Wait, weren’t we talking about the St Louis couple and their guns?

Local St. Charles Gun Store Announces Free AR15 to McCloskeys After Police Confiscate Their Rifle

(07-11-2020 07:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 07:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 05:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 03:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 11:24 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  The fact no one is marching on the DA’s office for this blatant violation of 2A has me losing hope in the power of the right. This is disgusting.

What power? The far left has entire municipalities and states enabling it, not to mention corporate America and an army of lawyers and NGOs. The right has what, Goya? You don't consolidate power by adhering to extreme individualism and libertarianism. The right allowing all of this is 100% its fault.

(07-11-2020 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  While I dont agree with the way they are going about it or the end results these idiots want....

this country needs a ‘fundamentally transform’ justice system. Especially when it comes to putting or even sell things we put into our bodies.

Pick up any newspaper of any county in the 100,000 to 150,000 range of people and look at the indictments for basically drug use. Make alcohol as illegal and you would see the names of your family and their friends alongside those drug users.

Make no mistake about it, change is needed. If you dont address it through those making the laws, politicians. And make no mistake about it, most republican dont see the problem, in the first place. People will do exactly what you are seeing today.

Lets make something else very clear, those on the right, will ***** and complain, but 99.5% of them will only do just that. In the end nothing is really affecting their life and till it lands on their doorstep....

B'itch and complain is all you will see

We need a balance in this country to reflect changing times. You either change with the times and fight for a equal change. Or it flips to the other extreme

Are you advocating prohibition or legalizing hard narcotics? We've seen what happens on both ends of the spectrum, whether it's organized crime on one end or tent cities full of dope fiends on the other. You're right, we do need to adapt to new times. Rehab the users, treat dealers and their networks like the cancer they are, and look at what's causing the drug problems we have and take steps to fix it. Passing out vials of smack isn't how you build a healthy country. Finding a way to make life mean something for the potential junkie is.

Yes. If its all legal, our healthcare costs go through the roof as do our criminal stats as heavy users can never get enough.

Mmhmm. And the "don't like it don't do it" libertarians don't seem to grasp that the costs of having hard drugs out on the street like that would show up in their taxes and insurance premiums. It'd result in a less productive society and more invalids that are condemned to a life on the dole. The government allows the healthcare industry to distribute oxycontin and fentanyl, and look at what a nightmare that's been for us.

Where there is demand unmet on the white market there will always be a black market. We can either expand the white market to keep up with demand and condemn a million souls to the needle and pipe, do nothing and let the black market continue to fluorish, clamp down on the black market and hope it doesn't route around harsher enforcement, or try to curb demand. Throwing our hands up and saying "You win Sinaloa, heroin for everyone" is probably the dumbest possible answer to the drug problem.

The hard drugs are cheap to make. You can sell them at triple the cost of production and they'd be cheaper than on the street. The government takes a 1/3rd of the profit the manufacturer gets 1/3rd. The Social Doctor assigned controls dosage. The use tax on the sale goes directly to halfway houses. Addictions are managed until they become terminal, which for opioids and heroin it will. You manage the patients health independent of hospitals.

The goal here is to manage the drug rings and organized crime out of the vice rackets of drugs and prostitution. Inherently that will cause crime to dip. I suspect what they will do is move on to another country or try to find jobs legitimately producing drugs like marijuana in which case you make taxpayers out of them. Under this plan you can manage hard drug users and then reduce gradually availability of hard narcotics to any new users. Cut off the blood supply to the tumor or organized crime, and then shrink demand by what you offer. It's cynical but practical.

just like prohibition....

the caveat is continual education as it becomes an option...

do you lose a few along the way.....yeah....

does that matter relative to the long term gain.....not one single bit....

for fokkk sake, ciggy butts, alcohol, and a shiTTTy diet kill more than anything that would ever be legalized/death rate....

it's amazing looking backwards how the pussification of 'murica has now become overwhelming....

there's a reason the One Minute Manager is my fave.........summation: spoil the child, spoil the whole....

fail is human....w/o that, it's simply sig line 1b)

#cheeky

(07-11-2020 10:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 07:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 07:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 05:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 03:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  What power? The far left has entire municipalities and states enabling it, not to mention corporate America and an army of lawyers and NGOs. The right has what, Goya? You don't consolidate power by adhering to extreme individualism and libertarianism. The right allowing all of this is 100% its fault.

Are you advocating prohibition or legalizing hard narcotics? We've seen what happens on both ends of the spectrum, whether it's organized crime on one end or tent cities full of dope fiends on the other. You're right, we do need to adapt to new times. Rehab the users, treat dealers and their networks like the cancer they are, and look at what's causing the drug problems we have and take steps to fix it. Passing out vials of smack isn't how you build a healthy country. Finding a way to make life mean something for the potential junkie is.

Yes. If its all legal, our healthcare costs go through the roof as do our criminal stats as heavy users can never get enough.

Mmhmm. And the "don't like it don't do it" libertarians don't seem to grasp that the costs of having hard drugs out on the street like that would show up in their taxes and insurance premiums. It'd result in a less productive society and more invalids that are condemned to a life on the dole. The government allows the healthcare industry to distribute oxycontin and fentanyl, and look at what a nightmare that's been for us.

Where there is demand unmet on the white market there will always be a black market. We can either expand the white market to keep up with demand and condemn a million souls to the needle and pipe, do nothing and let the black market continue to fluorish, clamp down on the black market and hope it doesn't route around harsher enforcement, or try to curb demand. Throwing our hands up and saying "You win Sinaloa, heroin for everyone" is probably the dumbest possible answer to the drug problem.

The hard drugs are cheap to make. You can sell them at triple the cost of production and they'd be cheaper than on the street. The government takes a 1/3rd of the profit the manufacturer gets 1/3rd. The Social Doctor assigned controls dosage. The use tax on the sale goes directly to halfway houses. Addictions are managed until they become terminal, which for opioids and heroin it will. You manage the patients health independent of hospitals.

The goal here is to manage the drug rings and organized crime out of the vice rackets of drugs and prostitution. Inherently that will cause crime to dip. I suspect what they will do is move on to another country or try to find jobs legitimately producing drugs like marijuana in which case you make taxpayers out of them. Under this plan you can manage hard drug users and then reduce gradually availability of hard narcotics to any new users. Cut off the blood supply to the tumor or organized crime, and then shrink demand by what you offer. It's cynical but practical.

just like prohibition....

the caveat is continual education as it becomes an option...

do you lose a few along the way.....yeah....

does that matter relative to the long term gain.....not one single bit....

for fokkk sake, ciggy butts, alcohol, and a shiTTTy diet kill more than anything that would ever be legalized/death rate....

it's amazing looking backwards how the pussification of 'murica has now become overwhelming....

there's a reason the One Minute Manager is my fave.........summation: spoil the child, spoil the whole....

fail is human....w/o that, it's simply sig line 1b)

#cheeky

The "War on Drugs" made attorney's much wealthier. Filled the courts with business requiring more Federal Judges and local ones, and gave the police confiscatory privilege that allowed them to fund themselves with what they take. Now tell me constitutionally where that ever should have happened? Another nod to H.W. and Clinton.

But the corporate backers of politicians have many in their ranks that also employ useful idiots to conduct their illicit investments, and the judges and D.A.'s get paid off, and the police learn who can operate and who can't in their regions and the pussification or pacification of America occurs when the common citizen plays ostrich because his/her job is working for one of those surreptitiously involved so the biggest don't ask don't tell is how everyone pretends the wealthy guy in the first pew of Big Church Name Your City isn't tagged for narcotics trade because everyone locally benefits by his remaining as he is.

That's the real damn reason the war on drugs is unwinnable. Reagan was naive about this. Bush found ways to monetize it for the lawyers and judges and to fund the police through it, but not all drug traders, just the ones who didn't grease the palms of the right people.

And that's the way things are done in the good ole USA. And global corporate trade covers many sins that cigar boats can't hide from. But hey, that's what makes the Deep State go dirty money gets laundered as PAC contributions and "none dare call it treason if they profit!"

Little Pink Houses for you and me!

(07-11-2020 07:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 05:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 03:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 11:24 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  The fact no one is marching on the DA’s office for this blatant violation of 2A has me losing hope in the power of the right. This is disgusting.

What power? The far left has entire municipalities and states enabling it, not to mention corporate America and an army of lawyers and NGOs. The right has what, Goya? You don't consolidate power by adhering to extreme individualism and libertarianism. The right allowing all of this is 100% its fault.

(07-11-2020 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 12:22 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Kim Gardner, the prosecutor, is a “Soros DA,” one of the many candidates across the country who he has backed in the effort to ‘fundamentally transform’ the justice system.

While I dont agree with the way they are going about it or the end results these idiots want....

this country needs a ‘fundamentally transform’ justice system. Especially when it comes to putting or even sell things we put into our bodies.

Pick up any newspaper of any county in the 100,000 to 150,000 range of people and look at the indictments for basically drug use. Make alcohol as illegal and you would see the names of your family and their friends alongside those drug users.

Make no mistake about it, change is needed. If you dont address it through those making the laws, politicians. And make no mistake about it, most republican dont see the problem, in the first place. People will do exactly what you are seeing today.

Lets make something else very clear, those on the right, will ***** and complain, but 99.5% of them will only do just that. In the end nothing is really affecting their life and till it lands on their doorstep....

B'itch and complain is all you will see

We need a balance in this country to reflect changing times. You either change with the times and fight for a equal change. Or it flips to the other extreme

Are you advocating prohibition or legalizing hard narcotics? We've seen what happens on both ends of the spectrum, whether it's organized crime on one end or tent cities full of dope fiends on the other. You're right, we do need to adapt to new times. Rehab the users, treat dealers and their networks like the cancer they are, and look at what's causing the drug problems we have and take steps to fix it. Passing out vials of smack isn't how you build a healthy country. Finding a way to make life mean something for the potential junkie is.

Yes. If its all legal, our healthcare costs go through the roof as do our criminal stats as heavy users can never get enough.

Mmhmm. And the "don't like it don't do it" libertarians don't seem to grasp that the costs of having hard drugs out on the street like that would show up in their taxes and insurance premiums. It'd result in a less productive society and more invalids that are condemned to a life on the dole. The government allows the healthcare industry to distribute oxycontin and fentanyl, and look at what a nightmare that's been for us.

Where there is demand unmet on the white market there will always be a black market. We can either expand the white market to keep up with demand and condemn a million souls to the needle and pipe, do nothing and let the black market continue to fluorish, clamp down on the black market and hope it doesn't route around harsher enforcement, or try to curb demand. Throwing our hands up and saying "You win Sinaloa, heroin for everyone" is probably the dumbest possible answer to the drug problem.

Most people dont move to harder drugs, like heroin or fentanyl because they wake up one day needing those drugs. It's because the government has made their drug of choice harder to impossible to get. When I say drug of choice I'm not just talking about what you or Bullet pictures as a addict. I'm talking about people in real pain. Heroin and fentanyl are a lot easier to get today than a lower does pain pill. Heroin use was at the lowest point in the history of this country till the government made it where people in real pain were treated like criminals.

As I said if we treated alcohol like we do other mind altering drugs.....

you, Bullet and most of everyone on this board would be considered addicts. And if you couldnt get your fix of what you are drinking now. You would settle for the easiest alcohol you could buy. Even if that was 100 proof and way more damaging.

The same thing happens with someone addicted to drugs. Making something they take harder to get also drives up cost. Making drug like heroin and fentanyl easier and sometimes even cheaper to get.

As for insurance how about the government walking into your home taking all the fats and all the sweets and the tobacco and your alcohol. You OK with that? Every bit of those are more expensive on medical care. If you say its not. You dont have a freaking clue to what you are talking about.

Most drug users are not running to doctors because their ass laid around drinking cokes, eating sweat, or drinking everyday. At least not close to those of you that have to have those drinks each and every day. Or smoking 2 packs a day. Or filling your mouth with a pouches of chew all day long.

It's people like that that goes to the doctor for a freaking common cold or a cut finger on a top off a can of soup. Or running their kids to the doctor because the busted their ass on the playground.....

those are the people running up health care. Again I bet a lot of you that use that excuse for addicts or against making drugs noncriminal are costing our health system a lot more money. Look in the freaking mirror and stop blaming others because you can bet your ass....

the candy ass, overweight, families we have today that wont let the 3 to 7 days that cures most problems they have. Run its course before running to the doctor insisting on test after test. Only to find out you had a silly little virus or bad cold. That would have ran its course in that 3 to 7 days.....if they had kept their fat, 1 to 2 pack of cigs a day along with their 6 pack to 4 or 5 drinks a day home

But lets blame it on 10% of America that doesnt run to doctors or hospital
but might abuse or addicted to drugs

(07-12-2020 02:32 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 07:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 05:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 03:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 11:24 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  The fact no one is marching on the DA’s office for this blatant violation of 2A has me losing hope in the power of the right. This is disgusting.

What power? The far left has entire municipalities and states enabling it, not to mention corporate America and an army of lawyers and NGOs. The right has what, Goya? You don't consolidate power by adhering to extreme individualism and libertarianism. The right allowing all of this is 100% its fault.

(07-11-2020 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  While I dont agree with the way they are going about it or the end results these idiots want....

this country needs a ‘fundamentally transform’ justice system. Especially when it comes to putting or even sell things we put into our bodies.

Pick up any newspaper of any county in the 100,000 to 150,000 range of people and look at the indictments for basically drug use. Make alcohol as illegal and you would see the names of your family and their friends alongside those drug users.

Make no mistake about it, change is needed. If you dont address it through those making the laws, politicians. And make no mistake about it, most republican dont see the problem, in the first place. People will do exactly what you are seeing today.

Lets make something else very clear, those on the right, will ***** and complain, but 99.5% of them will only do just that. In the end nothing is really affecting their life and till it lands on their doorstep....

B'itch and complain is all you will see

We need a balance in this country to reflect changing times. You either change with the times and fight for a equal change. Or it flips to the other extreme

Are you advocating prohibition or legalizing hard narcotics? We've seen what happens on both ends of the spectrum, whether it's organized crime on one end or tent cities full of dope fiends on the other. You're right, we do need to adapt to new times. Rehab the users, treat dealers and their networks like the cancer they are, and look at what's causing the drug problems we have and take steps to fix it. Passing out vials of smack isn't how you build a healthy country. Finding a way to make life mean something for the potential junkie is.

Yes. If its all legal, our healthcare costs go through the roof as do our criminal stats as heavy users can never get enough.

Mmhmm. And the "don't like it don't do it" libertarians don't seem to grasp that the costs of having hard drugs out on the street like that would show up in their taxes and insurance premiums. It'd result in a less productive society and more invalids that are condemned to a life on the dole. The government allows the healthcare industry to distribute oxycontin and fentanyl, and look at what a nightmare that's been for us.

Where there is demand unmet on the white market there will always be a black market. We can either expand the white market to keep up with demand and condemn a million souls to the needle and pipe, do nothing and let the black market continue to fluorish, clamp down on the black market and hope it doesn't route around harsher enforcement, or try to curb demand. Throwing our hands up and saying "You win Sinaloa, heroin for everyone" is probably the dumbest possible answer to the drug problem.

Most people dont move to harder drugs, like heroin or fentanyl because they wake up one day needing those drugs. It's because the government has made their drug of choice harder to impossible to get. When I say drug of choice I'm not just talking about what you or Bullet pictures as a addict. I'm talking about people in real pain. Heroin and fentanyl are a lot easier to get today than a lower does pain pill. Heroin use was at the lowest point in the history of this country till the government made it where people in real pain were treated like criminals.

As I said if we treated alcohol like we do other mind altering drugs.....

you, Bullet and most of everyone on this board would be considered addicts. And if you couldnt get your fix of what you are drinking now. You would settle for the easiest alcohol you could buy. Even if that was 100 proof and way more damaging.

The same thing happens with someone addicted to drugs. Making something they take harder to get also drives up cost. Making drug like heroin and fentanyl easier and sometimes even cheaper to get.

As for insurance how about the government walking into your home taking all the fats and all the sweets and the tobacco and your alcohol. You OK with that? Every bit of those are more expensive on medical care. If you say its not. You dont have a freaking clue to what you are talking about.

Most drug users are not running to doctors because their ass laid around drinking cokes, eating sweat, or drinking everyday. At least not close to those of you that have to have those drinks each and every day. Or smoking 2 packs a day. Or filling your mouth with a pouches of chew all day long.

It's people like that that goes to the doctor for a freaking common cold or a cut finger on a top off a can of soup. Or running their kids to the doctor because the busted their ass on the playground.....

those are the people running up health care. Again I bet a lot of you that use that excuse for addicts or against making drugs noncriminal are costing our health system a lot more money. Look in the freaking mirror and stop blaming others because you can bet your ass....

the candy ass, overweight, families we have today that wont let the 3 to 7 days that cures most problems they have. Run its course before running to the doctor insisting on test after test. Only to find out you had a silly little virus or bad cold. That would have ran its course in that 3 to 7 days.....if they had kept their fat, 1 to 2 pack of cigs a day along with their 6 pack to 4 or 5 drinks a day home

But lets blame it on 10% of America that doesnt run to doctors or hospital
but might abuse or addicted to drugs

Don't remember if this is the exact figure, but its close: 80% of medical costs come in the last 6 months of life. That's why drugs are a problem to health care. Its the serious cases that generate the most costs. And you have to drink a lot of alcohol for it to be a health problem. And a lot for it to be truly addictive.

(07-12-2020 10:11 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 02:32 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 07:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 05:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 03:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  What power? The far left has entire municipalities and states enabling it, not to mention corporate America and an army of lawyers and NGOs. The right has what, Goya? You don't consolidate power by adhering to extreme individualism and libertarianism. The right allowing all of this is 100% its fault.

Are you advocating prohibition or legalizing hard narcotics? We've seen what happens on both ends of the spectrum, whether it's organized crime on one end or tent cities full of dope fiends on the other. You're right, we do need to adapt to new times. Rehab the users, treat dealers and their networks like the cancer they are, and look at what's causing the drug problems we have and take steps to fix it. Passing out vials of smack isn't how you build a healthy country. Finding a way to make life mean something for the potential junkie is.

Yes. If its all legal, our healthcare costs go through the roof as do our criminal stats as heavy users can never get enough.

Mmhmm. And the "don't like it don't do it" libertarians don't seem to grasp that the costs of having hard drugs out on the street like that would show up in their taxes and insurance premiums. It'd result in a less productive society and more invalids that are condemned to a life on the dole. The government allows the healthcare industry to distribute oxycontin and fentanyl, and look at what a nightmare that's been for us.

Where there is demand unmet on the white market there will always be a black market. We can either expand the white market to keep up with demand and condemn a million souls to the needle and pipe, do nothing and let the black market continue to fluorish, clamp down on the black market and hope it doesn't route around harsher enforcement, or try to curb demand. Throwing our hands up and saying "You win Sinaloa, heroin for everyone" is probably the dumbest possible answer to the drug problem.

Most people dont move to harder drugs, like heroin or fentanyl because they wake up one day needing those drugs. It's because the government has made their drug of choice harder to impossible to get. When I say drug of choice I'm not just talking about what you or Bullet pictures as a addict. I'm talking about people in real pain. Heroin and fentanyl are a lot easier to get today than a lower does pain pill. Heroin use was at the lowest point in the history of this country till the government made it where people in real pain were treated like criminals.

As I said if we treated alcohol like we do other mind altering drugs.....

you, Bullet and most of everyone on this board would be considered addicts. And if you couldnt get your fix of what you are drinking now. You would settle for the easiest alcohol you could buy. Even if that was 100 proof and way more damaging.

The same thing happens with someone addicted to drugs. Making something they take harder to get also drives up cost. Making drug like heroin and fentanyl easier and sometimes even cheaper to get.

As for insurance how about the government walking into your home taking all the fats and all the sweets and the tobacco and your alcohol. You OK with that? Every bit of those are more expensive on medical care. If you say its not. You dont have a freaking clue to what you are talking about.

Most drug users are not running to doctors because their ass laid around drinking cokes, eating sweat, or drinking everyday. At least not close to those of you that have to have those drinks each and every day. Or smoking 2 packs a day. Or filling your mouth with a pouches of chew all day long.

It's people like that that goes to the doctor for a freaking common cold or a cut finger on a top off a can of soup. Or running their kids to the doctor because the busted their ass on the playground.....

those are the people running up health care. Again I bet a lot of you that use that excuse for addicts or against making drugs noncriminal are costing our health system a lot more money. Look in the freaking mirror and stop blaming others because you can bet your ass....

the candy ass, overweight, families we have today that wont let the 3 to 7 days that cures most problems they have. Run its course before running to the doctor insisting on test after test. Only to find out you had a silly little virus or bad cold. That would have ran its course in that 3 to 7 days.....if they had kept their fat, 1 to 2 pack of cigs a day along with their 6 pack to 4 or 5 drinks a day home

But lets blame it on 10% of America that doesnt run to doctors or hospital
but might abuse or addicted to drugs

Don't remember if this is the exact figure, but its close: 80% of medical costs come in the last 6 months of life. That's why drugs are a problem to health care. Its the serious cases that generate the most costs. And you have to drink a lot of alcohol for it to be a health problem. And a lot for it to be truly addictive.

maybe, just maybe that's what we call the 'wealth siphon'...

which one becomes worse over time.....