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RE: Battle of Portland Day 53 (Antifa/BLM vs. United States)
The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.
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RE: Battle of Portland Day 53 (Antifa/BLM vs. United States)
(07-22-2020 07:53 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.

Frankly if I were Trump I’d let the cities burn. He stands nothing to gain by sending him troops. Those cities will still vote Dem and will bad mouth him. The law abiding, level headed citizens will eventually move away.
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RE: Battle of Portland Day 53 (Antifa/BLM vs. United States)
(07-22-2020 07:53 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.

If the majority of Americans who will vote in November are stupid enough to believe that allowing protesters to riot and destroy things is favorable - regardless if Trump trying to protect federal property or not - then our country is already finished.
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(07-22-2020 07:53 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.

Agreed, but I think it's the media making this a lose-lose situation even moreso than the governor and mayor. Regardless of what Trump does, it will be reported to be a negative action. As shown in this thread, the media will run with blatant lies to push their agenda. If they would report on these things accurately, the mayor and especially the governor would be forced to change their tune.

However, there may be a silver lining to this. Not sure if it was this thread or another one I was reading on here last night that had the Tim Pool video talking about long time Democrats voting for Trump. Someone in that thread mentioned how those people no longer have a party; they love America but in the past have disagreed on how to run the country. It's impossible for them to support the violence being perpetrated right now, but they see the media and the Democrats supporting it. Perhaps this blatant insanity will blow up in all of their faces and truly will push a lot of people to vote for Trump come November.
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(07-22-2020 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 07:53 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.

Frankly if I were Trump I’d let the cities burn. He stands nothing to gain by sending him troops. Those cities will still vote Dem and will bad mouth him. The law abiding, level headed citizens will eventually move away.

So Trump should let American cities burn if the people there don't vote for him? That's called authoritarianism.
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(07-22-2020 08:12 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 07:53 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.

Frankly if I were Trump I’d let the cities burn. He stands nothing to gain by sending him troops. Those cities will still vote Dem and will bad mouth him. The law abiding, level headed citizens will eventually move away.

So Trump should let American cities burn if the people there don't vote for him? That's called authoritarianism.
Exactly. And he can't go in and siege the cities or remove the government because that's tyranny.

If it were me, I'd send in federal agents and lock'em all up in a federal pokey (the "protestors"). The media and the local officials will bad mouth him, but that's nothing new.

If you're walking with the group or with the group as they are attempting to destroy federal property you're guilty by association. If you claim to be part of the press, present your credentials and if it checks out, you're free to go sorry for the inconvenience.
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RE: Battle of Portland Day 53 (Antifa/BLM vs. United States)
(07-22-2020 08:12 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 07:53 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.

Frankly if I were Trump I’d let the cities burn. He stands nothing to gain by sending him troops. Those cities will still vote Dem and will bad mouth him. The law abiding, level headed citizens will eventually move away.

So Trump should let American cities burn if the people there don't vote for him? That's called authoritarianism.

Interesting spin attempt - but no. IMHO, Trump made a mistake by sending the Feds into Portland to try to protect Federal buildings. The primary responsibility of the health of a city is the MAYOR and the CITY COUNCIL. IF a city is being destroyed by violent protesters, it's the responsibility of the local government to restore order. IF the mayors and city councils choose to not restore order and thus allow rioters to destroy their cities - then that's THEIR responsibility.

JFC what a stupid statement.
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(07-22-2020 08:16 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:12 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 07:53 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.

Frankly if I were Trump I’d let the cities burn. He stands nothing to gain by sending him troops. Those cities will still vote Dem and will bad mouth him. The law abiding, level headed citizens will eventually move away.

So Trump should let American cities burn if the people there don't vote for him? That's called authoritarianism.
Exactly. And he can't go in and siege the cities or remove the government because that's tyranny.

If it were me, I'd send in federal agents and lock'em all up in a federal pokey (the "protestors"). The media and the local officials will bad mouth him, but that's nothing new.

If you're walking with the group or with the group as they are attempting to destroy federal property you're guilty by association. If you claim to be part of the press, present your credentials and if it checks out, you're free to go sorry for the inconvenience.

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

The thought of these scrawny, soyboy "anti fascists" being locked up with actual skinheads is too much. I can't help but chuckle. Let's see how tough they are when actually faced with violent white supremacists that might as well be Arnold Schwarzenegger when compared to most of them physically.
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RE: Battle of Portland Day 53 (Antifa/BLM vs. United States)
(07-22-2020 08:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:12 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 07:53 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.

Frankly if I were Trump I’d let the cities burn. He stands nothing to gain by sending him troops. Those cities will still vote Dem and will bad mouth him. The law abiding, level headed citizens will eventually move away.

So Trump should let American cities burn if the people there don't vote for him? That's called authoritarianism.

Interesting spin attempt - but no. IMHO, Trump made a mistake by sending the Feds into Portland to try to protect Federal buildings. The primary responsibility of the health of a city is the MAYOR and the CITY COUNCIL. IF a city is being destroyed by violent protesters, it's the responsibility of the local government to restore order. IF the mayors and city councils choose to not restore order and thus allow rioters to destroy their cities - then that's THEIR responsibility.

JFC what a stupid statement.

Exactly! And when it is all said and done I’d remind the leftovers in that city it was the local elected officials who sat and watched Rome burn (and in some cases encouraged it).

If/when Trump sends troops in to these other cities some judge somehow here is going to say it is illegal. Trump can and will appeal and i believe that lower court decision would be overturned. By that time the damage would have been done anyway.
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If I were him, I'd very publicly offer federal agents or troops to quell violence to each individual city. That way, when Dem mayors reject the aid, it's not on Trump. Then stand back and let the rioters destroy the liberal big cities.
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I'm at the point I give zero fcucks about these cities. Let them burn. Give them to the left. I for one will never visit any of them anymore anyways.
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(07-22-2020 08:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:12 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 07:53 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.

Frankly if I were Trump I’d let the cities burn. He stands nothing to gain by sending him troops. Those cities will still vote Dem and will bad mouth him. The law abiding, level headed citizens will eventually move away.

So Trump should let American cities burn if the people there don't vote for him? That's called authoritarianism.

Interesting spin attempt - but no. IMHO, Trump made a mistake by sending the Feds into Portland to try to protect Federal buildings. The primary responsibility of the health of a city is the MAYOR and the CITY COUNCIL. IF a city is being destroyed by violent protesters, it's the responsibility of the local government to restore order. IF the mayors and city councils choose to not restore order and thus allow rioters to destroy their cities - then that's THEIR responsibility.

JFC what a stupid statement.

It's not a spin at all. Choosing to withhold support from a city because a majority of the people that live there didn't vote for you is the literal definition of authoritarianism.

Also, that's not how government works in a crisis at all. Do you really think the federal government told NYC to "deal with it yourself" after 9/11? What do you think the national guard or agencies like FEMA are even for?

JFC what a stupid statement.
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(07-22-2020 08:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Interesting spin attempt - but no. IMHO, Trump made a mistake by sending the Feds into Portland to try to protect Federal buildings.

Nope, nope, nope.

Federal buildings fall under the responsibility and security of the Federal Government.

Send the feds in with their security, defend the federal buildings armed as needed, and if the rooters burn down the shopping center across the street. That's the city's responsibility.

But make one move of a building that is owned/operated by the federal governmanet, and well... That's these clowns death wish, then so be it.
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(07-22-2020 08:32 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:12 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 07:53 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.

Frankly if I were Trump I’d let the cities burn. He stands nothing to gain by sending him troops. Those cities will still vote Dem and will bad mouth him. The law abiding, level headed citizens will eventually move away.

So Trump should let American cities burn if the people there don't vote for him? That's called authoritarianism.

Interesting spin attempt - but no. IMHO, Trump made a mistake by sending the Feds into Portland to try to protect Federal buildings. The primary responsibility of the health of a city is the MAYOR and the CITY COUNCIL. IF a city is being destroyed by violent protesters, it's the responsibility of the local government to restore order. IF the mayors and city councils choose to not restore order and thus allow rioters to destroy their cities - then that's THEIR responsibility.

JFC what a stupid statement.

It's not a spin at all. Choosing to withhold support from a city because a majority of the people that live there didn't vote for you is the literal definition of authoritarianism.

Also, that's not how government works in a crisis at all. Do you really think the federal government told NYC to "deal with it yourself" after 9/11? What do you think the national guard or agencies like FEMA are even for?

JFC what a stupid statement.

This is not the same situation as Post 9/11 or Katrina. The only authority Trump has to deploy federal troops within the country to suppress rebellion and civil disorder is the Insurrection Act. It’s been used about a couple dozen times, the last instance was in the aftermath of the Rodney King Riots In 1992.
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(07-22-2020 08:32 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:12 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 07:53 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The Portland mayor and Oregon governor are making this a lose-lose scenario for Trump.

Withdraw the feds and let the unrest go unabated nullifies his self-proclaimed "law and order" persona. Use heavy handed tactics, and protester-sympathizing media will compare it to Tienanmen Square authoritarianism.

The governor and especially the mayor are politically safe, regardless of outcome. Portland is a left-wing echo chamber and there's no way they'll lose their "jobs" to Republican challengers.

I'm not even a Trump fan. But it's frustrating watching this political chess match being played out while the emo kids burn sections of Portland (and other cities) down.

Frankly if I were Trump I’d let the cities burn. He stands nothing to gain by sending him troops. Those cities will still vote Dem and will bad mouth him. The law abiding, level headed citizens will eventually move away.

So Trump should let American cities burn if the people there don't vote for him? That's called authoritarianism.

Interesting spin attempt - but no. IMHO, Trump made a mistake by sending the Feds into Portland to try to protect Federal buildings. The primary responsibility of the health of a city is the MAYOR and the CITY COUNCIL. IF a city is being destroyed by violent protesters, it's the responsibility of the local government to restore order. IF the mayors and city councils choose to not restore order and thus allow rioters to destroy their cities - then that's THEIR responsibility.

JFC what a stupid statement.

It's not a spin at all. Choosing to withhold support from a city because a majority of the people that live there didn't vote for you is the literal definition of authoritarianism.

Also, that's not how government works in a crisis at all. Do you really think the federal government told NYC to "deal with it yourself" after 9/11? What do you think the national guard or agencies like FEMA are even for?

JFC what a stupid statement.

You're wrong. Feds respond to emergencies when requested by the state and local governments, or they immediately reach out to the affected areas and offer help. Ten times out of 10, the state and local governments welcome the aid. Also, 9/11 was an UNEXPECTED attack by OUTSIDERS. Tornadoes and Hurricanes are natural disasters that are UNEXPECTED weather events that can cause great damage outside of people's control. That's how crisis management has always worked.

Do you not recall that the Portland mayor - along with the mayors of Chicago, Seattle, Kansas City, etc have called upon Trump to WITHDRAW the Feds???
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I agree with the comment that Trump should proclaim that assistance is available and ready to roll, the governor simply has to ask. That puts the decision squarely off Trump but he can continue the law and order message by being visibly upset and critical of the dems running these states.

With that said, I do believe he should protect federal buildings that are necessary for the functioning of the federal government if these cities and states will not do it. Those are federal property and damaging them is a federal crime. I would clearly state that as my position and make it clear that anyone causing damage will be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent.
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(07-22-2020 08:42 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:32 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:12 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Frankly if I were Trump I’d let the cities burn. He stands nothing to gain by sending him troops. Those cities will still vote Dem and will bad mouth him. The law abiding, level headed citizens will eventually move away.

So Trump should let American cities burn if the people there don't vote for him? That's called authoritarianism.

Interesting spin attempt - but no. IMHO, Trump made a mistake by sending the Feds into Portland to try to protect Federal buildings. The primary responsibility of the health of a city is the MAYOR and the CITY COUNCIL. IF a city is being destroyed by violent protesters, it's the responsibility of the local government to restore order. IF the mayors and city councils choose to not restore order and thus allow rioters to destroy their cities - then that's THEIR responsibility.

JFC what a stupid statement.

It's not a spin at all. Choosing to withhold support from a city because a majority of the people that live there didn't vote for you is the literal definition of authoritarianism.

Also, that's not how government works in a crisis at all. Do you really think the federal government told NYC to "deal with it yourself" after 9/11? What do you think the national guard or agencies like FEMA are even for?

JFC what a stupid statement.

You're wrong. Feds respond to emergencies when requested by the state and local governments, or they immediately reach out to the affected areas and offer help. Ten times out of 10, the state and local governments welcome the aid. Also, 9/11 was an UNEXPECTED attack by OUTSIDERS. Tornadoes and Hurricanes are natural disasters that are UNEXPECTED weather events that can cause great damage outside of people's control. That's how crisis management has always worked.

Do you not recall that the Portland mayor - along with the mayors of Chicago, Seattle, Kansas City, etc have called upon Trump to WITHDRAW the Feds???

Last I checked, Antifa was a terrorist organization under investigation for outside funding just like Al Qaeda was. Are you trying to allude that this attack on Portland was expected?

It doesn't matter what mayors want because orders from the governor supercede that and orders from the president supercede that of the governors. Again, it's Donald Trump's duty to uphold the constitution which in case you forgot ensures domestic tranquility, provides for the common defense, and promotes the general wellfare for all Americans, not just the places where his base is located.
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The sedition and insurrection act should be fully enforced on Portland any other area that has this type of terrorist activity.
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(07-22-2020 08:54 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:42 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:32 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:12 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  So Trump should let American cities burn if the people there don't vote for him? That's called authoritarianism.

Interesting spin attempt - but no. IMHO, Trump made a mistake by sending the Feds into Portland to try to protect Federal buildings. The primary responsibility of the health of a city is the MAYOR and the CITY COUNCIL. IF a city is being destroyed by violent protesters, it's the responsibility of the local government to restore order. IF the mayors and city councils choose to not restore order and thus allow rioters to destroy their cities - then that's THEIR responsibility.

JFC what a stupid statement.

It's not a spin at all. Choosing to withhold support from a city because a majority of the people that live there didn't vote for you is the literal definition of authoritarianism.

Also, that's not how government works in a crisis at all. Do you really think the federal government told NYC to "deal with it yourself" after 9/11? What do you think the national guard or agencies like FEMA are even for?

JFC what a stupid statement.

You're wrong. Feds respond to emergencies when requested by the state and local governments, or they immediately reach out to the affected areas and offer help. Ten times out of 10, the state and local governments welcome the aid. Also, 9/11 was an UNEXPECTED attack by OUTSIDERS. Tornadoes and Hurricanes are natural disasters that are UNEXPECTED weather events that can cause great damage outside of people's control. That's how crisis management has always worked.

Do you not recall that the Portland mayor - along with the mayors of Chicago, Seattle, Kansas City, etc have called upon Trump to WITHDRAW the Feds???

Last I checked, Antifa was a terrorist organization under investigation for outside funding just like Al Qaeda was. Are you trying to allude that this attack on Portland was expected?

It doesn't matter what mayors want because orders from the governor supercede that and orders from the president supercede that of the governors. Again, it's Donald Trump's duty to uphold the constitution which in case you forgot ensures domestic tranquility, provides for the common defense, and promotes the general wellfare for all Americans, not just the places where his base is located.

So you are admitting that the democratic mayor and governor are ignoring their oath to defend the constitution and that the actions of the protesters are a clear and present danger to the rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution?
07-22-2020 09:11 AM
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RE: Battle of Portland Day 53 (Antifa/BLM vs. United States)
(07-22-2020 08:54 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:42 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:32 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(07-22-2020 08:12 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  So Trump should let American cities burn if the people there don't vote for him? That's called authoritarianism.

Interesting spin attempt - but no. IMHO, Trump made a mistake by sending the Feds into Portland to try to protect Federal buildings. The primary responsibility of the health of a city is the MAYOR and the CITY COUNCIL. IF a city is being destroyed by violent protesters, it's the responsibility of the local government to restore order. IF the mayors and city councils choose to not restore order and thus allow rioters to destroy their cities - then that's THEIR responsibility.

JFC what a stupid statement.

It's not a spin at all. Choosing to withhold support from a city because a majority of the people that live there didn't vote for you is the literal definition of authoritarianism.

Also, that's not how government works in a crisis at all. Do you really think the federal government told NYC to "deal with it yourself" after 9/11? What do you think the national guard or agencies like FEMA are even for?

JFC what a stupid statement.

You're wrong. Feds respond to emergencies when requested by the state and local governments, or they immediately reach out to the affected areas and offer help. Ten times out of 10, the state and local governments welcome the aid. Also, 9/11 was an UNEXPECTED attack by OUTSIDERS. Tornadoes and Hurricanes are natural disasters that are UNEXPECTED weather events that can cause great damage outside of people's control. That's how crisis management has always worked.

Do you not recall that the Portland mayor - along with the mayors of Chicago, Seattle, Kansas City, etc have called upon Trump to WITHDRAW the Feds???

Last I checked, Antifa was a terrorist organization under investigation for outside funding just like Al Qaeda was. Are you trying to allude that this attack on Portland was expected?

It doesn't matter what mayors want because orders from the governor supercede that and orders from the president supercede that of the governors. Again, it's Donald Trump's duty to uphold the constitution which in case you forgot ensures domestic tranquility, provides for the common defense, and promotes the general wellfare for all Americans, not just the places where his base is located.

Have they been officially designated as domestic terrorists? Just because Trump calls them that doesn't mean the federal gov't literally has them designated as a terrorist group like ISIS, Al Queda, etc. According to this, there is no legal standing to do so, but if you have news contrary to that then please post it.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trump-...anization/

Quote:“There’s no legal process or meaning” for what the president said, Patel told us. “He’s reflecting on the process that we use for foreign terrorist organizations.”

The secretary of state has the legal authority to designate groups as foreign terrorist organizations under federal law. The federal government makes those FTO designations through a six-step process involving the State Department and other agencies. The designations enable the federal government to freeze assets, prosecute individuals for aiding those groups and restrict immigration for members of those groups, as the Government Accountability Office explains.

“[W]e have federal criminal statutes regarding ‘Acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries’, but no equivalent for domestic terrorism,” Forest told us. “As an example, Timothy McVeigh was prosecuted in federal court for the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing under a federal law addressing ‘weapons of mass destruction’ because the ideology that motivated his attack was not connected to any foreign entity.”

If there were a domestic terrorist designation, Patel said, it would “undoubtedly face a First Amendment challenge, which is likely to succeed.”

The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service also explained in a 2017 report that the “federal government lacks a process for publicly designating domestic terrorist organizations. In other words, there is no official open-source roster of domestic groups that the FBI or other federal agencies target as terrorist organizations.”

So...there is no legal standing for Trump to go into Portland to combat "Domestic Terrorists" since they do not exist in our legal framework. So...Trump cannot just go there. However, both the governor of Oregon and the mayor of Portland do not want the Feds there. And since our constitution has a DIVISION of power where states have rights that the federal gov't cannot infringe upon (so states are not automatically subservient like you claim as is true in foreign countries). Someone mentioned protection of federal property and they can be there to do that. Otherwise, Trump cannot force the Feds onto the states and local communities if those governments refuse the help.
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