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could this be the end?
do i believe drexel basketball in the winter is in trouble? yes...but that seems like the easier question to answer right now and is still far from certain. patriot league and ivy league have only called off fall sports so far. just a matter of time before the bigger conferences call them off as far as i'm concerned.

what are the chances though that we see a major reshaping of college sports? i'm really nervous if i like college tennis, field hockey, and really any sport that isn't football, basketball, and maybe baseball. i'm probably really nervous too if my football or basketball team isn't in a power 5 conference. i feel like there's a reasonable chance right now that college sports as we know them are on the verge of completely disappearing.

and you know what? i'm not sure i'm too disappointed about that. i've been trying to figure out for a long time what drexel is really trying to accomplish with its athletic department. it can't be making money. i'm sure there is added value to an education that includes sports...but i'm sure there are club organizations out there that that could pick up those pieces.

maybe my biggest worry about the caa is apparently drexel is now well represented within its leadership. dr. fry was just named chair of the caa board of directors and dr. zilmer was named chair of the caa athletic directors group. it looks like we essentially have a monopoly over leadership positions. not sure if this rotates between schools and it was our turn or what motivated us to take over.

if there was a school i'd want to come up with an exit strategy out of athletics...i would pick us. we have no experience with football at all so it's hard to imagine they would try to save the conference for football's sake. athletics never seemed like a priority for dr. fry or dr. zilmer for that matter. they could easily be the bad guys because there's no vocal alumni base or media that would give them any flak. ud and jmu fans would go away eventually although i'd be really curious to see what would happen with those types of programs.

i'm just curious if others are as concerned as i am...but like i said...i've grown so apathetic towards our athletic department that i'm not really sure i would miss it. you can use your flosports subscription to watch sprint car racing. other than that i'm not sure what i've gained out of being a drexel fan lately.
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07-13-2020 02:13 PM
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Your last point has been a valid point for the better part of a decade. Since the 2012 team, it has been very difficult to come up with the answer to "what have I gained out of being a drexel fan lately". It is not easy. Being a Drexel basketball and Drexel fan as a whole has never been easy. If it were not for pride in our school, few would be here to begin with. The involvement several have had keeps them hooked even if their hard work that was paying off collapsed.

As you and likely others saw a week ago, we followed suit and pushed fall sports back, likely to spring. Who knows what the future holds for winter or sports in general. Obviously the longer all of this goes on the more drastic changes across the entire landscape will be. Minor sports will see the biggest hits, naturally. It all just depends on what the true vision is of the various schools and what they perceive the value of sports are. I agree in that I see many sports being dropped down to club level and NCAA sports will merely be football and mens and womens basketball. I can absolutely see the breaking of divisions finally happening to where power conferences will hoard all of the money and be their own entity and everyone else will be left to fend for themselves in their own division. With many power conferences starting to pull the plug on non conference games, I think the set up for this to happen is underway. The financials for the non power conference teams will be too difficult a hurdle to overcome without those guarantees that disappearing by the day/week
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John Fry is making a terrible mistake by going virtual in the fall. There is no reason to, unless we're going to shut down for the flu every year. Students with any sense will not matriculate. Some colleges may be able to survive the financial debacle which results. I don't know if Drexel can.
08-20-2020 06:37 AM
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I think he made the logical correct decision. Most will be going that way, better to be a "leader" than a "follower". Sports already were pushed off from fall until spring (maybe). This is not a decision that is a bad one IMO
08-20-2020 09:13 AM
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(08-20-2020 06:37 AM)Ferkel Wrote:  John Fry is making a terrible mistake by going virtual in the fall. There is no reason to, unless we're going to shut down for the flu every year. Students with any sense will not matriculate. Some colleges may be able to survive the financial debacle which results. I don't know if Drexel can.

I would have hoped a Drexel message board would be well past the "this is just the flu" argument. We should be smarter than that. Is it universally fatal...and probably wouldn't be too much of a problem for college kids? No. But it clearly is a big problem for certain populations and unless we get cases down and keep them there...decisions like this one will have to be made.

The funny thing is a decent percentage of my classmates didn't go to class. That was almost 15 years ago and I can't imagine things have gotten any better. College was just an excuse to party for most people. Maybe it's time we reshape things or at least refocus what college is actually for.
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You may be unaware that COVID-19 deaths are strongly correlated to age; 80% of those who have died in the U.S. are over 65 (90% in Pennsylvania). There have been two other pandemics of similar magnitude in my lifetime. The other two are barely remembered.

It is true that even in my day, few of my classmates attended class regularly. At least they had the opportunity.
08-23-2020 11:21 AM
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(08-23-2020 11:21 AM)Ferkel Wrote:  There have been two other pandemics of similar magnitude in my lifetime. The other two are barely remembered.

How old are you? Because this is already the 11th deadliest pandemic in human history, and 7 of them occurred 1918 or prior.

And of the more "recent" ones, its been 52 years since the last pandemic resembling this one in terms of death count (Flu Pandemic - 1968). Unless you count HIV/AIDS, which is of course a very different kind of pandemic.

And by the end of it, the COVID death count will be higher than the 1968 Flu Pandemic, though maybe not as much as he 1956-58 Asian Flu.

It's safe to say people will remember this one for a long time. And whether its memorable or not, and regardless of which age group is impacted most, the 800,000+ deaths in less than 8 months is a very real number.
08-23-2020 04:14 PM
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(08-20-2020 06:37 AM)Ferkel Wrote:  John Fry is making a terrible mistake by going virtual in the fall. There is no reason to, unless we're going to shut down for the flu every year. Students with any sense will not matriculate. Some colleges may be able to survive the financial debacle which results. I don't know if Drexel can.

For the type of school that Drexel is, I can understand their rationale. It's an open urban campus with thousands of people not connected to Drexel on campus every day. Also, there are thousands of students who live off campus and in fraternity houses that Drexel seems to have very little control over. I don't see how they can many any attempt to keep the students safe.

On the contrary,
I just dropped off my daughter yesterday for her freshman year at Rider. Rider is a small, suburban, controlled campus. Nobody is on the campus who doesn't belong there. They will be remote for a few weeks, then go in-person/hybrid/remote for most of the semester, then they will finish up at home after Thanksgiving. There are really no places on campus to have uncontrolled parties. The fraternity/sorority houses are basically just campus controlled dormitories. They have tons of rules that the students must follow and a plan for quarantining students. They also have very limited indoor dining options, with tents set up outside for eating. I think a school like Rider can pull it off. I just don't see how a school like Drexel can open up and avoid disaster.
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(08-25-2020 07:57 AM)J.B. Wrote:  There are really no places on campus to have uncontrolled parties.

They'll party around around the lake!
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(08-25-2020 08:51 AM)Timer Wrote:  
(08-25-2020 07:57 AM)J.B. Wrote:  There are really no places on campus to have uncontrolled parties.

They'll party around the lake!

I'm sure some students will try. But public safety will have things shut down really fast. And all of the residence halls and Greek houses are controlled by the school with a school employee monitoring the doors 24/7. It's going to be really tough to break rules there. Though, nothing's impossible where college students are involved.
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(08-20-2020 06:37 AM)Ferkel Wrote:  John Fry is making a terrible mistake by going virtual in the fall. There is no reason to, unless we're going to shut down for the flu every year. Students with any sense will not matriculate. Some colleges may be able to survive the financial debacle which results. I don't know if Drexel can.

kind of incredible how this comment just keeps getting worse and worse with age.
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(09-06-2020 03:35 PM)relaxing Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 06:37 AM)Ferkel Wrote:  John Fry is making a terrible mistake by going virtual in the fall. There is no reason to, unless we're going to shut down for the flu every year. Students with any sense will not matriculate. Some colleges may be able to survive the financial debacle which results. I don't know if Drexel can.

kind of incredible how this comment just keeps getting worse and worse with age.

It was never good.
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RE: could this be the end?
anybody heard anything about the status of the season?

i've realized as certain sports come back that i'm not sure how much i really missed them. a winter without drexel basketball might not be the worst thing. it seems almost in the bad that i won't be attending one in person. i have flosports from watching the sprint car races so i could tune in...if i dare.
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(10-13-2020 02:55 PM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  anybody heard anything about the status of the season?

i've realized as certain sports come back that i'm not sure how much i really missed them. a winter without drexel basketball might not be the worst thing. it seems almost in the bad that i won't be attending one in person. i have flosports from watching the sprint car races so i could tune in...if i dare.

The CAA Schedules were just posted. There was never any doubt that a season would take place. Now the next question will be about allowing fans.
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(10-14-2020 09:21 AM)J.B. Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 02:55 PM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  anybody heard anything about the status of the season?

i've realized as certain sports come back that i'm not sure how much i really missed them. a winter without drexel basketball might not be the worst thing. it seems almost in the bad that i won't be attending one in person. i have flosports from watching the sprint car races so i could tune in...if i dare.

The CAA Schedules were just posted. There was never any doubt that a season would take place. Now the next question will be about allowing fans.

we haven't had to face indoor activities yet. i'm sure they're going on and i just don't know about them. i guess it will depend on how the next few weeks go.
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