(07-10-2020 04:35 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I have read where someone in the conferrence is floating an idea of three pods 5 with ND included.

The five pods play each other home and away, the best two records compete in Charlotte.

If this is being done under the cover story of saving travel that might mean:

ND, Louis, Pitt, BC, Syracuse
UNC, NCSU, Duke, VT, UVa
WF, CU, FSU, GT, Miami

Only if Notre Dame is ineligible for the championship game. They want to be independent then let them be independent.

(07-10-2020 07:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-10-2020 04:35 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I have read where someone in the conferrence is floating an idea of three pods 5 with ND included.

The five pods play each other home and away, the best two records compete in Charlotte.

If this is being done under the cover story of saving travel that might mean:

ND, Louis, Pitt, BC, Syracuse
UNC, NCSU, Duke, VT, UVa
WF, CU, FSU, GT, Miami

Only if Notre Dame is ineligible for the championship game. They want to be independent then let them be independent.

Reeling in the Irish for football is mostly about convincing their fans it's a good thing. Getting Notre Dame to play a full ACC schedule this year - including a possible berth in the CCG - is something they've never experienced. This could be the free sample that closes the sale.

(07-10-2020 09:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-10-2020 07:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-10-2020 04:35 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I have read where someone in the conferrence is floating an idea of three pods 5 with ND included.

The five pods play each other home and away, the best two records compete in Charlotte.

If this is being done under the cover story of saving travel that might mean:

ND, Louis, Pitt, BC, Syracuse
UNC, NCSU, Duke, VT, UVa
WF, CU, FSU, GT, Miami

Only if Notre Dame is ineligible for the championship game. They want to be independent then let them be independent.

Reeling in the Irish for football is mostly about convincing their fans it's a good thing. Getting Notre Dame to play a full ACC schedule this year - including a possible berth in the CCG - is something they've never experienced. This could be the free sample that closes the sale.

I happen to agree with Kap here.

I don't want ND fooball to be officially part of the ACC in 2020, just involved in the scheduling of some extra games.

Being eligible for the conference championship, even for one year, is too much entanglement/integration.

Frankly, with the move of the Navy game from Dublin, the cancellation of the Wisconsin Lambeau Field game and the cancellation of Southern Cal and Stanford games, almost all the appeal of the season is lost for me.

Too bad because with those games and the ACC games in NFL stadiums (Pitt, Wake Forest and Georgia Tech), 2020 was shaping up as a great schedule.

I know that Jack Swarbrick is grateful for the assistance, but as an ND fan an all ACC schedule just ain't the same (Granted, much better than an all indy one).

Anyway, this is all pretty much moot. The odds of a 2020 season are about zero.

I disagree with Terry. If we're in for a year I want to compete for the CC. Might as well because of the amount of games we will be playing.

From SI.com:

Quote:The ACC Has A Golden Opportunity To Entice Notre Dame
...During World War II, the Naval Academy stepped up and helped Notre Dame to survive as an institution, and Notre Dame has repaid that with over 70 years of loyalty by playing the Midshipmen every single season. For much of the last four decades playing Navy has done absolutely nothing for Notre Dame, but that hasn’t stopped the Irish program from remaining loyal to an institution that stepped up to the plate in their time of need.

...if Swofford was really savvy he would offer Notre Dame the opportunity to join the league as a full-time partner for just one season. That offer should come with no future promises or guarantees. That sign of friendship, partnership and loyalty would not go unnoticed by the leaders at Notre Dame.

Just as important, it would not go unnoticed by Notre Dame fans, who for the most part fully embrace the program's independence. I guarantee you’d see a lot of pro-staying independent fans soften their stance if the ACC stepped up and helped [salvage] the 2020 season...

https://www.si.com/college/notredame/foo...pportunity

The ACC doesn't need to try to corner Notre Dame the institution; it needs to SELL the Notre Dame fans on joining the ACC first.

(07-11-2020 12:02 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From SI.com:

Quote:The ACC Has A Golden Opportunity To Entice Notre Dame
...During World War II, the Naval Academy stepped up and helped Notre Dame to survive as an institution, and Notre Dame has repaid that with over 70 years of loyalty by playing the Midshipmen every single season. For much of the last four decades playing Navy has done absolutely nothing for Notre Dame, but that hasn’t stopped the Irish program from remaining loyal to an institution that stepped up to the plate in their time of need.

...if Swofford was really savvy he would offer Notre Dame the opportunity to join the league as a full-time partner for just one season. That offer should come with no future promises or guarantees. That sign of friendship, partnership and loyalty would not go unnoticed by the leaders at Notre Dame.

Just as important, it would not go unnoticed by Notre Dame fans, who for the most part fully embrace the program's independence. I guarantee you’d see a lot of pro-staying independent fans soften their stance if the ACC stepped up and helped [salvage] the 2020 season...

https://www.si.com/college/notredame/foo...pportunity

The ACC doesn't need to try to corner Notre Dame the institution; it needs to SELL the Notre Dame fans on joining the ACC first.

Piss on Notre Dame the institution and their entitled fans. They choose to be independent, let them worry about scheduling games when all the conferences go to conference only games. That's what they desire so give it to them.

(07-11-2020 12:57 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 12:02 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From SI.com:

Quote:The ACC Has A Golden Opportunity To Entice Notre Dame
...During World War II, the Naval Academy stepped up and helped Notre Dame to survive as an institution, and Notre Dame has repaid that with over 70 years of loyalty by playing the Midshipmen every single season. For much of the last four decades playing Navy has done absolutely nothing for Notre Dame, but that hasn’t stopped the Irish program from remaining loyal to an institution that stepped up to the plate in their time of need.

...if Swofford was really savvy he would offer Notre Dame the opportunity to join the league as a full-time partner for just one season. That offer should come with no future promises or guarantees. That sign of friendship, partnership and loyalty would not go unnoticed by the leaders at Notre Dame.

Just as important, it would not go unnoticed by Notre Dame fans, who for the most part fully embrace the program's independence. I guarantee you’d see a lot of pro-staying independent fans soften their stance if the ACC stepped up and helped [salvage] the 2020 season...

https://www.si.com/college/notredame/foo...pportunity

The ACC doesn't need to try to corner Notre Dame the institution; it needs to SELL the Notre Dame fans on joining the ACC first.

Piss on Notre Dame the institution and their entitled fans. They choose to be independent, let them worry about scheduling games when all the conferences go to conference only games. That's what they desire so give it to them.

I am with you, Kap.

I'd rather play a cobbled together independent schedule or just cancel the season than play as a full ACC member. Too much conference entanglement for me.

You tell 'em.

Too bad nobody listens to you. The ACC will always take care of ND over your objections.

It must be frustrating but keep fighting the good fight.

Also, this is all pointless since there will not be a season in 2020.

2021? TBD.

(07-10-2020 04:35 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I have read where someone in the conferrence is floating an idea of three pods 5 with ND included.

The five pods play each other home and away, the best two records compete in Charlotte.

If this is being done under the cover story of saving travel that might mean:

ND, Louis, Pitt, BC, Syracuse
UNC, NCSU, Duke, VT, UVa
WF, CU, FSU, GT, Miami

https://twitter.com/jwgiglio/status/1281640308502134785

Joe Giglio: One scheduling model on the table for the ACC:

Ten games but not 10 individual games, rather a home-and-home between five teams.

Notre Dame would be included and count in the ACC standings

There wouldn't be any other games against teams outside the league

Ben Swain tweeted a response: I’ve already heard this option got a 11-4 approval with the 4 no’s being schools scheduled to play Clemson twice.

Covid is likely to have more to do with realignment than we could imagine right now.
I think we will play if only to mostly empty stadiums.
The fallacy of having a conference stretch from Boston to Miami is being exposed.
Nebraska or Rutgers in the Big Ten?
Colorado is on the wrong side of the Rockies to play a west coast schedule.
Things that made sense a few years ago are now having to be re-thought.

The biggest obstacle is TV. Conferences were built (expanded) based on markets not convenience.

Back to the original point of the thread.
Even though Notre Dame is an institutional fit for many schools in our conference, they occupy the wrong geography to be in the ACC.
All schools should be looking to find a more regional schedule where they can transport their teams on their own buses and avoid as much "public" transportation as possible.

Sorry TerryD, this only means that the idea of Notre Dame joining the B1G is going to raise it's ugly head again.
Even those on Rock's House were really more in favor of the B1G when they had their realignment board, and still view the ACC with disdain.

(07-11-2020 08:55 AM)XLance Wrote:  Sorry TerryD, this only means that the idea of Notre Dame joining the B1G is going to raise it's ugly head again.
Even those on Rock's House were really more in favor of the B1G when they had their realignment board, and still view the ACC with disdain.

I remember that poll.

That was asking a worst case scenario question, like would you rather die of cancer or a heart attack ? :)


Well, if everyone moves to regional stuff and ND football has to join a conference, then making $35 million a year more in the Big Ten will put ND in a better spot than most schools, right?

(07-11-2020 09:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 08:55 AM)XLance Wrote:  Sorry TerryD, this only means that the idea of Notre Dame joining the B1G is going to raise it's ugly head again.
Even those on Rock's House were really more in favor of the B1G when they had their realignment board, and still view the ACC with disdain.

I remember that poll.

That was asking a worst case scenario question, like would you rather die of cancer or a heart attack ? :)


Well, if everyone moves to regional stuff and ND football has to join a conference, then making $35 million a year more in the Big Ten will put ND in a better spot than most schools, right?

If you have to go.....you might as well be wealthy when you do.

(07-11-2020 09:07 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 09:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 08:55 AM)XLance Wrote:  Sorry TerryD, this only means that the idea of Notre Dame joining the B1G is going to raise it's ugly head again.
Even those on Rock's House were really more in favor of the B1G when they had their realignment board, and still view the ACC with disdain.

I remember that poll.

That was asking a worst case scenario question, like would you rather die of cancer or a heart attack ? :)


Well, if everyone moves to regional stuff and ND football has to join a conference, then making $35 million a year more in the Big Ten will put ND in a better spot than most schools, right?

If you have to go.....you might as well be wealthy when you do.

As the saying goes: "We are all whores, the only difference is the price."

I have come up with a Proposed ACC 10 game schedule that also assist Notre Dame with them not forced to join the ACC.

First, I assumes that Notre Dame goes to a 10 game schedule & keeps Navy, and adds BYU. Also I keep current ACC schedule games and only needs to add 1 extra ACC team with a home and home (Miami is that team)!

Teams already schedule to face Notre Dame: (will not need a H&H)
Wake Forest
Pitt
Duke
Clemson
GT
Louisville

Single Games from Notre Dame Schedule fallout:
Clemson vs GT
Duke vs Pitt
Louisville vs Wake

Home & Home Schedules for teams schedule to play single games with ND
Duke-Clemson, Duke-GT, Duke-Louisville, Duke-Wake
GT-Duke, GT-Wake, GT-Louisville, GT-Pitt
Clemson-Duke, Clemson-Louisville, Clemson-Wake, Clemson-Pitt
Pitt-Clemson, Pitt-GT, Pitt-Wake, Pitt-Louisville
Louisville-Duke, Louisville-GT, Louisville-Pitt, Louisville-Clemson
Wake-Duke, Wake-GT, Wake-Pitt, Wake-Clemson

Team Added to Notre Dame schedule: Miami (Miami & ND will be H&H)
Miami-ND, Miami-FSU, Miami-BC, Miami-VT, Miami-NC State

Rest of ACC H&H Schedules:
BC-Cuse, BC-VT, BC-UVA, BC-Miami, BC-NC State
Cuse-BC, Cuse-VT, Cuse-UVA, Cuse-UNC, Cuse-NC State
NC State-BC, NC State-Cuse, NC State-UNC, NC State-FSU, NC State-Miami
UNC- NC State, UNC-Cuse, UNC-FSU, UNC-VT, UNC-UVA
VT-UVA, VT-BC, Cuse-VT, VT-FSU, VT-Miami
FSU-NC State, FSU-Miami, FSU-UNC, FSU-VT, FSU-UVA
UVA-VT, UVA-BC, Cuse-UVA, UNC-UVA, UVA-FSU


Final ACC 10 Game Schedule for 2020:
BC-Cuse, BC-VT, BC-UVA, BC-Miami, BC-NC State
Cuse-BC, Cuse-VT, Cuse-UVA, Cuse-UNC, Cuse-NC State
NC State-BC, NC State-Cuse, NC State-UNC, NC State-FSU, NC State-Miami
UNC- NC State, UNC-Cuse, UNC-FSU, UNC-VT, UNC-UVA
VT-UVA, VT-BC, Cuse-VT, VT-FSU, VT-Miami
FSU-NC State, FSU-Miami, FSU-UNC, FSU-VT, FSU-UVA
UVA-VT, UVA-BC, Cuse-UVA, UNC-UVA, UVA-FSU
Miami -ND, Miami-FSU, Miami-BC, Miami-VT, Miami-NC State
Duke-Clemson, Duke-GT, Duke-Louisville, Duke-Wake (Duke-Pitt/Duke-ND)
GT-Duke, GT-Wake, GT-Louisville, GT-Pitt (GT-Clemson/GT-ND)
Clemson-Duke, Clemson-Louisville, Clemson-Wake, Clemson-Pitt (Clemson-GT/Clemson-ND)
Pitt-Clemson, Pitt-GT, Pitt-Wake, Pitt-Louisville(Pitt-Duke/Pitt-ND)
Louisville-Duke, Louisville-GT, Louisville-Pitt, Louisville-Clemson (Louisville-Wake/Louisville-ND)
Wake-Duke, Wake-GT, Wake-Pitt, Wake-Clemson (Wake-Louisville/Wake-ND)

So UGAg and UCF drop off the schedule. That means force majeure has now cancelled both attempts at GT vs UCF. That makes it a lot easier to get bowl eligible. Maybe Collins will make good on that bowl promise, albeit not how anybody would have drawn it up.

(07-11-2020 10:00 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  I have come up with a Proposed ACC 10 game schedule that also assist Notre Dame with them not forced to join the ACC.

First, I assumes that Notre Dame goes to a 10 game schedule & keeps Navy, and adds BYU. Also I keep current ACC schedule games and only needs to add 1 extra ACC team with a home and home (Miami is that team)!

Teams already schedule to face Notre Dame: (will not need a H&H)
Wake Forest
Pitt
Duke
Clemson
GT
Louisville

Single Games from Notre Dame Schedule fallout:
Clemson vs GT
Duke vs Pitt
Louisville vs Wake

Home & Home Schedules for teams schedule to play single games with ND
Duke-Clemson, Duke-GT, Duke-Louisville, Duke-Wake
GT-Duke, GT-Wake, GT-Louisville, GT-Pitt
Clemson-Duke, Clemson-Louisville, Clemson-Wake, Clemson-Pitt
Pitt-Clemson, Pitt-GT, Pitt-Wake, Pitt-Louisville
Louisville-Duke, Louisville-GT, Louisville-Pitt, Louisville-Clemson
Wake-Duke, Wake-GT, Wake-Pitt, Wake-Clemson

Team Added to Notre Dame schedule: Miami (Miami & ND will be H&H)
Miami-ND, Miami-FSU, Miami-BC, Miami-UNC, Miami-NC State

Rest of ACC H&H Schedules:
BC-Cuse, BC-VT, BC-UVA, BC-Miami, BC-NC State
Cuse-BC, Cuse-VT, Cuse-UVA, Cuse-UNC, Cuse-NC State
NC State-BC, NC State-Cuse, NC State-UNC, NC State-FSU, NC State-Miami
UNC- NC State, UNC-Cuse, UNC-FSU, UNC-Miami, UNC-UVA
VT-UVA, VT-BC, Cuse-VT, VT-UNC, VT-FSU
FSU-NC State, FSU-Miami, FSU-UNC, FSU-VT, FSU-UVA
UVA-VT, UVA-BC, Cuse-UVA, UNC-UVA, UVA-FSU


Final ACC 10 Game Schedule for 2020:
BC-Cuse, BC-VT, BC-UVA, BC-Miami, BC-NC State
Cuse-BC, Cuse-VT, Cuse-UVA, Cuse-UNC, Cuse-NC State
NC State-BC, NC State-Cuse, NC State-UNC, NC State-FSU, NC State-Miami
UNC- NC State, UNC-Cuse, UNC-FSU, UNC-Miami, UNC-UVA
VT-UVA, VT-BC, Cuse-VT, VT-UNC, VT-FSU
FSU-NC State, FSU-Miami, FSU-UNC, FSU-VT, FSU-UVA
UVA-VT, UVA-BC, Cuse-UVA, UNC-UVA, UVA-FSU
Miami -ND, Miami-FSU, Miami-BC, Miami-UNC, Miami-NC State
Duke-Clemson, Duke-GT, Duke-Louisville, Duke-Wake (Duke-Pitt/Duke-ND)
GT-Duke, GT-Wake, GT-Louisville, GT-Pitt (GT-Clemson/GT-ND)
Clemson-Duke, Clemson-Louisville, Clemson-Wake, Clemson-Pitt (Clemson-GT/Clemson-ND)
Pitt-Clemson, Pitt-GT, Pitt-Wake, Pitt-Louisville(Pitt-Duke/Pitt-ND)
Louisville-Duke, Louisville-GT, Louisville-Pitt, Louisville-Clemson (Louisville-Wake/Louisville-ND)
Wake-Duke, Wake-GT, Wake-Pitt, Wake-Clemson (Wake-Louisville/Wake-ND)

How does it work that VT plays UNC twice but UNC doesn't play VT at all?

(07-11-2020 08:51 AM)XLance Wrote:  Covid is likely to have more to do with realignment than we could imagine right now.
I think we will play if only to mostly empty stadiums.
The fallacy of having a conference stretch from Boston to Miami the existing Atlantic and Coastal division alignment is being exposed.

FIFY.

We all know why the divisions are drawn the way they were, but now it's time to change them to something that makes geographic sense: ACC North and South.

ACC North (or East if that sounds better):
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
UVA
UNC
VT
Duke

ACC South
Louisville
NC State
Wake Forest
Clemson
GT
FSU
Miami

Reduces travel significantly; average driving distance in division would drop from 563 miles to just 450 miles - a reduction of 113 miles per game on average!

Both of these divisions are 5 states only; the current Atlantic division spans 6 states.

Both have at least 2 states with excellent recruiting areas (although the South's are better, admittedly, but access to Florida and Georgia can be maintained through proper scheduling models).

Guarantees 2 different regions will be represented in the ACC CG - unless NC State or Wake Forest somehow win the South, in which case anything is possible.

(07-11-2020 12:55 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 10:00 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  I have come up with a Proposed ACC 10 game schedule that also assist Notre Dame with them not forced to join the ACC.

First, I assumes that Notre Dame goes to a 10 game schedule & keeps Navy, and adds BYU. Also I keep current ACC schedule games and only needs to add 1 extra ACC team with a home and home (Miami is that team)!

Teams already schedule to face Notre Dame: (will not need a H&H)
Wake Forest
Pitt
Duke
Clemson
GT
Louisville

Single Games from Notre Dame Schedule fallout:
Clemson vs GT
Duke vs Pitt
Louisville vs Wake

Home & Home Schedules for teams schedule to play single games with ND
Duke-Clemson, Duke-GT, Duke-Louisville, Duke-Wake
GT-Duke, GT-Wake, GT-Louisville, GT-Pitt
Clemson-Duke, Clemson-Louisville, Clemson-Wake, Clemson-Pitt
Pitt-Clemson, Pitt-GT, Pitt-Wake, Pitt-Louisville
Louisville-Duke, Louisville-GT, Louisville-Pitt, Louisville-Clemson
Wake-Duke, Wake-GT, Wake-Pitt, Wake-Clemson

Team Added to Notre Dame schedule: Miami (Miami & ND will be H&H)
Miami-ND, Miami-FSU, Miami-BC, Miami-UNC, Miami-NC State

Rest of ACC H&H Schedules:
BC-Cuse, BC-VT, BC-UVA, BC-Miami, BC-NC State
Cuse-BC, Cuse-VT, Cuse-UVA, Cuse-UNC, Cuse-NC State
NC State-BC, NC State-Cuse, NC State-UNC, NC State-FSU, NC State-Miami
UNC- NC State, UNC-Cuse, UNC-FSU, UNC-Miami, UNC-UVA
VT-UVA, VT-BC, Cuse-VT, VT-UNC, VT-FSU
FSU-NC State, FSU-Miami, FSU-UNC, FSU-VT, FSU-UVA
UVA-VT, UVA-BC, Cuse-UVA, UNC-UVA, UVA-FSU


Final ACC 10 Game Schedule for 2020:
BC-Cuse, BC-VT, BC-UVA, BC-Miami, BC-NC State
Cuse-BC, Cuse-VT, Cuse-UVA, Cuse-UNC, Cuse-NC State
NC State-BC, NC State-Cuse, NC State-UNC, NC State-FSU, NC State-Miami
UNC- NC State, UNC-Cuse, UNC-FSU, UNC-Miami, UNC-UVA
VT-UVA, VT-BC, Cuse-VT, VT-UNC, VT-FSU
FSU-NC State, FSU-Miami, FSU-UNC, FSU-VT, FSU-UVA
UVA-VT, UVA-BC, Cuse-UVA, UNC-UVA, UVA-FSU
Miami -ND, Miami-FSU, Miami-BC, Miami-UNC, Miami-NC State
Duke-Clemson, Duke-GT, Duke-Louisville, Duke-Wake (Duke-Pitt/Duke-ND)
GT-Duke, GT-Wake, GT-Louisville, GT-Pitt (GT-Clemson/GT-ND)
Clemson-Duke, Clemson-Louisville, Clemson-Wake, Clemson-Pitt (Clemson-GT/Clemson-ND)
Pitt-Clemson, Pitt-GT, Pitt-Wake, Pitt-Louisville(Pitt-Duke/Pitt-ND)
Louisville-Duke, Louisville-GT, Louisville-Pitt, Louisville-Clemson (Louisville-Wake/Louisville-ND)
Wake-Duke, Wake-GT, Wake-Pitt, Wake-Clemson (Wake-Louisville/Wake-ND)

How does it work that VT plays UNC twice but UNC doesn't play VT at all?

Corrected... Thanks....
UNC- NC State, UNC-Cuse, UNC-FSU, UNC-Miami, UNC-UVA
VT-UVA, VT-BC, Cuse-VT, VT-UNC, VT-FSU

(07-11-2020 12:49 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  So UGAg and UCF drop off the schedule. That means force majeure has now cancelled both attempts at GT vs UCF. That makes it a lot easier to get bowl eligible. Maybe Collins will make good on that bowl promise, albeit not how anybody would have drawn it up.

Carolina's two scheduled games with UCF (last year and this year) also gone.