(07-09-2020 10:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-09-2020 10:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  I can see pushback from ECU for ODU and App St.

Georgia State is another wildcard, but I don’t know their budget to see if it’s feasible.

I like Georgia State for the Atlanta market.

Georgia State doesn't at all bring even a smidgen of the Atlanta market, though. They can't draw flies to their games. They are utterly and completely buried by Georgia, Georgia Tech, the Falcons, the Braves and even Clemson and outside of Georgia SEC teams.

App State carries far more of the Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, and Winston-Salem/Greensboro markets than Georgia State does in Atlanta, despite being located well outside of those cities.

(07-09-2020 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(07-09-2020 10:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-09-2020 10:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  I can see pushback from ECU for ODU and App St.

Georgia State is another wildcard, but I don’t know their budget to see if it’s feasible.

I like Georgia State for the Atlanta market.

Georgia State doesn't at all bring even a smidgen of the Atlanta market, though. They can't draw flies to their games. They are utterly and completely buried by Georgia, Georgia Tech, the Falcons, the Braves and even Clemson and outside of Georgia SEC teams.

App State carries far more of the Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, and Winston-Salem/Greensboro markets than Georgia State does in Atlanta, despite being located well outside of those cities.

I agree with the comment about GA State and Atlanta Market

(07-09-2020 11:02 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(07-09-2020 10:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(07-09-2020 10:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  I can see pushback from ECU for ODU and App St.

Georgia State is another wildcard, but I don’t know their budget to see if it’s feasible.

I like Georgia State for the Atlanta market.

Georgia State doesn't at all bring even a smidgen of the Atlanta market, though. They can't draw flies to their games. They are utterly and completely buried by Georgia, Georgia Tech, the Falcons, the Braves and even Clemson and outside of Georgia SEC teams.

App State carries far more of the Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham, and Winston-Salem/Greensboro markets than Georgia State does in Atlanta, despite being located well outside of those cities.

Georgia is the #1 state for FB recruits (outside of California) that the AAC currently does not have a member in. Georgia St might not bring tv ratings, but they open up Atlanta recruiting territory for everyone.

(07-06-2020 02:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 01:07 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 11:32 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 09:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If it's about long term, how has being in Dallas helped C-USA? How would you assess the strength of the conference now compared to 15 years ago?

The factors you mention seem to be of more benefit to conference staff bureaucracy than to membership.

C-USA issues and struggles have nothing to do with being based in Dallas. It’s inept leadership that is being enabled by school presidents.

It helps being in the middle of the country where you can fly to either coast in 3 hours. It’s where decisions that impact college football are made (CFP committee). It doesn’t hurt a P5 and a G5 conference have its headquarters nearby. It’s all about networking.

Dallas blows Providence out of the water in every category.

This is not the Big Ten, Pac-12, SEC and even the Big XII where Chicago, L.A., Atlanta and Dallas are the cultural center of the conference. It’s a G5 conference where most of its members are waiting for a better conference. Having their headquarters in Dallas is more of a business decision rather than a historical or sentimental feeling about the identity of the conference.

FWIW, I haven't defended Providence at all. Made no sense for the AAC to be HQd in Providence, so a move is a good idea. I just don't know why the AAC chose Dallas, in the far west of the conference.

As for C-USA, you didn't move from Providence to Dallas, you moved from Chicago to Dallas. Chicago is a bit of a different story than Providence, and I don't see how C-USA has benefited from any "networking" or closeness to the CFP in Dallas the past 15 years.

Don't get me wrong - for CUSA Dallas actually isn't a bad choice, given four Texas schools and LA-Tech not far. But Dallas is NOT a bad choice for you and yet there are zero apparent benefits to being there. For the AAC, Dallas is much farther afield.

Again, staff bureaucracy preference is the only thing i can see driving this for the AAC.

Read Attackcoog post. Being headquartered in Dallas has its benefits.

This is the reason why you’ll see the C-USA tournament in Frisco for the foreseeable future. This has been discussed ad nauseam on the C-USA board. Unless you have cities like El Paso guaranteeing $1 million to the conference, they’ll have the tournament where the money is (DFW).

Again, this move has nothing to do with the schools affiliated in the AAC. SMU might not even be there in five or ten years. It’s all about money. The only two cities in the footprint that make sense for the reasons mentioned before are Houston and Atlanta.....maybe Charlotte too.

I read Coog's post, doesn't resonate with me. Corporate sponsorships can be found in any big city. Dallas is just far afield for most of the AAC and regarding airport access, DFW is a nightmare.

As I said, Dallas makes sense for C-USA, you guys have a lot of schools reasonably nearby- and yes, schools do matter, because that allows personnel from the different schools natural opportunities to visit the conference offices, when their teams travel to the location. FIU travels to DFW to play North Texas, that's an opportunity for FIU officials to meet with conference officials in Dallas. That's why it doesn't make sense for the AAC to have HQ in Atlanta, no schools anywhere near there.

Quo, you keep saying Dallas only works for the far west, but FOUR of the AAC's 12 schools are "out there" fairly close: SMU, Houston, Tulsa and Wichita. Two more are within driving distance (Memphis and Tulane), and one more (Navy) preferred to play in the West division.

No other big city location in the country has more AAC schools closer to it than Dallas.

Think about it. USF and UCF in Florida. Temple (and Navy) in the northeast. Cincy in the midwest. ECU by itself and hard to get to.

Dallas makes all the sense in the world for the AAC. What doesn't make sense is to have a conference spread all over, but that's a different issue.

(07-09-2020 12:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  No other big city location in the country has more AAC schools closer to it than Dallas.

Think about it. USF and UCF in Florida. Temple (and Navy) in the northeast. Cincy in the midwest. ECU by itself and hard to get to.

Dallas makes all the sense in the world for the AAC. What doesn't make sense is to have a conference spread all over, but that's a different issue.

Memphis is 460 miles from Dallas, New Orleans is 500 miles. I mean technically that is "driving distance", then again I guess we can say Washington DC is driving distance from New Orleans, because I once made that 1100 mile drive in a single day - a very long 16 1/2 hours of constant driving, stopping only for gas day, LOL.

Anyway, like I said, Dallas is obviously a way-big improvement over Providence. But for symbolic reasons I like Memphis best for HQ, with New Orleans and Cincy next. Dallas to me is too far west, it sends the wrong signal about what type of conference the AAC is.