This information is credited to TexasJeremy who posted a much larger volume of data on a Eer 247 board. The information is well presented and I believe can yield quite a bit of insight into how potential realignment targets might be assessed when all conferences move to streaming platforms. And while the most obvious schools would remain the obvious targets this data dispels some assumptions and offers a new look at some schools:

2018-19 College Football Season's Nationally Ranked Games' Viewership Information:

1. SEC Total Viewers in Millions: 428.276
2. Big 10 Total Viewers in Millions: 348.378
3. Big 12 Total Viewers in Millions: 239.762
4. ACC Total Viewers in Millions: 233.157
5. PAC12 Total Viewers in Millions: 181.811



Average Viewers Per Member for the Conferences

1. SEC Average Viewers per School: 30.591M
2. Big 10 Average Viewers per School: 24.884M
3. Big 12 Average Viewers per School: 23.976M
4. ACC Average Viewers per School: 16.654M
5. PAC 12 Average Viewers per School: 15,151M


The Following Will Give by Conference the National Ranking of the School and It's Total Viewership in Millions for All Ranked Games:

SEC

1. Alabama 114.364
5. Georgia 63.410
9. Louisiana State 49.793
12. Auburn 34.278
13. Florida 30.654
16. Texas A&M 27.081
20. Mississippi State 22.718
29. Kentucky 17.038
35. Missouri 15.103
37. Tennessee 14.725
39. Mississippi 13.518
42. South Carolina 11.626
57. Vanderbilt 7.948
60. Arkansas 6.010


Big 10

2. Ohio State 86.97
7. Michigan 54.946
11. Penn State 37.297
14. Northwestern 27.360
17. Michigan State 26.427
18. Wisconsin 23.788
24. Iowa 20.686
27. Nebraska 18.456
32. Purdue 15.903
40. Maryland 12.830
45. Indiana 10.837
58. Minnesota 7.386
63. Rutgers 3.038
65. Illinois 2.454



Big 12

4. Oklahoma 65.147
8. Texas 50,710
15. West Virginia 27.186
22. Texas Christian 21.532
23. Oklahoma State 21.026
34. Iowa State 15.394
38. Texas Tech 13.760
44. Baylor 11.080
56. Kansas State 8.041
61. Kansas 5.889


ACC

3. Clemson 74.633
19. Florida State 22.979
25. Miami 20.019
26. Virginia Tech 19.422
31. Syracuse 16.552
33. Pittsburgh 15.928
48. Louisville 10.049
49. N.C. State 9.959
51. Boston College 9.458
53. Georgia Tech 8.468
54. Virginia 8.332
55. Wake Forest 8.121
59. Duke 6.727
64. North Carolina 2.610

6. Notre Dame* 61.159



PAC12


10. Washington 42.313
21. Southern Cal 21.723
28. Washington State 18.226
30. Oregon 17.035
36. Stanford 14.738
41. U.C.L.A. 12.317
42. Utah 11.188
46. Arizona State 10.480
47. Colorado 10.364
50. Arizona 9.56
52. California 9.017
62. Oregon State 4.850



Some things to ponder: West Virginia and Virginia Tech jump way up in a world which streams. Some others drop significantly. South Carolina and Arkansas don't look so hot for the SEC. Mississippi State goes up. Rutgers looks weak for the Big 10 if the purpose was to drive viewers in N.J.. It may have been fine for the subscription model but doesn't bode well at all for streaming. And Illinois, yikes! Missouri looks better somewhat based on viewership.

Of course Texas and Oklahoma are still strong, but Kansas looks even worse than before as an option.

So my challenge to you as you peruse this information is to rethink realignment priorities based on the concept that streaming will reward actual viewers. Then let's look at our preferences again.

This is of course a 1 year snap shot, but I was grateful to find the information or comparisons at all. Enjoy.

If I've said it once, I've said it a dozen times... the top 4 Big XII teams in terms of how much they would benefit the ACC are:
4. Oklahoma 65.147
8. Texas 50,710
15. West Virginia 27.186
22. Texas Christian 21.532

Assuming the ACC has no shot at OU and only a shot with Texas for a Notre Dame type deal at best, it really boils down to WVU and TCU. Should anything happen to the Big XII, the ACC should have those two ready to join immediately (i.e. they should have a gentlemen's agreement now!)

(06-27-2020 09:00 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If I've said it once, I've said it a dozen times... the top 4 Big XII teams in terms of how much they would benefit the ACC are:
4. Oklahoma 65.147
8. Texas 50,710
15. West Virginia 27.186
22. Texas Christian 21.532

Assuming the ACC has no shot at OU and only a shot with Texas for a Notre Dame type deal at best, it really boils down to WVU and TCU. Should anything happen to the Big XII, the ACC should have those two ready to join immediately (i.e. they should have a gentlemen's agreement now!)

More importantly Mark, these are the only numbers that will matter at all within a few years. Attendance revenue will be dwarfed by the potential of streaming especially if the conference ban together and market their own product. It would require the cost of a couple of satellites but the returns would be minimally 500 million a year per school and likely more and that's just for football. The WSJ valuations will be radically altered and what the conferences can make on their own and together in a bundle will dwarf even what the SEC and Big 10 currently make.

BTW: Look at the audience draw of the top 6 schools and ask yourself if they look very much like each year's CFP with minor exceptions. There are no accidents.

Pretty big jump from #1 to #2. Another significant jump from #2 to #3.

Theoretically, the distance from the SEC to the Big Ten might actually grow in coming years. With more games moving to ABC/ESPN, that should actually inflate some of the numbers. As streaming increases then it also helps to be partnered with the platform that does it the best...which could be the same company.

If we take it as a matter of averages, the SEC averages about 30.5M per school in a given season. Outside of the Big Ten and PAC 12, the schools that exceed that average are Texas, Oklahoma, Clemson, and Notre Dame.

Now some of this comes down to the quality of the team. Better teams win more games and get on TV more. Therefore they have more viewers. That sort of factor can vary over time, of course.

If we were looking at a 5 or 10 year average of these sorts of numbers then we might see a difference here and there, but I don't think anything too drastic. Fans watch their own team and they watch quality competition. The bigger your fan base, the stronger your baseline is. The better your team, the higher your upside is.

West Virginia is one of those schools with a large fan base even if many of their people leave the general area due to economics. They keep watching their Mountaineers out of state. Florida State still has a pretty solid reputation. Virginia Tech is one that has the potential to grow being the only genuine football school in a strong sized market.

There's also a clear divide in the ACC between schools that are competitive with viewers and quite a few that simply don't register. I'm a little surprised UNC's numbers are that low simply because they had a decent team last year. Syracuse and Pittsburgh aren't too bad actually..rating around the middle of the pack nationally. Most of the basketball schools in the league appear to simply exist in limbo.

If we're talking about a model that pays per viewer then the ACC has an issue.

what does this mean?

The Following Will Give by Conference the National Ranking of the School and It's Total Viewership in Millions for All Ranked Games:

Which games are ranked and which are not?

(06-28-2020 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  what does this mean?

The Following Will Give by Conference the National Ranking of the School and It's Total Viewership in Millions for All Ranked Games:

Which games are ranked and which are not?

Only nationally televised games were ranked. And they were called ranked because they were compared to one another for audience. There was no attempt to compare regional and T3 games to those aired to a national audience because the methodology was to try to get as much of an apples to apples comparison as possible. If the game was telecasted on NBC, ABC, CBS, or FOX the viewership was compared. The statistic I gave though each week of the season was covered and each subsequent week to the first tallied, was for the entire season. This is why Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and Oklahoma had much higher totals since they played in the CFP. But that is part of the season and part of the reward for winning. I also copied the totals for week 12 and they weren't much different. The hottest schools had more national telecasts and the viewing totals reflected it.

I would like to see a 10 year average but finding any compilation of these numbers is virtually impossible to pull from a search. I stumbled onto these.

(06-28-2020 10:01 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  what does this mean?

The Following Will Give by Conference the National Ranking of the School and It's Total Viewership in Millions for All Ranked Games:

Which games are ranked and which are not?

Only nationally televised games were ranked. And they were called ranked because they were compared to one another for audience. There was no attempt to compare regional and T3 games to those aired to a national audience because the methodology was to try to get as much of an apples to apples comparison as possible. If the game was telecasted on NBC, ABC, CBS, or FOX the viewership was compared. The statistic I gave though each week of the season was covered and each subsequent week to the first tallied, was for the entire season. This is why Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and Oklahoma had much higher totals since they played in the CFP. But that is part of the season and part of the reward for winning. I also copied the totals for week 12 and they weren't much different. The hottest schools had more national telecasts and the viewing totals reflected it.

I would like to see a 10 year average but finding any compilation of these numbers is virtually impossible to pull from a search. I stumbled onto these.

How do we know how many games are included for each team?
Not only would some teams not have many "ranked national opponents", but several teams had weather related cancellations.
I with you JR, having the numbers for an extended period of time would tell a more accurate story.

(06-28-2020 10:09 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 10:01 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  what does this mean?

The Following Will Give by Conference the National Ranking of the School and It's Total Viewership in Millions for All Ranked Games:

Which games are ranked and which are not?

Only nationally televised games were ranked. And they were called ranked because they were compared to one another for audience. There was no attempt to compare regional and T3 games to those aired to a national audience because the methodology was to try to get as much of an apples to apples comparison as possible. If the game was telecasted on NBC, ABC, CBS, or FOX the viewership was compared. The statistic I gave though each week of the season was covered and each subsequent week to the first tallied, was for the entire season. This is why Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and Oklahoma had much higher totals since they played in the CFP. But that is part of the season and part of the reward for winning. I also copied the totals for week 12 and they weren't much different. The hottest schools had more national telecasts and the viewing totals reflected it.

I would like to see a 10 year average but finding any compilation of these numbers is virtually impossible to pull from a search. I stumbled onto these.

How do we know how many games are included for each team?
Not only would some teams not have many "ranked national opponents", but several teams had weather related cancellations.
I with you JR, having the numbers for an extended period of time would tell a more accurate story.

They did list that the number of games per school but the thrust of the report was most viewed. That takes into account the fact that the networks only put the most compelling teams on a national telecast and other than an early hurricane week in 2018 there weren't many weather cancellations that I recall. And even then they didn't really involve any games that were national broadcasts.

My points in posting this were (1) it's danged hard to find any comprehensive data that is organized and apples to apples and (2) in a streaming world this is the only number that will matter as Attendance & WSJ Valuations won't impact the revenue and neither will size of states. Actual viewers will be all that matters. And when we get to that deliver mode at least then we will know precisely how many viewers each school has for the year for all games. But I do not expect them to vary much from the current national telecasts in terms of power to generate ad revenue or draw a customer.

I usually go by Sports Media Watch's list(s).

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

Here’s a fun way to look at it...

SEC Average Viewers per School: 30.591M
Texas A&M 27.081
Missouri 15.103
Average of New Members: 21.092M

Big 10 Average Viewers per School: 24.884M
Nebraska 18.456
Maryland 12.830
Rutgers 3.038
Average of New Members: 11.441M

Big 12 Average Viewers per School: 23.976M
West Virginia 27.186
Texas Christian 21.532
Average of New Members: 24.359M
Average of Departed Members: 17.751M

ACC Average Viewers per School: 16.654M
Syracuse 16.552
Pittsburgh 15.928
Louisville 10.049
Average of New Members: 14.176M
Departed Member: 12.830M

PAC 12 Average Viewers per School: 15.151M
Utah 11.188
Colorado 10.364
Average of New Members: 10.776M

The Big XII is the only conference where the average of the new members is higher than the average for the conference as a whole. It would be interesting to have the numbers for the American to compare it to the old Big East (the last stable iteration - USF, Louisville, Cincinnati, WVU, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Rutgers, UConn).

What conference is the most overvalued and what conference is the most undervalued based upon media contracts for 2018-2019? Did the SEC make twice as much as the ACC/Pac-12 with the Big Ten/Big XII about halfway between?

(06-28-2020 10:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  My points in posting this were (1) it's danged hard to find any comprehensive data that is organized and apples to apples and (2) in a streaming world this is the only number that will matter as Attendance & WSJ Valuations won't impact the revenue and neither will size of states. Actual viewers will be all that matters. And when we get to that deliver mode at least then we will know precisely how many viewers each school has for the year for all games. But I do not expect them to vary much from the current national telecasts in terms of power to generate ad revenue or draw a customer.

I wouldn't say size of states won't matter. Will most games be available nationally? Yes. A majority of P5 games are available on one of the broadcast or major cable networks now. Even the Washington States and Wake Forests of the country can be seen here in the Philly area a few times a year. The difference is someone in Pennsylvania is more likely to be a Penn State fan than someone in Wyoming. The schools in larger states/cities will have larger potential audiences/fanbases. Yes, it's just as easy for the fan in Wyoming to see a Penn State game as it is for the fan in Wyoming, Pennsylvania (believe it or not, there is a Wyoming, PA). But who do you think will have more of an interest in seeing the game all things being equal? The Penn State's, Ohio State's, Florida's, Texas's, will still have an advantage over the schools in less populous states, especially second choice schools in those states all things being equal. Of course winning trumps everything. UCLA is a mediocre team. Can you imagine how popular they would be in Los Angeles if they were as good as Ohio State or Alabama every year? By contrast, if Clemson were .500 every year they'd be irrelevant nationally, especially if South Carolina were better.

(06-28-2020 01:43 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 10:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  My points in posting this were (1) it's danged hard to find any comprehensive data that is organized and apples to apples and (2) in a streaming world this is the only number that will matter as Attendance & WSJ Valuations won't impact the revenue and neither will size of states. Actual viewers will be all that matters. And when we get to that deliver mode at least then we will know precisely how many viewers each school has for the year for all games. But I do not expect them to vary much from the current national telecasts in terms of power to generate ad revenue or draw a customer.

I wouldn't say size of states won't matter. Will most games be available nationally? Yes. A majority of P5 games are available on one of the broadcast or major cable networks now. Even the Washington States and Wake Forests of the country can be seen here in the Philly area a few times a year. The difference is someone in Pennsylvania is more likely to be a Penn State fan than someone in Wyoming. The schools in larger states/cities will have larger potential audiences/fanbases. Yes, it's just as easy for the fan in Wyoming to see a Penn State game as it is for the fan in Wyoming, Pennsylvania (believe it or not, there is a Wyoming, PA). But who do you think will have more of an interest in seeing the game all things being equal? The Penn State's, Ohio State's, Florida's, Texas's, will still have an advantage over the schools in less populous states, especially second choice schools in those states all things being equal. Of course winning trumps everything. UCLA is a mediocre team. Can you imagine how popular they would be in Los Angeles if they were as good as Ohio State or Alabama every year? By contrast, if Clemson were .500 every year they'd be irrelevant nationally, especially if South Carolina were better.

And yet Alabama is first and Auburn is twelfth in the nation and the second is the second school and is from a small state. And it happens to be 7th in athletic profit, 12th in attendance, and 15th in all time wins and all of that done while in the shadow of the Tide. Not bad for a cow college from a small state huh?

(06-28-2020 01:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 01:43 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 10:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  My points in posting this were (1) it's danged hard to find any comprehensive data that is organized and apples to apples and (2) in a streaming world this is the only number that will matter as Attendance & WSJ Valuations won't impact the revenue and neither will size of states. Actual viewers will be all that matters. And when we get to that deliver mode at least then we will know precisely how many viewers each school has for the year for all games. But I do not expect them to vary much from the current national telecasts in terms of power to generate ad revenue or draw a customer.

I wouldn't say size of states won't matter. Will most games be available nationally? Yes. A majority of P5 games are available on one of the broadcast or major cable networks now. Even the Washington States and Wake Forests of the country can be seen here in the Philly area a few times a year. The difference is someone in Pennsylvania is more likely to be a Penn State fan than someone in Wyoming. The schools in larger states/cities will have larger potential audiences/fanbases. Yes, it's just as easy for the fan in Wyoming to see a Penn State game as it is for the fan in Wyoming, Pennsylvania (believe it or not, there is a Wyoming, PA). But who do you think will have more of an interest in seeing the game all things being equal? The Penn State's, Ohio State's, Florida's, Texas's, will still have an advantage over the schools in less populous states, especially second choice schools in those states all things being equal. Of course winning trumps everything. UCLA is a mediocre team. Can you imagine how popular they would be in Los Angeles if they were as good as Ohio State or Alabama every year? By contrast, if Clemson were .500 every year they'd be irrelevant nationally, especially if South Carolina were better.

And yet Alabama is first and Auburn is twelfth in the nation and the second is the second school and is from a small state. And it happens to be 7th in athletic profit, 12th in attendance, and 15th in all time wins and all of that done while in the shadow of the Tide. Not bad for a cow college from a small state huh?

exactly. Again, this just shows how bad the Pac is.. from revenue, ratings and attendance. But apparently they are much more valuable than the Big 12

(06-27-2020 05:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This information is credited to TexasJeremy who posted a much larger volume of data on a Eer 247 board. The information is well presented and I believe can yield quite a bit of insight into how potential realignment targets might be assessed when all conferences move to streaming platforms. And while the most obvious schools would remain the obvious targets this data dispels some assumptions and offers a new look at some schools:

2018-19 College Football Season's Nationally Ranked Games' Viewership Information:

1. SEC Total Viewers in Millions: 428.276
2. Big 10 Total Viewers in Millions: 348.378
3. Big 12 Total Viewers in Millions: 239.762
4. ACC Total Viewers in Millions: 233.157
5. PAC12 Total Viewers in Millions: 181.811



Average Viewers Per Member for the Conferences

1. SEC Average Viewers per School: 30.591M
2. Big 10 Average Viewers per School: 24.884M
3. Big 12 Average Viewers per School: 23.976M
4. ACC Average Viewers per School: 16.654M
5. PAC 12 Average Viewers per School: 15,151M


The Following Will Give by Conference the National Ranking of the School and It's Total Viewership in Millions for All Ranked Games:

SEC

1. Alabama 114.364
5. Georgia 63.410
9. Louisiana State 49.793
12. Auburn 34.278
13. Florida 30.654
16. Texas A&M 27.081
20. Mississippi State 22.718
29. Kentucky 17.038
35. Missouri 15.103
37. Tennessee 14.725
39. Mississippi 13.518
42. South Carolina 11.626
57. Vanderbilt 7.948
60. Arkansas 6.010


Big 10

2. Ohio State 86.97
7. Michigan 54.946
11. Penn State 37.297
14. Northwestern 27.360
17. Michigan State 26.427
18. Wisconsin 23.788
24. Iowa 20.686
27. Nebraska 18.456
32. Purdue 15.903
40. Maryland 12.830
45. Indiana 10.837
58. Minnesota 7.386
63. Rutgers 3.038
65. Illinois 2.454



Big 12

4. Oklahoma 65.147
8. Texas 50,710
15. West Virginia 27.186
22. Texas Christian 21.532
23. Oklahoma State 21.026
34. Iowa State 15.394
38. Texas Tech 13.760
44. Baylor 11.080
56. Kansas State 8.041
61. Kansas 5.889


ACC

3. Clemson 74.633
19. Florida State 22.979
25. Miami 20.019
26. Virginia Tech 19.422
31. Syracuse 16.552
33. Pittsburgh 15.928
48. Louisville 10.049
49. N.C. State 9.959
51. Boston College 9.458
53. Georgia Tech 8.468
54. Virginia 8.332
55. Wake Forest 8.121
59. Duke 6.727
64. North Carolina 2.610

6. Notre Dame* 61.159



PAC12


10. Washington 42.313
21. Southern Cal 21.723
28. Washington State 18.226
30. Oregon 17.035
36. Stanford 14.738
41. U.C.L.A. 12.317
42. Utah 11.188
46. Arizona State 10.480
47. Colorado 10.364
50. Arizona 9.56
52. California 9.017
62. Oregon State 4.850



Some things to ponder: West Virginia and Virginia Tech jump way up in a world which streams. Some others drop significantly. South Carolina and Arkansas don't look so hot for the SEC. Mississippi State goes up. Rutgers looks weak for the Big 10 if the purpose was to drive viewers in N.J.. It may have been fine for the subscription model but doesn't bode well at all for streaming. And Illinois, yikes! Missouri looks better somewhat based on viewership.

Of course Texas and Oklahoma are still strong, but Kansas looks even worse than before as an option.

So my challenge to you as you peruse this information is to rethink realignment priorities based on the concept that streaming will reward actual viewers. Then let's look at our preferences again.

This is of course a 1 year snap shot, but I was grateful to find the information or comparisons at all. Enjoy.

Just for fun let's see what 3 conferences of 18 teams each would look like if it was managed by using television viewers & geography (WVU excepted) as the organizing principle:

Big 10:
Ohio State
Notre Dame
Michigan
Penn State
Northwestern
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Syracuse
Purdue
Pittsburgh
Maryland
Indiana
Boston College
Virginia
Minnesota
Duke


Boston College, Duke, Maryland, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia
Indiana, Ohio State, Purdue, Michigan State, Penn State, Notre Dame
Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin


SEC:
Alabama
Clemson
Georgia
L.S.U.
Auburn
Florida
Texas A&M
Florida State
Mississippi State
Miami
Virginia Tech
Kentucky
Missouri
Tennessee
Mississippi
South Carolina
Louisville
N.C. State

Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Miami Tennessee
Clemson, Kentucky, Louisville, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M


PAC/Big 12
Oklahoma
Texas
Washington
West Virginia
Southern Cal
T.C.U.
Oklahoma State
Washington State
Oregon
Iowa State
Stanford
Texas Tech
U.C.L.A.
Utah
Baylor
Arizona State
Colorado
Arizona
California

California, U.C.L.A., Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, T.C.U., Texas Tech, Utah
Baylor, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, West Virginia

(06-27-2020 05:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  57. Vanderbilt 7.948
60. Arkansas 6.010

Arkansas appears to be doing long term damage to the program at this point. Surprised Vandy is that high. They did got a crossover bump from TAMU though.

(06-27-2020 05:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  15. West Virginia 27.186

Well that pretty much precludes any other choice as the pairing for Notre Dame at a hypothetical ACC 16. That would be a high friction marriage.

(06-27-2020 05:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ACC
3. Clemson 74.633
19. Florida State 22.979
25. Miami 20.019
26. Virginia Tech 19.422
31. Syracuse 16.552
33. Pittsburgh 15.928
48. Louisville 10.049
49. N.C. State 9.959
51. Boston College 9.458
53. Georgia Tech 8.468
54. Virginia 8.332
55. Wake Forest 8.121
59. Duke 6.727
64. North Carolina 2.610

6. Notre Dame* 61.159

The second worst season of the modern era for GT football and they still beat Cavman's best season since ACC expansion in 2003. Wake punches above their weight as always. Surprised Duke is even that high as little as they administratively care about football. UNC is inexcusable. And in light of their scandals kind of amusing really.

An Economical P4: (This one is for you XLance)

Big 10:
Maryland, N.C. State, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia Tech
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue
Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

SEC:
Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee
Alabama, Florida State, Kentucky, Mississippi State, South Carolina
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Texas A&M

Big West:
California, California Los Angeles, Oregon, Utah, Washington
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Public & Private & Public Privates (4 P Conference)
Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Miami, Virginia
Baylor, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Stanford, T.C.U.
Louisville, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia

At 60 schools broken into 4 fifteen member conferences you have quite a compact and efficient arrangement and one that should be wholly conducive to Notre Dame's aims if forced to be in a conference. The Irish have 2 home and 2 away games annually with California and Texas teams and rotate games each year in the Northeast and Southeast.

Public & Private & Public Privates (4 P Conference)
Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Miami, Virginia
Baylor, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Stanford, T.C.U.
Louisville, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia


pretty good group if you removed the two west coast teams (not practical).
Tulane, Vanderbilt, SMU or Rice come to mind as acceptable replacements, maybe not with the football gravitas of the west coast teams, but certainly compatible.

(07-04-2020 03:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  Public & Private & Public Privates (4 P Conference)
Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Miami, Virginia
Baylor, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Stanford, T.C.U.
Louisville, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia


pretty good group if you removed the two west coast teams (not practical).
Tulane, Vanderbilt, SMU or Rice come to mind as acceptable replacements, maybe not with the football gravitas of the west coast teams, but certainly compatible.

Somebody has to add the revenue X. USC and Stanford do that very well and Notre Dame loves them.

(07-04-2020 04:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 03:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  Public & Private & Public Privates (4 P Conference)
Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Miami, Virginia
Baylor, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Stanford, T.C.U.
Louisville, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia


pretty good group if you removed the two west coast teams (not practical).
Tulane, Vanderbilt, SMU or Rice come to mind as acceptable replacements, maybe not with the football gravitas of the west coast teams, but certainly compatible.

Somebody has to add the revenue X. USC and Stanford do that very well and Notre Dame loves them.

You could have:
private U west:
USC
Stanford
BYU
SMU
TCU
Baylor
Rice
Tulane
private U east
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Boston College
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Miami

12 P5 schools + BYU, SMU, Tulane and Rice

(07-04-2020 04:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 04:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 03:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  Public & Private & Public Privates (4 P Conference)
Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Miami, Virginia
Baylor, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Stanford, T.C.U.
Louisville, Northwestern, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia


pretty good group if you removed the two west coast teams (not practical).
Tulane, Vanderbilt, SMU or Rice come to mind as acceptable replacements, maybe not with the football gravitas of the west coast teams, but certainly compatible.

Somebody has to add the revenue X. USC and Stanford do that very well and Notre Dame loves them.

You could have:
private U west:
USC
Stanford
BYU
SMU
TCU
Baylor
Rice
Tulane
private U east
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Boston College
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest
Miami

12 P5 schools + BYU, SMU, Tulane and Rice

Why add 3 more schools that add nothing of significance competitively or in terms of market penetration?