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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(06-26-2020 07:41 AM)gusrob Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:57 PM)yakko Wrote:  The only fair system is each conference being represented. It'll never happen, but it's the only way every team has a chance, no matter how small. As it is right now, we still have a 0% chance of getting in the playoffs no matter how good our season is.

And it's not hard to do. 9 FBS conferences (AAC, ACC, Big12, Big10, CUSA, MAC, PAC12, SEC, Sunbelt). Independents make 10.

Have a 12 team tournament with 1st round bye for top 4 teams. A top 4 seed would play 3 games to win it all. Bottom 8 would play max of 4 games. Easy

Money is the root cause for our current set-up. But wouldn't more games = more money? Apparently that money wouldn't be in the right hands. Get the SEC and ESPN to buy-in and IT'S ON!

The current system has NOTHING to do with making the most money, it has everything to do with the P5 controlling the system and maintaining their dominance in the amount of money.

For instance IF a company Guaranteed $100million to every NCAA team if there were a 16 team playoff. The P5 would rail against the "longer season " and vote no they would stand on principle !


The principle of them getting more than us :(
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(06-30-2020 07:55 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 07:41 AM)gusrob Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:57 PM)yakko Wrote:  The only fair system is each conference being represented. It'll never happen, but it's the only way every team has a chance, no matter how small. As it is right now, we still have a 0% chance of getting in the playoffs no matter how good our season is.

And it's not hard to do. 9 FBS conferences (AAC, ACC, Big12, Big10, CUSA, MAC, PAC12, SEC, Sunbelt). Independents make 10.

Have a 12 team tournament with 1st round bye for top 4 teams. A top 4 seed would play 3 games to win it all. Bottom 8 would play max of 4 games. Easy

Money is the root cause for our current set-up. But wouldn't more games = more money? Apparently that money wouldn't be in the right hands. Get the SEC and ESPN to buy-in and IT'S ON!

The current system has NOTHING to do with making the most money, it has everything to do with the P5 controlling the system and maintaining their dominance in the amount of money.

For instance IF a company Guaranteed $100million to every NCAA team if there were a 16 team playoff. The P5 would rail against the "longer season " and vote no they would stand on principle !


The principle of them getting more than us :(

This is it.
Everything is relative.
They will allow us to have $5M as long as they get $25M.
If we both get $50M, then that's a deal breaker.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(06-26-2020 01:54 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

I would mind because that would imply the MWC and AAC are equals. I’d prefer we continue to pull away from them. #P6

The whole idea of competitive sports is to settle who's best thru competition. You're using the P5 argument of avoidance in preference for waving a small flag to say which midget is tallest. This puts selection in the hands of the biased rather than competition. And ironically, it's competition we push for when we're want the opportunity to compete up. We should always be for competition to settle who is best, especially if we remain on the outside looking up.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(07-01-2020 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 01:54 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

I would mind because that would imply the MWC and AAC are equals. I’d prefer we continue to pull away from them. #P6

The whole idea of competitive sports is to settle who's best thru competition. You're using the P5 argument of avoidance in preference for waving a small flag to say which midget is tallest. This puts selection in the hands of the biased rather than competition. And ironically, it's competition we push for when we're want the opportunity to compete up. We should always be for competition to settle who is best, especially if we remain on the outside looking up.

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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(06-29-2020 08:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 07:19 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  You are all over the place. If we are P6 it would be the 6 conference winners and 2 wildcards, so we would be in. In a poll among AD's, most said that they favoured an 8 team playoff with the top G5 getting an auto bid. How are you concluding that it has to be 12 or 16 teams?

I guess I didn't make myself clear enough for you. With a P5 system there would be 5 automatic qualifiers for an 8 team invitational tournament and 3 at large teams from the P5. No G5 team would be invited so we would need a 12 to 16 team tournament to get the AAC in. If there is a P6 then yes there would be 6 automatic qualifiers and the AAC would be in. Clear enough for you?

Oops there are no guaranteed conference champion invites now and there probably won't be if they go to 8 teams they will all be at large invites. 8 is just more money for the P5. Unless the AAC is considered P6 by the NCAA and there are six automatic conference champion bids, the AAC will be shut out. You have to hope for 8, 6 auto bids, and AAC P6. Otherwise we will still be on here complaining about the unfairness of it all, and most of you will not see how unfair it is to any other conference but the AAC.

Just face it college football is just not the AMERICAN WAY (liberty and justice for all), but then again not much in this country is.

You were clear, but I guess I didn't make myself clear enough for you; which is that your post makes no sense. If they go to 8, there will be 1 non P5 auto bid. There is almost nobody in favour of a 12 team playoff and exactly nobody in favour of a 16 team playoff. Nobody is talking about 12 or 16 teams right now. Both options would be ridiculous.

Here is the survey.

AD's In Favour of 8 Team Playoff, G5 Autobid

Clear enough for you?

If you believe the P5 would guarantee a G5 automatic bid you haven't been paying attention. The Tigers played in the Cotton Bowl last year yet they weren't ranked in the top 12 teams in the country. That is why the P5 would not have to give anyone an automatic qualifier they control the conversation. Aided and abetted by the talking heads of course. Even if the AAC became part of a P6 conference format there probably would never be automatic qualifiers. Those who control college football do not want Conference Championships to matter, and they like to keep everything hypothetical by insisting on the mystical.

Your post of course cites a poll that has no weight, just like your comprehension. Clear enough for you?
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(07-01-2020 01:08 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 08:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 07:19 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  You are all over the place. If we are P6 it would be the 6 conference winners and 2 wildcards, so we would be in. In a poll among AD's, most said that they favoured an 8 team playoff with the top G5 getting an auto bid. How are you concluding that it has to be 12 or 16 teams?

I guess I didn't make myself clear enough for you. With a P5 system there would be 5 automatic qualifiers for an 8 team invitational tournament and 3 at large teams from the P5. No G5 team would be invited so we would need a 12 to 16 team tournament to get the AAC in. If there is a P6 then yes there would be 6 automatic qualifiers and the AAC would be in. Clear enough for you?

Oops there are no guaranteed conference champion invites now and there probably won't be if they go to 8 teams they will all be at large invites. 8 is just more money for the P5. Unless the AAC is considered P6 by the NCAA and there are six automatic conference champion bids, the AAC will be shut out. You have to hope for 8, 6 auto bids, and AAC P6. Otherwise we will still be on here complaining about the unfairness of it all, and most of you will not see how unfair it is to any other conference but the AAC.

Just face it college football is just not the AMERICAN WAY (liberty and justice for all), but then again not much in this country is.

You were clear, but I guess I didn't make myself clear enough for you; which is that your post makes no sense. If they go to 8, there will be 1 non P5 auto bid. There is almost nobody in favour of a 12 team playoff and exactly nobody in favour of a 16 team playoff. Nobody is talking about 12 or 16 teams right now. Both options would be ridiculous.

Here is the survey.

AD's In Favour of 8 Team Playoff, G5 Autobid

Clear enough for you?

If you believe the P5 would guarantee a G5 automatic bid you haven't been paying attention. The Tigers played in the Cotton Bowl last year yet they weren't ranked in the top 12 teams in the country. That is why the P5 would not have to give anyone an automatic qualifier they control the conversation. Aided and abetted by the talking heads of course. Even if the AAC became part of a P6 conference format there probably would never be automatic qualifiers. Those who control college football do not want Conference Championships to matter, and they like to keep everything hypothetical by insisting on the mystical.

Your post of course cites a poll that has no weight, just like your comprehension. Clear enough for you?

Quote:If you believe the P5 would guarantee a G5 automatic bid you haven't been paying attention.

The exact opposite is true specifically because I have been paying attention. My source is a poll where over 100 AD's were surveyed, reported by everyone; which is 100X more valid than your dumb argument, which is based on nothing but your dumb opinion.

Poll with over 100 AD's surveyed - supposedly not valid
Internet weirdo saying it won't happen - valid

Quote:They have plenty of supporters, too. Even a sitting CFP committee member believes the playoff should expand to include the best G5 squad. “I’ve often thought that the best situation would be an eight-team playoff,” says former Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer, on his last year of a three-year appointment to the committee. “I say that from the standpoint of taking the conference champions—they’re automatically in—one from the Group of Five and a couple at-large..."

Just for fun, show me a link where any AD, any president of any university is surveyed or is saying that there will be no G5 participation in an 8 team playoff.

Take your time Jethro.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(07-01-2020 02:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 01:08 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 08:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 07:19 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  You are all over the place. If we are P6 it would be the 6 conference winners and 2 wildcards, so we would be in. In a poll among AD's, most said that they favoured an 8 team playoff with the top G5 getting an auto bid. How are you concluding that it has to be 12 or 16 teams?

I guess I didn't make myself clear enough for you. With a P5 system there would be 5 automatic qualifiers for an 8 team invitational tournament and 3 at large teams from the P5. No G5 team would be invited so we would need a 12 to 16 team tournament to get the AAC in. If there is a P6 then yes there would be 6 automatic qualifiers and the AAC would be in. Clear enough for you?

Oops there are no guaranteed conference champion invites now and there probably won't be if they go to 8 teams they will all be at large invites. 8 is just more money for the P5. Unless the AAC is considered P6 by the NCAA and there are six automatic conference champion bids, the AAC will be shut out. You have to hope for 8, 6 auto bids, and AAC P6. Otherwise we will still be on here complaining about the unfairness of it all, and most of you will not see how unfair it is to any other conference but the AAC.

Just face it college football is just not the AMERICAN WAY (liberty and justice for all), but then again not much in this country is.

You were clear, but I guess I didn't make myself clear enough for you; which is that your post makes no sense. If they go to 8, there will be 1 non P5 auto bid. There is almost nobody in favour of a 12 team playoff and exactly nobody in favour of a 16 team playoff. Nobody is talking about 12 or 16 teams right now. Both options would be ridiculous.

Here is the survey.

AD's In Favour of 8 Team Playoff, G5 Autobid

Clear enough for you?

If you believe the P5 would guarantee a G5 automatic bid you haven't been paying attention. The Tigers played in the Cotton Bowl last year yet they weren't ranked in the top 12 teams in the country. That is why the P5 would not have to give anyone an automatic qualifier they control the conversation. Aided and abetted by the talking heads of course. Even if the AAC became part of a P6 conference format there probably would never be automatic qualifiers. Those who control college football do not want Conference Championships to matter, and they like to keep everything hypothetical by insisting on the mystical.

Your post of course cites a poll that has no weight, just like your comprehension. Clear enough for you?

Quote:If you believe the P5 would guarantee a G5 automatic bid you haven't been paying attention.

The exact opposite is true specifically because I have been paying attention. My source is a poll where over 100 AD's were surveyed, reported by everyone; which is 100X more valid than your dumb argument, which is based on nothing but your dumb opinion.

Poll with over 100 AD's surveyed - supposedly not valid
Internet weirdo saying it won't happen - valid

Quote:They have plenty of supporters, too. Even a sitting CFP committee member believes the playoff should expand to include the best G5 squad. “I’ve often thought that the best situation would be an eight-team playoff,” says former Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer, on his last year of a three-year appointment to the committee. “I say that from the standpoint of taking the conference champions—they’re automatically in—one from the Group of Five and a couple at-large..."

Just for fun, show me a link where any AD, any president of any university is surveyed or is saying that there will be no G5 participation in an 8 team playoff.

Take your time Jethro.

"What we have here is a failure to communicate" You go right ahead and believe this poll will determine what actually happens. Yes Stamina, there is a Santa Clause.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(07-01-2020 02:34 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 02:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 01:08 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 08:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-29-2020 07:19 PM)Keeper Wrote:  I guess I didn't make myself clear enough for you. With a P5 system there would be 5 automatic qualifiers for an 8 team invitational tournament and 3 at large teams from the P5. No G5 team would be invited so we would need a 12 to 16 team tournament to get the AAC in. If there is a P6 then yes there would be 6 automatic qualifiers and the AAC would be in. Clear enough for you?

Oops there are no guaranteed conference champion invites now and there probably won't be if they go to 8 teams they will all be at large invites. 8 is just more money for the P5. Unless the AAC is considered P6 by the NCAA and there are six automatic conference champion bids, the AAC will be shut out. You have to hope for 8, 6 auto bids, and AAC P6. Otherwise we will still be on here complaining about the unfairness of it all, and most of you will not see how unfair it is to any other conference but the AAC.

Just face it college football is just not the AMERICAN WAY (liberty and justice for all), but then again not much in this country is.

You were clear, but I guess I didn't make myself clear enough for you; which is that your post makes no sense. If they go to 8, there will be 1 non P5 auto bid. There is almost nobody in favour of a 12 team playoff and exactly nobody in favour of a 16 team playoff. Nobody is talking about 12 or 16 teams right now. Both options would be ridiculous.

Here is the survey.

AD's In Favour of 8 Team Playoff, G5 Autobid

Clear enough for you?

If you believe the P5 would guarantee a G5 automatic bid you haven't been paying attention. The Tigers played in the Cotton Bowl last year yet they weren't ranked in the top 12 teams in the country. That is why the P5 would not have to give anyone an automatic qualifier they control the conversation. Aided and abetted by the talking heads of course. Even if the AAC became part of a P6 conference format there probably would never be automatic qualifiers. Those who control college football do not want Conference Championships to matter, and they like to keep everything hypothetical by insisting on the mystical.

Your post of course cites a poll that has no weight, just like your comprehension. Clear enough for you?

Quote:If you believe the P5 would guarantee a G5 automatic bid you haven't been paying attention.

The exact opposite is true specifically because I have been paying attention. My source is a poll where over 100 AD's were surveyed, reported by everyone; which is 100X more valid than your dumb argument, which is based on nothing but your dumb opinion.

Poll with over 100 AD's surveyed - supposedly not valid
Internet weirdo saying it won't happen - valid

Quote:They have plenty of supporters, too. Even a sitting CFP committee member believes the playoff should expand to include the best G5 squad. “I’ve often thought that the best situation would be an eight-team playoff,” says former Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer, on his last year of a three-year appointment to the committee. “I say that from the standpoint of taking the conference champions—they’re automatically in—one from the Group of Five and a couple at-large..."

Just for fun, show me a link where any AD, any president of any university is surveyed or is saying that there will be no G5 participation in an 8 team playoff.

Take your time Jethro.

"What we have here is a failure to communicate" You go right ahead and believe this poll will determine what actually happens. Yes Stamina, there is a Santa Clause.

Opinion A
- Based on a survey taken by 112 AD's.
- 66% favour a G5 auto qualifier
- 8% don't
- A direct quote from a sitting CFP committee member in favour of a G5 participant
- Houston was ranked as high as #6 in 2016, they wouldn't get into an 8 team playoff if they stayed there?
- UCF was ranked #8 to end the 2018 season. They wouldn't get into an 8 team playoff?

Opinion B
- Internet weirdo saying it won't happen "because I said so."
- You are arguing (incredibly) that an 8 team playoff would ban a non P5 team ranked in the top 8
- The only hope is Santa Claus

There isn't a failure to communicate at all. Both arguments are very clear.
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Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
I’m of the opinion that if only the top 8 were included, they would find a way to keep G5 teams out of the top 8. The only reason G5 teams were allowed to rise so high is because they knew they wouldn’t make it to the playoff.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(07-01-2020 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 01:54 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

I would mind because that would imply the MWC and AAC are equals. I’d prefer we continue to pull away from them. #P6

The whole idea of competitive sports is to settle who's best thru competition. You're using the P5 argument of avoidance in preference for waving a small flag to say which midget is tallest. This puts selection in the hands of the biased rather than competition. And ironically, it's competition we push for when we're want the opportunity to compete up. We should always be for competition to settle who is best, especially if we remain on the outside looking up.

You also have to be practical and to be a realist. What is involved when you have 68 teams instead of 16 teams in the NCAA Tournament?

BASKETBALL
- 2 extra games played over a period of 10 days, which is less strenuous than the regular season.
- A 40 game season, whereas NBA players play an 82 game season
- There are almost no injuries in basketball.
- Massive revenue from the extra 48 games

FOOTBALL 16 TEAM PLAYOFF
- Likelihood of many more injuries
- 17 game schedule for 2 teams
- 16 game schedule for 4 teams
- 15 game schedule for 8 teams
- 14 game schedule for 16 teams
- Exponentially more players opting out
- Devaluation of many top bowl games
- Possible elimination of CCG which are huge money makers
- Teams 9-16 would have little chance of winning 1 game, even less of winning 2 games
- Players opting out would weaken the stronger teams, cripple teams 9-16.
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(07-01-2020 02:53 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  I’m of the opinion that if only the top 8 were included, they would find a way to keep G5 teams out of the top 8. The only reason G5 teams were allowed to rise so high is because they knew they wouldn’t make it to the playoff.

Teams well outside of the top 12 have made the NY6 bowls, including us last season. At best, the G5 would deserve the spot; at worst they would become almost a bye week for the #1 seed.

2019
Memphis #17 with 1 loss, #8 Wisconsin with 3 losses

2018
UCF #8 with 0 losses. #9-13, 3 plus losses

2017
#12 UCF with 0 losses, #8-11, 2 plus losses

2016
#16 Western Michigan 0 losses, #8-12, 3 plus losses

2015
#18 Houston with 1 loss, #8-17, 2 plus losses

You never know, but again, you have the survey in favour of it along with Beamer being in favour of it. Plus, with the emergence of the AAC it takes the guesswork out of it. Last but not least, you should never have an undefeated team totally left out, even if it's Western Michigan and especially if it's UCF or anyone from the AAC. Our schedules are more difficult than the ACC and PAC12 schedules.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(07-01-2020 03:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 01:54 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

I would mind because that would imply the MWC and AAC are equals. I’d prefer we continue to pull away from them. #P6

The whole idea of competitive sports is to settle who's best thru competition. You're using the P5 argument of avoidance in preference for waving a small flag to say which midget is tallest. This puts selection in the hands of the biased rather than competition. And ironically, it's competition we push for when we're want the opportunity to compete up. We should always be for competition to settle who is best, especially if we remain on the outside looking up.

You also have to be practical and to be a realist. What is involved when you have 68 teams instead of 16 teams in the NCAA Tournament?

BASKETBALL
- 2 extra games played over a period of 10 days, which is less strenuous than the regular season.
- A 40 game season, whereas NBA players play an 82 game season
- There are almost no injuries in basketball.
- Massive revenue from the extra 48 games

FOOTBALL 16 TEAM PLAYOFF
- Likelihood of many more injuries
- 17 game schedule for 2 teams
- 16 game schedule for 4 teams
- 15 game schedule for 8 teams
- 14 game schedule for 16 teams
- Exponentially more players opting out
- Devaluation of many top bowl games
- Possible elimination of CCG which are huge money makers
- Teams 9-16 would have little chance of winning 1 game, even less of winning 2 games
- Players opting out would weaken the stronger teams, cripple teams 9-16.

---Hardly any will opt out-----its the national playoffs
---who would care about bowl games--other than betting--they become like NIT
---CCG--doubtful for eliminations
---9-16 on chance of winning --who cares--a chance is all they want--stated our US hockey team against Russia,,,/UCF/MEMPHIS/BALBOA/NAMATH/JIMMY CHITWOOD
---again hardly any opt out
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

Uhhh... That's what they have NOW. There are NO auto-bids into the playoff. You can argue that there is a de facto auto-bid for the SEC... and that's about it. Every other P5 conference has either been in danger of, or ACTUALLY have been left out of the playoff each year.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(07-01-2020 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
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(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

I would mind because that would imply the MWC and AAC are equals. I’d prefer we continue to pull away from them. #P6

The whole idea of competitive sports is to settle who's best thru competition. You're using the P5 argument of avoidance in preference for waving a small flag to say which midget is tallest. This puts selection in the hands of the biased rather than competition. And ironically, it's competition we push for when we're want the opportunity to compete up. We should always be for competition to settle who is best, especially if we remain on the outside looking up.

No, I think which midget is tallest is already being settled on the field.

2019/20 RPI Rankings
1) SEC
2) Big Ten
3) Big 12
4) American Athletic
5) PAC 12
6) Atlantic Coast
7) Mountain West

The Gof5 label is something made up by -no one seems to know- and the media ran with it. The AAC shuns this label and I’m with them. Forming an alliance with the MWC would seem be a step backwards. Like “okay, fine”.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(07-01-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 03:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 01:54 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

I would mind because that would imply the MWC and AAC are equals. I’d prefer we continue to pull away from them. #P6

The whole idea of competitive sports is to settle who's best thru competition. You're using the P5 argument of avoidance in preference for waving a small flag to say which midget is tallest. This puts selection in the hands of the biased rather than competition. And ironically, it's competition we push for when we're want the opportunity to compete up. We should always be for competition to settle who is best, especially if we remain on the outside looking up.

You also have to be practical and to be a realist. What is involved when you have 68 teams instead of 16 teams in the NCAA Tournament?

BASKETBALL
- 2 extra games played over a period of 10 days, which is less strenuous than the regular season.
- A 40 game season, whereas NBA players play an 82 game season
- There are almost no injuries in basketball.
- Massive revenue from the extra 48 games

FOOTBALL 16 TEAM PLAYOFF
- Likelihood of many more injuries
- 17 game schedule for 2 teams
- 16 game schedule for 4 teams
- 15 game schedule for 8 teams
- 14 game schedule for 16 teams
- Exponentially more players opting out
- Devaluation of many top bowl games
- Possible elimination of CCG which are huge money makers
- Teams 9-16 would have little chance of winning 1 game, even less of winning 2 games
- Players opting out would weaken the stronger teams, cripple teams 9-16.

---Hardly any will opt out-----its the national playoffs
---who would care about bowl games--other than betting--they become like NIT
---CCG--doubtful for eliminations
---9-16 on chance of winning --who cares--a chance is all they want--stated our US hockey team against Russia,,,/UCF/MEMPHIS/BALBOA/NAMATH/JIMMY CHITWOOD
---again hardly any opt out

Quote:---Hardly any will opt out-----its the national playoffs
Most of the first 2 rounds will drop out, especially teams lower than a #2 seed. Also, the players that do play will NOT want to play 4 more games; no chance in hell.

Quote:---who would care about bowl games--other than betting--they become like NIT
That is a very tough question to answer (said nobody ever from any network in the history of college football). The networks make a ton of money by televising bowl game.

Quote:---CCG--doubtful for eliminations
I will need this translated in order to answer

Quote:---9-16 on chance of winning --who cares--a chance is all they want--stated our US hockey team against
A player who is going to be picked in the 1st or 2nd round is more than likely not going to risk injury and a beatdown; much more so than we see today.

Quote:Russia,,,/UCF/MEMPHIS/BALBOA/NAMATH/JIMMY CHITWOOD
In the NCAA Tournament, every team or close to every team in the top 40 of the rankings make the field. In your Russian Balboa version, the #10 team in the country doesn't make it.

Here is the breakdown by conference of what your 16 team acid trip would have looked like in 2019.

4 $SEC
3 Big Ten
2 Big 12
1 ACC
1 PAC12
1 AAC
1 MWC
1 CUSA
1 MAC
1 SUNBELT

I'm trying not to laugh, but c'mon man. Think it out a bit.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(07-01-2020 05:17 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 01:54 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

I would mind because that would imply the MWC and AAC are equals. I’d prefer we continue to pull away from them. #P6

The whole idea of competitive sports is to settle who's best thru competition. You're using the P5 argument of avoidance in preference for waving a small flag to say which midget is tallest. This puts selection in the hands of the biased rather than competition. And ironically, it's competition we push for when we're want the opportunity to compete up. We should always be for competition to settle who is best, especially if we remain on the outside looking up.

No, I think which midget is tallest is already being settled on the field.

2019/20 RPI Rankings
1) SEC
2) Big Ten
3) Big 12
4) American Athletic
5) PAC 12
6) Atlantic Coast
7) Mountain West

The Gof5 label is something made up by -no one seems to know- and the media ran with it. The AAC shuns this label and I’m with them. Forming an alliance with the MWC would seem be a step backwards. Like “okay, fine”.

When fans from both schools say that Memphis should play Boise, it makes perfect sense on the surface. The reality is that it is no good for Boise and especially no good for the AAC, at all.

Boise has a better shot at the NY6 bid by running the table in its weak conference, and their overall super weak schedule than playing and more than likely losing against a good AAC opponent. Playing us will more than likely be a loss, which will be more than enough to knock them out, like they have been for the last 5 years.

The AAC is so superior to the MWC, playing them and risking a loss would be devastating to the entire conference. A fluke Boise win would devalue all of the top tier of the conference.

The AAC doesn't need the headache.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(07-01-2020 05:21 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 03:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 01:54 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  I would mind because that would imply the MWC and AAC are equals. I’d prefer we continue to pull away from them. #P6

The whole idea of competitive sports is to settle who's best thru competition. You're using the P5 argument of avoidance in preference for waving a small flag to say which midget is tallest. This puts selection in the hands of the biased rather than competition. And ironically, it's competition we push for when we're want the opportunity to compete up. We should always be for competition to settle who is best, especially if we remain on the outside looking up.

You also have to be practical and to be a realist. What is involved when you have 68 teams instead of 16 teams in the NCAA Tournament?

BASKETBALL
- 2 extra games played over a period of 10 days, which is less strenuous than the regular season.
- A 40 game season, whereas NBA players play an 82 game season
- There are almost no injuries in basketball.
- Massive revenue from the extra 48 games

FOOTBALL 16 TEAM PLAYOFF
- Likelihood of many more injuries
- 17 game schedule for 2 teams
- 16 game schedule for 4 teams
- 15 game schedule for 8 teams
- 14 game schedule for 16 teams
- Exponentially more players opting out
- Devaluation of many top bowl games
- Possible elimination of CCG which are huge money makers
- Teams 9-16 would have little chance of winning 1 game, even less of winning 2 games
- Players opting out would weaken the stronger teams, cripple teams 9-16.

---Hardly any will opt out-----its the national playoffs
---who would care about bowl games--other than betting--they become like NIT
---CCG--doubtful for eliminations
---9-16 on chance of winning --who cares--a chance is all they want--stated our US hockey team against Russia,,,/UCF/MEMPHIS/BALBOA/NAMATH/JIMMY CHITWOOD
---again hardly any opt out

Quote:---Hardly any will opt out-----its the national playoffs
Most of the first 2 rounds will drop out, especially teams lower than a #2 seed. Also, the players that do play will NOT want to play 4 more games; no chance in hell.

Quote:---who would care about bowl games--other than betting--they become like NIT
That is a very tough question to answer (said nobody ever from any network in the history of college football). The networks make a ton of money by televising bowl game.

Quote:---CCG--doubtful for eliminations
I will need this translated in order to answer

Quote:---9-16 on chance of winning --who cares--a chance is all they want--stated our US hockey team against
A player who is going to be picked in the 1st or 2nd round is more than likely not going to risk injury and a beatdown; much more so than we see today.

Quote:Russia,,,/UCF/MEMPHIS/BALBOA/NAMATH/JIMMY CHITWOOD
In the NCAA Tournament, every team or close to every team in the top 40 of the rankings make the field. In your Russian Balboa version, the #10 team in the country doesn't make it.

Here is the breakdown by conference of what your 16 team acid trip would have looked like in 2019.

4 $SEC
3 Big Ten
2 Big 12
1 ACC
1 PAC12
1 AAC
1 MWC
1 CUSA
1 MAC
1 SUNBELT

I'm trying not to laugh, but c'mon man. Think it out a bit.

Translated---I doubt CCG are eliminated .

Who said anything about March madness----we were talking about FB playoffs. You always want to screw the little guy out of their chance. Teams like MEMPHIS/UCF/DAVIDvs GOLIATH/BALBOA vsCREED/USA hockey vs RUSSIA---you always want to leave out teams like LIL OLE MEMPHIS. Your logic is they dont have much of a chance----I say who cares---the point is "THEY WILL HAVE A CHANCE"---unlike now with ZERO chance. UCF should have been given the chance--they were screwed---then beat Auburn in a bowl----the same Auburn that had beaten the national champions Alabama that same season. Namath 18 point dogs---hockey team biggest dogs in sports history--the country that beat our dream team.NOBODY thought they had a chance.

What TIGER fan would care that MEMPHIS was a 30pt dog against Ohio St. Tiger fans would just take the points----then take the TIGERS on the ML----then beat their AZZ straight-up. I think all 9-16 teams fans would feel the same about their teams.

I still contend that FEW if any players sit in a true national playoff.
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RE: Playoff would have to go to 12 or 16 teams for a G5 team to even get a shot.
(07-01-2020 08:55 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 05:21 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 04:03 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 03:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 08:56 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  The whole idea of competitive sports is to settle who's best thru competition. You're using the P5 argument of avoidance in preference for waving a small flag to say which midget is tallest. This puts selection in the hands of the biased rather than competition. And ironically, it's competition we push for when we're want the opportunity to compete up. We should always be for competition to settle who is best, especially if we remain on the outside looking up.

You also have to be practical and to be a realist. What is involved when you have 68 teams instead of 16 teams in the NCAA Tournament?

BASKETBALL
- 2 extra games played over a period of 10 days, which is less strenuous than the regular season.
- A 40 game season, whereas NBA players play an 82 game season
- There are almost no injuries in basketball.
- Massive revenue from the extra 48 games

FOOTBALL 16 TEAM PLAYOFF
- Likelihood of many more injuries
- 17 game schedule for 2 teams
- 16 game schedule for 4 teams
- 15 game schedule for 8 teams
- 14 game schedule for 16 teams
- Exponentially more players opting out
- Devaluation of many top bowl games
- Possible elimination of CCG which are huge money makers
- Teams 9-16 would have little chance of winning 1 game, even less of winning 2 games
- Players opting out would weaken the stronger teams, cripple teams 9-16.

---Hardly any will opt out-----its the national playoffs
---who would care about bowl games--other than betting--they become like NIT
---CCG--doubtful for eliminations
---9-16 on chance of winning --who cares--a chance is all they want--stated our US hockey team against Russia,,,/UCF/MEMPHIS/BALBOA/NAMATH/JIMMY CHITWOOD
---again hardly any opt out

Quote:---Hardly any will opt out-----its the national playoffs
Most of the first 2 rounds will drop out, especially teams lower than a #2 seed. Also, the players that do play will NOT want to play 4 more games; no chance in hell.

Quote:---who would care about bowl games--other than betting--they become like NIT
That is a very tough question to answer (said nobody ever from any network in the history of college football). The networks make a ton of money by televising bowl game.

Quote:---CCG--doubtful for eliminations
I will need this translated in order to answer

Quote:---9-16 on chance of winning --who cares--a chance is all they want--stated our US hockey team against
A player who is going to be picked in the 1st or 2nd round is more than likely not going to risk injury and a beatdown; much more so than we see today.

Quote:Russia,,,/UCF/MEMPHIS/BALBOA/NAMATH/JIMMY CHITWOOD
In the NCAA Tournament, every team or close to every team in the top 40 of the rankings make the field. In your Russian Balboa version, the #10 team in the country doesn't make it.

Here is the breakdown by conference of what your 16 team acid trip would have looked like in 2019.

4 $SEC
3 Big Ten
2 Big 12
1 ACC
1 PAC12
1 AAC
1 MWC
1 CUSA
1 MAC
1 SUNBELT

I'm trying not to laugh, but c'mon man. Think it out a bit.

Translated---I doubt CCG are eliminated .

Who said anything about March madness----we were talking about FB playoffs. You always want to screw the little guy out of their chance. Teams like MEMPHIS/UCF/DAVIDvs GOLIATH/BALBOA vsCREED/USA hockey vs RUSSIA---you always want to leave out teams like LIL OLE MEMPHIS. Your logic is they dont have much of a chance----I say who cares---the point is "THEY WILL HAVE A CHANCE"---unlike now with ZERO chance. UCF should have been given the chance--they were screwed---then beat Auburn in a bowl----the same Auburn that had beaten the national champions Alabama that same season. Namath 18 point dogs---hockey team biggest dogs in sports history--the country that beat our dream team.NOBODY thought they had a chance.

What TIGER fan would care that MEMPHIS was a 30pt dog against Ohio St. Tiger fans would just take the points----then take the TIGERS on the ML----then beat their AZZ straight-up. I think all 9-16 teams fans would feel the same about their teams.

I still contend that FEW if any players sit in a true national playoff.

You can contend all you want. Common sense says that no players want any part of 4 more football games; especially any that are projected to go in the first 2 rounds. Henderson gave up a chance to play at home in the Liberty Bowl. Do you really think he would have wanted to play the #2 team in the country and then possibly play 3 more games?

Just to show you how badly thought out and lacking of common sense your idea is, transfer the system to basketball.

Memphis Tiger Basketball 1980-present
- 21 NCAA appearances
- 33 NCAA wins
- 2 Final Four
- 3 Elite 8
- 5 Sweet 16

Memphis Tiger Basketball Russia/Balboa/Chitwood Format 1980-present
- 10 NCAA appearances
- 22 NCAA wins
- 2 Final Four
- 2 Elite 8
- 4 Sweet 16
- ZERO NCAA appearances from 1988-2005 (18 years)

That is how fair it would be to let your once in a lifetime longshots into the College Football playoff.

You still haven't answered the question. Do you think this is fair?

4 $SEC
3 Big Ten
2 Big 12
1 ACC
1 PAC12
1 AAC
1 MWC
1 CUSA
1 MAC
1 SUNBELT

Do you think it is fair for the ACC, PAC12 and AAC to have LESS participants than the MWC, CUSA, MAC and SUNBELT?
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(07-01-2020 04:40 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

Uhhh... That's what they have NOW. There are NO auto-bids into the playoff. You can argue that there is a de facto auto-bid for the SEC... and that's about it. Every other P5 conference has either been in danger of, or ACTUALLY have been left out of the playoff each year.

I am familiar, lol.
I just didn't say it very well.
I meant that we and most everyone else keep talking about autobids if it expands to 8. And I'm afraid that the power$ will jerk that football away.
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(07-02-2020 02:39 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(07-01-2020 04:40 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(06-26-2020 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm fine with 8 teams with one guaranteed slot to the G5, 5 for the P5 winners, and 2 at large bids to the top 2 ranked other teams.

In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the MWC and the AAC create an alliance. Cross-scheduling 2 OOC games each year - one home and one away. Do away with our conference champ games. And replace it with a championship game between our 2 conference regular season champs. That would be the de facto play-in game for the CFP.

What I am afraid will happen is that WHEN they go to 8 teams, they will do away with auto-bids altogether and replace it with 8 at larges. That will be the way to cook the books on the rankings and continue to exclude the G5.

Uhhh... That's what they have NOW. There are NO auto-bids into the playoff. You can argue that there is a de facto auto-bid for the SEC... and that's about it. Every other P5 conference has either been in danger of, or ACTUALLY have been left out of the playoff each year.

I am familiar, lol.
I just didn't say it very well.
I meant that we and most everyone else keep talking about autobids if it expands to 8. And I'm afraid that the power$ will jerk that football away.

Doesn’t mean it won’t change, but the only proposal/justification for eight teams that I’ve seen to date includes both auto bids and a G5. Each P5 conference champion guaranteed a spot, the highest ranked G5 and two at-large teams.
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