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Video collaboration between DeKalb and Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=963238794121719
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(06-30-2020 06:30 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Video collaboration between DeKalb and Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=963238794121719

Thanks for posting, sounds like they think its a big deal, nice.
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(06-30-2020 08:36 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Facebook Stadium? Facebook Convocation Center? I'll take what I can get at this point

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Huge deal for the city. Can’t see how some are being negative about this. There are already other companies looking to invest as well. Tax dollars can help revitalize other blighted areas of DeKalb. Plus, Facebook claims they will give back to the area with partnerships. Great opportunities for students and the new tech building that’s supposed be built on campus.
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More video on the announcement: https://abc7chicago.com/business/faceboo...b/6284159/

Hope the city is making a push for other tech firms, would be amazing.
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(06-30-2020 09:00 PM)Dtownboys Wrote:  Huge deal for the city. Can’t see how some are being negative about this. There are already other companies looking to invest as well. Tax dollars can help revitalize other blighted areas of DeKalb. Plus, Facebook claims they will give back to the area with partnerships. Great opportunities for students and the new tech building that’s supposed be built on campus.

Even better for the guy that sold the land for this to be put on. A nice chunk of that $800 goes right in the pockets.
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The Facebook rep on the WGN video clip also said this is a 2 building agreement but they’re looking for a 5-7 year commitment with expansion of additional building’s ideally. Big revenue for DeKalb, huge win to help build a reputation to attract more tech companies. Only 100 jobs, which will be posted in a matter of days.
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(06-30-2020 09:32 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:24 AM)timxlydon Wrote:  I’m not too optimistic that this will do much for DeKalb long term. Facebook is getting a 55% tax reduction for 20 years and this data center will only have an estimated 100 operational jobs. The general contractor, Mortenson, isn’t even an in-state company. Their headquarters is in Minneapolis.

I know we all want something to come and save our beloved NIU and DeKalb, but this ain’t it. Still, it’s interesting news nonetheless.

Mortenson may be headquarted in Minneapolis but where are the people coming from that are doing the actual work (carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc)?

Edit: To answer my own question, or speculate, I'd guess they aren't coming from Minneapolis but they aren't necessarily coming from DeKalb either but most likely, they're coming from somewhere regionally in the Chicago to Rockford area. Which, again, that's work in Illinois which is a good thing.

You’re right. They’re likely coming from Chicagoland. My company has worked with Mortenson on multiple jobs.
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(06-30-2020 09:56 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:32 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:24 AM)timxlydon Wrote:  I’m not too optimistic that this will do much for DeKalb long term. Facebook is getting a 55% tax reduction for 20 years and this data center will only have an estimated 100 operational jobs. The general contractor, Mortenson, isn’t even an in-state company. Their headquarters is in Minneapolis.

I know we all want something to come and save our beloved NIU and DeKalb, but this ain’t it. Still, it’s interesting news nonetheless.

Mortenson may be headquarted in Minneapolis but where are the people coming from that are doing the actual work (carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc)?

Edit: To answer my own question, or speculate, I'd guess they aren't coming from Minneapolis but they aren't necessarily coming from DeKalb either but most likely, they're coming from somewhere regionally in the Chicago to Rockford area. Which, again, that's work in Illinois which is a good thing.

I was a union bricklayer in the summer during my college days. Back then, when out of state contractors came in, they had to hire local union workers. Not all the workers. But they definitely had to hire some
Local.

It’s common in Chicago, where a handful of jobs require a % of Chicago workers, sometimes specific zip codes.

My guess is workers will encompass Chicagoland. Plumbers for example:
http://plumberslu130ua.com/territorial.aspx
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This is absolutely wonderful how DeKalb has really put itself on the map! More jobs and money will flow into DeKalb. (Although yes, there will be more vehicular traffic.) This will have a very positive impact on DeKalb and, hopefully, NIU. With Facebook, Ferrara candy, and others seemingly popping out of the weeds, this just has to mean some big donations coming to NIU in the future. As soon as the dust settles and these companies are up and running, it should be a foremost task of NIU to do some heavy marketing and build positive relationships with these companies.
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RE: Facebook building 800 million data center in DeKalb
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Outta touch with reality.
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Yes, your ivory tower reality.

Work for and talk to white, black and hispanic contractors and subs. Talk to anyone who's lived in a city that built a huge industrial complex, or even large residential/business/retail projects. Do you really think all of these projects in DeKalb are going to be built with local labor? And do you think all of the workers and their spouses and children are going to pack up and move after the initial projects are finished? There's nothing political/racial about this. It's how construction works in many places in the U.S.

Where do you see your reality-based labor force coming from?

This is just one example...

Latino Worker Migration to Post-Katrina New Orleans

Latino worker migration to post-Katrina New Orleans transformed the
demographic profile of the metropolitan area’s Hispanic community.

As thousands of migrant workers – estimated between 30,000 and 100,000 – arrived in the wake of the storm, Latino demographics, such as population size, country of origin, age, gender, and occupation, noticeably shifted.

Over the next year, a new and robust community of mostly male, working-class migrant workers from throughout Latin America augmented a modestly sized and predominantly middle-class Hispanic population.

Although nearly half of the construction workers in April 2006 were thought to be Latino, of whom 54 percent were estimated to be undocumented, New Orleans’ post-Katrina migrant workforce also included African Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans, and whites.

Latinos migrated to the region from within the United States as well as abroad, as documented and undocumented laborers. Some workers came on their own, while others were recruited directly by employers.

In the aftermath of the storm, rebuilding contractors recruited Latino workers
within and outside the U. S. to fill the labor shortage, promising workers high wages of up to $17 per hour in addition to free food, lodging, and transportation.62 Migrants were 13 recruited as individuals and in small groups while others were hired in swaths of thousands to undertake large-scale contracts, such as FEMA trailer installation.
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Outta touch with reality.
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Yes, your ivory tower reality.

Work for and talk to white, black and hispanic contractors and subs. Talk to anyone who's lived in a city that built a huge industrial complex, or even large residential/business/retail projects. Do you really think all of these projects in DeKalb are going to be built with local labor? And do you think all of the workers and their spouses and children are going to pack up and move after the initial projects are finished? There's nothing political/racial about this. It's how construction works in many places in the U.S.

Where do you see your reality-based labor force coming from?

This is just one example...

Latino Worker Migration to Post-Katrina New Orleans

Latino worker migration to post-Katrina New Orleans transformed the
demographic profile of the metropolitan area’s Hispanic community.

As thousands of migrant workers – estimated between 30,000 and 100,000 – arrived in the wake of the storm, Latino demographics, such as population size, country of origin, age, gender, and occupation, noticeably shifted.

Over the next year, a new and robust community of mostly male, working-class migrant workers from throughout Latin America augmented a modestly sized and predominantly middle-class Hispanic population.

Although nearly half of the construction workers in April 2006 were thought to be Latino, of whom 54 percent were estimated to be undocumented, New Orleans’ post-Katrina migrant workforce also included African Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans, and whites.

Latinos migrated to the region from within the United States as well as abroad, as documented and undocumented laborers. Some workers came on their own, while others were recruited directly by employers.

In the aftermath of the storm, rebuilding contractors recruited Latino workers
within and outside the U. S. to fill the labor shortage, promising workers high wages of up to $17 per hour in addition to free food, lodging, and transportation.62 Migrants were 13 recruited as individuals and in small groups while others were hired in swaths of thousands to undertake large-scale contracts, such as FEMA trailer installation.
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Nothing in that article (cite?) is contrary to my comment.

New Orleans post Katrina, by the way, is a whole lot different than this. This is ONE project. With ONE owner. The labor will come from where ever the contractor can/ do get heir labor from. If it is union labor, the pay rates (as was mentioned here) will be quite handsome. Post Katrina you had most of an entire city destroyed. Most of a city needing to be rebuilt. That labor had to come in from elsewhere, and did, is not a negative. You made it sound like a negative. If I misread your first post, I apologize. And as to the second, its best not to comment on anything on the internet without knowing its source, and you did not post the source on that blurb, so .... ?
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(07-01-2020 07:32 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:56 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:32 AM)Big Red Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:24 AM)timxlydon Wrote:  I’m not too optimistic that this will do much for DeKalb long term. Facebook is getting a 55% tax reduction for 20 years and this data center will only have an estimated 100 operational jobs. The general contractor, Mortenson, isn’t even an in-state company. Their headquarters is in Minneapolis.

I know we all want something to come and save our beloved NIU and DeKalb, but this ain’t it. Still, it’s interesting news nonetheless.

Mortenson may be headquarted in Minneapolis but where are the people coming from that are doing the actual work (carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc)?

Edit: To answer my own question, or speculate, I'd guess they aren't coming from Minneapolis but they aren't necessarily coming from DeKalb either but most likely, they're coming from somewhere regionally in the Chicago to Rockford area. Which, again, that's work in Illinois which is a good thing.

I was a union bricklayer in the summer during my college days. Back then, when out of state contractors came in, they had to hire local union workers. Not all the workers. But they definitely had to hire some
Local.

It’s common in Chicago, where a handful of jobs require a % of Chicago workers, sometimes specific zip codes.

My guess is workers will encompass Chicagoland. Plumbers for example:
http://plumberslu130ua.com/territorial.aspx
yes.
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I wonder if this will push the talk of a hotel at the Peace Road exit? I know one has been discussed prior.

Guessing the "100 jobs" everyone is obsessed about is the minimum guarantee for locals that was built into the deal, and not a full estimate of full-time on-site workers. Have to imagine a fair amount of traffic going in and out of town with a facility like that?
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I’m not sure this is going to bring “tech jobs” or “internship opportunities” to DeKalb. Will they be developing technology here or just replacing one piece of server hardware with another when something fails?

The biggest boon to the local economy will probably be the initial construction. After that isn’t it just basically like an Amazon warehouse?
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(07-02-2020 06:34 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  I’m not sure this is going to bring “tech jobs” or “internship opportunities” to DeKalb. Will they be developing technology here or just replacing one piece of server hardware with another when something fails?

The biggest boon to the local economy will probably be the initial construction. After that isn’t it just basically like an Amazon warehouse?

An Amazon warehouse provides a good number of jobs.

This though, like you said, not much (100 or so...which isn't nothing), but the biggest gain is probably from taxes (and notoriety which may attract other tech companies...or other companies from other industries).
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(07-01-2020 11:46 AM)chihuskie Wrote:  Nothing in that article (cite?) is contrary to my comment.

New Orleans post Katrina, by the way, is a whole lot different than this. This is ONE project. With ONE owner. The labor will come from where ever the contractor can/ do get heir labor from. If it is union labor, the pay rates (as was mentioned here) will be quite handsome. Post Katrina you had most of an entire city destroyed. Most of a city needing to be rebuilt. That labor had to come in from elsewhere, and did, is not a negative. You made it sound like a negative. If I misread your first post, I apologize. And as to the second, its best not to comment on anything on the internet without knowing its source, and you did not post the source on that blurb, so .... ?

My apologies. I thought this thread and others contained news that there were 3-5 large building projects coming to DeKalb. Thank you for clarifying that the FB project is the only one coming to DeKalb. No other warehouses, distribution centers, call centers or offices have been announced recently. Nothing large has broken ground recently.

If you ever want to see the source for a long academic reference, take a sentence from the reference and put it into Google.
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(07-02-2020 08:53 AM)Huckin Fuskie Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 11:46 AM)chihuskie Wrote:  Nothing in that article (cite?) is contrary to my comment.

New Orleans post Katrina, by the way, is a whole lot different than this. This is ONE project. With ONE owner. The labor will come from where ever the contractor can/ do get heir labor from. If it is union labor, the pay rates (as was mentioned here) will be quite handsome. Post Katrina you had most of an entire city destroyed. Most of a city needing to be rebuilt. That labor had to come in from elsewhere, and did, is not a negative. You made it sound like a negative. If I misread your first post, I apologize. And as to the second, its best not to comment on anything on the internet without knowing its source, and you did not post the source on that blurb, so .... ?

My apologies. I thought this thread and others contained news that there were 3-5 large building projects coming to DeKalb. Thank you for clarifying that the FB project is the only one coming to DeKalb. No other warehouses, distribution centers, call centers or offices have been announced recently. Nothing large has broken ground recently.

If you ever want to see the source for a long academic reference, take a sentence from the reference and put it into Google.

I did and I still wasn't able to figure out the source.

And that's not how this works. You don't claim something and then go tell other's to look it up.

You clearly know the source, but for some reason, you don't want to share it.
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(07-02-2020 09:46 AM)Big Red Wrote:  I did and I still wasn't able to figure out the source.

And that's not how this works. You don't claim something and then go tell other's to look it up.

You clearly know the source, but for some reason, you don't want to share it.

I put the first sentence into Google and got the source as the third result (as that sentence appeared in bold face on the search page results. It took three seconds. I'm embarrassed for you.

You telling others how things work on this board is not how this works. I didn't "claim something." I posted a piece from a scholarly article that any grownup would have read without wondering if The Deep State wrote it.

And how is this hugely relevant to the final point -- that large construction projects often bring in a large influx of outside workers (and the service people who then support them), who stay in the area? I gave one quick example to mollify someone who said that this FACT is out of touch with reality.

I "clearly" don't want to share the source? How could I hide it even if I didn't want you to see it -- it only takes three seconds to Google. I could post the link now, but I get to annoy a Karen by not doing it.

You are hoping to show that my source of information is Deep State, and therefore, my point is false, and that DeKalb won't experience an influx of new residents/workerswon't due to 3-5 large building projects -- and that means no locales with large building projects ever experience an influx of workers to do the work.

What is your point? Where are YOUR facts?
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(07-02-2020 06:34 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  I’m not sure this is going to bring “tech jobs” or “internship opportunities” to DeKalb. Will they be developing technology here or just replacing one piece of server hardware with another when something fails?

The biggest boon to the local economy will probably be the initial construction. After that isn’t it just basically like an Amazon warehouse?

Seems like they are obsessed with the community involvement and environmental sides of things. From their website:

"Community & Economic Development:

Facebook is committed to being a force for good wherever we work by providing jobs, growing the economy, and supporting programs that benefit the communities we live in.

Sustainability:

Our Sustainability team’s mission is to support Facebook’s ability to operate and grow efficiently and responsibly and empower people to build sustainable communities.

Leads company-wide strategy in driving operational excellence from design, construction, and operation of our business. We prioritize efficiency, water conservation, and supply chain excellence and are proud to say our facilities are among the most water and energy efficient in the world."

Guessing they have a Facebook tent at homecoming at some point, buy the naming rights to the Children's room in the public library, that kind of a thing? Hopefully they sponsor some items in the NIU Business/Computer/Environmental programs.

Just the extra tax $ is a positive, but guessing they try to bolster the community more than other normal industrial residents.
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