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This is the major reason for the AAC to be P6 (P5). In that case the conference champion would always have a good chance at an 8 team playoff position.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
You are all over the place. If we are P6 it would be the 6 conference winners and 2 wildcards, so we would be in. In a poll among AD's, most said that they favoured an 8 team playoff with the top G5 getting an auto bid. How are you concluding that it has to be 12 or 16 teams?
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(06-25-2020 09:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  You are all over the place. If we are P6 it would be the 6 conference winners and 2 wildcards, so we would be in. In a poll among AD's, most said that they favoured an 8 team playoff with the top G5 getting an auto bid. How are you concluding that it has to be 12 or 16 teams?

That is still just one team from 5 different leagues. It needs to be AAC only. We’ve proven that in any year at least one team from the AAC deserves consideration for a playoff slot.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
The only fair system is each conference being represented. It'll never happen, but it's the only way every team has a chance, no matter how small. As it is right now, we still have a 0% chance of getting in the playoffs no matter how good our season is.
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(06-25-2020 10:57 PM)yakko Wrote:  The only fair system is each conference being represented. It'll never happen, but it's the only way every team has a chance, no matter how small. As it is right now, we still have a 0% chance of getting in the playoffs no matter how good our season is.

And it's not hard to do. 9 FBS conferences (AAC, ACC, Big12, Big10, CUSA, MAC, PAC12, SEC, Sunbelt). Independents make 10.

Have a 12 team tournament with 1st round bye for top 4 teams. A top 4 seed would play 3 games to win it all. Bottom 8 would play max of 4 games. Easy

Money is the root cause for our current set-up. But wouldn't more games = more money? Apparently that money wouldn't be in the right hands. Get the SEC and ESPN to buy-in and IT'S ON!
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
If the playoff goes to 8, we'll likely have the same chance we have now for the NY6 - be the highest ranking G5 (but dropping the champion requirement of the NY6 to remain consistent with the current playoff rules where the teams don't have to be a conference champ). If the playoff goes to 12, our chances may not change because it still would not guarantee all D1 conference champs a slot. Going to 16, which is very unlikely, would probably guarantee all D1 champs.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(06-26-2020 07:51 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If the playoff goes to 8, we'll likely have the same chance we have now for the NY6 - be the highest ranking G5 (but dropping the champion requirement of the NY6 to remain consistent with the current playoff rules where the teams don't have to be a conference champ). If the playoff goes to 12, our chances may not change because it still would not guarantee all D1 conference champs a slot. Going to 16, which is very unlikely, would probably guarantee all D1 champs.

If they go to 8, the G5 will 100% have a participant every year. It will be written into the contract.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(06-26-2020 07:41 AM)gusrob Wrote:  And it's not hard to do. 9 FBS conferences (AAC, ACC, Big12, Big10, CUSA, MAC, PAC12, SEC, Sunbelt). Independents make 10.

Have a 12 team tournament with 1st round bye for top 4 teams. A top 4 seed would play 3 games to win it all. Bottom 8 would play max of 4 games. Easy

Money is the root cause for our current set-up. But wouldn't more games = more money? Apparently that money wouldn't be in the right hands. Get the SEC and ESPN to buy-in and IT'S ON!

You left out the Mountain West. There are 10 FBS conferences.
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(06-25-2020 10:57 PM)yakko Wrote:  The only fair system is each conference being represented. It'll never happen, but it's the only way every team has a chance, no matter how small. As it is right now, we still have a 0% chance of getting in the playoffs no matter how good our season is.

That would be the most unfair thing since the invention of sports. *You would have 10X the number of players opting out of a 4 game tournament than there are now, you would have a ton of additional injuries that would have a good chance at weakening a heavy favourite. It would make no sense.

*Explanation exclusively for the benefit of Hernando Hills Tiger, who will call me on it, and who genuinely believes that I think you can golf in the IPF. I mean that a lot more players will choose not to play. I don't know how many more exactly.
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(06-25-2020 10:57 PM)yakko Wrote:  The only fair system is each conference being represented. It'll never happen, but it's the only way every team has a chance, no matter how small. As it is right now, we still have a 0% chance of getting in the playoffs no matter how good our season is.

And there's no way that the p5 would allow that to happen. You'd have to successfully argue that the top team from the MAC deserves a better shot at the championship than the second best team in the SEC. While I could see that argument for a conference like ours that is closer to the p5 than the remaining g5, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that the MAC champ is deserving.

I'm aware that's probably the same argument the P5 would use against us...
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(06-26-2020 11:17 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:57 PM)yakko Wrote:  The only fair system is each conference being represented. It'll never happen, but it's the only way every team has a chance, no matter how small. As it is right now, we still have a 0% chance of getting in the playoffs no matter how good our season is.

And there's no way that the p5 would allow that to happen. You'd have to successfully argue that the top team from the MAC deserves a better shot at the championship than the second best team in the SEC. While I could see that argument for a conference like ours that is closer to the p5 than the remaining g5, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that the MAC champ is deserving.

I'm aware that's probably the same argument the P5 would use against us...

Would the sunbelt champ have wanted to play against LSU? (assuming #1 plays #16). I don't know but I'd bet they (App State) are happy with there bowl win... LSU vs App state doesn't belong in a NC tourney. 8 Games is good enough IMHO.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
The champions & runner-ups of the P5 leagues were:

SEC: LSU & Georgia
PAC 10: Oregon & Utah
Big 12: Oklahoma & Baylor
ACC: Clemson & Virginia
Big 10: Ohio State & Wisconsin

I will agree that Memphis, UCF, or any of the past AAC champions are typically not on the same level as the P5 Champions. But, I will argue that the AAC champion would be competitive as the all the P5 runner-ups, with Georgia (and typically, the SEC #2 every year) being the exception. I would also argue that with a few exceptions, the other G5 champions would not typically be on the same levels as the 2nd place teams from the P5 leagues.

So, it doesn't seem fair that we have to duke it out with the CUSA champ for the right to go to the Peach Bowl. Keep the one New Yrs Day bowl per year access for the other G4's, and give the AAC champion access to be the Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Peach & Fiesta Bowls. The AAC champion may "sneak" its way into the playoffs every now & again, but really, we just want the right for our league champion to play in a major New Year's Day Bowl every year.
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(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

I would mind because that would imply the MWC and AAC are equals. I’d prefer we continue to pull away from them. #P6
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(06-26-2020 11:36 AM)ImaTiger Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 11:17 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:57 PM)yakko Wrote:  The only fair system is each conference being represented. It'll never happen, but it's the only way every team has a chance, no matter how small. As it is right now, we still have a 0% chance of getting in the playoffs no matter how good our season is.

And there's no way that the p5 would allow that to happen. You'd have to successfully argue that the top team from the MAC deserves a better shot at the championship than the second best team in the SEC. While I could see that argument for a conference like ours that is closer to the p5 than the remaining g5, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that the MAC champ is deserving.

I'm aware that's probably the same argument the P5 would use against us...

Would the sunbelt champ have wanted to play against LSU? (assuming #1 plays #16). I don't know but I'd bet they (App State) are happy with there bowl win... LSU vs App state doesn't belong in a NC tourney. 8 Games is good enough IMHO.

Does a Sunbelt team mind playing Duke or Kentucky in the Basketball tournament? There's money to be had for the games, and much more in Football than Basketball. Definitely more money than they'd make for their bowl game. For a lot of the lower ranked conferences it would be to get a check and using the exposure for recruiting.
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(06-26-2020 01:54 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

I would mind because that would imply the MWC and AAC are equals. I’d prefer we continue to pull away from them. #P6

It wouldn't imply that for long, when the AAC takes the spot 9 out of 10 years.
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(06-26-2020 02:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 01:54 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

I would mind because that would imply the MWC and AAC are equals. I’d prefer we continue to pull away from them. #P6

It wouldn't imply that for long, when the AAC takes the spot 9 out of 10 years.

I'm not sure when the "access bowl" arrangement came to be, but when you look at the final BCS polls over the past 15 years, Boise was the highest "non-P5" finisher with 6. UCF is 2nd (3), BYU (2), and Memphis, Western Michigan & Houston with 1 each. There was no non-P5 team in the BCS top 25 in 2005. Before 2005, Louisville had a couple of high finishes as the CUSA champ. During part of that time, it was the "P6", as the Big East was in the mix until sometime around 2013.

The AAC has been the dominant G5 conference over the past 5 yrs, with 4 of the 5 "access bowl" slots earned. Also in the AAC's favor is that we've had 3 different teams get the access bowl slot (Memphis, UCF & Houston), while the MWC can only claim Boise. No other MWC team has come close to even sniffing an access bowl slot.

Football dominance at the G5 level appears to be somewhat cyclical, so the AAC needs to take advantage of its current position as the strongest G5 league before one of the other leagues gets a team on a "hot streak" to claim a access bowl berth or two during the next 5 years. Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston & UCF need to keep winning, beating P5's, building their programs, and complaining loudly about how the AAC deserves to have a seat at the grown-ups table, not the kid's table.
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(06-25-2020 09:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  You are all over the place. If we are P6 it would be the 6 conference winners and 2 wildcards, so we would be in. In a poll among AD's, most said that they favoured an 8 team playoff with the top G5 getting an auto bid. How are you concluding that it has to be 12 or 16 teams?

I guess I didn't make myself clear enough for you. With a P5 system there would be 5 automatic qualifiers for an 8 team invitational tournament and 3 at large teams from the P5. No G5 team would be invited so we would need a 12 to 16 team tournament to get the AAC in. If there is a P6 then yes there would be 6 automatic qualifiers and the AAC would be in. Clear enough for you?

Oops there are no guaranteed conference champion invites now and there probably won't be if they go to 8 teams they will all be at large invites. 8 is just more money for the P5. Unless the AAC is considered P6 by the NCAA and there are six automatic conference champion bids, the AAC will be shut out. You have to hope for 8, 6 auto bids, and AAC P6. Otherwise we will still be on here complaining about the unfairness of it all, and most of you will not see how unfair it is to any other conference but the AAC.

Just face it college football is just not the AMERICAN WAY (liberty and justice for all), but then again not much in this country is.
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(06-29-2020 07:19 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  You are all over the place. If we are P6 it would be the 6 conference winners and 2 wildcards, so we would be in. In a poll among AD's, most said that they favoured an 8 team playoff with the top G5 getting an auto bid. How are you concluding that it has to be 12 or 16 teams?

I guess I didn't make myself clear enough for you. With a P5 system there would be 5 automatic qualifiers for an 8 team invitational tournament and 3 at large teams from the P5. No G5 team would be invited so we would need a 12 to 16 team tournament to get the AAC in. If there is a P6 then yes there would be 6 automatic qualifiers and the AAC would be in. Clear enough for you?

Oops there are no guaranteed conference champion invites now and there probably won't be if they go to 8 teams they will all be at large invites. 8 is just more money for the P5. Unless the AAC is considered P6 by the NCAA and there are six automatic conference champion bids, the AAC will be shut out. You have to hope for 8, 6 auto bids, and AAC P6. Otherwise we will still be on here complaining about the unfairness of it all, and most of you will not see how unfair it is to any other conference but the AAC.

Just face it college football is just not the AMERICAN WAY (liberty and justice for all), but then again not much in this country is.

You were clear, but I guess I didn't make myself clear enough for you; which is that your post makes no sense. If they go to 8, there will be 1 non P5 auto bid. There is almost nobody in favour of a 12 team playoff and exactly nobody in favour of a 16 team playoff. Nobody is talking about 12 or 16 teams right now. Both options would be ridiculous.

Here is the survey.

AD's In Favour of 8 Team Playoff, G5 Autobid

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