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RE: Jona's Val for James Wiseman draft slot?
(07-02-2020 02:00 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 10:55 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  If Golden State falls to #3-5 I think a Memphis trade for Jonas may be a real possiblity.

#1 and #2 are likely Edwards and Ball.

Golden State had had a zoom meeting with Wiseman but they don't seem to be in love with him.

The Warriors are in the win now mode and need another defensive presence as Wiggins defense is sub par.

If they want to win now:

Seth
Wiggins
Klay
Draymond
Val ( over Wiseman)

Val isn’t a defensive presence

Lol, if you say so.

He is Mr. Double Double and is entering his prime.
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RE: Jona's Val for James Wiseman draft slot?
(07-02-2020 05:28 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 02:00 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 10:55 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  If Golden State falls to #3-5 I think a Memphis trade for Jonas may be a real possiblity.

#1 and #2 are likely Edwards and Ball.

Golden State had had a zoom meeting with Wiseman but they don't seem to be in love with him.

The Warriors are in the win now mode and need another defensive presence as Wiggins defense is sub par.

If they want to win now:

Seth
Wiggins
Klay
Draymond
Val ( over Wiseman)

Val isn’t a defensive presence

Lol, if you say so.

He is Mr. Double Double and is entering his prime.

Yeah because getting double doubles equals a good defender.

I like Jonas, but the guy isn't known for his defense.

Warriors could win now even with Wiseman. Seth, Klay, and Draymond are all good enough to where Wiseman wouldn't have to be asked to do a ton other than just protect the rim.
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RE: Jona's Val for James Wiseman draft slot?
(07-03-2020 09:36 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 05:28 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 02:00 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 10:55 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  If Golden State falls to #3-5 I think a Memphis trade for Jonas may be a real possiblity.

#1 and #2 are likely Edwards and Ball.

Golden State had had a zoom meeting with Wiseman but they don't seem to be in love with him.

The Warriors are in the win now mode and need another defensive presence as Wiggins defense is sub par.

If they want to win now:

Seth
Wiggins
Klay
Draymond
Val ( over Wiseman)

Val isn’t a defensive presence

Lol, if you say so.

He is Mr. Double Double and is entering his prime.

Yeah because getting double doubles equals a good defender.

I like Jonas, but the guy isn't known for his defense.

Warriors could win now even with Wiseman. Seth, Klay, and Draymond are all good enough to where Wiseman wouldn't have to be asked to do a ton other than just protect the rim.

No, because rebounding the ball and double doubles are both good for offense and defense. It keeps the other team from scoring, much the same way a strong pitcher in baseball helps the defense.

I already brought up Jonas problems with pick n roll defense earlier in this thread.

I guess we will see how good they are if they stand pat, but if GSW doesnt pick up a legit big, they aren't going to come out champions of the west for the next few years.

No way they can beat either the Lakers or the Clippers and the clock is ticking on the Dubs big 3 so I think they will really examine their options.
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RE: Jona's Val for James Wiseman draft slot?
(Yesterday 12:21 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(07-03-2020 09:36 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 05:28 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 02:00 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 10:55 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  If Golden State falls to #3-5 I think a Memphis trade for Jonas may be a real possiblity.

#1 and #2 are likely Edwards and Ball.

Golden State had had a zoom meeting with Wiseman but they don't seem to be in love with him.

The Warriors are in the win now mode and need another defensive presence as Wiggins defense is sub par.

If they want to win now:

Seth
Wiggins
Klay
Draymond
Val ( over Wiseman)

Val isn’t a defensive presence

Lol, if you say so.

He is Mr. Double Double and is entering his prime.

Yeah because getting double doubles equals a good defender.

I like Jonas, but the guy isn't known for his defense.

Warriors could win now even with Wiseman. Seth, Klay, and Draymond are all good enough to where Wiseman wouldn't have to be asked to do a ton other than just protect the rim.

No, because rebounding the ball and double doubles are both good for offense and defense. It keeps the other team from scoring, much the same way a strong pitcher in baseball helps the defense.

I already brought up Jonas problems with pick n roll defense earlier in this thread.

I guess we will see how good they are if they stand pat, but if GSW doesnt pick up a legit big, they aren't going to come out champions of the west for the next few years.

No way they can beat either the Lakers or the Clippers and the clock is ticking on the Dubs big 3 so I think they will really examine their options.
Jonas is still not a good defender. You bringing up the fact he gets double doubles to argue against that is weak.

Jonas is is a good rebounder there is no question about that but he's a poor all around defender.

The Warriors don't need a legit big. They need a serviceable big. They need a big who can simply protect the rim. They won a title with Bogut as their big. Bogut wasn't great he was serviceable and did just enough.

The Warriors with a healthy Steph, Klay, and Draymond are easily one of the top 3 teams in the West. Now I'd still put the Lakers ahead of them, but I wouldn't necessarily put the Clippers ahead.
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RE: Jona's Val for James Wiseman draft slot?
(Yesterday 02:41 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:21 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(07-03-2020 09:36 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 05:28 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 02:00 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  Val isn’t a defensive presence

Lol, if you say so.

He is Mr. Double Double and is entering his prime.

Yeah because getting double doubles equals a good defender.

I like Jonas, but the guy isn't known for his defense.

Warriors could win now even with Wiseman. Seth, Klay, and Draymond are all good enough to where Wiseman wouldn't have to be asked to do a ton other than just protect the rim.

No, because rebounding the ball and double doubles are both good for offense and defense. It keeps the other team from scoring, much the same way a strong pitcher in baseball helps the defense.

I already brought up Jonas problems with pick n roll defense earlier in this thread.

I guess we will see how good they are if they stand pat, but if GSW doesnt pick up a legit big, they aren't going to come out champions of the west for the next few years.

No way they can beat either the Lakers or the Clippers and the clock is ticking on the Dubs big 3 so I think they will really examine their options.
Jonas is still not a good defender. You bringing up the fact he gets double doubles to argue against that is weak.

Jonas is is a good rebounder there is no question about that but he's a poor all around defender.

The Warriors don't need a legit big. They need a serviceable big. They need a big who can simply protect the rim. They won a title with Bogut as their big. Bogut wasn't great he was serviceable and did just enough.

The Warriors with a healthy Steph, Klay, and Draymond are easily one of the top 3 teams in the West. Now I'd still put the Lakers ahead of them, but I wouldn't necessarily put the Clippers ahead.

Lol, the Clippers may be the best team. I guess we will see.

Btw, thanks for making my point, Bogut was a veteran big man, not as good as Jonas.
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RE: Jona's Val for James Wiseman draft slot?
No. JV is a double double machine, a rebounding monster, and the perfect veteran complement to Jaren. And he has the perfect de-escalating contract that builds salary room for Jaren, then Ja, when it will be needed most. We can't keep 4 or 5 max contract guys at the same time, our depth will be decimated. Best to have 2 supermaxes, and fill in the holes with solid deals.

If we could draft Wiseman in the first year of Ja's next contract, it might be a different story. At that point having very talented players underpaid on rookie deals would be a phenomenal advantage.

And, this is all assuming Wiseman explains convincingly to a FO that his quitting on his teammates in college will have no predictive bearing on his loyalty and fight through tough times in the NBA. Because, for now, I am not so convinced.
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(Yesterday 03:30 PM)kabluey Wrote:  No. JV is a double double machine, a rebounding monster, and the perfect veteran complement to Jaren. And he has the perfect de-escalating contract that builds salary room for Jaren, then Ja, when it will be needed most. We can't keep 4 or 5 max contract guys at the same time, our depth will be decimated. Best to have 2 supermaxes, and fill in the holes with solid deals.

If we could draft Wiseman in the first year of Ja's next contract, it might be a different story. At that point having very talented players underpaid on rookie deals would be a phenomenal advantage.

And, this is all assuming Wiseman explains convincingly to a FO that his quitting on his teammates in college will have no predictive bearing on his loyalty and fight through tough times in the NBA. Because, for now, I am not so convinced.

This is one reason I'm ok with trading Jonas. He likely will not be here in 3 years anyway, especially not at his high value salary, 17 million bucks.

Maybe Porter pans out. There are actually a few tantalizing big men in this draft. Okongwu is possibly top 5 as well but I'm not sure he will be a game changer like Wiseman.

I like Reggie Perry as well.

I think James just needs to be honest with people about why he quit. You could literally see the smile and the joy leave him during the process.

The young man wanted to play, by all means appears a terrific talent and a great teammate.

Is it a risk? Yes based on his minimal sample size but I think we all know he is a absolute stud.

I have seen enough discussion about GSW trading this pick to believe there is some fire behind the smoke. It may not be here but if I'm Memphis I'm definitely offering Jonas and maybe another young player. (Not Clarke)

The Warriors are going to have to use their trade exception soon. Jonas is the perfect value but they may have their sights set higher.
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