Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember that Oklahoma never had a quarterback drafted until Sam Bradford, which us mind boggling. Boy have they been on fire since then.

(07-12-2020 09:17 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember that Oklahoma never had a quarterback drafted until Sam Bradford, which us mind boggling. Boy have they been on fire since then.

Not counting Aikman, they had Jack Mildren, Josh Heupel and Rhett Bomar all get drafted. As somebody upthread said, Jason White almost certainly would have been drafted if not for his injuries. Jamelle Hollaway played for the Raiders (but was undrafted), and Charles Thompson probably would have been drafted if he hadn't been busted for dealing coke.

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(07-12-2020 03:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 03:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Just one look at the Athletic list tells you that there IS NO current "Quarterback U" out there, as that is a garbage top 10 with almost no good QBs on the list from anyone. I mean, they give guys like Sam Bradford and Jameis Winston 55 points or whatever and those guys have been unmitigated BUSTS in the NFL.

There's nothing like back in the day, like in the 1960s and 1970s when Alabama had Bart Starr and Joe Namath and Ken Stabler in the NFL. Or like in the 1980s when Notre Dame had Joe Theisman and Joe Montana in the NFL, or Miami had Jim Kelly and Bernie Kosar and even Vinny Testaverde in the NFL.

That's a different issue, your issue is that there are almost no great QBs playing in the NFL today. How many active NFL QBs are definite Hall of Famers?

Sure things: Brady, Brees
Probables: Rodgers, Wilson, Roethlisberger - do we count Eli Manning?

Could potentially put Mahomes on that list, but it's still too early in my opinion. Not sure you can put Rivers on that list (longevity and lots of Pro Bowls, but never even made a Super Bowl and only even made one AFC Championship game). Not seeing a case for anybody else yet, but many are too young to really say.

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(07-12-2020 09:33 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 09:17 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember that Oklahoma never had a quarterback drafted until Sam Bradford, which us mind boggling. Boy have they been on fire since then.

Not counting Aikman, they had Jack Mildren, Josh Heupel and Rhett Bomar all get drafted. As somebody upthread said, Jason White almost certainly would have been drafted if not for his injuries. Jamelle Hollaway played for the Raiders (but was undrafted), and Charles Thompson probably would have been drafted if he hadn't been busted for dealing coke.

USFFan

Jack Mildren was drafted by the Colts. Josh Heupel was drafted by the Dolphins. Rhett Bomar was drafted by the Giants, but after transferring to Sam Houston State.

Jason White was not drafted. Both of his knees were shot by the time he got to the NFL. He signed as an undrafted free agent with the Titans, but did not play.

Our wishbone quarterbacks were special, but were not a fit for the NFL of the 70's and 80's.

I must have been way off. Maybe I was thinking of some other school, or maybe it was just OU's first 1st-round draft pick? Oh well. Lol

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(07-12-2020 09:54 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The Athletic has an article about Ohio State's aspirations to be " Quarterback U." Lots of schools have an argument: USC, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Stanford, Louisville, LSU, and others.

Mine goes to NC State. They have had Phillip Rivers, Russell Wilson, Matt Glennon, Jacoby Brissett, and Ryan Finley make it to the NFL since 2004. One is a Super Bowl winner, and two are likely future HOFers.

Also, because of NC State's success at producing NFL QB's, I would also argue that is part of why they might be the most underachieving FBS program. One 10-win season under Phillip Rivers, which was the only 10-win season in their history, and zero ACC Atlantic titles, even pre-2012 when neither Clemson nor Florida State was a national title contender.

https://theathletic.com/1921516/2020/07/...i1PLO0hihP

This is a very good point you make:

Also, because of NC State's success at producing NFL QB's, I would also argue that is part of why they might be the most underachieving FBS program.

Purdue claims to be the "Cradle of Quarterbacks." 15 QBs in the NFL.

Purdue QBs have more NFL touchdowns than any other school. 5 Purdue QBs have won NFL titles (2 were pre-Super Bowl).

However, it's been 10 years since Purdue had a QB drafted into the NFL.

Miami (fl), Purdue, Notre Dame and Stanford are schools that I've always thought of as past QB producers.

Oklahoma is probably the best at producing QB's recently, correct?

Ohio State, since mentioned by the OP, is nowhere near being the "QB U". I've never thought of them as being a great QB school in the past, because they weren't.
Mike Tomczak was a drifter and Art Schlichter was always on his back with the colts, he also battled some addictions. Dwayne Haskins has still not proven himself yet. Joe Germaine was great in the Arena Football league, first player to pass for 5,000 yards in a season, but that's not the NFL, it doesn't really count.

Marshall has produced 4 drafted and undrafted QBs: Kresser (Bengals), Pennington (Jets), Leftwich (Jags), and Litton (Chiefs). Only Pennington and Leftwich were starters and only Leftwich has a ring (as a backup w/ the Steelers).

Marshall isn’t QB U, but not bad for a small school in WV.

(07-12-2020 03:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 03:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Just one look at the Athletic list tells you that there IS NO current "Quarterback U" out there, as that is a garbage top 10 with almost no good QBs on the list from anyone. I mean, they give guys like Sam Bradford and Jameis Winston 55 points or whatever and those guys have been unmitigated BUSTS in the NFL.

There's nothing like back in the day, like in the 1960s and 1970s when Alabama had Bart Starr and Joe Namath and Ken Stabler in the NFL. Or like in the 1980s when Notre Dame had Joe Theisman and Joe Montana in the NFL, or Miami had Jim Kelly and Bernie Kosar and even Vinny Testaverde in the NFL.

That's a different issue, your issue is that there are almost no great QBs playing in the NFL today. How many active NFL QBs are definite Hall of Famers?

How is it a different issue? The concept of a "Quarterback U" or a "Wide Receiver U", etc. implies the presence of multiple *good* players at that position in the NFL, not just warm bodies.

For example, LSU has gained a rep as a "Defensive Back U" because *multiple good* DBs, like the Honey Badger and Patrick Peterson and Jamal Adams, have been produced in recent years, not bum players like Sam Bradford and the other bums on this QB list.

There's nobody currently like that at the QB position.

Only 136 QBs have thrown 100 TDs in the NFL. 6 of those 136 went to Purdue, including the all-time leader Drew Brees.

Only 194 people have thrown 10,000 or more passing yards in the NFL. 8 of those 194 went to Purdue, including the all-time leader Drew Brees.

It's really not a contest.

NFL yardage thrown: (just the top 15 schools by NFL players, plus a few others with leading NFL QBs)
Purdue: 255,018 yards
USC: 192,556
Notre Dame: 187,339
Stanford: 172,610
Michigan: 161,095
NC State: 146,967
Washington: 144,828
California: 144,423
Miami (FL): 125,447
UCLA: 122,684
Georgia: 122,063
Alabama: 117,911
Pitt: 115,245
Ole Miss: 109,711
LSU: 96,045
Maryland: 92,325
Penn State: 91,526
BYU: 82,275
Southern Miss: 78,425 (almost all by Brett Favre)
Florida: 72,863
Oklahoma: 70,703
Texas: 53,959
Wisconsin: 53,674
Ohio State: 38,730
Nebraska: 25,651

NFL TDs thrown: (all schools over 900 that I found)
Purdue: 1716
Notre Dame: 1277
USC: 1154
Stanford: 1127
Michigan: 1090
NC State: 994
Cal: 992

This is a subjective topic to say the least. What popped in my mind for programs with a history of QBs drafted to the NFL is Notre Dame and USC. Here is a list for each program with year drafted, round, and any relevant notes [career Games Started min. 30]...

Notre Dame
2007, 1, Brady Quinn
1993, 1, Rick Mirer [68 GS]
1960, 1, George Izo
1955, 1, Ralph Guglielmi
1951, 1, Bob Williams
1949, 1, Frank Tripucka [56 GS]
1946, 1, Frank Dancewicz
1946, 1, Johnny Lujack [Heisman Winner] [32 GS]
1944, 1, Angelo Bertelli [Heisman Winner]
2017, 2, DeShone Kizer
2010, 2, Jimmy Clausen
1969, 2, Terry Hanratty
1965, 2/6, John Huarte [Heisman Winner]
1979, 3, Joe Montana [Super Bowl Winner x4] [164 GS]
1987, 4, Steve Beuerlein [102]
1980, 4, Rusty Lisch
1971, 4, Joe Theismann [Super Bowl Winner] [124 GS]
2000, 7, Jarious Jackson
1984, 11, Blair Kiel
1969, 12, Bob Belden
1963, 12, Daryle Lamonica [88 GS]
1948, 16, George Ratterman

Southern California
2018, 1, Sam Darnold
2009, 1, Mark Sanchez [73 GS]
2006, 1, Matt Leinart [Heisman Winner]
2003, 1, Carson Palmer [Heisman Winner] [181 GS]
1991, 1, Todd Marinovich
1964, 1, Pete Beathard [35 GS]
1945, 1, Jim Hardy
1953, 2, Rudy Bukich [41 GS]
2016, 3, Cody Kessler
2013, 4, Matt Barkley
1995, 4, Rob Johnson
1980, 4, Paul McDonald
2008, 5, John David Booty
1978, 5, Rob Hertel
1989, 6, Rodney Peete [87 GS]
1977, 6, Vince Evans [39 GS]
2005, 7, Matt Cassel [81 GS]
1996, 7, Kyle Wachholtz
1975, 7, Pat Haden [55 GS]
1973, 8, Mike Rae
1970, 8, Mike Holmgren
1991, 10, Pat O'Hara
1963, 10, Bill Nelsen [74 GS]
1961, 19, Ben Charles
1965, 20, Craig Fertig

What, no mention of North Dakota State? LOL
Last three starting QBs have been 1st round(Carson Wentz), 5th round(Easton Stick), and projected(extremely early) 1st or 2nd round(Trey Lance). That's a pretty good run for the last six years.

The QB before Carson was also very good, but not NFL material. Brock Jensen set the FCS record for wins as a starting QB(later exceeded by Easton) and spent a few years in the CFL.


Yes, this post is mostly in jest, but I think NDSU should at least get an honorable mention considering its recent QB success.

(07-13-2020 09:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  This is a subjective topic to say the least. What popped in my mind for programs with a history of QBs drafted to the NFL is Notre Dame and USC. Here is a list for each program with year drafted, round, and any relevant notes [career Games Started min. 30]...

Notre Dame
2007, 1, Brady Quinn
1993, 1, Rick Mirer [68 GS]
1960, 1, George Izo
1955, 1, Ralph Guglielmi
1951, 1, Bob Williams
1949, 1, Frank Tripucka [56 GS]
1946, 1, Frank Dancewicz
1946, 1, Johnny Lujack [Heisman Winner] [32 GS]
1944, 1, Angelo Bertelli [Heisman Winner]
2017, 2, DeShone Kizer
2010, 2, Jimmy Clausen
1969, 2, Terry Hanratty
1965, 2/6, John Huarte [Heisman Winner]
1979, 3, Joe Montana [Super Bowl Winner x4] [164 GS]
1987, 4, Steve Beuerlein [102]
1980, 4, Rusty Lisch
1971, 4, Joe Theismann [Super Bowl Winner] [124 GS]
2000, 7, Jarious Jackson
1984, 11, Blair Kiel
1969, 12, Bob Belden
1963, 12, Daryle Lamonica [88 GS]
1948, 16, George Ratterman

Southern California
2018, 1, Sam Darnold
2009, 1, Mark Sanchez [73 GS]
2006, 1, Matt Leinart [Heisman Winner]
2003, 1, Carson Palmer [Heisman Winner] [181 GS]
1991, 1, Todd Marinovich
1964, 1, Pete Beathard [35 GS]
1945, 1, Jim Hardy
1953, 2, Rudy Bukich [41 GS]
2016, 3, Cody Kessler
2013, 4, Matt Barkley
1995, 4, Rob Johnson
1980, 4, Paul McDonald
2008, 5, John David Booty
1978, 5, Rob Hertel
1989, 6, Rodney Peete [87 GS]
1977, 6, Vince Evans [39 GS]
2005, 7, Matt Cassel [81 GS]
1996, 7, Kyle Wachholtz
1975, 7, Pat Haden [55 GS]
1973, 8, Mike Rae
1970, 8, Mike Holmgren
1991, 10, Pat O'Hara
1963, 10, Bill Nelsen [74 GS]
1961, 19, Ben Charles
1965, 20, Craig Fertig

You list a lot of players there. Problem is, most of them never played much in the NFL.

USC has 10 graduates who started more than 30 NFL games. Notre Dame has 8. Purdue has 8.

USC has 16 graduates who completed more than 300 NFL passes. Notre Dame has 9. Purdue has 10.

USC has 4 graduates who completed more than 1000 NFL passes. Notre Dame has 5. Purdue has 7.

It's definitely not Miami, though we have Big Ben, Arena League MVP Dan Raudabaugh, and some NFL benchwarmers. Who could also forget Dick Hunter, who played under Ara Parseghian and clearly makes the top ten list of best names ever.

(07-15-2020 07:34 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  It's definitely not Miami, though we have Big Ben, Arena League MVP Dan Raudabaugh, and some NFL benchwarmers. Who could also forget Dick Hunter, who played under Ara Parseghian and clearly makes the top ten list of best names ever.

(07-15-2020 04:45 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  You list a lot of players there. Problem is, most of them never played much in the NFL.

USC has 10 graduates who started more than 30 NFL games. Notre Dame has 8. Purdue has 8.

USC has 16 graduates who completed more than 300 NFL passes. Notre Dame has 9. Purdue has 10.

USC has 4 graduates who completed more than 1000 NFL passes. Notre Dame has 5. Purdue has 7.

Again, it is subjective on how you define "Quarterback U." From a historical standpoint of programs that produce NFL QB draftees both USC and Notre Dame came to mind. I did some research just to see how they stacked up and both programs have done fairly well in that department - Notre Dame less so in recent time. In terms of playing in the NFL with a successful career/longevity you're talking about a very small portion across all college programs. The odds are against it.