(07-12-2020 11:15 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:21 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 07:44 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Do people still cling to the belief that there will be college sports in the fall?

March madness in 2021 will refer to the kickoff of the next college football season.

Starting a college football season in March would be madness.

California jucos moved the first football game to February 13, they're playing only 7 games, and there will be no championship tournament. That lets them finish the season no later than early April. Not great, but workable.

A nationwide FBS season wouldn't end in early April, probably wouldn't even end in May, and if there are bowl games, players would play their last game in mid to late June and be asked to report for the start of fall practice in late July or the first week in August. Can't see that happening.

not to mention guys who are in line for the NFL draft probably wouldn't play at all..

They would have to move the draft back to early July.

That won't happen...

Given that, unlike the Big Stadium P5 schools, it costs NMSU to play football, maybe what they need is a more binding order from the state government to allow them to wriggle out of contractual obligations. Then they can settle down and focus on the 2021 FB season.

(07-13-2020 12:09 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 11:15 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:21 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  March madness in 2021 will refer to the kickoff of the next college football season.

Starting a college football season in March would be madness.

California jucos moved the first football game to February 13, they're playing only 7 games, and there will be no championship tournament. That lets them finish the season no later than early April. Not great, but workable.

A nationwide FBS season wouldn't end in early April, probably wouldn't even end in May, and if there are bowl games, players would play their last game in mid to late June and be asked to report for the start of fall practice in late July or the first week in August. Can't see that happening.

not to mention guys who are in line for the NFL draft probably wouldn't play at all..

They would have to move the draft back to early July.

That won't happen...

well damn. Maybe they will if their season gets pushed back.

(07-13-2020 05:30 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 12:09 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 11:15 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Starting a college football season in March would be madness.

California jucos moved the first football game to February 13, they're playing only 7 games, and there will be no championship tournament. That lets them finish the season no later than early April. Not great, but workable.

A nationwide FBS season wouldn't end in early April, probably wouldn't even end in May, and if there are bowl games, players would play their last game in mid to late June and be asked to report for the start of fall practice in late July or the first week in August. Can't see that happening.

not to mention guys who are in line for the NFL draft probably wouldn't play at all..

They would have to move the draft back to early July.

That won't happen...

well damn. Maybe they will if their season gets pushed back.

Or you end up with a bunch of draft eligible players either not playing, or playing up until the draft. This isn't like baseball, where MLB doesn't have the same injury concern about the players drafted still playing in the CWS.

Teams would be reluctant to draft a player if they still had several games left to get injured in.

(07-13-2020 07:03 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 05:30 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 12:09 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 11:15 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  not to mention guys who are in line for the NFL draft probably wouldn't play at all..

They would have to move the draft back to early July.

That won't happen...

well damn. Maybe they will if their season gets pushed back.

Or you end up with a bunch of draft eligible players either not playing, or playing up until the draft. This isn't like baseball, where MLB doesn't have the same injury concern about the players drafted still playing in the CWS.

Teams would be reluctant to draft a player if they still had several games left to get injured in.

I think that's it. The NFL definitely doesn't want its 2021 draft class playing college games in spring 2021. If players get hurt, their draft stock goes down, and they spend the entire 2021 NFL season rehabbing. Even in the best case scenario, where draft prospects play in the spring and stay healthy, they could be too worn down from playing college football all spring, and are not useful to their NFL team in fall 2021.

The day college football announces it will play a season in spring 2021 would be the same day top draft prospects start signing with agents and withdrawing from school.

(07-13-2020 05:30 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 12:09 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 11:15 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Starting a college football season in March would be madness.

California jucos moved the first football game to February 13, they're playing only 7 games, and there will be no championship tournament. That lets them finish the season no later than early April. Not great, but workable.

A nationwide FBS season wouldn't end in early April, probably wouldn't even end in May, and if there are bowl games, players would play their last game in mid to late June and be asked to report for the start of fall practice in late July or the first week in August. Can't see that happening.

not to mention guys who are in line for the NFL draft probably wouldn't play at all..

They would have to move the draft back to early July.

That won't happen...

well damn. Maybe they will if their season gets pushed back.

even if the season got pushed back it'd end in early March at the latest. So a late April Draft would be no issue at all.... NFL draft isn't moving (or if it did, it'd be like 1 week).

(07-12-2020 04:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 04:18 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 03:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 07:44 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Do people still cling to the belief that there will be college sports in the fall?

It blows my mind how people naively think there’s going to be any college sports this fall.

I think there will be. One advantage my school and conference has is compactness; seven members being within 225 miles of each other says most teams can hit the road and return same day. That's a big plus given how important reducing travel times is becoming.

Depends on the pro sports leagues successfully completing their restarts. It's difficult to see university administrators giving a green light to college hoops if the NBA and/or MLB fail to complete their seasons.

Yep. Which is why I'm hoping that schools wait long enough for the MLB and NBA to get going. If those can start with limited issues then it gives some cover to colleges to play

(07-14-2020 09:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 04:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 04:18 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 03:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 07:44 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Do people still cling to the belief that there will be college sports in the fall?

It blows my mind how people naively think there’s going to be any college sports this fall.

I think there will be. One advantage my school and conference has is compactness; seven members being within 225 miles of each other says most teams can hit the road and return same day. That's a big plus given how important reducing travel times is becoming.

Depends on the pro sports leagues successfully completing their restarts. It's difficult to see university administrators giving a green light to college hoops if the NBA and/or MLB fail to complete their seasons.

Yep. Which is why I'm hoping that schools wait long enough for the MLB and NBA to get going. If those can start with limited issues then it gives some cover to colleges to play

NBA players are living in a bubble at Disneyland and are professionals getting paid with the ability to be part of the negotiations of how the season is played. Hard sell to put college players in the same situation when there's already issues about them not being paid.

(07-14-2020 11:00 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 09:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 04:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 04:18 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 03:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  It blows my mind how people naively think there’s going to be any college sports this fall.

I think there will be. One advantage my school and conference has is compactness; seven members being within 225 miles of each other says most teams can hit the road and return same day. That's a big plus given how important reducing travel times is becoming.

Depends on the pro sports leagues successfully completing their restarts. It's difficult to see university administrators giving a green light to college hoops if the NBA and/or MLB fail to complete their seasons.

Yep. Which is why I'm hoping that schools wait long enough for the MLB and NBA to get going. If those can start with limited issues then it gives some cover to colleges to play

NBA players are living in a bubble at Disneyland and are professionals getting paid with the ability to be part of the negotiations of how the season is played. Hard sell to put college players in the same situation when there's already issues about them not being paid.

There is an important difference that college teams have to address at some point, and that is the cost of the precautions NBA and MLB are taking versus college teams' inability to pay for the same precautions.

MLB is (supposedly) testing players once a week. NBA is, in addition to that, reportedly spending $150 million on keeping players and coaches in their Orlando bubble for the rest of their season. Neither league is permitting fans in ballparks or arenas.

If college teams not in the same conference play one another, they not only won't have the same protocols, but some will have almost none. I read last week that Portland State, a Big Sky program, plans to test athletes only once, when they first arrive on campus, and then just isolate anyone who shows visible symptoms of the virus. It's understandable because testing every athlete, coach, and staffer once a week all year would cost hundreds of thousands, and that's not in their budget. It's also a much lower standard of precaution than the pro leagues are taking, coupled with the assumption that, on average, pro athletes are going to be a lot more careful about their daily activities than college athletes.

(07-14-2020 11:00 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 09:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 04:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 04:18 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 03:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  It blows my mind how people naively think there’s going to be any college sports this fall.

I think there will be. One advantage my school and conference has is compactness; seven members being within 225 miles of each other says most teams can hit the road and return same day. That's a big plus given how important reducing travel times is becoming.

Depends on the pro sports leagues successfully completing their restarts. It's difficult to see university administrators giving a green light to college hoops if the NBA and/or MLB fail to complete their seasons.

Yep. Which is why I'm hoping that schools wait long enough for the MLB and NBA to get going. If those can start with limited issues then it gives some cover to colleges to play

NBA players are living in a bubble at Disneyland and are professionals getting paid with the ability to be part of the negotiations of how the season is played. Hard sell to put college players in the same situation when there's already issues about them not being paid.

I understand all of that. But if those leagues can pull it off it at least gives schools/conferences some cover. If the pros throw in the towel then it’s over for everyone

(07-14-2020 11:35 AM)Wedge Wrote:  ... I read last week that Portland State, a Big Sky program, plans to test athletes only once, when they first arrive on campus, and then just isolate anyone who shows visible symptoms of the virus. It's understandable because testing every athlete, coach, and staffer once a week all year would cost hundreds of thousands, and that's not in their budget. It's also a much lower standard of precaution than the pro leagues are taking, coupled with the assumption that, on average, pro athletes are going to be a lot more careful about their daily activities than college athletes.

Though they are getting close to a saliva test, which would allow testing every athlete, coach and staffer at the start of each office day / practice, when it pulls the cost per test below $5.

We are vacationing in New Mexico and what we see is a massive overkill of anti-COVID-19 actions by the New Mexico governor. Nobody likes her, especially NM residents.

(07-15-2020 09:16 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  We are vacationing in New Mexico and what we see is a massive overkill of anti-COVID-19 actions by the New Mexico governor. Nobody likes her, especially NM residents.

Interesting - I have quite a few friends that live in New Mexico and they all love her

(07-15-2020 10:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 09:16 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  We are vacationing in New Mexico and what we see is a massive overkill of anti-COVID-19 actions by the New Mexico governor. Nobody likes her, especially NM residents.

Interesting - I have quite a few friends that live in New Mexico and they all love her

It depends on whether or not you have a struggling small business or not I guess.

(07-15-2020 10:35 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 09:16 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  We are vacationing in New Mexico and what we see is a massive overkill of anti-COVID-19 actions by the New Mexico governor. Nobody likes her, especially NM residents.

Interesting - I have quite a few friends that live in New Mexico and they all love her

It depends on whether or not you have a struggling small business or not I guess.

Or you realize that the best way to get back into business is to get the virus under control.

I strongly suggest to our friends in New Mexico that they refrain from re-electing this poor soul


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(07-15-2020 09:16 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  We are vacationing in New Mexico and what we see is a massive overkill of anti-COVID-19 actions by the New Mexico governor. Nobody likes her, especially NM residents.

You are not seeing a representative sample in a vacation spot. Of course no one likes dealing with drastic restrictions -especially concerning vacations. Overall the majority of New Mexicans support her actions.
While I don’t agree with all her Covid responses , overall I think she has done a very fine job working to control the virus spread - in a very poor state with relatively few resources.
So far her early actions, back in March and April have proven to be the right ones. Unlike some states...

As for UNM and NMSU football - I will be very surprised if either of them play this year. Especially NMSU. Can not afford to lose the buy game revenue, but still shoulder the bulk of the costs.

(07-15-2020 11:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:35 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 09:16 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  We are vacationing in New Mexico and what we see is a massive overkill of anti-COVID-19 actions by the New Mexico governor. Nobody likes her, especially NM residents.

Interesting - I have quite a few friends that live in New Mexico and they all love her

It depends on whether or not you have a struggling small business or not I guess.

Or you realize that the best way to get back into business is to get the virus under control.

Of course we need to get the virus under control. But many businesses will go belly up before then. Quite a conundrum.

(07-15-2020 02:54 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 11:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:35 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:07 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 09:16 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  We are vacationing in New Mexico and what we see is a massive overkill of anti-COVID-19 actions by the New Mexico governor. Nobody likes her, especially NM residents.

Interesting - I have quite a few friends that live in New Mexico and they all love her

It depends on whether or not you have a struggling small business or not I guess.

Or you realize that the best way to get back into business is to get the virus under control.

Of course we need to get the virus under control. But many businesses will go belly up before then. Quite a conundrum.

Other countries have gotten it under control with complete shutdowns and payments to businesses and people, while testing/tracing/quarantining/wearing masks.

But Americans seem to be too resistant to do ANYTHING of value (look at all the anti-mask protests) to get the virus under control. And when a Governor even takes half-way tough measures, people complain about that.

And yes, vacationing in another state is part of the problem - how the virus spreads.