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(06-30-2020 03:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  It's something new every single day for almost four years now. How can there be people out there still swallowing this crap?

I think the OP is used to swallowing crap.
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you know it's just gonna be five more years of this. what's the over under at how many impeachments he'll endure his next term?
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(07-01-2020 07:46 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/opini...e=Homepage

If Mr. Trump was told about Russian actions, why did he not respond? If he was not told, why not? Are his top advisers utterly incompetent? Are they too scared to deliver bad news to Mr. Trump, particularly about Russia? Is Mr. Trump running a rogue foreign policy utterly divorced from U.S. national interests? If so, why? A perilous pattern persists that underscores Mr. Trump’s strange propensity to serve Russian interests above America’s.

It was allegedly 2014-15. No one can confirm it happened at all, even the DNI was never briefed on it.

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(07-01-2020 12:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 07:46 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/opini...e=Homepage

If Mr. Trump was told about Russian actions, why did he not respond? If he was not told, why not? Are his top advisers utterly incompetent? Are they too scared to deliver bad news to Mr. Trump, particularly about Russia? Is Mr. Trump running a rogue foreign policy utterly divorced from U.S. national interests? If so, why? A perilous pattern persists that underscores Mr. Trump’s strange propensity to serve Russian interests above America’s.

It was allegedly 2014-15. No one can confirm it happened at all, even the DNI was never briefed on it.

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Who was in office then?
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(07-01-2020 01:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 12:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 07:46 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/opini...e=Homepage

If Mr. Trump was told about Russian actions, why did he not respond? If he was not told, why not? Are his top advisers utterly incompetent? Are they too scared to deliver bad news to Mr. Trump, particularly about Russia? Is Mr. Trump running a rogue foreign policy utterly divorced from U.S. national interests? If so, why? A perilous pattern persists that underscores Mr. Trump’s strange propensity to serve Russian interests above America’s.

It was allegedly 2014-15. No one can confirm it happened at all, even the DNI was never briefed on it.

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Who was in office then?

A big eared moron globalist who NEVER EVER put American interests first.
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(07-01-2020 06:45 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 04:36 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 03:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  It's something new every single day for almost four years now. How can there be people out there still swallowing this crap?

Four years of trump supporters defending everything only to look stupid when things are ultimately proven true. I get it. You're getting tired. We're wearing you down. SAD05-sosad

So when are you going to retract since this has been debunked by everyone and their mama or you still gonna let TDS rule your day?

I had to turn off the tv on last nights news. Our local idiots continued with that story and are repeating the CNN narrative. I hate listening to our local news they also have a VERY BAD CASE OF TDS. That's why this town is so Demoncraptic and the only newspaper (3 pages of it because they've downsized) isn't any better, they're a Gannett lackey. We have a lot of idiots in this town but at least they're more conservative in that they don't go for the Seattle route. I think they would put a stop to that really quickly. Except for the heat in the summer which really isn't any worst than any other place and the lack of plants and natures calamities it's a pretty nice town. You can walk freely most any place without fear maybe it's the fact that our Black population is only 3% and many are ex-military that have scruples and were brought up right but please stay away we're okay the way we are now.
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(07-01-2020 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 01:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 12:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 07:46 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/opini...e=Homepage

If Mr. Trump was told about Russian actions, why did he not respond? If he was not told, why not? Are his top advisers utterly incompetent? Are they too scared to deliver bad news to Mr. Trump, particularly about Russia? Is Mr. Trump running a rogue foreign policy utterly divorced from U.S. national interests? If so, why? A perilous pattern persists that underscores Mr. Trump’s strange propensity to serve Russian interests above America’s.

It was allegedly 2014-15. No one can confirm it happened at all, even the DNI was never briefed on it.

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Who was in office then?

A big eared moron globalist who NEVER EVER put American interests first.

So he didn't authorize the killing of OBL then? I'm confused.

Additionally, I'm still waiting for which PDB this was in during the Obama administration. Perhaps you can link the date of it?
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(07-01-2020 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 01:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 12:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 07:46 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/opini...e=Homepage

If Mr. Trump was told about Russian actions, why did he not respond? If he was not told, why not? Are his top advisers utterly incompetent? Are they too scared to deliver bad news to Mr. Trump, particularly about Russia? Is Mr. Trump running a rogue foreign policy utterly divorced from U.S. national interests? If so, why? A perilous pattern persists that underscores Mr. Trump’s strange propensity to serve Russian interests above America’s.

It was allegedly 2014-15. No one can confirm it happened at all, even the DNI was never briefed on it.

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Who was in office then?

A big eared moron globalist who NEVER EVER put American interests first.

Moreover he apologized, bowed and scraped

Worst President in history. By a mile.
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(07-01-2020 02:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 01:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 12:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 07:46 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/opini...e=Homepage

If Mr. Trump was told about Russian actions, why did he not respond? If he was not told, why not? Are his top advisers utterly incompetent? Are they too scared to deliver bad news to Mr. Trump, particularly about Russia? Is Mr. Trump running a rogue foreign policy utterly divorced from U.S. national interests? If so, why? A perilous pattern persists that underscores Mr. Trump’s strange propensity to serve Russian interests above America’s.

It was allegedly 2014-15. No one can confirm it happened at all, even the DNI was never briefed on it.

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Who was in office then?

A big eared moron globalist who NEVER EVER put American interests first.

So he didn't authorize the killing of OBL then? I'm confused.

Additionally, I'm still waiting for which PDB this was in during the Obama administration. Perhaps you can link the date of it?

Sure, right after you link to any direct PROOF Russian bounties for US troops ever happened--and that Trump was briefed. So far, every person with direct knowledge that has gone on the record has said the Times is FOS. Given the established record of the fake news Times for using "sources say" as a cover for printing unverified fake news rumors, Im quite certain this is just the Times just carrying water for the DNC...you know---just business as usual for that ruined rag.

As for Obama, with complete unambigious and verified knowledge that Iran was aiding in killing US troops with IED's---Obama dropped sanctiions against Iran and gave them billions in cash stacked on pallets. Thats what the Big Ear Bumbler did when US troops were getting killed.....
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(07-01-2020 02:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 02:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 01:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 12:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  It was allegedly 2014-15. No one can confirm it happened at all, even the DNI was never briefed on it.

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Who was in office then?

A big eared moron globalist who NEVER EVER put American interests first.

So he didn't authorize the killing of OBL then? I'm confused.

Additionally, I'm still waiting for which PDB this was in during the Obama administration. Perhaps you can link the date of it?

Sure, right after you link to any direct PROOF Russian bounties for US troops ever happened--and that Trump was briefed. So far, ever person with direct knowledge that has gone on the record has said the Times is FOS.

As soon as you cite where I said bounties were paid.

And perhaps you should widen your net of information. This has gone way past the initial NYT story.
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(07-01-2020 02:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 02:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 02:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 01:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Who was in office then?

A big eared moron globalist who NEVER EVER put American interests first.

So he didn't authorize the killing of OBL then? I'm confused.

Additionally, I'm still waiting for which PDB this was in during the Obama administration. Perhaps you can link the date of it?

Sure, right after you link to any direct PROOF Russian bounties for US troops ever happened--and that Trump was briefed. So far, ever person with direct knowledge that has gone on the record has said the Times is FOS.

As soon as you cite where I said bounties were paid.

And perhaps you should widen your net of information. This has gone way past the initial NYT story.

I suggest you turn off MSNBC. Its all based on the same false story. If it wasnt, you could present a link with sourced on the record proof--which you cant---and you know it. The only "story" is a baseless conspiracy theory being peddled by unscrupulous unethical Democrats, who offer no proof beyond a now completely debunked NYT article. Lets face it, the Times has zero credibility these days---so the debunking of their garbage is basically the rule rather than the exception. Its sad that a once great newsroom has destroyed itself because it opted to place politics over journalism.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-go...reddit.com

"The President has created an environment that dissuades, if not prohibits, the mentioning of any intelligence that isn't favorable to Russia," one former senior national security staffer told CNN.
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Oh it's Russian Collusion Month again. Great.
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(07-02-2020 08:48 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-go...reddit.com

"The President has created an environment that dissuades, if not prohibits, the mentioning of any intelligence that isn't favorable to Russia," one former senior national security staffer told CNN.


Who?

If he/she is “former”, who is it? No fear of losing a job, so what’s the name? Who’s corroborated the fairy tale?
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A couple of things about intelligence agencies, from someone who has spent a bit of time working with them.

One, there are all sorts of contrary views represented. That is as it should be. There's a problem at the top because those folks are all very set in their views. They've invested their careers in the assumption that if Taiwan does this, China will do that, and they have no room for contrary opinions. But at the lackey level, opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one.

Two, intel isn't about certainty. You take bits and pieces and try to figure out the missing parts. You don't have subpoena power, so you have to do the best you can without a bunch of information. Yes, there are the occasional Joe Rochefort or Bletchley Park situations, but those are rare exceptions.

Jack Ryan, in the Clancy novels and films, gives a pretty good representation of both these points, except that Ryan is always right, and that's not how it works in the real world.

My best guess as to what happened is that some analyst comes across cash payments from somebody in Russia to the Taliban, and concludes that it must be bounty payments for killing US soldiers. He/she runs it up the flagpole, nobody salutes, so he/she decides to leak it instead.

Now I have a couple of problems with this. If Russia is paying the Taliban for anything, doesn't that make them our enemy on some level? But isn't that also a pretty cogent expression of the futility of our being there in the first place?

Never fight a war that you don't intend to win. Never, never, never, never fight a war that you don't want anybody to win. We're doing both of those in the Mideast.

I'd GTFO and stay TFO, with two caveats. I'd make it very clear to Russia (and anybody else who needs to know) that the Kurds and Israel are off limits. I'd also make sure that both are armed to the teeth.

With getting out of the Mideast, we can then focus on the real problem--China. We are already in Cold War II, and China is the enemy this time. Anybody assuming otherwise is going to be in for a huge negative surprise. And getting out of the Mideast carries one other advantage. The Chinese economy depends on the Middle East for about 40% of it's total oil. If we aren't guaranteeing that oil's passage through the Straits of Hormuz, then they have to. And that deflects a huge portion of their military away from threatening its neighbors around the South China Sea.

I actually think we could make a lot of hay by triangulating Russia against China. But we need to recognize that the real enemy is not somewhere in the sands of the Mideast.
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(07-02-2020 09:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  A couple of things about intelligence agencies, from someone who has spent a bit of time working with them.

One, there are all sorts of contrary views represented. That is as it should be. There's a problem at the top because those folks are all very set in their views. They've invested their careers in the assumption that if Taiwan does this, China will do that, and they have no room for contrary opinions. But at the lackey level, opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one.

Two, intel isn't about certainty. You take bits and pieces and try to figure out the missing parts. You don't have subpoena power, so you have to do the best you can without a bunch of information. Yes, there are the occasional Joe Rochefort or Bletchley Park situations, but those are rare exceptions.

Jack Ryan, in the Clancy novels and films, gives a pretty good representation of both these points, except that Ryan is always right, and that's not how it works in the real world.

My best guess as to what happened is that some analyst comes across cash payments from somebody in Russia to the Taliban, and concludes that it must be bounty payments for killing US soldiers. He/she runs it up the flagpole, nobody salutes, so he/she decides to leak it instead.

Now I have a couple of problems with this. If Russia is paying the Taliban for anything, doesn't that make them our enemy on some level? But isn't that also a pretty cogent expression of the futility of our being there in the first place?

Never fight a war that you don't intend to win. Never, never, never, never fight a war that you don't want anybody to win. We're doing both of those in the Mideast.

I'd GTFO and stay TFO, with two caveats. I'd make it very clear to Russia (and anybody else who needs to know) that the Kurds and Israel are off limits. I'd also make sure that both are armed to the teeth.

With getting out of the Mideast, we can then focus on the real problem--China. We are already in Cold War II, and China is the enemy this time. Anybody assuming otherwise is going to be in for a huge negative surprise. And getting out of the Mideast carries one other advantage. The Chinese economy depends on the Middle East for about 40% of it's total oil. If we aren't guaranteeing that oil's passage through the Straits of Hormuz, then they have to. And that deflects a huge portion of their military away from threatening its neighbors around the South China Sea.

I actually think we could make a lot of hay by triangulating Russia against China. But we need to recognize that the real enemy is not somewhere in the sands of the Mideast.

So when is president "only I can fix it" going to turn on his Chinese and Russian buddies to make this happen. 05-stirthepot
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I guess when you decide you can make an actual contribution and post something instead of throwing crap against the wall and hopes it sticks besides your weak ass trolling.
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(07-02-2020 10:11 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 09:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  A couple of things about intelligence agencies, from someone who has spent a bit of time working with them.

One, there are all sorts of contrary views represented. That is as it should be. There's a problem at the top because those folks are all very set in their views. They've invested their careers in the assumption that if Taiwan does this, China will do that, and they have no room for contrary opinions. But at the lackey level, opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one.

Two, intel isn't about certainty. You take bits and pieces and try to figure out the missing parts. You don't have subpoena power, so you have to do the best you can without a bunch of information. Yes, there are the occasional Joe Rochefort or Bletchley Park situations, but those are rare exceptions.

Jack Ryan, in the Clancy novels and films, gives a pretty good representation of both these points, except that Ryan is always right, and that's not how it works in the real world.

My best guess as to what happened is that some analyst comes across cash payments from somebody in Russia to the Taliban, and concludes that it must be bounty payments for killing US soldiers. He/she runs it up the flagpole, nobody salutes, so he/she decides to leak it instead.

Now I have a couple of problems with this. If Russia is paying the Taliban for anything, doesn't that make them our enemy on some level? But isn't that also a pretty cogent expression of the futility of our being there in the first place?

Never fight a war that you don't intend to win. Never, never, never, never fight a war that you don't want anybody to win. We're doing both of those in the Mideast.

I'd GTFO and stay TFO, with two caveats. I'd make it very clear to Russia (and anybody else who needs to know) that the Kurds and Israel are off limits. I'd also make sure that both are armed to the teeth.

With getting out of the Mideast, we can then focus on the real problem--China. We are already in Cold War II, and China is the enemy this time. Anybody assuming otherwise is going to be in for a huge negative surprise. And getting out of the Mideast carries one other advantage. The Chinese economy depends on the Middle East for about 40% of it's total oil. If we aren't guaranteeing that oil's passage through the Straits of Hormuz, then they have to. And that deflects a huge portion of their military away from threatening its neighbors around the South China Sea.

I actually think we could make a lot of hay by triangulating Russia against China. But we need to recognize that the real enemy is not somewhere in the sands of the Mideast.

So when is president "only I can fix it" going to turn on his Chinese and Russian buddies to make this happen. 05-stirthepot

Awww. You seem mixed up. Aparently you have not notice that China has purchased the loyalty of Biden and Nancy. Im not sure what they have on them, but it must be really good. Just yesterday, Nancy led an effort to block a Congressional condemnation of a Chinese cyber attack on the US healthcare system. Nancy didnt want to upset her Communist Chinese buddies. Nancy has quite the tight budding love affair with the Chinese. Poor Taiwan.
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Pretty sure one of Fransicko Nans daughters (if she has more than one) or someone nearby is a well paid FARA type.
Funny how they go after the chillens and other relatives of powerful dims, no?

Speaking of which, where is Hunter? Has his crackhead-azz paid his baby momma yet?

Imagine if that was Don Jr. or Eric. Lol
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(07-02-2020 11:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 10:11 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 09:54 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  A couple of things about intelligence agencies, from someone who has spent a bit of time working with them.

One, there are all sorts of contrary views represented. That is as it should be. There's a problem at the top because those folks are all very set in their views. They've invested their careers in the assumption that if Taiwan does this, China will do that, and they have no room for contrary opinions. But at the lackey level, opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one.

Two, intel isn't about certainty. You take bits and pieces and try to figure out the missing parts. You don't have subpoena power, so you have to do the best you can without a bunch of information. Yes, there are the occasional Joe Rochefort or Bletchley Park situations, but those are rare exceptions.

Jack Ryan, in the Clancy novels and films, gives a pretty good representation of both these points, except that Ryan is always right, and that's not how it works in the real world.

My best guess as to what happened is that some analyst comes across cash payments from somebody in Russia to the Taliban, and concludes that it must be bounty payments for killing US soldiers. He/she runs it up the flagpole, nobody salutes, so he/she decides to leak it instead.

Now I have a couple of problems with this. If Russia is paying the Taliban for anything, doesn't that make them our enemy on some level? But isn't that also a pretty cogent expression of the futility of our being there in the first place?

Never fight a war that you don't intend to win. Never, never, never, never fight a war that you don't want anybody to win. We're doing both of those in the Mideast.

I'd GTFO and stay TFO, with two caveats. I'd make it very clear to Russia (and anybody else who needs to know) that the Kurds and Israel are off limits. I'd also make sure that both are armed to the teeth.

With getting out of the Mideast, we can then focus on the real problem--China. We are already in Cold War II, and China is the enemy this time. Anybody assuming otherwise is going to be in for a huge negative surprise. And getting out of the Mideast carries one other advantage. The Chinese economy depends on the Middle East for about 40% of it's total oil. If we aren't guaranteeing that oil's passage through the Straits of Hormuz, then they have to. And that deflects a huge portion of their military away from threatening its neighbors around the South China Sea.

I actually think we could make a lot of hay by triangulating Russia against China. But we need to recognize that the real enemy is not somewhere in the sands of the Mideast.

So when is president "only I can fix it" going to turn on his Chinese and Russian buddies to make this happen. 05-stirthepot

Awww. You seem mixed up. Aparently you have not notice that China has purchased the loyalty of Biden and Nancy. Im not sure what they have on them, but it must be really good. Just yesterday, Nancy led an effort to block a Congressional condemnation of a Chinese cyber attack on the US healthcare system. Nancy didnt want to upset her Communist Chinese buddies. Nancy has quite the tight budding love affair with the Chinese. Poor Taiwan.
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Quote:The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday unanimously passed a sanctions bill to penalize China for imposing a strict new security law in Hong Kong that Speaker Nancy Pelosi said “signals the death” of the territory’s autonomous legal status.

What happened: The House passed the bill by unanimous consent on Wednesday after Pelosi slammed the new Hong Kong security law at a hearing held by the Foreign Services Committee that morning.

"Beijing’s so-called national security law … signals the death of the one country, two systems principle," she said.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/01...law-347060
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