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He lost me when he said they could drop to FCS and save a bunch of money. FCS isn't cheap. The only argument is to drop football or stick it out.
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(06-25-2020 10:43 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  He lost me when he said they could drop to FCS and save a bunch of money. FCS isn't cheap. The only argument is to drop football or stick it out.

Have not read the article, but will do so after some meetings today. I do want to point out that there are a lot of teams in the New England area that they could play if they had an FCS schedule.
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(06-25-2020 10:27 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Sports Illustrated was the only national outlet**, and it dominated.

There was the Sporting News.

Without question, the writing and photography in SI far outclassed the Sporting News (especially since the Sporting News came on newsprint). Compared to SI, the Sporting News was sort of like the New York Daily News looking up at the New York Times. It lacked SI's influence and panache. But it was national.

To be fair, until USA Today came along, TSN was the bible of baseball.
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(06-25-2020 09:38 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 10:02 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Nothing thrives in the Patriot League.

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Nope. Colonial.
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(06-25-2020 11:03 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:38 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 10:02 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Nothing thrives in the Patriot League.

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Nope. Colonial.

My bad. Great catch. You are correct.
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(06-25-2020 10:55 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:43 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  He lost me when he said they could drop to FCS and save a bunch of money. FCS isn't cheap. The only argument is to drop football or stick it out.

Have not read the article, but will do so after some meetings today. I do want to point out that there are a lot of teams in the New England area that they could play if they had an FCS schedule.

FCS is certainly cheaper than FBS. Marshall bussed to these games:

Lexington, VA
Boone, NC
Cullowhee, NC
Johnson City, TN
Chattanooga, TN

Now, we fly everywhere...
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(06-25-2020 11:32 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:55 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:43 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  He lost me when he said they could drop to FCS and save a bunch of money. FCS isn't cheap. The only argument is to drop football or stick it out.

Have not read the article, but will do so after some meetings today. I do want to point out that there are a lot of teams in the New England area that they could play if they had an FCS schedule.

FCS is certainly cheaper than FBS. Marshall bussed to these games:

Lexington, VA
Boone, NC
Cullowhee, NC
Johnson City, TN
Chattanooga, TN

Now, we fly everywhere...

You can always go back to the MAC and be in a FBS bus league.
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(06-25-2020 09:21 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  It may also be noted that this is not the Sports Illustrated of old.

Shoot the messenger. That'll elevate UConn's prospects for sure.
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UConn threw money at FBS football with hopes of being called up by the P5? You dont say.

Any other G5 programs trudging down the same road? I figure a few AAC schools are hemorrhaging Millions chasing that dream.
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(06-25-2020 10:55 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:43 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  He lost me when he said they could drop to FCS and save a bunch of money. FCS isn't cheap. The only argument is to drop football or stick it out.

Have not read the article, but will do so after some meetings today. I do want to point out that there are a lot of teams in the New England area that they could play if they had an FCS schedule.

There are teams around but I still don't think Rhode Island, New Hampshire or Maine are saving a ton of money on football over UMass or UConn. Vermont might be
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I say this with firm knowledge that my favorite school thrives in Olympic sports: they don’t matter anymore. Can the columnist say he’s actually been to those sporting events being cut? No. Why? Because literally nobody except the scholarship athletes and their loved ones care. Stop making a big deal about archaic sports nobody cares about. So, so dumb.
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(06-25-2020 09:04 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I've never been one to waste much effort defending UConn athletics, but this article strikes me as Johnny-come-Lately "piling on" by a sportswriter fishing around to write about something during a time of little actual sports to write about.

The hook he tries to use to make the article seem relevant is the rumor that UConn is going to cut a lot of sports. But so what? Many, many schools are considering cutting sports. Nothing unusual about that at all at this time.

As for the rest of it, he brings zero new to the table. We all know how UConn football tanked the past 10 years, and why - profligate deficit spending, bad leadership and coaching, and the bad luck of falling from the ranks of the AQ to G5 conference.

Nothing new to see here, folks .... 07-coffee3

And UConn has a Big 10 level of sports sponsorships. Much more than typical for an SEC, Big 12 or ACC school, let alone the rest of the G5.
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(06-25-2020 01:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  I say this with firm knowledge that my favorite school thrives in Olympic sports: they don’t matter anymore. Can the columnist say he’s actually been to those sporting events being cut? No. Why? Because literally nobody except the scholarship athletes and their loved ones care. Stop making a big deal about archaic sports nobody cares about. So, so dumb.

You're operating on the assumption that fans in the stands is the only thing that matters. Actual students play many of those other sports, as opposed to athletes who may or may not have any interest in being a student.

And its more than just family watching those sports, although obviously its a lot less than football and basketball. Still baseball draws well at many places. Same for volleyball and gymnastics. Haven't seen recently, but the Texas Relays in Austin used to regularly draw 20-25k.
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I would argue it's easier than it ever has been before to survive as an FBS Independent

1. There's so many bowl games now that you don't need a conference tie-in to get a bid.
2. There's more independents out there to make scheduling easier (and UConn can restart their football series with UMass who is also an independent).
3. P5 payouts to non-P5 FBS teams are only going up and when you're an independent you can do more of those game.
4. You can do more 2-for-1s with P5s to get major conference teams in your stadium.
5. TV payouts to non-P5 FBS teams have only gone up.
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(06-25-2020 02:01 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I would argue it's easier than it ever has been before to survive as an FBS Independent

Not "than ever before", but in the past 25 years? Yes.
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(06-25-2020 10:55 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:43 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  He lost me when he said they could drop to FCS and save a bunch of money. FCS isn't cheap. The only argument is to drop football or stick it out.

Have not read the article, but will do so after some meetings today. I do want to point out that there are a lot of teams in the New England area that they could play if they had an FCS schedule.

But do fans show up for games? Will UConn’s own even show up if they drop down? I agree that they could have a yearly local schedule, but it would still lose a lot of money, especially when the stadium isn’t on campus. It’s hard to get excited on a fall Saturday when you have to drive out and see, what, Holy Cross or Monmouth in your non-conference when it could have been a P5 team or on some level of national or regional tv?

Football is the low-hanging fruit for scapegoating cuts, even if it’s a likely culprit, but, whereas that sport is a known risk for budgets, how is basketball doing? It used to be its own money-generating program to prop up other programs. But its costs have risen significantly. Football is a known drain, but I suspect this is also UConn hoops not being able to prop things up, too.
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(06-25-2020 01:01 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:21 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  It may also be noted that this is not the Sports Illustrated of old.

Shoot the messenger. That'll elevate UConn's prospects for sure.

Hey, I didn't shoot the messenger, just pointed out that it's a different messenger than the one that used to go by that name.
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(06-25-2020 01:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  I say this with firm knowledge that my favorite school thrives in Olympic sports: they don’t matter anymore. Can the columnist say he’s actually been to those sporting events being cut? No. Why? Because literally nobody except the scholarship athletes and their loved ones care. Stop making a big deal about archaic sports nobody cares about. So, so dumb.

You're operating on the assumption that fans in the stands is the only thing that matters. Actual students play many of those other sports, as opposed to athletes who may or may not have any interest in being a student.

And its more than just family watching those sports, although obviously its a lot less than football and basketball. Still baseball draws well at many places. Same for volleyball and gymnastics. Haven't seen recently, but the Texas Relays in Austin used to regularly draw 20-25k.

It’s a money suck. They cost more than they’re worth. I am a fan of golf, lacrosse, even track etc., but it just doesn’t make sense any longer.

My main point is this guy lamenting **** he, nor anybody else, really cares about.
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(06-25-2020 01:08 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:55 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:43 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  He lost me when he said they could drop to FCS and save a bunch of money. FCS isn't cheap. The only argument is to drop football or stick it out.

Have not read the article, but will do so after some meetings today. I do want to point out that there are a lot of teams in the New England area that they could play if they had an FCS schedule.

There are teams around but I still don't think Rhode Island, New Hampshire or Maine are saving a ton of money on football over UMass or UConn. Vermont might be

Vermont has been saving a lot of money on football since they discontinued it in 1974.

URI, UNH, and UMaine can bus to each other and Stony Brook and Albany are also bus-able but are about 500 and 410 miles from Orono, ME. That's four conference opponents for each school. Throw in an FBS game (maybe against Buffalo, Syracuse, UMass, or UConn) and OOC against the likes of Wagner, C Conn St, or any of the Ivy leagues and that gives you the possibility of 7 games which you or your opponent can reach by bus.
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(06-25-2020 02:11 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:55 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 10:43 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  He lost me when he said they could drop to FCS and save a bunch of money. FCS isn't cheap. The only argument is to drop football or stick it out.

Have not read the article, but will do so after some meetings today. I do want to point out that there are a lot of teams in the New England area that they could play if they had an FCS schedule.

But do fans show up for games? Will UConn’s own even show up if they drop down? I agree that they could have a yearly local schedule, but it would still lose a lot of money, especially when the stadium isn’t on campus. It’s hard to get excited on a fall Saturday when you have to drive out and see, what, Holy Cross or Monmouth in your non-conference when it could have been a P5 team or on some level of national or regional tv?

Football is the low-hanging fruit for scapegoating cuts, even if it’s a likely culprit, but, whereas that sport is a known risk for budgets, how is basketball doing? It used to be its own money-generating program to prop up other programs. But its costs have risen significantly. Football is a known drain, but I suspect this is also UConn hoops not being able to prop things up, too.

The fans don't show up now at FBS level. They average just over 10k scanned tickets per game last year. Sure that number will fall, but it beats having to self purchase 10k or more of your own tickets to try and meet the 15k rolling two year average.

UConn women's hoops are still as good as ever, and I think replacing AAC opponents with Big East opponents should be more of a draw, especially given the history with the BE teams. If UConn men's hoops can turn it around, maybe UConn should consider the Villanova model (focus on BB and Olympic sports with a strong FCS program to boot).
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