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(07-06-2020 12:17 PM)Jayemyoo Wrote:  
(07-06-2020 12:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-06-2020 11:40 AM)Jayemyoo Wrote:  They came for the Frederick Douglass statue in Rochester, NY last night. Talk about lack of Historical knowledge. Geez. If you want to remove Confederate statues, fine, put them in a museum. But, wait two years so that it doesn't appear you are bowing to the mob. It will just embolden them.

So you're saying that you think the same type of "mob" that has been tearing down confederate and Columbus statues also removed a Frederick Douglas statue. But instead of doing it in their typical mob style and marching on it and making a show of it this time they decided to do it clandestinely in the middle of the night and not claim any responsibility? I don't know if I buy that story.

A mob is a mob. Doesn't matter what side of the coin.

A mob isn't a mob if it's a couple good 'ol boys in a truck with a chain.
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(07-06-2020 12:24 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-06-2020 12:17 PM)Jayemyoo Wrote:  
(07-06-2020 12:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-06-2020 11:40 AM)Jayemyoo Wrote:  They came for the Frederick Douglass statue in Rochester, NY last night. Talk about lack of Historical knowledge. Geez. If you want to remove Confederate statues, fine, put them in a museum. But, wait two years so that it doesn't appear you are bowing to the mob. It will just embolden them.

So you're saying that you think the same type of "mob" that has been tearing down confederate and Columbus statues also removed a Frederick Douglas statue. But instead of doing it in their typical mob style and marching on it and making a show of it this time they decided to do it clandestinely in the middle of the night and not claim any responsibility? I don't know if I buy that story.

A mob is a mob. Doesn't matter what side of the coin.

A mob isn't a mob if it's a couple good 'ol boys in a truck with a chain.

Fair point
07-06-2020 12:32 PM
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(07-06-2020 08:04 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 04:02 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  Renaming buildings and tearing down statues is all about helping reverse the racist acts of the country we live in. For example this very offensive statue that was set fire and now removed in Portland.

https://www.rt.com/usa/493549-elk-portla...e-protest/

Wow. RT.com huh? The story seems to be true enough but I just question how you come across that source in your daily life. Do you follow them regularly? Is it the social media circles you run in? I don't usually criticize the source of an article unless it's fake news but Russian state sponsored media? Sheesh.


https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/07/02/ci...burned-it/

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020...otest.html

https://www.foxnews.com/us/protesters-li...lared-riot

https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world...84512.html

I would have posted a link from a Liberal source but shocker...nowhere to be found. Sheesh
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(07-06-2020 04:40 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  
(07-06-2020 08:04 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 04:02 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  Renaming buildings and tearing down statues is all about helping reverse the racist acts of the country we live in. For example this very offensive statue that was set fire and now removed in Portland.

https://www.rt.com/usa/493549-elk-portla...e-protest/

Wow. RT.com huh? The story seems to be true enough but I just question how you come across that source in your daily life. Do you follow them regularly? Is it the social media circles you run in? I don't usually criticize the source of an article unless it's fake news but Russian state sponsored media? Sheesh.


https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/07/02/ci...burned-it/

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020...otest.html

https://www.foxnews.com/us/protesters-li...lared-riot

https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world...84512.html

I would have posted a link from a Liberal source but shocker...nowhere to be found. Sheesh

Hey, if CNN isn’t covering it turn to the Kremlin right?
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(06-30-2020 04:36 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(06-30-2020 02:24 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 11:13 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(06-27-2020 05:22 PM)Purple Wrote:  I have read your "source documents," but they do not change my mind nor do they change what actually happened.
Remember, the South did not start the Civil War. It started when the North fired on Fort Sumter.

WTF? 03-lmfao

OMG

Seriously P, put down the sauce. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Ummm I'm certainly not a "history Guy" but Honest Abe was pissed because the south left the union and stopped paying taxes and would hurt the commodities supply. A.L. says the south can't leave the union and launched some cannon balls over Fort Sumter. Abe really didn't want a war but the south called his bluff.

A few years ago I believe it was the History Channel did a series on the civil war, (maybe called Grant??) I think based on a book Making a Nation (or something like that)

If I recall correctly, Grant actually owned slaves, gifted from his father. R.E. Lee did not own slaves and actually freed slaves that we're owned by his family when he became an adult.

03-lmfao You learned that misinformation at VCU? You certainly didn’t learn it at JMU. Perhaps you went to the same school of alternative facts as P?

Two facts. Grant married into a family from KY with slaves. Grant’s father (or his blood relations) did not own slaves. Ever. The only evidence of Grant controlling a slave was Grant giving the slave his freedom in 1859. Lee, on the other hand, did own slaves, was raised in a household dependent on slave labor, and fought in court to maintain ownership of his working slaves. Lee subsequently married into a family with more slaves. Lee did not free his slaves of his own goodwill. Ever. That is until the outcome of the Civil War, which settled that question quite completely.

Oh, and it’s incontrovertible that the first shots fired on Fort Sumter were by Southern men commanded by Pierre Beauregard, more commonly known as P.G. T. Beauregard, who the newly formed Confederate government placed in command of the defense of Charleston. As already pointed out, several southern states did not wait until Lincoln was inaugurated before declaring their independence from the Union. The attack on Fort Sumter had the same impact on Northern citizens in 1861 as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor did in 1941. It galvanized northern support for the Union and an outpouring of patriotism to fight to preserve the United States of America.

Agree with vast majority here, but one nitpick. Grant's wife was from Missouri, just outside of St. Louis. You are correct that Grant had one slave that was given to him by his father in law, who he freed one year later.
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Board of Visitors makes a done deal a done deal.

https://www.jmu.edu/news/2020/07/07-bov-...ming.shtml
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Does this make everyone happy now?
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(07-08-2020 05:29 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Does this make everyone happy now?

People are happier when there is informed dialog about problems. You wouldn't know much about contributing to thoughtful dialog on this forum though would you?
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