy Uncle Joe will put it in his platform.

That idea is already out there. Just read something today (can't find it now) that said we may be wearing masks for the next year or two.

That's ridiculous. I refuse. If need be, I'll use the medical excuse and if they ask what my condition is, I'll tell them my doctor told me NOT to wear one and due to hippa laws, it is none of your business what my medical condition is.

Heard something on the radio today from Fox news that was whining that medical experts were getting hammered by the public. Some have quit, some have been fired, but many were butthurt that people are blaming them for ........something.

They can thank Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx and the not so stellar performance of both the CDC and WHO, supposed experts all.

Uh, No

**** they having sports with crowds. I'd say they can do whatever they want to do

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(07-12-2020 07:57 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  They can thank Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx and the not so stellar performance of both the CDC and WHO, supposed experts all.

The experts really screwed the pooch on this one. They were wrong about the China travel ban. CDC and FDA screwed up testing. Their projections of casualties turned out to be wildly off the mark. They appear to have been wrong about shutdown.

Close down for a couple of weeks, catch our breath, and put together a plan. Close down all international air travel for the period (although you may have to allow USA citizens to repatriate under international law), shut down the stock markets for a week, kick CDC and FDA in the ass to get tests approved and state, local, and private organizations into the test preparation and interpretation loop, and isolate all high-risk populations. Then look at what is working elsewhere. After two weeks, allow anybody to reopen provided they require masks and enforce social distancing. You want to open, wear masks. No masks, no reopen. The message would get home pretty quickly.

(07-12-2020 04:56 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Seriously? And this is a country that’s supposed to care about liberty?

Quote:Back in early June, reports swirled that New Zealand had beaten back the COVID-19 pandemic.

“New Zealand Hits Zero Active Coronavirus Cases,” U.S. News & World Report wrote June 8.

“Today, for the first time since February 28, New Zealand has no active cases of COVID-19. According to our modeling, it is now very likely (well above a 95% chance) New Zealand has completely eliminated the virus,” wrote Michael Baker and Nick Wilson, described as “two of the key epidemiologists who worked on New Zealand’s elimination strategy.”

On Sunday, the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering said the island nation had had just 1,544 confirmed cases and 22 deaths.

But it turns out there’s something else going on in New Zealand.

“A leading epidemiologist says ‘thousands of people’ will be quarantined in isolation facilities for months — and possibly years — into the future,” reported NewsHub, a New Zealand news site.

“We’re going to have thousands of people sitting in these facilities, quarantined in isolation facilities for months, maybe years ahead. Sensible risk management says when a mistake happens you figure out what went wrong, and you improve the system,” he told the site.

Baker’s remarks come amid reports that New Zealanders are breaking out of their facilities.

The latest escapee, a person in their 60s, broke the window of the Waipuna Hotel in Auckland on Friday and climbed out of the building. They then scaled the fence and began to knock on the doors of neighbouring homes.

Their escape is the fourth since last Saturday, when a woman scaled two fences to escape from Auckland’s Pullman Hotel. She was out of isolation for more than an hour. On Tuesday, a 32-year-old man snuck through a gap in the Stamford Plaza fencing and visited an inner-city supermarket. The following day he tested positive for COVID-19.

The third person to have allegedly escaped from managed isolation was Martin James McVicar. He allegedly absconded from the Distinction Hotel in Hamilton on Thursday evening before entering a nearby liquor store and reportedly buying a four-pack of Leffe Blonde and a bottle of pinot noir.

All people entering New Zealand must stay remain in isolation or quarantine for at least 14 days after their arrival and test negative for coronavirus before they are allowed to return to public venues.

“In April, the country said it had ‘eliminated’ the virus as case numbers stayed in single figures, and in June, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced that almost all domestic coronavirus restrictions would be lifted,” CNN reported on Friday. “New Zealand has seen several cases since.”

In mid-June, New Zealand announced its military would step in to oversee the country’s quarantine facilities and strengthen border requirements following a slip-up that allowed two people with COVID-19 to move around the country.

Alex Berenson, a former New York Times reporter turned COVID-19 watchdog, took to Twitter to highlight the reality in New Zealand.

“Don’t think developed nations with a tradition of respecting individual rights will trash them for #COVID? I have two words for you: New Zealand. Where indefinite confinement is already real, and PEOPLE IN ISOLATION ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO BREAK FREE. Welcome to the occupation,” he wrote.

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Epidemiologists are very good at counting sick people and bodies, then putting numbers on spread sheets. Which has very little to do with actual patient care or curing disease.

Holy Fvck. This is so scary. I mean that literally.

well this was a pretty misleading article. i showed it to wife who wants to visit nz and has praised their response to da vid and she asked if i read the article cited. what do you think, i asked

sounds like it's just going to be sop for border security. q people up when the enter the country. they wouldn't be q'd up for months or years, just the standard two week deal. but this quarantine could extend well into the future for anyone entering the country

Quote:Prof Baker says we need to look at why these people feel the need to escape from the isolation facilities.

"Sometimes, it's people have problems with all the stress. They may have psychiatric illness. They may have a substance addiction - nicotine, alcohol or something else. And so we need to identify ways of avoiding that problem," he tells Shepherd.

"If you look at nicotine, for instance, we could have nicotine replacement therapy provided, or they should be asked to talk with their doctor before they come, and it should be explained that they will be in their room for four days, and that they need that treatment.

"And for instance, I mean, many smokers are used to going on long-haul flights, and they may switch to patches for example."

On Thursday, ACT leader David Seymour said the Government needs to start profiling travellers based on their risk of absconding - especially looking at those with criminal records.

"The vast majority of people entering New Zealand will pose absolutely no risk of absconding from managed isolation and quarantine facilities," he said in a statement.

"But a tiny minority will be a risk. The Government should be using the information at its disposal to figure out who those travellers are most likely to be and place them under tighter security."

Prof Baker suggests this could be a good idea.

"I think that should be looked at," he says.

"I mean, we should learn from best practice internationally about this, because it's all about a system to minimise the risk of errors at the border."

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zeala...baker.html