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RE: America Realigned: Radical Reimaging of NCAA Lanscape
Never say never. Universities are the snake eating its own tail. Some more than others but unintended consequences are ideas like this.
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(06-29-2020 01:49 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Why would Troy be relegated to FCS, but not EMU, Buffalo, Kent State, FIU, UMass, or Akron?

Someone at SI got very bored and came up with something that they obviously knew wasn't reality.

Troy being relegated to FCS is completely ridiculous. These discussions can be fun (although tiresome) but that shows me that he has done very little homework on the G5 programs he relegated.
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RE: America Realigned: Radical Reimaging of NCAA Lanscape
UConn, Rice and the directional Michigan schools are left up. Have the conversation, but at least make some sense with it.
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(06-29-2020 02:19 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 02:00 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 01:49 PM)panama Wrote:  Nothing on there would happen.

Forde has lost it.

This is a thread on the Realignment Board

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Sorry, wasn't aware you posted it already on the realignment board. Not everyone goes there.
Was just mentioning. We are trying to figure out if Forde is a CSNbbs poster.

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No reason to get upset over it. He could have just dropped some teams down so that the numbers would work out better geographically. He's not worried about hurting people's feelings since its not happening.
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(06-30-2020 12:02 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  No reason to get upset over it. He could have just dropped some teams down so that the numbers would work out better geographically. He's not worried about hurting people's feelings since its not happening.

I'm just trying to figure out how Troy wound up in that bunch?

Since 2000, Troy has beaten LSU, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Mississippi State.... won the Sun Belt title 6 times.... ranked in the Top 25.... and out of 64 total G5 teams, Troy has been averaging in the Top 20 in attendance since 2016....

I mean geez, not even UNC-Charlotte made the FCS list? What?? Come on now...
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(06-30-2020 01:22 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 12:02 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  No reason to get upset over it. He could have just dropped some teams down so that the numbers would work out better geographically. He's not worried about hurting people's feelings since its not happening.

I'm just trying to figure out how Troy wound up in that bunch?

Since 2000, Troy has beaten LSU, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Mississippi State.... won the Sun Belt title 6 times.... ranked in the Top 25.... and out of 64 total G5 teams, Troy has been averaging in the Top 20 in attendance since 2016....

I mean geez, not even UNC-Charlotte made the FCS list? What?? Come on now...

We’re all offended. Troy is one of our best. Feels like we’re all expendable kind of a slap in the face to all of us.
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(06-30-2020 02:14 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  We’re all offended. Troy is one of our best. Feels like we’re all expendable kind of a slap in the face to all of us.

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(06-30-2020 02:16 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 02:14 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  We’re all offended. Troy is one of our best. Feels like we’re all expendable kind of a slap in the face to all of us.

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(06-30-2020 01:22 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 12:02 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  No reason to get upset over it. He could have just dropped some teams down so that the numbers would work out better geographically. He's not worried about hurting people's feelings since its not happening.

I'm just trying to figure out how Troy wound up in that bunch?

Since 2000, Troy has beaten LSU, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Mississippi State.... won the Sun Belt title 6 times.... ranked in the Top 25.... and out of 64 total G5 teams, Troy has been averaging in the Top 20 in attendance since 2016....

I mean geez, not even UNC-Charlotte made the FCS list? What?? Come on now...

You really think he looked back at everyone's schedule since 2000? He probably just looked at last year's standings. It wasn't between yall and Charlotte or the directional Michigan schools. Troy would only fit in with the Sun Belt or Deep South conferences. With the Arkansas schools, Louisiana Schools, Mississippi schools, and then Alabama and Auburn, there was no more room left in the Sun Belt for Troy, USA, or ULM. That leaves the deep South. Troy and USA was left out because Georgia Southern, Georgia St, FAU, FIU,and UAB were picked over them. Why am I even trying to explain something that doesn't matter like this?
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(06-30-2020 03:52 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 01:22 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 12:02 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  No reason to get upset over it. He could have just dropped some teams down so that the numbers would work out better geographically. He's not worried about hurting people's feelings since its not happening.

I'm just trying to figure out how Troy wound up in that bunch?

Since 2000, Troy has beaten LSU, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Mississippi State.... won the Sun Belt title 6 times.... ranked in the Top 25.... and out of 64 total G5 teams, Troy has been averaging in the Top 20 in attendance since 2016....

I mean geez, not even UNC-Charlotte made the FCS list? What?? Come on now...

You really think he looked back at everyone's schedule since 2000? He probably just looked at last year's standings. It wasn't between yall and Charlotte or the directional Michigan schools. Troy would only fit in with the Sun Belt or Deep South conferences. With the Arkansas schools, Louisiana Schools, Mississippi schools, and then Alabama and Auburn, there was no more room left in the Sun Belt for Troy, USA, or ULM. That leaves the deep South. Troy and USA was left out because Georgia Southern, Georgia St, FAU, FIU,and UAB were picked over them. Why am I even trying to explain something that doesn't matter like this?

Nah I think the calculation was driven by the overall potential of each university utilizing historically based performance data by calculating the mean variance allowance using the monte carlo monkey math method.

From the article:
Here’s the Forde Bowl Subdivision lineup (FBS Profile Rank is a 1–120 metric that combines a school’s five-year average Sagarin football ranking; its 2020 U.S. News & World Report National University ranking; and its 2018–19 Learfield Cup all-sports ranking):
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(06-30-2020 08:47 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Never say never. Universities are the snake eating its own tail. Some more than others but unintended consequences are ideas like this.
No not really... they aren't...

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(06-30-2020 01:22 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 12:02 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  No reason to get upset over it. He could have just dropped some teams down so that the numbers would work out better geographically. He's not worried about hurting people's feelings since its not happening.

I'm just trying to figure out how Troy wound up in that bunch?

Since 2000, Troy has beaten LSU, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Missouri, Mississippi State.... won the Sun Belt title 6 times.... ranked in the Top 25.... and out of 64 total G5 teams, Troy has been averaging in the Top 20 in attendance since 2016....

I mean geez, not even UNC-Charlotte made the FCS list? What?? Come on now...
You're over thinking this.

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(06-30-2020 04:27 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 08:47 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Never say never. Universities are the snake eating its own tail. Some more than others but unintended consequences are ideas like this.
No not really... they aren't...

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Okay professor.
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(06-30-2020 04:52 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 04:27 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 08:47 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Never say never. Universities are the snake eating its own tail. Some more than others but unintended consequences are ideas like this.
No not really... they aren't...

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Okay professor.
You think a scenario like this has even a 1% chance of occurring?

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(06-30-2020 04:59 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 04:52 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 04:27 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 08:47 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Never say never. Universities are the snake eating its own tail. Some more than others but unintended consequences are ideas like this.
No not really... they aren't...

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Okay professor.
You think a scenario like this has even a 1% chance of occurring?

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That’s the dumbest article I’ve read on conference realignment. Smh.
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(06-29-2020 01:49 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Why would Troy be relegated to FCS, but not EMU, Buffalo, Kent State, FIU, UMass, or Akron?

Someone at SI got very bored and came up with something that they obviously knew wasn't reality.

Pretty much. They through some crap against the wall to get clicks.
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(07-01-2020 10:42 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 01:49 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Why would Troy be relegated to FCS, but not EMU, Buffalo, Kent State, FIU, UMass, or Akron?

Someone at SI got very bored and came up with something that they obviously knew wasn't reality.

Pretty much. They through some crap against the wall to get clicks.

Yea and it worked. Signs of the times. At the least it’s time well spent for clicks. At most it’s an extreme example that stirs the P5 due to the messenger. This is a system that already exist he basically took premier soccer and poked college football in it. If the model works it’s an easy parallel to make the case. We hope it does. Troy hopes it doesn’t. ?
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(07-01-2020 02:26 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 10:42 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 01:49 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Why would Troy be relegated to FCS, but not EMU, Buffalo, Kent State, FIU, UMass, or Akron?

Someone at SI got very bored and came up with something that they obviously knew wasn't reality.

Pretty much. They through some crap against the wall to get clicks.

Yea and it worked. Signs of the times. At the least it’s time well spent for clicks. At most it’s an extreme example that stirs the P5 due to the messenger. This is a system that already exist he basically took premier soccer and poked college football in it. If the model works it’s an easy parallel to make the case. We hope it does. Troy hopes it doesn’t. ?

Do you mean European soccer and its relegation system?
It doesn’t work - you budget for FBS and then suddenly after a few years you have to go down to FCS and cut the budget in half, its almost like the death penalty. Many traditional European Soccer teams which were legendary in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s and were relegated (and some even somehow worked their way back) are still suffering from it today...AS St Etienne, Nottingham Forest, Hamburger SV and other clubs which once were powerhouses in their respective countries and even Europe are quite irrelevant now because of this relegation system. For instance, it took Scottish legendary powerhouse Glasgow Rangers years to fight its way back and even though Rangers are back now, they have a pretty much unknown team and low budget to work with. Sure schools like Indiana, BYU or Iowa State would be back pretty quickly (and massively weakened) but CUSA and SBC schools once relegated would most likely be stuck in FCS for many years. Do you want to take this risk?
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