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Ivy League considering major changes
https://thespun.com/college-football/ivy...all-season

Ivy is considering playing only a 7 game season and also considering playing a 7 game season starting in April.
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Well, they got the ball rolling on the end of college sports when this started. Seems like a logical next step. They’re okay with pushing this off but not fully throwing in the towel.
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Hmmm? Been to several Quakers’ games at Franklin Field. They have no problem with spacing and adequate social distancing for fans.

Big Green may be worried that their lead in Ivy titles is at risk.

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All kidding aside, good move by the Ivy to cut the schedule and make a contingency for spring games. It’s appearing increasingly obvious that we are not able to manage the spread and risks from this pandemic.
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(06-29-2020 10:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://thespun.com/college-football/ivy...all-season

Ivy is considering playing only a 7 game season and also considering playing a 7 game season starting in April.

Hopefully the P5 emulates the conference games-only strategy because outside of rivalry games, OOC games are pointless.
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Not an issue for Cornell either. Hockey is gonna be tricky, though.
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The Ivy League - do to the low attendance at games and the close proximity of the schools - has a lot more flexibility in terms of organizing alternate schedules and spring football than do the Power leagues in particular, and even the G5 leagues. It's one thing to organize Columbia vs Penn, that can almost be done on the fly. Organizing LSU vs Tennessee is an entirely different logistical thing.

So I don't see this happening at the FBS level.
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RE: Ivy League considering major changes
(06-30-2020 09:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Ivy League - do to the low attendance at games and the close proximity of the schools - has a lot more flexibility in terms of organizing alternate schedules and spring football than do the Power leagues in particular, and even the G5 leagues. It's one thing to organize Columbia vs Penn, that can almost be done on the fly. Organizing LSU vs Tennessee is an entirely different logistical thing.

So I don't see this happening at the FBS level.

I’m fairly confident that the rules for playing the games are similar...11 players per side on the field, four quarters per game, etc.

The big differences are the levels of fan interest and financial outcomes.

In the midst of a world-wide pandemic, I believe that fan interest and financial profits will not be university presidents’ priorities. On the other hand, providing college-athletes with an opportunity to continue their passions and trade may be a legitimate concern.
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RE: Ivy League considering major changes
(06-30-2020 09:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Ivy League - do to the low attendance at games and the close proximity of the schools - has a lot more flexibility in terms of organizing alternate schedules and spring football than do the Power leagues in particular, and even the G5 leagues. It's one thing to organize Columbia vs Penn, that can almost be done on the fly. Organizing LSU vs Tennessee is an entirely different logistical thing.

So I don't see this happening at the FBS level.

Anyone want to venture a guess as to which 3 FBS schools would not have led the Ivy League in average attendance?

*Note this is from the NCAA's website, so all the MAC schools that are lying are being allowed to lie.
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(06-30-2020 07:48 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Hmmm? Been to several Quakers’ games at Franklin Field. They have no problem with spacing and adequate social distancing for fans.

Big Green may be worried that their lead in Ivy titles is at risk.

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All kidding aside, good move by the Ivy to cut the schedule and make a contingency for spring games. It’s appearing increasingly obvious that we are not able to manage the spread and risks from this pandemic.

Think Yale and Penn are the only ones who still have the old giant stadiums from when they needed them. Princeton tore down their 45k+ stadium 10-20 years ago and built one that seats more like 25k.
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(06-30-2020 10:18 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Ivy League - do to the low attendance at games and the close proximity of the schools - has a lot more flexibility in terms of organizing alternate schedules and spring football than do the Power leagues in particular, and even the G5 leagues. It's one thing to organize Columbia vs Penn, that can almost be done on the fly. Organizing LSU vs Tennessee is an entirely different logistical thing.

So I don't see this happening at the FBS level.

I’m fairly confident that the rules for playing the games are similar...11 players per side on the field, four quarters per game, etc.

The big differences are the levels of fan interest and financial outcomes.

In the midst of a world-wide pandemic, I believe that fan interest and financial profits will not be university presidents’ priorities. On the other hand, providing college-athletes with an opportunity to continue their passions and trade may be a legitimate concern.
If that were the concern, we would already have moved things to the spring. Its about TV contracts.
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(06-30-2020 10:22 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Ivy League - do to the low attendance at games and the close proximity of the schools - has a lot more flexibility in terms of organizing alternate schedules and spring football than do the Power leagues in particular, and even the G5 leagues. It's one thing to organize Columbia vs Penn, that can almost be done on the fly. Organizing LSU vs Tennessee is an entirely different logistical thing.

So I don't see this happening at the FBS level.

Anyone want to venture a guess as to which 3 FBS schools would not have led the Ivy League in average attendance?

*Note this is from the NCAA's website, so all the MAC schools that are lying are being allowed to lie.

Harvard and Yale must have had bad years. Usually they seem to be in the 15-20k range (at least they did 5-10 years ago-haven't looked recently)
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Think Yale and Penn are the only ones who still have the old giant stadiums from when they needed them. Princeton tore down their 45k+ stadium 10-20 years ago and built one that seats more like 25k.
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Ivy League FB attendance is certainly dismal.
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(06-30-2020 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 10:22 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Ivy League - do to the low attendance at games and the close proximity of the schools - has a lot more flexibility in terms of organizing alternate schedules and spring football than do the Power leagues in particular, and even the G5 leagues. It's one thing to organize Columbia vs Penn, that can almost be done on the fly. Organizing LSU vs Tennessee is an entirely different logistical thing.

So I don't see this happening at the FBS level.

Anyone want to venture a guess as to which 3 FBS schools would not have led the Ivy League in average attendance?

*Note this is from the NCAA's website, so all the MAC schools that are lying are being allowed to lie.

Harvard and Yale must have had bad years. Usually they seem to be in the 15-20k range (at least they did 5-10 years ago-haven't looked recently)

Yale was a bit over 12k. Harvard just under 11k. Harvard-Yale was at Yale this year. Harvard also only went 4-6.

The "winners" by the way were Ball State, Northern Illinois, and UMass.
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Harvard-Yale on ESPNU last year was delayed due to protestors for climate change. Nearly caused a cancellation as Yale Bowl doesn't have lights and the game finished under dark grayness.

Imagine if Harvard-Yale was played in the current political climate. Yale Bowl would be on fire on live tv.
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Cornell tore down one side of their stadium a few years back. No chance that it will be rebuilt any time in the future. Quite a different world from when I sold hot dogs there as a kid.
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(06-30-2020 10:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 10:18 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Ivy League - do to the low attendance at games and the close proximity of the schools - has a lot more flexibility in terms of organizing alternate schedules and spring football than do the Power leagues in particular, and even the G5 leagues. It's one thing to organize Columbia vs Penn, that can almost be done on the fly. Organizing LSU vs Tennessee is an entirely different logistical thing.

So I don't see this happening at the FBS level.

I’m fairly confident that the rules for playing the games are similar...11 players per side on the field, four quarters per game, etc.

The big differences are the levels of fan interest and financial outcomes.

In the midst of a world-wide pandemic, I believe that fan interest and financial profits will not be university presidents’ priorities. On the other hand, providing college-athletes with an opportunity to continue their passions and trade may be a legitimate concern.
If that were the concern, we would already have moved things to the spring. Its about TV contracts.

Disagree. Even the Ivy is attempting to first play their games this fall. ..and the Ivy’s TV payouts are not even a discussion item. The fact is, their is no guarantee that things will be better the spring or fall...so leaders make decisions on available insights.
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(06-30-2020 10:18 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Ivy League - do to the low attendance at games and the close proximity of the schools - has a lot more flexibility in terms of organizing alternate schedules and spring football than do the Power leagues in particular, and even the G5 leagues. It's one thing to organize Columbia vs Penn, that can almost be done on the fly. Organizing LSU vs Tennessee is an entirely different logistical thing.

So I don't see this happening at the FBS level.

I’m fairly confident that the rules for playing the games are similar...11 players per side on the field, four quarters per game, etc.

The big differences are the levels of fan interest and financial outcomes.

In the midst of a world-wide pandemic, I believe that fan interest and financial profits will not be university presidents’ priorities. On the other hand, providing college-athletes with an opportunity to continue their passions and trade may be a legitimate concern.

In a world-wide pandemic, I seriously doubt that the college athlete's desire to "continue their passion and trade" is any kind of concern at all. 07-coffee3

But that wasn't really the point. Ivy League football is almost club-level stuff among close neighbors so just doesn't require the same degree of logistics that P5 games do.
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I was hoping the major change was going to be 'considering FBS'
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(06-30-2020 01:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 10:18 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 09:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Ivy League - do to the low attendance at games and the close proximity of the schools - has a lot more flexibility in terms of organizing alternate schedules and spring football than do the Power leagues in particular, and even the G5 leagues. It's one thing to organize Columbia vs Penn, that can almost be done on the fly. Organizing LSU vs Tennessee is an entirely different logistical thing.

So I don't see this happening at the FBS level.

I’m fairly confident that the rules for playing the games are similar...11 players per side on the field, four quarters per game, etc.

The big differences are the levels of fan interest and financial outcomes.

In the midst of a world-wide pandemic, I believe that fan interest and financial profits will not be university presidents’ priorities. On the other hand, providing college-athletes with an opportunity to continue their passions and trade may be a legitimate concern.

In a world-wide pandemic, I seriously doubt that the college athlete's desire to "continue their passion and trade" is any kind of concern at all. 07-coffee3

But that wasn't really the point. Ivy League football is almost club-level stuff among close neighbors so just doesn't require the same degree of logistics that P5 games do.

Possibly, Ivy football is better than Georgetown’s historic level...because all NCAA competition can learn something from the Ivy approach.

There absolutely is a pandemic occurring. The Ivy schools are located in a geography where the virus spread is currently containable...infections and deaths have been decreasing for extended time-frames. Daily testing results confirm that < 2% of patients are actively infected in the states from Pennsylvania to New Hampshire (contact tracing is now theoretically viable to potentially mitigate uncontrolled spread). Given pandemic health concerns are being managed at “adequate” public health levels in their school’s geography, Ivy presidents therefore actually did consider student-athletes’ desires and interests.

There is no guarantee that Ivy schools will play games in the fall, but the Ivy plan is not dead-on-arrival. In other words, it’s a realistic case-to-beat that Ivy administrators, coaches and players can safely support.

Some potential considerations implemented by the Ivy: They shortened the season, they ensured key rivalries, and they prioritized the fall...but will make contingencies for a spring season.
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(06-29-2020 10:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://thespun.com/college-football/ivy...all-season

Ivy is considering playing only a 7 game season and also considering playing a 7 game season starting in April.

The Dome in Syracuse could host an Ivy double header in the early spring
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