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RE: Rumor: Delaware State discussed NEC at BOT meeting
(06-24-2020 06:52 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 02:22 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 02:11 PM)NoDak Wrote:  It's like Coastal Carolina and Texas St were such vicious FCS teams that they were forced to move up. Constant false argument. Presidents want to move up for more awareness.

Awareness...and state funding. North Texas went from being a third-tier school in funding to a seat alongside Texas Tech and Houston in the legislature. Still not UT or Texas A&M, but a big jump.

Would they have been similarly funded in the Southland? Doubtful at best.

The New York State Legislature is not going to give more money to Stony Brook or Albany because they are FBS. They are going to wonder where Stony Brook or Albany got the money to move up, and why it wasn't spent on education.

New York is not Texas.
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North Texas used to be looked at as a small-time school. When it built its coliseum in 1972, its builder must have had the contract for the Frank Erwin Center as well, and outfitted the home of the Mean Green with 10,000 burnt orange seats. Now, they can afford to put green in the building.

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(06-24-2020 07:45 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  North Texas used to be looked at as a small-time school. When it built its coliseum in 1972, its builder must have had the contract for the Frank Erwin Center as well, and outfitted the home of the Mean Green with 10,000 burnt orange seats. Now, they can afford to put green in the building.

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I’m more interested in the UT shorts that say “Runnin Horns”
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I want to know who Howard is talking to. If they move, then everyone else will make theirs.
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(06-25-2020 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I want to know who Howard is talking to. If they move, then everyone else will make theirs.

Howard could well be talking to alumni, especially alumni donors, to determine how hard they can afford to push to hold the MEAC together. If nobody else bolts, it's a question that can be sorted out over the coming school year.
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RE: Rumor: Delaware State discussed NEC at BOT meeting
(06-25-2020 08:03 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  DSU, NEC won’t confirm or deny
https://www.hbcusports.com/2020/06/25/de...filiation/

Some poor research in that article:

Quote:RMU’s move leaves the NEC with seven football members and the possibility of Delaware State joining the conference would allow the NEC to remain an eight-member football league.

RMU's move leaves the NEC with 8 FB members. I assume the author omitted affiliate Duquesne.
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(06-25-2020 08:14 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I want to know who Howard is talking to. If they move, then everyone else will make theirs.

Howard could well be talking to alumni, especially alumni donors, to determine how hard they can afford to push to hold the MEAC together. If nobody else bolts, it's a question that can be sorted out over the coming school year.

I don't know why it should be on them to keep the conference together if they have a way out. Conference realignment is rarely altruistic.
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(06-25-2020 08:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:03 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  DSU, NEC won’t confirm or deny
https://www.hbcusports.com/2020/06/25/de...filiation/

Some poor research in that article:

Quote:RMU’s move leaves the NEC with seven football members and the possibility of Delaware State joining the conference would allow the NEC to remain an eight-member football league.

RMU's move leaves the NEC with 8 FB members. I assume the author omitted affiliate Duquesne.

Hack journalism. 5 minutes on Wikipedia could have provided the author that information.
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RE: Rumor: Delaware State discussed NEC at BOT meeting
(06-25-2020 08:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:14 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I want to know who Howard is talking to. If they move, then everyone else will make theirs.

Howard could well be talking to alumni, especially alumni donors, to determine how hard they can afford to push to hold the MEAC together. If nobody else bolts, it's a question that can be sorted out over the coming school year.

I don't know why it should be on them to keep the conference together if they have a way out. Conference realignment is rarely altruistic.

The next FB school to leave will be the one that is set down as killing the MEAC if the MEAC doesn't recover from the loss ... if Howard doing that risks souring relations with too many of their alumni donors, then acting in a way that keeps them happy with you is hardly pure altruism.

And of course, for a lot of HBCUs, football attendance tends to be higher when hosting an HBCU. A drumline contest between Showtime and the LIU Marching Band likely isn't going to attract the same level of interest.
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RE: Rumor: Delaware State discussed NEC at BOT meeting
(06-26-2020 07:43 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:14 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I want to know who Howard is talking to. If they move, then everyone else will make theirs.

Howard could well be talking to alumni, especially alumni donors, to determine how hard they can afford to push to hold the MEAC together. If nobody else bolts, it's a question that can be sorted out over the coming school year.

I don't know why it should be on them to keep the conference together if they have a way out. Conference realignment is rarely altruistic.

The next FB school to leave will be the one that is set down as killing the MEAC if the MEAC doesn't recover from the loss ... if Howard doing that risks souring relations with too many of their alumni donors, then acting in a way that keeps them happy with you is hardly pure altruism.

And of course, for a lot of HBCUs, football attendance tends to be higher when hosting an HBCU. A drumline contest between Showtime and the LIU Marching Band likely isn't going to attract the same level of interest.

Right, but it wouldn't be Howard that killed the MEAC. Why shouldn't the schools who left before them get any of the "blame"?
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RE: Rumor: Delaware State discussed NEC at BOT meeting
The NEC is at 10 members, 7 play football plus fb affiliate Duquesne makes 8.

Geographically, they have 4 New England schools, 4 NYC/NJ schools, plus one in PA and one in MD.

Conceivably, if they wanted to, they could take on say Delaware St and Morgan St. this would essentially create 3 pods of 4 for scheduling and travel purposes.

The NEC is of course under no obligation to expand and the NE and NYC blocks could easily limit targets to ones that are good geographic fits for those 8 schools.
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(06-25-2020 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I want to know who Howard is talking to. If they move, then everyone else will make theirs.

The CAA would be a pretty good fit for Howard. Smack on the middle of the footprint. Other private schools and/or academically prestigious publics around the corner
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(06-26-2020 11:28 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I want to know who Howard is talking to. If they move, then everyone else will make theirs.

The CAA would be a pretty good fit for Howard. Smack on the middle of the footprint. Other private schools and/or academically prestigious publics around the corner

Thing is, the CAA already has 12 FB schools. Would they take Howard's non-FB sports to make 11 in BB and just pass on the FB?

Howard to the NEC seems more likely, or possibly the Patriot.
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(06-26-2020 11:31 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
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(06-25-2020 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I want to know who Howard is talking to. If they move, then everyone else will make theirs.

The CAA would be a pretty good fit for Howard. Smack on the middle of the footprint. Other private schools and/or academically prestigious publics around the corner

Thing is, the CAA already has 12 FB schools. Would they take Howard's non-FB sports to make 11 in BB and just pass on the FB?

Howard to the NEC seems more likely, or possibly the Patriot.

If they joined CAA, CAA would just go to a 13 team football format. Everyone would play 8 conference mates and skip the other 4.

You could do a format where everyone has 4 protected rivals and rotate through the other 8 every other year.

The 5 NY/NE schools could all be each others’ Protected rivals and then:

Villanova: Delaware, Towson, Howard, Elon
Delaware: Villanova, Towson, Howard, W&M
Towson: Villanova, Delaware, Howard, JMU
Howard: Villanova, Delaware, Towson, Richmond

JMU: Richmond, W&M, Elon, Towson
Richmond: W&M, Elon, JMU, Howard
William & Mary: Elon, Richmond, JMU, Delaware
Elon: W&M, Richmond, JMU, Villanova
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(06-26-2020 11:28 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I want to know who Howard is talking to. If they move, then everyone else will make theirs.

The CAA would be a pretty good fit for Howard. Smack on the middle of the footprint. Other private schools and/or academically prestigious publics around the corner

I think I brought this up before, but the CAA taking Howard would be a massive h*ck you to Hampton, which has openly coveted them since they moved to D1. Not that it would have any bearing, and D.C. is a glaring hole in the CAA footprint that they'd love to fill, but it's still funny to think about given the HU-HU rivalry.
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The more I think of Howard and NC Central to the CAA the more I like it.

NC Central has a quality bball program and would provide a team in Raleigh/Durham area to compliment the Greensboro and Wilmington areas as well as another football school.

Howard is at the dead center of the conference footprint and is a quality academic minded private football school. They would fit in very well in the northern half of the CAA.

Doing this would allow for logical travel partners as well as helping alleviate the travel burden. UNCW, CoC, Hofstra, and Northeastern would only have to travel those far distances every other year in basketball.

The CAA could also shed the northern football only schools if desired (Maine, UNH, URI, Albany, Stony Brook) allowing them to recreate and FCS only Yankee conference with Robert Morris and Monmouth.
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(06-26-2020 12:40 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The CAA could also shed the northern football only schools if desired (Maine, UNH, URI, Albany, Stony Brook) allowing them to recreate and FCS only Yankee conference with Robert Morris and Monmouth.

Maine, UNH, URI, Albany, and Stony Brook are full members of the football conference. In order to "shed" them, the other schools would need to leave CAA Football themselves. The northern schools aren't going to go willingly. I can also think of four or five (at least) other full members of CAA Football who would prefer to play good football teams that they have decades of history with instead of a different geographic outlier (NC Central) and a terrible local team (Howard).
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RE: Rumor: Delaware State discussed NEC at BOT meeting
I mean, I get the NEC isn't exactly a conference full of world-beaters, but why Delaware State? They offer basically nothing other than filling a hole in scheduling. Are they that worried about being at 11 teams?
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(06-26-2020 06:11 PM)Mav Wrote:  I mean, I get the NEC isn't exactly a conference full of world-beaters, but why Delaware State? They offer basically nothing other than filling a hole in scheduling. Are they that worried about being at 11 teams?

Adding Delaware St. keeps football at 8 full members after Robert Morris leaves
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