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RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members
(06-29-2020 07:19 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 09:57 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Appalachian State University, $122.4 Million
Coastal Carolina University, $51.48 Million
Florida Atlantic University, $227 Million
Florida International University, $216.3 Million
Georgia Southern University, $64 Million
Georgia State University, $1.15 Billion
Marshall University, $129.4 Million
Middle Tennessee State University, $105.6 Million
Old Dominion University, $240.9 Million
University of Alabama at Birmingham, $495.3 Million
University of North Carolina at Charlotte, $230.35 Million
Western Kentucky University, $125.5 Million

C-USA and the Sun Belt have to add at least four schools between them survive as FBS conferences, and the resulting chaos opens up more appropriate homes for the legacy MEAC members.
I think you might have Georgia State confused with Georgia Tech. State's endowment in 2018 was $172 Million

Yeah, but they think it's $1B by the way they puff their chests out.
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RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members
(06-29-2020 06:25 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 07:19 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 09:57 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Appalachian State University, $122.4 Million
Coastal Carolina University, $51.48 Million
Florida Atlantic University, $227 Million
Florida International University, $216.3 Million
Georgia Southern University, $64 Million
Georgia State University, $1.15 Billion
Marshall University, $129.4 Million
Middle Tennessee State University, $105.6 Million
Old Dominion University, $240.9 Million
University of Alabama at Birmingham, $495.3 Million
University of North Carolina at Charlotte, $230.35 Million
Western Kentucky University, $125.5 Million

C-USA and the Sun Belt have to add at least four schools between them survive as FBS conferences, and the resulting chaos opens up more appropriate homes for the legacy MEAC members.
I think you might have Georgia State confused with Georgia Tech. State's endowment in 2018 was $172 Million

Yeah, but they think it's $1B by the way they puff their chests out.
That was what was listed on their Wikipedia page when I posted that. I came there from the Sun Belt page. I see now that it list the figure as their budget, with now endowment number listed.

Georgia Tech's budget and endowment are just over $2 Billion.
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RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members
The first 7.5 minutes of this video linked below is about CIAA-MEAC alignment. Key points of information brought up is; although D2 allows 36 football scholarships Bowie State offers only 12 and Virginia State offers 24, Virginia State's athletic budget of about $4M would have to be doubled just to be at the bottom of MEAC budgets, officials from both BSU and VSU were asked about D1 and neither was interested, and there is the issue of the $1.6M fee to join the MEAC. Not mentioned but Bowie State does not have 14 sports.

VIDEO: Expansion is hot topic for MEAC and CIAA, and the full article here.

The person being interviewed played football at WSSU during the time of their attempted transition to the MEAC and is also the one who wrote this article, Did WSSU’s failed DI attempt spark mass MEAC exodus?.
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RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members
(06-30-2020 01:09 PM)AZcats Wrote:  The first 7.5 minutes of this video linked below is about CIAA-MEAC alignment. Key points of information brought up is; although D2 allows 36 football scholarships Bowie State offers only 12 and Virginia State offers 24, Virginia State's athletic budget of about $4M would have to be doubled just to be at the bottom of MEAC budgets, officials from both BSU and VSU were asked about D1 and neither was interested, and there is the issue of the $1.6M fee to join the MEAC. Not mentioned but Bowie State does not have 14 sports.

VIDEO: Expansion is hot topic for MEAC and CIAA, and the full article here.

The person being interviewed played football at WSSU during the time of their attempted transition to the MEAC and is also the one who wrote this article, Did WSSU’s failed DI attempt spark mass MEAC exodus?.

Well, it looks like there will be no relief from the CIAA to save the MEAC. Their best positioned schools don’t want any part of it. That probably means that the MEAC will either stumble along as a weak shadow of its former self or get picked apart.
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Howard president’s voodoo worked.


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Did NEC say no thanks?
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(06-30-2020 02:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Howard president’s voodoo worked.



Delaware State better hope and pray everyone else sticks around; if one school leaves, then it's hello CIAA.
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(06-30-2020 02:07 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Did NEC say no thanks?

That seems likely.
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(06-30-2020 02:07 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Did NEC say no thanks?
probably means New Haven to the NEC is still a go.
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I think it's more a case of Delaware State and the NEC only had exploratory talks in the Spring. There simply is not enough time after BCU announced to do anything by June 30th deadline. Same is probably true for NCCU, SC State and Norfolk State in their talks with other conferences.

There is not likely going to be a 2020-21 season anyway, as individual schools are pushing back time lines or cancelling as the number of cases are spiking everywhere. So everyone will see where they fit, and whether D-I even makes sense if you are in the MEAC.

At the least this is a one year reprieve for the MEAC, 2021-22 they will likely still exist. Dr. Wayne Frederick is committed to the HBCU concept (either that or the CAA told him, we like your resume, but we don't have an opening for you) and is doing what he can to keep the members in place. No doubt the situation is helped by the ASUN having Jerry Falwell Jr's school, as no HBCU would want to associate with him; and also with the Big South already having 12 members, plus 9 in football.

The biggest worry is not any FCS conference, but rather the D-II Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association (nee Colored Intercollegiate Athletic Association). The CIAA may look very attractive to MEAC schools struggling with their budgets. They basically can cut athletic budgets in half, and reduce football scholarships as low as a dozen (a bit extreme, 25 is more reasonable). With enrollments dropping and funding primarily from student fees, this may be the more attractive move than the ASUN or Big South. NCCU could at least get back their rivalry with WSSU.
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RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members
When you are one Football school away from going on the two year countdown to losing your Div1 multi-sport and Tourney autobid status, every worry can seem like the biggest worry.

I am hoping that the ASUN Presidents told their Commissioner to put his "Big Vision" plans on the back burner for two or three years until things have settled down a bit.

If both Coppin State and UMES drop down, then it seems like the MEAC would have to "break the glass" and get on the phone to Chicago State, but if a Football school drops down, it's hard to see how they recover.
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RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members
Bruce,

Football schools like NC Central or SC State dropping down are the bigger concern. And these are the ones that can have the bigger savings by doing so. Football eats up 50% of the athletic budget.
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None of the northern conferences—Patriot, CAA, AmEast, and NEC need to add members right now and the Patriot and CAA are only fringe possibilities for Howard but even then it could still be a no go for the Bison. Howard would be a catch for the NEC so part of the reason they didn’t pull the trigger on Del St is that they were waiting and hoping to land Howard too.

I could see a move where:

Howard + Del St/Morgan St to NEC

Norfolk St + N.C. Central and/or SC St to ASUN

Everyone else to CIAA.
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(06-30-2020 05:09 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  None of the northern conferences—Patriot, CAA, AmEast, and NEC need to add members right now and the Patriot and CAA are only fringe possibilities for Howard but even then it could still be a no go for the Bison. Howard would be a catch for the NEC so part of the reason they didn’t pull the trigger on Del St is that they were waiting and hoping to land Howard too.

I could see a move where:

Howard + Del St/Morgan St to NEC

Norfolk St + N.C. Central and/or SC St to ASUN

Everyone else to CIAA.

If the NEC wanted either Delaware State or Morgan State, I think they'd already have been invited. I think DSU's expressed "commitment" today to the MEAC is just an indication that the NEC turned them down. Howard would certainly be a catch for the NEC, but Howard can do better. Since the MEAC situation has stabilized now at the bare minimum, they have another year to feel out more prestigious conferences than the NEC like the Patriot or CAA.

Regarding MEAC schools moving to the A-Sun, as someone mentioned earlier, there's quite possibly a mutual problem. I can see why HBCUs wouldn't want to be associated with Liberty, and I expect that Liberty in turn would object to associating with HBCUs. Liberty has to be a cancer for any conference. I can imagine that only bottom-feeder conferences like the A-Sun and Big South would be willing to tolerate them.
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(06-27-2020 11:39 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-27-2020 06:26 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I'm having a hard time seeing a path for continued existence for the MEAC. Let's say somehow they get Virginia State to move up. Then what? That still only puts them at 9 members overall, 7 for football. Every legacy member is going to still be looking for a way out. Howard should have a good shot at the CAA, Patriot, or at least the NEC. Del. State is looking at the NEC. Surely, Norfolk State, NCCU, and SC State are looking at the ASUN and/or the Big South. Why would any of that change if Va. State joins?

The open question here is whether any of those schools other than Howard has a ticket out of Dodge. If Norfolk State, NCCU and SC State are told, "sure, as part of the UAC deal, otherwise no", and the UAC deal never comes together. If the NEC tells Delaware State "thanks, but no thanks".

It's one thing to be looking for another conference home (as many in the WAC would be doing if there was another conference that would take them). That doesn't guarantee there is one.

If you go to play "fix it or flip it" and go to the market and find that there isn't anyone on the market to buy, that kind of focuses the mind on the fix it option.

Which is why we are waiting for news Monday or Tuesday with bated breath ... if there is a stay of execution right now, and a set of six MEAC schools come out of it finding that it's MEAC or D2, that's a set of six schools with a much stronger incentive to try to make the MEAC work.

I don't see the MEAC being able to maintain FCS status. I see the conference dropping down to DII in 2021. At that point it depends on how many D2 schools in the Mid Atlantic region drop their football programs. Either MEAC poaches or gets poached.
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Wild idea that probably violates NCAA FCS rules:

A scheduling alliance between the 12 SWAC schools and the 6 MEAC FB schools

SWAC goes to 3 divisions:

West-PVAMU, Texas So, Southern, Grambling
Central-UAPB, Miss Valley St, Jackson St, Alcott St
East-Alabama A&M, Alabama St, FAMU, B-C

West champ plays Central Champ in NO
East champ plays MEAC Champ in ATL
Winners advance to HBCU Nat’l Championship/Celebration Bowl
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(06-30-2020 05:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Wild idea that probably violates NCAA FCS rules:

A scheduling alliance between the 12 SWAC schools and the 6 MEAC FB schools

SWAC goes to 3 divisions:

West-PVAMU, Texas So, Southern, Grambling
Central-UAPB, Miss Valley St, Jackson St, Alcott St
East-Alabama A&M, Alabama St, FAMU, B-C

West champ plays Central Champ in NO
East champ plays MEAC Champ in ATL
Winners advance to HBCU Nat’l Championship/Celebration Bowl

That's actually not a terrible idea.
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(06-30-2020 05:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Wild idea that probably violates NCAA FCS rules:

A scheduling alliance between the 12 SWAC schools and the 6 MEAC FB schools

SWAC goes to 3 divisions:

West-PVAMU, Texas So, Southern, Grambling
Central-UAPB, Miss Valley St, Jackson St, Alcott St
East-Alabama A&M, Alabama St, FAMU, B-C

West champ plays Central Champ in NO
East champ plays MEAC Champ in ATL
Winners advance to HBCU Nat’l Championship/Celebration Bowl

The SWAC currently plays a CCG followed by the Celebration Bowl.

This would involve the same amount of games. Not sure if divisional rules would allow it, but nothing about FCS would preclude it.
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(06-30-2020 05:41 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(06-27-2020 11:39 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-27-2020 06:26 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I'm having a hard time seeing a path for continued existence for the MEAC. Let's say somehow they get Virginia State to move up. Then what? That still only puts them at 9 members overall, 7 for football. Every legacy member is going to still be looking for a way out. Howard should have a good shot at the CAA, Patriot, or at least the NEC. Del. State is looking at the NEC. Surely, Norfolk State, NCCU, and SC State are looking at the ASUN and/or the Big South. Why would any of that change if Va. State joins?

The open question here is whether any of those schools other than Howard has a ticket out of Dodge. If Norfolk State, NCCU and SC State are told, "sure, as part of the UAC deal, otherwise no", and the UAC deal never comes together. If the NEC tells Delaware State "thanks, but no thanks".

It's one thing to be looking for another conference home (as many in the WAC would be doing if there was another conference that would take them). That doesn't guarantee there is one.

If you go to play "fix it or flip it" and go to the market and find that there isn't anyone on the market to buy, that kind of focuses the mind on the fix it option.

Which is why we are waiting for news Monday or Tuesday with bated breath ... if there is a stay of execution right now, and a set of six MEAC schools come out of it finding that it's MEAC or D2, that's a set of six schools with a much stronger incentive to try to make the MEAC work.

I don't see the MEAC being able to maintain FCS status. I see the conference dropping down to DII in 2021. At that point it depends on how many D2 schools in the Mid Atlantic region drop their football programs. Either MEAC poaches or gets poached.

The MEAC itself won’t drop down to DII - not with NCAA Tourney credits - but individual programs might drop to the CIAA.
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RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members
(06-30-2020 05:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Wild idea that probably violates NCAA FCS rules:

A scheduling alliance between the 12 SWAC schools and the 6 MEAC FB schools

SWAC goes to 3 divisions:

West-PVAMU, Texas So, Southern, Grambling
Central-UAPB, Miss Valley St, Jackson St, Alcott St
East-Alabama A&M, Alabama St, FAMU, B-C

West champ plays Central Champ in NO
East champ plays MEAC Champ in ATL
Winners advance to HBCU Nat’l Championship/Celebration Bowl

At that point, why not have the MEAC drop football and its members become a division in the SWAC? Four division winners play in the semis, then the Celebration Bowl for the title. The MEAC could still theoretically exist as a non-football conference, though they'd have to come up with a way to meet the D1 sport-sponsorship requirements without football.
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