(06-30-2020 10:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 09:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 08:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  "...the US may reach herd immunity before a vaccine. Apart from the human toll..."

Let me translate for you: So many people will get sick that there won't be enough healthy people left to sustain the virus. Of course, a large number of people will also die in the process.

Here's a news flash for you: there isn't going to be an effective covid-19 vaccine because there has never been an effective vaccine for any kind of coronavirus. Because of this we have two choices: kill some people building herd immunity or kill a hell of a lot more by destroying our entire economic system trying to protect citizens from this virus. Take your pick.

A few months ago I also heard that there has never been a cure for any strain of Coronavirus. I think I may have even posted that here. However, since then I've also read that (a) COVID-19 is different in ways that make it both more virulent and also more easily killed by certain things; (b) there has been promising research at places like Pitt and Louisville which could result in high-tech cures. I'm certainly not an expert on viruses, but it seems like there is reason to hope for a cure.

Ah, so we are back to the magical virus that doesn't behave like every other virus known to man.

Quote:Besides, the same people who say there's no cure for any Coronavirus also say any immunity you get from it is only temporary, and the disease likely does permanent damage to your lungs. Herd immunity is a high stakes gamble with long odds - you're better off letting John Swigged negotiate your next work contract!

Alive with damaged lungs is better than dead from some other underlying condition that you can't get treated because the world lost it's damned mind over a virus with a less than 5% fatality rate based upon known cases and fudged numbers where no matter what really killed you if you have covid-19 in your system you are a covid death. Truth is it's a far lower percentage than that due to the unknown cases and the ones they deemed covid that weren't.

(06-30-2020 09:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 08:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 08:44 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 07:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  YEAH, SURE THAT'LL HAPPEN.

https://twitter.com/inklessPW/status/127...0719351810

GET IT ON BANG A GONG GET IT ON

"...the US may reach herd immunity before a vaccine. Apart from the human toll..."

Let me translate for you: So many people will get sick that there won't be enough healthy people left to sustain the virus. Of course, a large number of people will also die in the process.

Here's a news flash for you: there isn't going to be an effective covid-19 vaccine because there has never been an effective vaccine for any kind of coronavirus. Because of this we have two choices: kill some people building herd immunity or kill a hell of a lot more by destroying our entire economic system trying to protect citizens from this virus. Take your pick.

A third outcome to consider is that even if the choice was herd immunity, the economy will still be trashed when you have so many people getting sick and or dyeing that not only will it affect our food supply chain but you will have many, many people who will refuse to go out to restaurants and retail stores etc... So the economy will still be destroyed, only there will be a lot of sick folks and folks who have died to go with the bad economy. What we saw in March and April with people hogging up toilet tissue and the supply chain being affected will pale in comparison to what will happen if we let a herd immunity take hold with 2000 to 3000 people dyeing everyday.

(06-30-2020 11:06 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 09:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 08:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 08:44 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 07:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  YEAH, SURE THAT'LL HAPPEN.

https://twitter.com/inklessPW/status/127...0719351810

GET IT ON BANG A GONG GET IT ON

"...the US may reach herd immunity before a vaccine. Apart from the human toll..."

Let me translate for you: So many people will get sick that there won't be enough healthy people left to sustain the virus. Of course, a large number of people will also die in the process.

Here's a news flash for you: there isn't going to be an effective covid-19 vaccine because there has never been an effective vaccine for any kind of coronavirus. Because of this we have two choices: kill some people building herd immunity or kill a hell of a lot more by destroying our entire economic system trying to protect citizens from this virus. Take your pick.

A third outcome to consider is that even if the choice was herd immunity, the economy will still be trashed when you have so many people getting sick and or dyeing that not only will it affect our food supply chain but you will have many, many people who will refuse to go out to restaurants and retail stores etc... So the economy will still be destroyed, only there will be a lot of sick folks and folks who have died to go with the bad economy. What we saw in March and April with people hogging up toilet tissue and the supply chain being affected will pale in comparison to what will happen if we let a herd immunity take hold with 2000 to 3000 people dyeing everyday.

OK, so in the worst case scenario we are where we would be at if we were to do what you fear mongers want the country to do.

7 million people died in this country due to the Great Depression, and that was in a time when far more people were self-reliant and not dependent upon the toilet paper supply. If you and your fellow fear mongers get your way not only will we see another massive depression with the divides in this country today we will see open warfare.

(06-30-2020 11:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 11:06 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 09:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 08:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 08:44 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/inklessPW/status/127...0719351810

GET IT ON BANG A GONG GET IT ON

"...the US may reach herd immunity before a vaccine. Apart from the human toll..."

Let me translate for you: So many people will get sick that there won't be enough healthy people left to sustain the virus. Of course, a large number of people will also die in the process.

Here's a news flash for you: there isn't going to be an effective covid-19 vaccine because there has never been an effective vaccine for any kind of coronavirus. Because of this we have two choices: kill some people building herd immunity or kill a hell of a lot more by destroying our entire economic system trying to protect citizens from this virus. Take your pick.

A third outcome to consider is that even if the choice was herd immunity, the economy will still be trashed when you have so many people getting sick and or dyeing that not only will it affect our food supply chain but you will have many, many people who will refuse to go out to restaurants and retail stores etc... So the economy will still be destroyed, only there will be a lot of sick folks and folks who have died to go with the bad economy. What we saw in March and April with people hogging up toilet tissue and the supply chain being affected will pale in comparison to what will happen if we let a herd immunity take hold with 2000 to 3000 people dyeing everyday.

OK, so in the worst case scenario we are where we would be at if we were to do what you fear mongers want the country to do.

7 million people died in this country due to the Great Depression, and that was in a time when far more people were self-reliant and not dependent upon the toilet paper supply. If you and your fellow fear mongers get your way not only will we see another massive depression with the divides in this country today we will see open warfare.

Kap, you are doing your own fear mongering here and it is way worse than anything I have said. What Im saying here is that we can control this virus by simply wearing face masks while in public and social distancing. It worked for NY and other States and countries in Europe and Asia and Africa. It is a proven method to keep the virus from spiking. The only folks that have issues with this are the wackos that think wearing a face mask in public infringes on their rights and or manhood.

(06-30-2020 10:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 10:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Besides, the same people who say there's no cure for any Coronavirus also say any immunity you get from it is only temporary, and the disease likely does permanent damage to your lungs. Herd immunity is a high stakes gamble with long odds - you're better off letting John Swigged negotiate your next work contract!

Alive with damaged lungs is better than dead from some other underlying condition that you can't get treated because the world lost it's damned mind over a virus with a less than 5% fatality rate based upon known cases and fudged numbers where no matter what really killed you if you have covid-19 in your system you are a covid death. Truth is it's a far lower percentage than that due to the unknown cases and the ones they deemed covid that weren't.

Let me get this straight: Telling everyone they should wear a mask during a dangerous pandemic is fear mongering, but claiming that millions will die from economic conditions - which haven't happened (and may not), with horrible consequences you seem to claim are inevitable, but which did not take place even during the Great Depression - is somehow NOT fear mongering?

By the way, masks were mandatory throughout the United States during the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918-19, yet everyone went to work and the economy kept rolling just fine with masks on.

Finally, if you're worried about the world losing it's mind, you're too late - that happened when people started trusting social media for news... Yes, some news reporters have distorted the truth; by contrast, what of social media posts are outright lies? Yet twitter is somehow more believable than ABC, NBC and CBS because someone on twitter tells people what they want to hear? [2 Tim 4:3,4]

(07-01-2020 06:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 10:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 10:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Besides, the same people who say there's no cure for any Coronavirus also say any immunity you get from it is only temporary, and the disease likely does permanent damage to your lungs. Herd immunity is a high stakes gamble with long odds - you're better off letting John Swigged negotiate your next work contract!

Alive with damaged lungs is better than dead from some other underlying condition that you can't get treated because the world lost it's damned mind over a virus with a less than 5% fatality rate based upon known cases and fudged numbers where no matter what really killed you if you have covid-19 in your system you are a covid death. Truth is it's a far lower percentage than that due to the unknown cases and the ones they deemed covid that weren't.

Let me get this straight: Telling everyone they should wear a mask during a dangerous pandemic is fear mongering, but claiming that millions will die from economic conditions - which haven't happened (and may not), with horrible consequences you seem to claim are inevitable, but which did not take place even during the Great Depression - is somehow NOT fear mongering?

By the way, masks were mandatory throughout the United States during the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918-19, yet everyone went to work and the economy kept rolling just fine with masks on.

Finally, if you're worried about the world losing it's mind, you're too late - that happened when people started trusting social media for news... Yes, some news reporters have distorted the truth; by contrast, what of social media posts are outright lies? Yet twitter is somehow more believable than ABC, NBC and CBS because someone on twitter tells people what they want to hear? [2 Tim 4:3,4]

Media is no better. Journalism was in trouble long before social media.

None of those are believable, You can't name a news source that hasn't just been unethical in reporting of news.

(07-01-2020 06:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 10:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 10:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Besides, the same people who say there's no cure for any Coronavirus also say any immunity you get from it is only temporary, and the disease likely does permanent damage to your lungs. Herd immunity is a high stakes gamble with long odds - you're better off letting John Swigged negotiate your next work contract!

Alive with damaged lungs is better than dead from some other underlying condition that you can't get treated because the world lost it's damned mind over a virus with a less than 5% fatality rate based upon known cases and fudged numbers where no matter what really killed you if you have covid-19 in your system you are a covid death. Truth is it's a far lower percentage than that due to the unknown cases and the ones they deemed covid that weren't.

Let me get this straight: Telling everyone they should wear a mask during a dangerous pandemic is fear mongering, but claiming that millions will die from economic conditions - which haven't happened (and may not), with horrible consequences you seem to claim are inevitable, but which did not take place even during the Great Depression - is somehow NOT fear mongering?

By the way, masks were mandatory throughout the United States during the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918-19, yet everyone went to work and the economy kept rolling just fine with masks on.

Finally, if you're worried about the world losing it's mind, you're too late - that happened when people started trusting social media for news... Yes, some news reporters have distorted the truth; by contrast, what of social media posts are outright lies? Yet twitter is somehow more believable than ABC, NBC and CBS because someone on twitter tells people what they want to hear? [2 Tim 4:3,4]

Who the **** brought up Twitter?

I'm going on what I was taught in courses that were unbearably boring for an ungodly number of hours. I don't trust the media nor Twitter, I trust what I had to learn because it was life or death for me and my crews if I got it wrong. I tended to take that kind of thing serious because the guy I replaced as a hazmat team commander didn't take it serious and hurt himself on a relatively insignificant chlorine spill at a public pool to the point where it eventually forced him to retire when he couldn't pass the annual physical.

The BS being passed on as "science" about masks for this virus is just that, BS. There is nothing about this virus that exempts it from every other virus when it comes to PPE. It's a damn placebo because the thing the government does worse than anything else is doing nothing. Someone somewhere figured "We have to do something" and this is what came from it. The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others." Unless you are making your mask out of something like Gore Tex that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever because the protective barrier would be more effective on the receiving end due to the fact that inhalation is always going to be a lower pressure than exhalation. Not to mention the fact that none of these homemade masks are fit tested to assure a proper seal so the gaps in the mask allow the unimpeded passage of your exhaled breath complete with whatever contaminates they contain.

(07-02-2020 08:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 06:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 10:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 10:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Besides, the same people who say there's no cure for any Coronavirus also say any immunity you get from it is only temporary, and the disease likely does permanent damage to your lungs. Herd immunity is a high stakes gamble with long odds - you're better off letting John Swigged negotiate your next work contract!

Alive with damaged lungs is better than dead from some other underlying condition that you can't get treated because the world lost it's damned mind over a virus with a less than 5% fatality rate based upon known cases and fudged numbers where no matter what really killed you if you have covid-19 in your system you are a covid death. Truth is it's a far lower percentage than that due to the unknown cases and the ones they deemed covid that weren't.

Let me get this straight: Telling everyone they should wear a mask during a dangerous pandemic is fear mongering, but claiming that millions will die from economic conditions - which haven't happened (and may not), with horrible consequences you seem to claim are inevitable, but which did not take place even during the Great Depression - is somehow NOT fear mongering?

By the way, masks were mandatory throughout the United States during the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918-19, yet everyone went to work and the economy kept rolling just fine with masks on.

Finally, if you're worried about the world losing it's mind, you're too late - that happened when people started trusting social media for news... Yes, some news reporters have distorted the truth; by contrast, what of social media posts are outright lies? Yet twitter is somehow more believable than ABC, NBC and CBS because someone on twitter tells people what they want to hear? [2 Tim 4:3,4]

Who the **** brought up Twitter?

I'm going on what I was taught in courses that were unbearably boring for an ungodly number of hours. I don't trust the media nor Twitter, I trust what I had to learn because it was life or death for me and my crews if I got it wrong. I tended to take that kind of thing serious because the guy I replaced as a hazmat team commander didn't take it serious and hurt himself on a relatively insignificant chlorine spill at a public pool to the point where it eventually forced him to retire when he couldn't pass the annual physical.

The BS being passed on as "science" about masks for this virus is just that, BS. There is nothing about this virus that exempts it from every other virus when it comes to PPE. It's a damn placebo because the thing the government does worse than anything else is doing nothing. Someone somewhere figured "We have to do something" and this is what came from it. The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others." Unless you are making your mask out of something like Gore Tex that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever because the protective barrier would be more effective on the receiving end due to the fact that inhalation is always going to be a lower pressure than exhalation. Not to mention the fact that none of these homemade masks are fit tested to assure a proper seal so the gaps in the mask allow the unimpeded passage of your exhaled breath complete with whatever contaminates they contain.

Then how do yo explain what has happened in NY, NJ, Conn, Italy, Spain, France, Canada, S Korea, etc... After initially being overrun with this virus, these places now have it under control and are either declining in infections or remaining steady. These results are directly attributed to social distancing and facemasks. Each of these places have either an outright ban or quarantine on the US.

(07-03-2020 09:13 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 08:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-01-2020 06:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 10:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 10:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Besides, the same people who say there's no cure for any Coronavirus also say any immunity you get from it is only temporary, and the disease likely does permanent damage to your lungs. Herd immunity is a high stakes gamble with long odds - you're better off letting John Swigged negotiate your next work contract!

Alive with damaged lungs is better than dead from some other underlying condition that you can't get treated because the world lost it's damned mind over a virus with a less than 5% fatality rate based upon known cases and fudged numbers where no matter what really killed you if you have covid-19 in your system you are a covid death. Truth is it's a far lower percentage than that due to the unknown cases and the ones they deemed covid that weren't.

Let me get this straight: Telling everyone they should wear a mask during a dangerous pandemic is fear mongering, but claiming that millions will die from economic conditions - which haven't happened (and may not), with horrible consequences you seem to claim are inevitable, but which did not take place even during the Great Depression - is somehow NOT fear mongering?

By the way, masks were mandatory throughout the United States during the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918-19, yet everyone went to work and the economy kept rolling just fine with masks on.

Finally, if you're worried about the world losing it's mind, you're too late - that happened when people started trusting social media for news... Yes, some news reporters have distorted the truth; by contrast, what of social media posts are outright lies? Yet twitter is somehow more believable than ABC, NBC and CBS because someone on twitter tells people what they want to hear? [2 Tim 4:3,4]

Who the **** brought up Twitter?

I'm going on what I was taught in courses that were unbearably boring for an ungodly number of hours. I don't trust the media nor Twitter, I trust what I had to learn because it was life or death for me and my crews if I got it wrong. I tended to take that kind of thing serious because the guy I replaced as a hazmat team commander didn't take it serious and hurt himself on a relatively insignificant chlorine spill at a public pool to the point where it eventually forced him to retire when he couldn't pass the annual physical.

The BS being passed on as "science" about masks for this virus is just that, BS. There is nothing about this virus that exempts it from every other virus when it comes to PPE. It's a damn placebo because the thing the government does worse than anything else is doing nothing. Someone somewhere figured "We have to do something" and this is what came from it. The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others." Unless you are making your mask out of something like Gore Tex that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever because the protective barrier would be more effective on the receiving end due to the fact that inhalation is always going to be a lower pressure than exhalation. Not to mention the fact that none of these homemade masks are fit tested to assure a proper seal so the gaps in the mask allow the unimpeded passage of your exhaled breath complete with whatever contaminates they contain.

Then how do yo explain what has happened in NY, NJ, Conn, Italy, Spain, France, Canada, S Korea, etc... After initially being overrun with this virus, these places now have it under control and are either declining in infections or remaining steady. These results are directly attributed to social distancing and facemasks. Each of these places have either an outright ban or quarantine on the US.

He can't. The data won't support his argument. Additionally, there is no way the general public has the means or know how to purchase or maintain half face or full face respirators. As far as fit testing, highly doubt the general public, especially men with beards, would be willing to cut them off in order to be fitted properly and then maintain no facial hair to continue to use them properly. The general public can't even follow simple directions long enough to ensure the country can reopen and defeat this virus.

(07-02-2020 08:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Who the **** brought up Twitter?

I'm going on what I was taught in courses that were unbearably boring for an ungodly number of hours. I don't trust the media nor Twitter
[/twitter]

I did. I wasn't saying YOU were referencing twitter, I was literally saying "the world has gone crazy" in part because "people started trusting social media for news". That isn't a shot at you.

[quote='Kaplony' pid='16888073' dateline='1593740900']
I trust what I had to learn because it was life or death for me and my crews...

The BS being passed on as "science" about masks for this virus is just that, BS... The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others."

You just shot down your own argument. If EVERYONE wears a mask, and if masks prevent you from passing it on to others, guess what?

https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/...blicId=395

https://www.health.com/condition/infecti...co2-levels

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/n...-poisoning


No consensus on THE VIRUS, heck the scientists can't even agree on the relationship of carbon dioxide and wearing a mask.
Scientists are professional liars, willing to spin any story to fit the position of anyone ( including political parties) who will fund their next study.

(07-03-2020 12:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/...blicId=395

https://www.health.com/condition/infecti...co2-levels

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/n...-poisoning


No consensus on THE VIRUS, heck the scientists can't even agree on the relationship of carbon dioxide and wearing a mask.
Scientists are professional liars, willing to spin any story to fit the position of anyone ( including political parties) who will fund their next study.

I was in Lowes about a month ago looking for a fence gate and storm doors. So I was walking from one end of the store to the other. I had my mask on and I was sweating up a storm and I didnt understand why. As soon as I took my mask off I was fine. So I believe that masks do affect our oxygen levels when wearing them. But guess what? I see the positive results of what wearing a mask does for the Corona and those around me, and I dont care that it causes me to sweat when I wear it.

(07-03-2020 11:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 08:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Who the **** brought up Twitter?

I'm going on what I was taught in courses that were unbearably boring for an ungodly number of hours. I don't trust the media nor Twitter
[/twitter]

I did. I wasn't saying YOU were referencing twitter, I was literally saying "the world has gone crazy" in part because "people started trusting social media for news". That isn't a shot at you.

[quote='Kaplony' pid='16888073' dateline='1593740900']
I trust what I had to learn because it was life or death for me and my crews...

The BS being passed on as "science" about masks for this virus is just that, BS... The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others."

You just shot down your own argument. If EVERYONE wears a mask, and if masks prevent you from passing it on to others, guess what?

(07-03-2020 11:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 08:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Who the **** brought up Twitter?

I'm going on what I was taught in courses that were unbearably boring for an ungodly number of hours. I don't trust the media nor Twitter
[/twitter]

I did. I wasn't saying YOU were referencing twitter, I was literally saying "the world has gone crazy" in part because "people started trusting social media for news". That isn't a shot at you.

[quote='Kaplony' pid='16888073' dateline='1593740900']
I trust what I had to learn because it was life or death for me and my crews...

The BS being passed on as "science" about masks for this virus is just that, BS... The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others."

You just shot down your own argument. If EVERYONE wears a mask, and if masks prevent you from passing it on to others, guess what?

You have reading comprehension problems. That's the lie that the government folks are telling you, as was demonstrated in the part of the quote you left off:

Quote:The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others." Unless you are making your mask out of something like Gore Tex that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever because the protective barrier would be more effective on the receiving end due to the fact that inhalation is always going to be a lower pressure than exhalation.

Now either you are incapable of understanding basic English or you are an outright liar trying to creatively edit my words to make you point. Which is it?

(07-03-2020 01:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 11:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 08:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Who the **** brought up Twitter?

I'm going on what I was taught in courses that were unbearably boring for an ungodly number of hours. I don't trust the media nor Twitter
[/twitter]

I did. I wasn't saying YOU were referencing twitter, I was literally saying "the world has gone crazy" in part because "people started trusting social media for news". That isn't a shot at you.

[quote='Kaplony' pid='16888073' dateline='1593740900']
I trust what I had to learn because it was life or death for me and my crews...

The BS being passed on as "science" about masks for this virus is just that, BS... The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others."

You just shot down your own argument. If EVERYONE wears a mask, and if masks prevent you from passing it on to others, guess what?

You have reading comprehension problems. That's the lie that the government folks are telling you, as was demonstrated in the part of the quote you left off:

Quote:The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others." Unless you are making your mask out of something like Gore Tex that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever because the protective barrier would be more effective on the receiving end due to the fact that inhalation is always going to be a lower pressure than exhalation.

Now either you are incapable of understanding basic English or you are an outright liar trying to creatively edit my words to make you point. Which is it?

Kap, I get what you're saying about air pressure, particle size, all that... However, there remains consistent statistical evidence that places where masks are mandatory have much lower transmission rates than places which don't require masks. At the end of the day, you are what your record says you are - and the record says masks are working regardless of whether it makes sense or not. My thought is if it works, use it.

(07-03-2020 01:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 01:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 11:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 08:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Who the **** brought up Twitter?

I'm going on what I was taught in courses that were unbearably boring for an ungodly number of hours. I don't trust the media nor Twitter
[/twitter]

I did. I wasn't saying YOU were referencing twitter, I was literally saying "the world has gone crazy" in part because "people started trusting social media for news". That isn't a shot at you.

[quote='Kaplony' pid='16888073' dateline='1593740900']
I trust what I had to learn because it was life or death for me and my crews...

The BS being passed on as "science" about masks for this virus is just that, BS... The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others."

You just shot down your own argument. If EVERYONE wears a mask, and if masks prevent you from passing it on to others, guess what?

You have reading comprehension problems. That's the lie that the government folks are telling you, as was demonstrated in the part of the quote you left off:

Quote:The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others." Unless you are making your mask out of something like Gore Tex that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever because the protective barrier would be more effective on the receiving end due to the fact that inhalation is always going to be a lower pressure than exhalation.

Now either you are incapable of understanding basic English or you are an outright liar trying to creatively edit my words to make you point. Which is it?

Kap, I get what you're saying about air pressure, particle size, all that... However, there remains consistent statistical evidence that places where masks are mandatory have much lower transmission rates than places which don't require masks. At the end of the day, you are what your record says you are - and the record says masks are working regardless of whether it makes sense or not. My thought is if it works, use it.

You didn't answer my question.

(07-03-2020 02:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 01:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 01:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 11:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 08:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Who the **** brought up Twitter?

I'm going on what I was taught in courses that were unbearably boring for an ungodly number of hours. I don't trust the media nor Twitter
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I did. I wasn't saying YOU were referencing twitter, I was literally saying "the world has gone crazy" in part because "people started trusting social media for news". That isn't a shot at you.

[quote='Kaplony' pid='16888073' dateline='1593740900']
I trust what I had to learn because it was life or death for me and my crews...

The BS being passed on as "science" about masks for this virus is just that, BS... The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others."

You just shot down your own argument. If EVERYONE wears a mask, and if masks prevent you from passing it on to others, guess what?

You have reading comprehension problems. That's the lie that the government folks are telling you, as was demonstrated in the part of the quote you left off:

Quote:The biggest clue that they don't really work to me was when the government came out with the statement "Masks don't prevent you from getting the virus, it prevents you from passing the virus on to others." Unless you are making your mask out of something like Gore Tex that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever because the protective barrier would be more effective on the receiving end due to the fact that inhalation is always going to be a lower pressure than exhalation.

Now either you are incapable of understanding basic English or you are an outright liar trying to creatively edit my words to make you point. Which is it?

Kap, I get what you're saying about air pressure, particle size, all that... However, there remains consistent statistical evidence that places where masks are mandatory have much lower transmission rates than places which don't require masks. At the end of the day, you are what your record says you are - and the record says masks are working regardless of whether it makes sense or not. My thought is if it works, use it.

You didn't answer my question.

I do not have reading comprehension problems, and I am not a liar. You worded the question in a leading way, so I chose not to step into that trap.

You keep trying to focus the conversation on a one-sided argument about what constitutes a mask capable of protecting the wearer in the absence of any other protective measures. In that scenario, I truly believe you know what you are talking about - no issue there - but that is NOT the final word. The "government" is not lying about masks, for 2 reasons: (1) there is no single voice of the government on this issue; some are saying we need to wear masks, some are not; (2) the fact is, there is plenty of evidence that masks DO provide about 80% protection - I don't pretend to know the mechanism by which this happens, I just know statistics. Perhaps the masks you advocate are 95% effective - GREAT! - but if ordinary cloth masks get you 80% of the way, and it's possible for everyone to wear one, why wouldn't we do that?

So in recap, I'm NOT disagreeing with you about what to wear if you are the only person in the room wearing a mask; I'm talking about the case where every single person is wearing a mask that covers their mouth and nose.

(07-03-2020 12:25 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 12:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/...blicId=395

https://www.health.com/condition/infecti...co2-levels

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/n...-poisoning


No consensus on THE VIRUS, heck the scientists can't even agree on the relationship of carbon dioxide and wearing a mask.
Scientists are professional liars, willing to spin any story to fit the position of anyone ( including political parties) who will fund their next study.

I was in Lowes about a month ago looking for a fence gate and storm doors. So I was walking from one end of the store to the other. I had my mask on and I was sweating up a storm and I didnt understand why. As soon as I took my mask off I was fine. So I believe that masks do affect our oxygen levels when wearing them. But guess what? I see the positive results of what wearing a mask does for the Corona and those around me, and I dont care that it causes me to sweat when I wear it.

I'm glad to see that you are doing your shopping in a North Carolina based company.

(07-03-2020 03:35 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 12:25 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 12:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/...blicId=395

https://www.health.com/condition/infecti...co2-levels

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/n...-poisoning


No consensus on THE VIRUS, heck the scientists can't even agree on the relationship of carbon dioxide and wearing a mask.
Scientists are professional liars, willing to spin any story to fit the position of anyone ( including political parties) who will fund their next study.

I was in Lowes about a month ago looking for a fence gate and storm doors. So I was walking from one end of the store to the other. I had my mask on and I was sweating up a storm and I didnt understand why. As soon as I took my mask off I was fine. So I believe that masks do affect our oxygen levels when wearing them. But guess what? I see the positive results of what wearing a mask does for the Corona and those around me, and I dont care that it causes me to sweat when I wear it.

I'm glad to see that you are doing your shopping in a North Carolina based company.

Why would I care where they are based in the US? I have nothing against NC accept its where UNC and Duke are based.

(07-03-2020 05:06 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 03:35 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 12:25 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 12:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/...blicId=395

https://www.health.com/condition/infecti...co2-levels

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/n...-poisoning


No consensus on THE VIRUS, heck the scientists can't even agree on the relationship of carbon dioxide and wearing a mask.
Scientists are professional liars, willing to spin any story to fit the position of anyone ( including political parties) who will fund their next study.

I was in Lowes about a month ago looking for a fence gate and storm doors. So I was walking from one end of the store to the other. I had my mask on and I was sweating up a storm and I didnt understand why. As soon as I took my mask off I was fine. So I believe that masks do affect our oxygen levels when wearing them. But guess what? I see the positive results of what wearing a mask does for the Corona and those around me, and I dont care that it causes me to sweat when I wear it.

I'm glad to see that you are doing your shopping in a North Carolina based company.

Why would I care where they are based in the US? I have nothing against NC accept its where UNC and Duke are based.

It's good for my state's economy.
Thanks!