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(06-04-2021 12:39 PM)Usajags Wrote:  No way the USFL can compete with the NFL. Back in the early 80’s salaries had not exploded like they have now, it was easier to compete with that. I think the best bet is to prove your worth, the USFL survive for a couple years, produce some nice NFL players, and then get the all needed support from the NFL as a viable minor league system.

The NFL only has 10-12 practice squad players, essentially those are the guys that would get first call in case of injuries on the team. Minor league football would be a place to put players and keep them in playing shape in the event a team needed to fill a hole. There are enough players to support more then enough minor league teams. I could even see multiple leagues, a west coast league with 6-8 teams, a southeastern league and a northeastern league. Only play inter league games for 2 months, then a playoff including all leagues. Guys stay in shape, NFL teams get a good look with game film, but hopefully keep these guys healthy enough to be able to fill roster spots come fall. But these guys won’t get rich playing in these leagues, pay scales need to be around $10k-$20k for the season, with a couple high profile guys making more. Remember if these guys want to play football, this is their chance, there is no competing salaries, so no reason to over inflate and price yourself in pro bankruptcy.

NFL doesn't need or want a minor league though. They can already use the CFL for that. That's already where the "best of the rest" wind up.

I don't think you'll ever see an NFL minor league.
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I dont think you have to be a direct minor league to be successful. You can be a spring league and while not having the NFL pay scale stll attract enough tatelent have competitive interesting games.There is probably a significant audience that even now wishes there was fooball to watch in April/May/June.
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(06-04-2021 12:25 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  The old USFL back in the 80's had a great thing going before they ran out of money after a couple of years. Remember, they had big-name players like Herschel Walker, Doug Flutie, Reggie White, Jim Kelly, and Steve Young... and also drafted guys like Dan Marino, Jerry Rice, and Eric Dickerson (but chose to go to the NFL instead).

The NFL is a titan, but I don't think competition against it is impossible. It will require great leadership for USFL to be successful though.

They were fine until that cabal decided oh lets switch to the fall and compete directly and then threw all their eggs in the lawsuit basket. If they had stayed the course , stayed in the spring and then not tried to outspend the NFL maybe they would have made it.
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(06-04-2021 02:26 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 12:25 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  The old USFL back in the 80's had a great thing going before they ran out of money after a couple of years. Remember, they had big-name players like Herschel Walker, Doug Flutie, Reggie White, Jim Kelly, and Steve Young... and also drafted guys like Dan Marino, Jerry Rice, and Eric Dickerson (but chose to go to the NFL instead).

The NFL is a titan, but I don't think competition against it is impossible. It will require great leadership for USFL to be successful though.

They were fine until that cabal decided oh lets switch to the fall and compete directly and then threw all their eggs in the lawsuit basket. If they had stayed the course , stayed in the spring and then not tried to outspend the NFL maybe they would have made it.

But they were FAILING at that last part. And it wasnt just Donald Trump's team
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(06-04-2021 03:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 02:26 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 12:25 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  The old USFL back in the 80's had a great thing going before they ran out of money after a couple of years. Remember, they had big-name players like Herschel Walker, Doug Flutie, Reggie White, Jim Kelly, and Steve Young... and also drafted guys like Dan Marino, Jerry Rice, and Eric Dickerson (but chose to go to the NFL instead).

The NFL is a titan, but I don't think competition against it is impossible. It will require great leadership for USFL to be successful though.

They were fine until that cabal decided oh lets switch to the fall and compete directly and then threw all their eggs in the lawsuit basket. If they had stayed the course , stayed in the spring and then not tried to outspend the NFL maybe they would have made it.

But they were FAILING at that last part. And it wasnt just Donald Trump's team
No, it was a group of owners led by him who got greedy. The whole idea was that they figured they would force an AAFC style merger.
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(06-03-2021 08:51 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Except for South Alabama baseball, the SBC 20/21 season is over. We are almost officially in the off season, and expansion and spring football always seem to be the most talked about topic.

Hey we got T&F National Championships coming up this week!
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My advice for anyone starting a spring league.

1. Go to top 5 markets as needed to appease tv.
2. After the top 5 avoid MLB markets as much as possible. Smaller non-baseball markets give you a chance to build fan bases.
3. Don’t be stupid about wages. Why did the last two offer $50,000 to $55,000 for guys who would be long shots to make an NFL practice squad. Triple A, G League, USL all start below that salary point and play many many more games. Only AHL pays big money. Spring League pays less than FBS football room and board only.
4. Don’t waste your breath talking about NFL funding. They can’t assign players to your teams per the CBA. There is zero incentive for them and if someone wants to compete against you the NFL doesn’t want to be drug into a lawsuit.
5. Consider small stadiums. Spring summer football isn’t going to pull in much over 20,000 per game unless you build a fan base over time. If you are going to Orlando chase after the MLS stadium or UCF’s stadium. 20,000 looks good if you’ve got 35,000 or fewer seats. Not so good if you have 70,000.
6. Last and most important if you can’t fund it to year 4 based on crowds of 15,000 and cheap tickets just take the money to Vegas and put it all on red because your odds will better.
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(06-04-2021 03:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 02:26 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 12:25 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  The old USFL back in the 80's had a great thing going before they ran out of money after a couple of years. Remember, they had big-name players like Herschel Walker, Doug Flutie, Reggie White, Jim Kelly, and Steve Young... and also drafted guys like Dan Marino, Jerry Rice, and Eric Dickerson (but chose to go to the NFL instead).

The NFL is a titan, but I don't think competition against it is impossible. It will require great leadership for USFL to be successful though.

They were fine until that cabal decided oh lets switch to the fall and compete directly and then threw all their eggs in the lawsuit basket. If they had stayed the course , stayed in the spring and then not tried to outspend the NFL maybe they would have made it.

But they were FAILING at that last part. And it wasnt just Donald Trump's team

It was Trump and Eddie Einhorn.

The USFL after two years listened to their BS and voted to move to fall and 1985 was a lame duck season so isn’t worth considering. Trump claimed the networks were promising much more money if they would move to fall reality was neither ESPN nor any of the broadcast networks had encouraged the move and all said they had no interest in the USFL in the fall against the NFL and college.

Of the 1984 teams NY/NJ, Philadelphia, Birmingham, Memphis, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Denver, Houston, and Michigan were all very viable.

Pittsburgh, Oakland, Oklahoma, and Arizona were potentially viable but would require patience and money.

LA, San Antonio, Washington, Chicago were dead meat

Washington moved to Orlando and attendance was good they were viable. The Stars move to Baltimore was a bust as was the Breakers move to Portland. Attendance in Denver and Houston went to crap with the move to fall looming.
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One of Trump's old cronies called him a con man. Just another example. Failed.
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(06-08-2021 06:14 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 03:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 02:26 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-04-2021 12:25 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  The old USFL back in the 80's had a great thing going before they ran out of money after a couple of years. Remember, they had big-name players like Herschel Walker, Doug Flutie, Reggie White, Jim Kelly, and Steve Young... and also drafted guys like Dan Marino, Jerry Rice, and Eric Dickerson (but chose to go to the NFL instead).

The NFL is a titan, but I don't think competition against it is impossible. It will require great leadership for USFL to be successful though.

They were fine until that cabal decided oh lets switch to the fall and compete directly and then threw all their eggs in the lawsuit basket. If they had stayed the course , stayed in the spring and then not tried to outspend the NFL maybe they would have made it.

But they were FAILING at that last part. And it wasnt just Donald Trump's team

It was Trump and Eddie Einhorn.

The USFL after two years listened to their BS and voted to move to fall and 1985 was a lame duck season so isn’t worth considering. Trump claimed the networks were promising much more money if they would move to fall reality was neither ESPN nor any of the broadcast networks had encouraged the move and all said they had no interest in the USFL in the fall against the NFL and college.

Of the 1984 teams NY/NJ, Philadelphia, Birmingham, Memphis, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Denver, Houston, and Michigan were all very viable.

Pittsburgh, Oakland, Oklahoma, and Arizona were potentially viable but would require patience and money.

LA, San Antonio, Washington, Chicago were dead meat

Washington moved to Orlando and attendance was good they were viable. The Stars move to Baltimore was a bust as was the Breakers move to Portland. Attendance in Denver and Houston went to crap with the move to fall looming.
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Was so much fun to watch though.

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We had season tickets to the Birmingham Stallions and ended up paying for tickets for games that never happened. I’ve always disliked Trump because of what happened then. At least publicly he was the main force pushing for the move to the fall.
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Birmingham is ready to make a pitch to the USFL to bring a team back to Birmingham. Of course they are, Birmingham has been in every league since forever except the last edition of the XFL.

The surprising part is they want to put it in Legion Field, guessing the city council member pushing is the rep for that area. Legion holds 70k, and is falling apart. Birmingham ahas a brand new stadium in downtown that will hold 40k, much more in line with the amount of fans that will attend a USFL game.

I could see the USFL playing first year at Legion due to the World Games taking place next summer and it using Protective Stadium, but if the league makes it to year 2, you’ve got to move that product into the pretty new stadium, after all, that’s why you built it.

EDIT: Forgot to add the long of the story.

https://xflnewsroom.com/news/birmingham-...e-in-2022/
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[quote='Fighting Muskie' pid='17450858' dateline='1622818452']
I’d really like to see a spring minor league work in the US. All the recent prior attempts just can’t seem to get the stars to line up.

Here’s what I see a successful league looking like:

Start with 6-8 teams and gradually grow to 12-18.

Keep the teams regional to save travel costs. Concentrate them in the Southeast. There are plenty of good possibilities:

San Antonio
Houston
Dallas/Ft Worth
Tulsa
Little Rock
St Louis
Memphis
Louisville
Nashville
Birmingham
Mobile
Atlanta
Orlando
Raleigh
Hampton Roads

Sell/give a network an ownership share in exchange for coverage.

Keep expenses reasonable in the early years
[/quote

Hope we don't get one in Mobile, and more than likely we won't. If, by chance a minor league team does decide to come, they will play in the old bucket of rusted bolts known as Ladd Stadium. I'm sure Bama Anne will welcome them with open arms. The Senior Bowl is the only tenant we need at Hancock Whitney Stadium.
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The RFL operated in 1999, and Mobile lead the league in attendance. Seems like it was nearly 20k per game.

I think the RFL team plan of having each team made up mostly of regional college players to give them an instant personality was a good idea.

I don’t think Mobile is a viable option for a team, at least not now. Ladd is limping along and either needs to be torn down or a serious redevelopment of the stadium and surrounding neighborhood.
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Since the last time we talked about this, the whole college football world has lost its mind.

They are planning to kick this coming spring. Here’s an article with a lot of words of how they plan of going about this future failed spring league.

https://xflnewshub.com/xfl-news/usfl-pot...structure/
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Far more interested in the USFL. And latest is that they may try and sell franchises for investment...
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(08-06-2021 01:57 PM)panama Wrote:  Far more interested in the USFL. And latest is that they may try and sell franchises for investment...

It’s weird, all USFL news I find is on the XFL website.
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(08-06-2021 02:34 PM)Usajags Wrote:  
(08-06-2021 01:57 PM)panama Wrote:  Far more interested in the USFL. And latest is that they may try and sell franchises for investment...

It’s weird, all USFL news I find is on the XFL website.

Both of these relaunches are operating like NSA projects.
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When the USFL relaunches this spring, Birmingham could have more then a team. Birmingham may host the entire season in Legion Field and the new Protective Stadium.

https://www.al.com/news/2021/10/usfl-pro...-2022.html
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(10-11-2021 07:14 PM)Usajags Wrote:  When the USFL relaunches this spring, Birmingham could have more then a team. Birmingham may host the entire season in Legion Field and the new Protective Stadium.

https://www.al.com/news/2021/10/usfl-pro...-2022.html
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