Redskins name change seems likely.
-Doubt they will remove the logo. Therefore, back to Braves?

Cleveland Indians considering a change of name as well, but seems less movement.

(07-04-2020 08:07 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Cleveland Indians considering a change of name as well, but seems less movement.

I've seen a big online push for them to go to Tribe, citing W&M as an example. They've been using Tribe in Cleveland as a nickname for decades.

It seems that corporate elites are pushing for the Redskins to change the name
and not real Indians.

Polling by the Washington Post has consistently shown majority support of Indians in favor of the Redskin name.

More importantly, if you ask the tribes in VA and nearby I'm pretty sure they are big Redskins fans.

During my career, I spent decades working alongside a guy who was a Mattaponi chief and a woman who was 50% Pamunkey and 50% black. Both of them were huge Redskins fans. The woman had season tickets forever and attended the games wearing Indian garments and jewelry. She was a big hit with the fans.

I think you will find our average local Indian is proud of the names and images associated with the Washington football team. A Mattaponi spokeswomen supported the W&M mascot and the feathers and said that team names and mascots helped to remind the public that Indian tribes still existed.

It wasn't so long ago that the local tribes would attend our games and would perform tribal drumming during the pre-game.

This is part of the agenda of liberal white people. They couldn't care less about the local tribes. Let's keep the name and invest some of the funds from merchandise sales toward education, health and housing for tribes in VA and MD. Not all of the tribes will be able to benefit from these casino they are opening.

(07-04-2020 01:08 PM)DSL Wrote:  It seems that corporate elites are pushing for the Redskins to change the name
and not real Indians.

Polling by the Washington Post has consistently shown majority support of Indians in favor of the Redskin name.

More importantly, if you ask the tribes in VA and nearby I'm pretty sure they are big Redskins fans.

During my career, I spent decades working alongside a guy who was a Mattaponi chief and a woman who was 50% Pamunkey and 50% black. Both of them were huge Redskins fans. The woman had season tickets forever and attended the games wearing Indian garments and jewelry. She was a big hit with the fans.

I think you will find our average local Indian is proud of the names and images associated with the Washington football team. A Mattaponi spokeswomen supported the W&M mascot and the feathers and said that team names and mascots helped to remind the public that Indian tribes still existed.

It wasn't so long ago that the local tribes would attend our games and would perform tribal drumming during the pre-game.

This is part of the agenda of liberal white people. They couldn't care less about the local tribes. Let's keep the name and invest some of the funds from merchandise sales toward education, health and housing for tribes in VA and MD. Not all of the tribes will be able to benefit from these casino they are opening.

Here is another poll that is interesting to read with respect to Native Americans and the Washington Post polls.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/02/04/nat...ts-survey/

I say rename them to the "Washington Inferno"

....they've been a dumpster fire for years.

I grew up a huge Redskins fan. I was a Riggo's Ranger. I wore #44 through the 8th grade.

I haven't watched much professional football since 2004, to include Super Bowls, unless I was at a bar or friend's house and they have it on. Danny Boy, athletes switching teams - sometimes to the enemy, and whining arrogant players make it unbearable. I'd watch D3 over the NFL any day. Actually, the only professional sports I try to watch are dirtbike motorcycle racing, MMA, and endurance competitions.

The Redskins should've changed their name many years ago. Not because American Indians don't like it but because it's a stupid name. Warriors would be good and keep the logo. What I don't like is the idea of succumbing to pressure because it's a trigger topic right now.

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I agree with your criticism of the NFL and professional players.
College football is consistently more fun to watch and appreciate.
I still love the Washington football team but it's just so hard to watch
the product they put on the field each Sunday.
I'm fine just watching the CAA, ACC and SEC.
The Skins have not been worthy of my time for a couple decades and it's been
difficult to convince my boys that this is our team, win or lose.
The owner also sucks.
If the name is changed, I will not be buying a lifetime supply of Redskins gear like I did when our feather logo was retired.

Regarding the Berkeley poll and any nationwide poll, how many members of our own tribes were included?
The Washington team represents VA, MD and DC.
If the tribes in our region appreciate the name and recognition, then the NFL and corporations are arrogant to impose a name change.
Would it be so hard to discuss this with the VA and MD tribes, if any in MD,
and then I'm all for going along with THEIR preference?

I'm not attacking the poll survey methods, but whenever I read an article on this subject, the author has spoken exclusively to members of western tribes or with paid D.C. lobbyists from certain Native American political action committees.
I don't care what they think.
The Washington Post did such a piece a few years ago. My Pamunkey friend was
offended that nobody from VA was included in their interviews.

Let's focus on the opinions of our own tribes.
They are the ones that should matter.

While some may argue that ANY native imagery or mascot names are offensive and wrong, that’s not the main issue with the name (IMHO). Redskins is a slur by definition, that provides no distinction between tribes. It’s a slur that can apply to all American Indians. They’re not the Washington Seminoles or Washington Pamunkey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington...nion_polls

Controversy over the name of the Washington Redskins has led to the use of public opinion polling to establish whether the term "redskin" is insulting to Native Americans, and whether it should be changed. Although poll results indicate that a majority of the general population and a large majority of Native Americans are not offended by the name, these results and conclusions have been criticized by scholars and Native American leaders as being erroneous. Native American scholars have done academic research that address the problem of using standard polling methods, which are not valid for measuring the opinions of a small, yet culturally and socially diverse population such as Native Americans.

Much more in formation if you are interested.

(07-04-2020 02:36 PM)DSL Wrote:  Regarding the Berkeley poll and any nationwide poll, how many members of our own tribes were included?
The Washington team represents VA, MD and DC.
If the tribes in our region appreciate the name and recognition, then the NFL and corporations are arrogant to impose a name change.
Would it be so hard to discuss this with the VA and MD tribes, if any in MD,
and then I'm all for going along with THEIR preference?

I'm not attacking the poll survey methods, but whenever I read an article on this subject, the author has spoken exclusively to members of western tribes or with paid D.C. lobbyists from certain Native American political action committees.
I don't care what they think.
The Washington Post did such a piece a few years ago. My Pamunkey friend was
offended that nobody from VA was included in their interviews.

Let's focus on the opinions of our own tribes.
They are the ones that should matter.

I understand your points and respect them but I think you are putting regional perspective on a national discussion (which is I think what Hyper is also saying) - which is fair. For every poll you show, someone else can show a contrary one. For every Pamunkey friend you can share, someone else can share another Pamunkey friend (or other local Native American) that has the contrary view. That's why this is so hard. At the end of the day, I'm not going to lose any sleep either way.

But, let's not kid ourselves that this is anything other than a money decision on Snyder's side. I disagree that anyone (FedEx, Nike, Pepsi, or Muriel Bowser - with respect to the RFK site) is "imposing" a name change. What they are all doing is boxing Snyder into a corner and saying if he would like to keep the name, that's fine, just don't expect us to sponsor your team, your stadium, or allow you to build a stadium in DC.

If Snyder wants to keep the name - and he has under constant pressure before - it's his choice to do so. He's only even considering it now as his pockets would take a hit.

Now, I'm going back to focusing on our Tribe....

I can't believe this is an argument. Team names don't matter. It should have been changed a long time ago, and the Indians as well.

Im certain the imagery will stay, but the "red skin" slur will probably go, which Im ok with given the other teams without as much controversy (Blackhawks etc). People are mentioning Red-tails (Tuskeegee airmen), Monuments as the new name which I doubt will happen.

My bet is they go with the historical origin story of Braves or Warriors for the alliteration.

As long as we're at it...get the Bullets back. Bullets dont equal murder/crime. It means fast...get over it. Wizards = lame.

https://www.westernjournal.com/native-am...nt=firefly

How Do Native Americans Feel About the Washington Redskins' Name? You Might Be Surprised

(07-04-2020 04:02 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Im certain the imagery will stay, but the "red skin" slur will probably go, which Im ok with given the other teams without as much controversy (Blackhawks etc). People are mentioning Red-tails (Tuskeegee airmen), Monuments as the new name which I doubt will happen.

My bet is they go with the historical origin story of Braves or Warriors for the alliteration.

As long as we're at it...get the Bullets back. Bullets dont equal murder/crime. It means fast...get over it. Wizards = lame.

Yeah, but names don't matter. Anything remotely questionable should be changed. There's no good reason for it. Name baseball teams after different birds, name football teams after fish, name basketball teams after dogs and cats, name hockey and other sports after other kinds of animals. Everybody gets a nickname, then we move on. Or, alternatively, no nicknames. They literally don't matter at all. Call us the William & Mary baseball team, basketball team, golf team, gymnastics team, football team, etc.

As an aside, Abe Pollin changed the name of the Bullets after one of his close friends, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, was assassinated. He had been considering it for a while, but that was the event that put him over the top. https://deadspin.com/with-more-demand-th...1844195239

All of this reminds me of the Jay Leno line about changing the name of the NBA team in Washington.

"The Washington Bullets are changing their name. They don't want their team to be associated with crime. From now on, they'll just be known as the Bullets."

Changing the name to Warriors and keeping the logo makes sense to me.

I'd really like to see the name changed to something like the "Beltway Bandits", "Howlin' Hypocrites", "Corrupt Congressionals", "Slithering Swamp Snakes", "Regulation Rangers", "Taxation Troglidites", "Leapin' Lizzards", "Would-be Wokes", "Diversity Devils", etc. I like descriptive names with alliteration.

(07-06-2020 10:40 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  All of this reminds me of the Jay Leno line about changing the name of the NBA team in Washington.

"The Washington Bullets are changing their name. They don't want their team to be associated with crime. From now on, they'll just be known as the Bullets."

That's a good one!

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/red...an-imagery

Sounds like no Native American imagery likely.

(07-09-2020 09:59 AM)Tribe1693 Wrote:  https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/red...an-imagery

Sounds like no Native American imagery likely.

If this is the case, expect Blackhawks etc to also change.

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