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USAToday 2018/2019 NCAA Finances
They still haven't updated their main page, but '18/'19 data is available by clicking on individual schools. Here's how the Tigers stacked up: (TUs, Tem, SMU and Navy are not listed)

2018/2019 Total Revenue:

UCONN $80,900,404
UH $75,049,955
UCF $69,121,887
UC $68,845,672
ECU $59,970,346
UM $55,815,109
USF $55,045,769

Tix + Cont:

UM $23,819,046
UCF $16,852,651
UC $14,648,721
UH $14,484,606
UCONN $14,438,107
ECU $14,131,526
USF $9,753,803

Subsidy:

UH 64%
ECU 63%
USF 58%
UCONN 54%
UCF 46%
UC 43%
UM 37%


https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances click on AAC schools for 2019 data. Veatch recently put out a statement saying the current budget is being cut by $4.4M. So, @$50M which is in line with what Rudd said a couple of years ago about the AAC media deal needing to be $6M to maintain a $50M budget...his figure for what was needed to compete and win in the AAC. Good to see in these unpredictable and tight times that the figures are still working...though I'm sure the AD didn't want to have to make those cuts.
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Actual revenues aren't that different across the board. The other conference members take a much bigger chunk from their students than we do. This is what the numbers would look like if generated revenue from the students at the same level as Houston does.

Houston
$75,049,055
$48,031,971 subsidy from students
$27,017,084 revenue not from students

Memphis
$55,815,109
$20,651,590 subsidy from students
35,163,518 revenue not from students

$20 million more from students at Houston than Memphis is a big deal. Having said that, both UCF and Houston built stadiums in the not so distant past. I'm sure that had something to do with it. Also, IF the school had the will to raise $100 million and the will to have students subsidize half, we could have a $200 million OCS built and paid off within 10 years. The main reason why Houston and UCF are able to do this is because they have much higher enrollment than we do.

ENROLLMENT
66,183 UCF
45,364 Houston
20,585 Memphis

I think our numbers didn't move very much in the last 25 years, except for the last few years, but someone should be able to correct me if I'm wrong.
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(07-10-2020 06:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Actual revenues aren't that different across the board. The other conference members take a much bigger chunk from their students than we do. This is what the numbers would look like if generated revenue from the students at the same level as Houston does.

Houston
$75,049,055
$48,031,971 subsidy from students
$27,017,084 revenue not from students

Memphis
$55,815,109
$20,651,590 subsidy from students
35,163,518 revenue not from students

$20 million more from students at Houston than Memphis is a big deal. Having said that, both UCF and Houston built stadiums in the not so distant past. I'm sure that had something to do with it. Also, IF the school had the will to raise $100 million and the will to have students subsidize half, we could have a $200 million OCS built and paid off within 10 years. The main reason why Houston and UCF are able to do this is because they have much higher enrollment than we do.

ENROLLMENT
66,183 UCF
45,364 Houston
20,585 Memphis

I think our numbers didn't move very much in the last 25 years, except for the last few years, but someone should be able to correct me if I'm wrong.

Wait... students are charged $1000/yr to support Athletics?

Given they only have access to facilities 8 months of the year, thats almost the same price as an Equinox membership. Thats actually insane.
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66,000 in Orlando vs 20,500 ion Memphis is mind boggling. I’m sure there’s a logical explanation but still mind boggling. When I moved to Orlando in 1989, I think it was a year before I knew UCF existed. They were Div 2 and no one cared. Their enrollment was roughly 20,000 and disproportionately P/T.
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(07-10-2020 07:05 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  66,000 in Orlando vs 20,500 ion Memphis is mind boggling. I’m sure there’s a logical explanation but still mind boggling. When I moved to Orlando in 1989, I think it was a year before I knew UCF existed. They were Div 2 and no one cared. Their enrollment was roughly 20,000 and disproportionately P/T.

UCF has massive online and part-time programs.

Their actual full-time traditional freshman classes are around 3900 students which suggests traditional, full time degree enrolllment probably in the 22-25K range
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(07-10-2020 12:15 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  They still haven't updated their main page, but '18/'19 data is available by clicking on individual schools. Here's how the Tigers stacked up: (TUs, Tem, SMU and Navy are not listed)

Fascinating

you realize it is 'covid 20/21, right?

I didn't see your football icon in front, so assuming this is for all ncaa sports?

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Good info thanks!
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Thanks gulfcoastgal.

Here are pics from clicking on the Memphis link. You can see a breakdown of both revenues and expenses.

Revenues
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Expenses
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(07-10-2020 07:03 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 06:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Actual revenues aren't that different across the board. The other conference members take a much bigger chunk from their students than we do. This is what the numbers would look like if generated revenue from the students at the same level as Houston does.

Houston
$75,049,055
$48,031,971 subsidy from students
$27,017,084 revenue not from students

Memphis
$55,815,109
$20,651,590 subsidy from students
35,163,518 revenue not from students

$20 million more from students at Houston than Memphis is a big deal. Having said that, both UCF and Houston built stadiums in the not so distant past. I'm sure that had something to do with it. Also, IF the school had the will to raise $100 million and the will to have students subsidize half, we could have a $200 million OCS built and paid off within 10 years. The main reason why Houston and UCF are able to do this is because they have much higher enrollment than we do.

ENROLLMENT
66,183 UCF
45,364 Houston
20,585 Memphis

I think our numbers didn't move very much in the last 25 years, except for the last few years, but someone should be able to correct me if I'm wrong.

Wait... students are charged $1000/yr to support Athletics?

Given they only have access to facilities 8 months of the year, thats almost the same price as an Equinox membership. Thats actually insane.

free ticket to every athletic event is worth like 5-600 bucks at least IMHO.
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(07-11-2020 01:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 07:03 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 06:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Actual revenues aren't that different across the board. The other conference members take a much bigger chunk from their students than we do. This is what the numbers would look like if generated revenue from the students at the same level as Houston does.

Houston
$75,049,055
$48,031,971 subsidy from students
$27,017,084 revenue not from students

Memphis
$55,815,109
$20,651,590 subsidy from students
35,163,518 revenue not from students

$20 million more from students at Houston than Memphis is a big deal. Having said that, both UCF and Houston built stadiums in the not so distant past. I'm sure that had something to do with it. Also, IF the school had the will to raise $100 million and the will to have students subsidize half, we could have a $200 million OCS built and paid off within 10 years. The main reason why Houston and UCF are able to do this is because they have much higher enrollment than we do.

ENROLLMENT
66,183 UCF
45,364 Houston
20,585 Memphis

I think our numbers didn't move very much in the last 25 years, except for the last few years, but someone should be able to correct me if I'm wrong.

Wait... students are charged $1000/yr to support Athletics?

Given they only have access to facilities 8 months of the year, thats almost the same price as an Equinox membership. Thats actually insane.

free ticket to every athletic event is worth like 5-600 bucks at least IMHO.

Sure if it was an actual ticket that you opted to buy but Its clearly not a free ticket to every event. There are like 20K students. If it was a "ticket" they wouldnt have any seats left to sell at the Forum. Its a captive subsidy to take advantage of students is what it is.

As a point of reference, UT-Austin doesnt automatically give tickets to events you have to opt-in. Full student
ticket package costs about $200 for the year for all sports.
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Power 5 membership has its privileges. The handful of G5 schools legitimately in no mans land... the frustrating spot between P5 and G5... have to creative find ways to bridge that 40 million dollar annual gap.
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(07-11-2020 04:12 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 01:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 07:03 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 06:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Actual revenues aren't that different across the board. The other conference members take a much bigger chunk from their students than we do. This is what the numbers would look like if generated revenue from the students at the same level as Houston does.

Houston
$75,049,055
$48,031,971 subsidy from students
$27,017,084 revenue not from students

Memphis
$55,815,109
$20,651,590 subsidy from students
35,163,518 revenue not from students

$20 million more from students at Houston than Memphis is a big deal. Having said that, both UCF and Houston built stadiums in the not so distant past. I'm sure that had something to do with it. Also, IF the school had the will to raise $100 million and the will to have students subsidize half, we could have a $200 million OCS built and paid off within 10 years. The main reason why Houston and UCF are able to do this is because they have much higher enrollment than we do.

ENROLLMENT
66,183 UCF
45,364 Houston
20,585 Memphis

I think our numbers didn't move very much in the last 25 years, except for the last few years, but someone should be able to correct me if I'm wrong.

Wait... students are charged $1000/yr to support Athletics?

Given they only have access to facilities 8 months of the year, thats almost the same price as an Equinox membership. Thats actually insane.

free ticket to every athletic event is worth like 5-600 bucks at least IMHO.

Sure if it was an actual ticket that you opted to buy but Its clearly not a free ticket to every event. There are like 20K students. If it was a "ticket" they wouldnt have any seats left to sell at the Forum. Its a captive subsidy to take advantage of students is what it is.

As a point of reference, UT-Austin doesnt automatically give tickets to events you have to opt-in. Full student
ticket package costs about $200 for the year for all sports.

Yeah but to do an accurate comp, you need to tell us how much student fees for athletics are at UT-Austin. They likely charge fees comparable to what Memphis does AND also charge for tickets.

And they have access to facilities all year long. The fees include summer fees as well - and the facilities are still open (well, except for the COVID thing).

This is the state of college athletics. It is a big part of the recruiting brand for universities. And it ain't cheap.
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(07-13-2020 10:13 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 04:12 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 01:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 07:03 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 06:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Actual revenues aren't that different across the board. The other conference members take a much bigger chunk from their students than we do. This is what the numbers would look like if generated revenue from the students at the same level as Houston does.

Houston
$75,049,055
$48,031,971 subsidy from students
$27,017,084 revenue not from students

Memphis
$55,815,109
$20,651,590 subsidy from students
35,163,518 revenue not from students

$20 million more from students at Houston than Memphis is a big deal. Having said that, both UCF and Houston built stadiums in the not so distant past. I'm sure that had something to do with it. Also, IF the school had the will to raise $100 million and the will to have students subsidize half, we could have a $200 million OCS built and paid off within 10 years. The main reason why Houston and UCF are able to do this is because they have much higher enrollment than we do.

ENROLLMENT
66,183 UCF
45,364 Houston
20,585 Memphis

I think our numbers didn't move very much in the last 25 years, except for the last few years, but someone should be able to correct me if I'm wrong.

Wait... students are charged $1000/yr to support Athletics?

Given they only have access to facilities 8 months of the year, thats almost the same price as an Equinox membership. Thats actually insane.

free ticket to every athletic event is worth like 5-600 bucks at least IMHO.

Sure if it was an actual ticket that you opted to buy but Its clearly not a free ticket to every event. There are like 20K students. If it was a "ticket" they wouldnt have any seats left to sell at the Forum. Its a captive subsidy to take advantage of students is what it is.

As a point of reference, UT-Austin doesnt automatically give tickets to events you have to opt-in. Full student
ticket package costs about $200 for the year for all sports.

Yeah but to do an accurate comp, you need to tell us how much student fees for athletics are at UT-Austin. They likely charge fees comparable to what Memphis does AND also charge for tickets.

And they have access to facilities all year long. The fees include summer fees as well - and the facilities are still open (well, except for the COVID thing).

This is the state of college athletics. It is a big part of the recruiting brand for universities. And it ain't cheap.

Unless im reading those numbers wrong, those are pure subsidy for the Athletics department. Mandatory fees are $0 for UT-Austin as an example. Facility dont show up in AD budget to my knowledge. Also in my time (c/o 2010) we definitely didnt have summer access to facilities. Had to pay a seperate fee unless you were enrolled in summer session.

I know its the state of college athletics but that doesnt make it any more sane. The idea that close to 10% of an instate student tuition fee goes to an AD subsidy is crazy to me.
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Student fees from the March 2019 BOT meeting
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https://www.memphis.edu/bot/pdfs/march-2...eeting.pdf
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(07-13-2020 07:41 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Power 5 membership has its privileges. The handful of G5 schools legitimately in no mans land... the frustrating spot between P5 and G5... have to creative find ways to bridge that 40 million dollar annual gap.

Agree, and momentum was just getting started. Who knows how things will look moving forward. Briefly looking at bottom end P5s, Tiger fanbase growth compares favorably. In '18/19, Memphis totaled more self generated revenue (ticket sales plus contributions) than Rutgers in the B1G, WSU and OSU out of the PAC and just shy of GA Tech in the ACC. It's one thing to be the top G5 fanbase ($ generated for multiple years running) and another when outspending/giving P5s. Still a long way to go though.
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(07-13-2020 11:20 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Student fees from the March 2019 BOT meeting
[Image: AAC-Student-Fees-per-school-2018.png]

https://www.memphis.edu/bot/pdfs/march-2...eeting.pdf

Good find. Looks like the "budgeted" university fund usage was about $15.5M and the AD had a budgeted deficit of $2.7M

Subsidy makeup was:
$700K base univ subsidy
$7.7M direct student athletic fees
$7M in "one-time" univ funding (there is a planned amount every year so not sure what the one-time refers to)

And there was a $2.7M deficit left to solve.. that report would imply that the way they solved the deficit was choosing one of the proposals with higher student fees (proposal would increase up to $10.2M)
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(07-10-2020 07:03 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(07-10-2020 06:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Actual revenues aren't that different across the board. The other conference members take a much bigger chunk from their students than we do. This is what the numbers would look like if generated revenue from the students at the same level as Houston does.

Houston
$75,049,055
$48,031,971 subsidy from students
$27,017,084 revenue not from students

Memphis
$55,815,109
$20,651,590 subsidy from students
35,163,518 revenue not from students

$20 million more from students at Houston than Memphis is a big deal. Having said that, both UCF and Houston built stadiums in the not so distant past. I'm sure that had something to do with it. Also, IF the school had the will to raise $100 million and the will to have students subsidize half, we could have a $200 million OCS built and paid off within 10 years. The main reason why Houston and UCF are able to do this is because they have much higher enrollment than we do.

ENROLLMENT
66,183 UCF
45,364 Houston
20,585 Memphis

I think our numbers didn't move very much in the last 25 years, except for the last few years, but someone should be able to correct me if I'm wrong.

Wait... students are charged $1000/yr to support Athletics?

Given they only have access to facilities 8 months of the year, thats almost the same price as an Equinox membership. Thats actually insane.

UConn has always soaked their students comparatively.

Memphis
20,585 Enrollment
$20,651,590 Student fees
$1,003 per student

UConn
32,183 Enrollment
$43,686,218 Student fees
$1,357 per student
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(07-13-2020 01:32 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  
(07-13-2020 11:20 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Student fees from the March 2019 BOT meeting
[Image: AAC-Student-Fees-per-school-2018.png]

https://www.memphis.edu/bot/pdfs/march-2...eeting.pdf

Good find. Looks like the "budgeted" university fund usage was about $15.5M and the AD had a budgeted deficit of $2.7M

Subsidy makeup was:
$700K base univ subsidy
$7.7M direct student athletic fees
$7M in "one-time" univ funding (there is a planned amount every year so not sure what the one-time refers to)

And there was a $2.7M deficit left to solve.. that report would imply that the way they solved the deficit was choosing one of the proposals with higher student fees (proposal would increase up to $10.2M)

That was one proposal, but I never saw where it got voted in. Per the latest info available (FY '18/19), student fees were $6,951,155 and the university transfer was $13,624,357. USAToday categorizes each as:
Quote: Student fees: Fees assessed to support athletics.

School funds: Includes both direct and indirect support from the university, including state funds, tuition, tuition waivers etc., as well as federal Work Study amounts for student workers employed by athletics department. It also includes state, municipal, federal and other appropriations for athletics, as well as the value of university-provided support such as administrative services, facilities and grounds maintenance, security, risk management, utilities, depreciation and debt service that is not charged to the athletics department.
https://sports.usatoday.com/2020/07/05/m...-database/
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