(02-26-2021 08:39 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 05:10 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 12:56 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 10:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 09:29 PM)82hawk Wrote:  "The eye test and common sense has to prevail with decision making. Lockdowns and immunizations haven’t decreased the severity of this disease. They have just spread them out over a longer period of time."

Bingo!

FYI, this was a known outcome from the beginning. Thus the concept of "flatten the curve"

The “eye test” and “common sense” outweighs factual, scientific data?

Okay.

Is the data being shared by the CDC good enough for you? Have you read it? I have. The CDC data and the “eye test” align with each other but go ahead and take one sentence from a long post so you can change the context of what was shared.

Name one amateur or professional athlete that has died from Covid. Lots of positive tests. No hospitalizations nor deaths. Why is this? Could it be because they are in great physical condition and not insulin resistant?

What scientific data are you referring to? Are you saying the CDC information is wrong?

Nice try at CYA.

Are you confident that out of over the 500k+ COVID related deaths (and counting) there are zero athletes? Amateur or professional? How many COVID deaths of people that you would describe as “athletic” would it take to make your thesis null and void? One? Two? Several hundred or a thousand? You might want to rethink your rather hyperbolic claim that no athletes have died of COVID.

As for CDC data that has guided our best attempts to understand this horrible virus, I don’t think the “eye test” is a CDC measurement.

Interpretation of scientific data (just like specialized data from other fields of professional knowledge) will almost always vary depending on the training, level of education, experience and background of the person (or persons) doing the interpreting. But making an important decision based on an “eye test”? Really? That’s how you roll with other important decisions in your life?

One of the reasons the Mayo Clinic is so highly thought of is their collaborative methods of consultation between a number of medical specialists in diagnosing and treating health needs. The CDC operates in much the same way.

“Common sense” is always appreciated, but my reading of CDC data or recommendations is not the question here. My “common sense” is of little value in deciphering highly complex scientific data. I’m not trained or educated to do that. “Common sense” only comes into play as it informs my willingness to trust and then practice CDC and other appropriate health agency guidelines when trying to protect myself and family from the virus.

As a child we might be told by a parent not to touch the stove top because it’s hot, yet, some of us will touch it anyway. “Common sense” will tell us not to touch it again, still we’ve got to deal with the initial burned fingers. An old country song by Merle Haggard comes to mind...with the lyric “I turned 21 in prison doing life with no parole...Mama always told me better”

It’s said wisdom to make the right decision comes from experience, and that experience comes from making poor decisions. It would appear that there is a pandemic of stubborn independence at play in our country over how to respond to COVID medical advice. It’s a stubbornness that clings to an immature notion that an “eye test” can guide us (some variation of I can’t see the virus, so it must not be real) or “only 10% of the country has caught it and most people recover” so I’ll take my chances.

In another thread (the one on whether we would have sports in the Fall of 2020...the thread is now locked in OT) I shared an insight from a medical pro at another university about the trajectory of COVID deaths in the U.S.
I can’t remember the exact date of my post (it was around late Spring or early Summer), and the insight from my medical pro was that there would be 300k deaths attributable to COVID by March, 2021...the anniversary of COVID’s nasty breakout. One of the responses to that post was a cry of disbelief and denial.

Most all of us are suffering from COVID fatigue, and I don’t mean to beat you up Nation, or BDK or any of the other fine JMU sports fans who are essentially “COVID Deniers”...or at the very least, in the camp that want to minimize the impact of this terrible virus. Yet, I am tired not so much of the isolation and restrictions placed on us by this disease, but on the unwillingness to accept the reality of this virus, and that if we would all just put aside our objections for a short period of time we could return to a more normal life.

End of rant.

You make the mistake of reading a post and placing your own meaning to it. Common sense does come from education and experience by the way. Others call it street smarts. I don’t need to CYA when someone else attaches their interpretation of my post. My replies are simply an effort to accurately state what I said as I endure angry judgmental people jumping at the chance to rip others apart for their perceived opinions.

The CDC stat I referred to was 2000 deaths in people 30 and under. That age covers all high school and college age kids plus most of the pros. Don’t you think it would have been all over the news if any of those 2000 was an athlete? Don’t you think sports would have been halted altogether if this demographic was experiencing severe illness from Covid? My common sense says there would be no amateur or pro sports if this was or became the case. We all follow sports pretty closely. I haven’t heard of a Covid death on ESPN, CBS, YAHOO or my local station. Have you? If it has happened, it is highly, highly remote.

Our leaders should not be shutting down games because of positive tests in high school, college and pro athletes. I know you don’t agree with this but it is my opinion based on one years data. These folks aren’t dying or being hospitalized. The overwhelming majority are asymptomatic. We want the virus to pass among the asymptomatic group. This along with immunizations will get us to herd immunity.

The scientific data overwhelmingly shows this is a disease that hits the elderly and those that are insulin resistant. I read the CDC statistics. I watch the news reports. I have seen presentations on the subject matter all in an effort to educate myself and protect my loved ones. Everything I have learned and experienced “eye test” supports the data I see by the CDC. Yes the eye test by itself isn’t enough. I would hope you would assume that but you like to assume people are stupid and then blast them for their stupidity. I like to read/educate first then apply the eye test. What is the old saying? Believe none of what you read, half of what you hear and 100% of what you see with your own two eyes. The “science” needs to be validated with real life for me otherwise it is an educated guess just like your professional who predicted 300k deaths.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...lications/

Age is the largest factor in risk to complications, we've known that for a long time. So young people are less at risk and should be unrestricted in their movements so they can gain immunity? That's what your common sense tells you? That's the best way to protect the more vulnerable? By having a virus run more freely among society but keeping it restricted to the young and healthy? So what does your common sense tell you of the 58 year old woman with COPD that works with several 20 somethings that are going to bars 4 days a week? Do you think Covid sneaks into nursing homes through the airducts in the middle of the night?

(02-26-2021 11:28 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Here is Saturday's (2/27) Schedule:

1. Indoor Track and Field is competing in the Mason Winter Fiesta - all day event
2A. Softball has a Double header at UVA: at UVA - Noon - ACCNX
2B. Softball: vs GWU - 5:30 PM - just Live Stats/Twitter
3. Football: vs Bobby Morris - Noon - Flo/NBCSW+/etc.
4. Swimming and Diving: hosting the Duke Dog Diving Invite - Noon - follow along on Twitter
5. Volleyball: at UNCW - 1 PM - Stretch Internet/CAA.tv
6. Men's Tennis: at VCU - 1 PM - Live Stats/Twitter
7. Women's Basketball: at Drexel - 1 PM - Flo
8. Men's Soccer: at GMU - 2 PM - ESPN+

This super season is intense!

Thanks. Lots of action. I’m happy for the student athletes.

(02-26-2021 12:40 PM)Dukesfan71 Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 11:28 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Here is Saturday's (2/27) Schedule:

1. Indoor Track and Field is competing in the Mason Winter Fiesta - all day event
2A. Softball has a Double header at UVA: at UVA - Noon - ACCNX
2B. Softball: vs GWU - 5:30 PM - just Live Stats/Twitter
3. Football: vs Bobby Morris - Noon - Flo/NBCSW+/etc.
4. Swimming and Diving: hosting the Duke Dog Diving Invite - Noon - follow along on Twitter
5. Volleyball: at UNCW - 1 PM - Stretch Internet/CAA.tv
6. Men's Tennis: at VCU - 1 PM - Live Stats/Twitter
7. Women's Basketball: at Drexel - 1 PM - Flo
8. Men's Soccer: at GMU - 2 PM - ESPN+

This super season is intense!

Thanks. Lots of action. I’m happy for the student athletes.

Not sure if it is because of the mix of home and away, but I wish Flo would show more of these events. I mean, they have Flo Swimming; why not include the Diving competition (and yes, I know Swimming and Diving are different, but they are the same team so let's just roll with it). Also interesting that UNCW has their volleyball match on Stretch, since there is Flo Volleyball and JMU has already had away matches on there (the one against Delaware was on Flo).

Quick note: When I say I wish Flo would show more of these events, it's because if I'm paying this much for it, I want all the damn sports I can get. Not that I necessarily believe Flo is a great product. Their UI/UX team should be fired. It is damn impossible to find games and their listings have no discernible rhyme or reason.

(02-26-2021 11:28 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Here is Saturday's (2/27) Schedule:

1. Indoor Track and Field is competing in the Mason Winter Fiesta - all day event
2A. Softball has a Double header at UVA: at UVA - Noon - ACCNX
2B. Softball: vs GWU - 5:30 PM - just Live Stats/Twitter
3. Football: vs Bobby Morris - Noon - Flo/NBCSW+/etc.
4. Swimming and Diving: hosting the Duke Dog Diving Invite - Noon - follow along on Twitter
5. Volleyball: at UNCW - 1 PM - Stretch Internet/CAA.tv
6. Men's Tennis: at VCU - 1 PM - Live Stats/Twitter
7. Women's Basketball: at Drexel - 1 PM - Flo
8. Men's Soccer: at GMU - 2 PM - ESPN+

This super season is intense!

Thanks AD.

Of course the two one's I'm most interested are playing at the same time. (football or softball)


So is softball on the ACC TV Network, or internet?

Ideally I would watch football. Hope Curt does not give the Softball score and watch softball after the football game. I can dvr softball if it's on TV.

I'm not sure how the ACC TV thing works. I know there is the ACC Network, but this one is on ACC Network Extra, and I don't know if that is a linear or streaming option

(02-26-2021 02:34 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I'm not sure how the ACC TV thing works. I know there is the ACC Network, but this one is on ACC Network Extra, and I don't know if that is a linear or streaming option

ACC Network Extra is streaming only. No TV. If your provider (cable, satellite, online such as YouTubeTV) offers ACC Network and it is in your package - i.e., you can get the ACC Network TV channel - then you have access to ACC Network Extra.

All you have to do is either: 1) click on the link provided at either JMU or UVA in this case official athletics page(s) or 2) go to https://www.espn.com/watch/ and then click on the option "Schedule & Replays" and scroll down for the link to the game, which will appear 5 minutes before scheduled game time. If you go there and try to find it 6 minutes before game time, the link will not show (not kidding).

Depending on if you have logged into your provider or not, the link will either take you direct to the streaming of the game (if you are logged in) or will take you to a page where you choose your provider (cable company, DISH, YouTubeTV, etc.) and then you login with your provider credentials. ESPN will verify via your provider that you have access and then will bring the event up.

Hope this helps.

(02-26-2021 06:43 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 02:34 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  I'm not sure how the ACC TV thing works. I know there is the ACC Network, but this one is on ACC Network Extra, and I don't know if that is a linear or streaming option

ACC Network Extra is streaming only. No TV. If your provider (cable, satellite, online such as YouTubeTV) offers ACC Network and it is in your package - i.e., you can get the ACC Network TV channel - then you have access to ACC Network Extra.

All you have to do is either: 1) click on the link provided at either JMU or UVA in this case official athletics page(s) or 2) go to https://www.espn.com/watch/ and then click on the option "Schedule & Replays" and scroll down for the link to the game, which will appear 5 minutes before scheduled game time. If you go there and try to find it 6 minutes before game time, the link will not show (not kidding).

Depending on if you have logged into your provider or not, the link will either take you direct to the streaming of the game (if you are logged in) or will take you to a page where you choose your provider (cable company, DISH, YouTubeTV, etc.) and then you login with your provider credentials. ESPN will verify via your provider that you have access and then will bring the event up.

Hope this helps.

I mean, I know how to access it. I have watched on there before by clicking on the link through ESPN. I just never knew how/why I had access. While I have ESPN+, I still use my parents FIOS log in info for the linear stuff. That does help explain the particulars though

Dukes go 2-1 on the day. Volleyball wins in 5 sets, Lacrosse wins in OT. Men's Basketball played well, but Drexel played better. I think the freshmen were a little too eager today, but I am still confident heading into the CAAT

I’m glad Lacrosse won. Curt said they were down a goal with a minute to go.

(02-26-2021 12:05 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 08:39 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 05:10 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 12:56 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 10:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  The “eye test” and “common sense” outweighs factual, scientific data?

Okay.

Is the data being shared by the CDC good enough for you? Have you read it? I have. The CDC data and the “eye test” align with each other but go ahead and take one sentence from a long post so you can change the context of what was shared.

Name one amateur or professional athlete that has died from Covid. Lots of positive tests. No hospitalizations nor deaths. Why is this? Could it be because they are in great physical condition and not insulin resistant?

What scientific data are you referring to? Are you saying the CDC information is wrong?

Nice try at CYA.

Are you confident that out of over the 500k+ COVID related deaths (and counting) there are zero athletes? Amateur or professional? How many COVID deaths of people that you would describe as “athletic” would it take to make your thesis null and void? One? Two? Several hundred or a thousand? You might want to rethink your rather hyperbolic claim that no athletes have died of COVID.

As for CDC data that has guided our best attempts to understand this horrible virus, I don’t think the “eye test” is a CDC measurement.

Interpretation of scientific data (just like specialized data from other fields of professional knowledge) will almost always vary depending on the training, level of education, experience and background of the person (or persons) doing the interpreting. But making an important decision based on an “eye test”? Really? That’s how you roll with other important decisions in your life?

One of the reasons the Mayo Clinic is so highly thought of is their collaborative methods of consultation between a number of medical specialists in diagnosing and treating health needs. The CDC operates in much the same way.

“Common sense” is always appreciated, but my reading of CDC data or recommendations is not the question here. My “common sense” is of little value in deciphering highly complex scientific data. I’m not trained or educated to do that. “Common sense” only comes into play as it informs my willingness to trust and then practice CDC and other appropriate health agency guidelines when trying to protect myself and family from the virus.

As a child we might be told by a parent not to touch the stove top because it’s hot, yet, some of us will touch it anyway. “Common sense” will tell us not to touch it again, still we’ve got to deal with the initial burned fingers. An old country song by Merle Haggard comes to mind...with the lyric “I turned 21 in prison doing life with no parole...Mama always told me better”

It’s said wisdom to make the right decision comes from experience, and that experience comes from making poor decisions. It would appear that there is a pandemic of stubborn independence at play in our country over how to respond to COVID medical advice. It’s a stubbornness that clings to an immature notion that an “eye test” can guide us (some variation of I can’t see the virus, so it must not be real) or “only 10% of the country has caught it and most people recover” so I’ll take my chances.

In another thread (the one on whether we would have sports in the Fall of 2020...the thread is now locked in OT) I shared an insight from a medical pro at another university about the trajectory of COVID deaths in the U.S.
I can’t remember the exact date of my post (it was around late Spring or early Summer), and the insight from my medical pro was that there would be 300k deaths attributable to COVID by March, 2021...the anniversary of COVID’s nasty breakout. One of the responses to that post was a cry of disbelief and denial.

Most all of us are suffering from COVID fatigue, and I don’t mean to beat you up Nation, or BDK or any of the other fine JMU sports fans who are essentially “COVID Deniers”...or at the very least, in the camp that want to minimize the impact of this terrible virus. Yet, I am tired not so much of the isolation and restrictions placed on us by this disease, but on the unwillingness to accept the reality of this virus, and that if we would all just put aside our objections for a short period of time we could return to a more normal life.

End of rant.

You make the mistake of reading a post and placing your own meaning to it. Common sense does come from education and experience by the way. Others call it street smarts. I don’t need to CYA when someone else attaches their interpretation of my post. My replies are simply an effort to accurately state what I said as I endure angry judgmental people jumping at the chance to rip others apart for their perceived opinions.

The CDC stat I referred to was 2000 deaths in people 30 and under. That age covers all high school and college age kids plus most of the pros. Don’t you think it would have been all over the news if any of those 2000 was an athlete? Don’t you think sports would have been halted altogether if this demographic was experiencing severe illness from Covid? My common sense says there would be no amateur or pro sports if this was or became the case. We all follow sports pretty closely. I haven’t heard of a Covid death on ESPN, CBS, YAHOO or my local station. Have you? If it has happened, it is highly, highly remote.

Our leaders should not be shutting down games because of positive tests in high school, college and pro athletes. I know you don’t agree with this but it is my opinion based on one years data. These folks aren’t dying or being hospitalized. The overwhelming majority are asymptomatic. We want the virus to pass among the asymptomatic group. This along with immunizations will get us to herd immunity.

The scientific data overwhelmingly shows this is a disease that hits the elderly and those that are insulin resistant. I read the CDC statistics. I watch the news reports. I have seen presentations on the subject matter all in an effort to educate myself and protect my loved ones. Everything I have learned and experienced “eye test” supports the data I see by the CDC. Yes the eye test by itself isn’t enough. I would hope you would assume that but you like to assume people are stupid and then blast them for their stupidity. I like to read/educate first then apply the eye test. What is the old saying? Believe none of what you read, half of what you hear and 100% of what you see with your own two eyes. The “science” needs to be validated with real life for me otherwise it is an educated guess just like your professional who predicted 300k deaths.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...lications/

Age is the largest factor in risk to complications, we've known that for a long time. So young people are less at risk and should be unrestricted in their movements so they can gain immunity? That's what your common sense tells you? That's the best way to protect the more vulnerable? By having a virus run more freely among society but keeping it restricted to the young and healthy? So what does your common sense tell you of the 58 year old woman with COPD that works with several 20 somethings that are going to bars 4 days a week? Do you think Covid sneaks into nursing homes through the airducts in the middle of the night?

My 85 year old mother with COPD just got over Covid so I do understand your concern. The truth is Covid is getting to these folks anyway because the workers bring it into the retirement communities. We can’t stop it from happening. Herd immunity is the only recourse against this virus. Between those that have had it, immunizations and asymptomatic cases, there is a greater chance now to get to herd immunity faster.

If I am 58 with COPD, you can rest assured I am staying away from people and employers would do all they can to help the employee stay safe. They are all scared of lawsuits.

Another (almost) neighboring state to VA eases restrictions. PA just announced upping capacity to 15% indoor, 20% outdoor, effective immediately. VA has Gov of the same party & better #s. Don't know what why can't do the same thing.

My mind when scanning the recent threads...."Haven't all sports returned? Why is the "tracking the return" post so active lately? Let's check it out."
My mind after opening the thread...."ABORT! ABORT!"

(03-01-2021 01:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  My mind when scanning the recent threads...."Haven't all sports returned? Why is the "tracking the return" post so active lately? Let's check it out."
My mind after opening the thread...."ABORT! ABORT!"

Yes, thankfully all sports have returned at JMU.

Time to move this to OT.

(02-25-2021 10:07 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I have known Dunk for over 20 years and I can promise you he cares about the people who have passed by this virus. The number of deaths that have occurred have done so under lockdowns so you can’t attribute them to what Dunk is suggesting. The question all of us should be asking is do lockdowns lessen the number of deaths permanently or just delay them? Maybe they were the best course in the beginning but not now?

There is data available today that wasn’t available one year ago. The health science often changes over time as we learn what we once believed isn’t accurate even though it was supported with science at the time. For example, in the ‘60s we were told saturated fats were the culprit for heart diseases. In the ‘80s lowering cholesterol was all the rage. Don’t eat eggs for goodness sakes. Today we have evolved to learn that neither of these are necessarily true. The culprit of insulin resistance is ultra processed carbohydrates. Keto and Paleo diets are helping people lose weight and get healthy. Natural foods some high in saturated fat and cholesterol are actually better for you than the low fat, low calorie replacement foods sold to us to help not gain weight.

You can’t believe everything you read on the internet or hear in the news. Digging your heels in on a subject and not staying open to new data as it emerges is just as ignorant as not educating ourselves at all.

The data clearly shows that Coronavirus has overwhelmingly been tough on the over 80 population. People with underlying health issues whose health status was already fragile. Of the population below 80, the majority of those deaths were people who were insulin resistant. The amount of obesity in the US is a far worse pandemic than Corona virus. The outrage we feel as Americans should be directed toward our big corporate food manufacturers who sweeten every processed food to the point where we all have become addicted to its taste rather focus on its nutritional value. This is why losing weight is so hard.

Compare the death and hospitalization data of Florida and California. Cali has the toughest social distancing rules and Florida the most relaxed. Compare Sweden and Scotland. In both of these cases, the data suggests that lockdowns might flatten the curve in the short term but over the long term they actually have little impact on deaths. Go look at the work of Ivor Cummings of Dublin Ireland on this subject. He is a biochemist not a politician.

The world locked down because China did it first with success. There wasn’t a years worth of data at that time. Just a single observation point. The world followed China and locked down.

Any medical doctor will tell you that viruses don’t go away. They mutate. The immunizations occurring now are basically a flu shot. My own 85 year old mother was inoculated with her first shot and three days later became symptomatic. The shot didn’t give her Covid-19. It may have saved her life by lessening the severity of the virus. It also didn’t prevent Covid-19. Sounds a lot like a flu shot type of thing to me. My Stepmother, brother and niece all were symptomatic with Covid-19. None of them hospitalized but all experienced a bad virus.

As Virginia opens back up, cases will rise again but hopefully not too badly. With immunizations, antibodies present in those who have had it and warmer weather, things look favorable. My educated guess is next holiday season we will see another spike but let’s hope a much smaller one.

What I do see in the CDC data is very little impact from this disease in those under 50. The number is 20,000 deaths involving COVID-19. Key word is “involving” meaning it wasn’t the only factor. It is almost nonexistent under 30. Common sense tells me this is the population that should be allowed to freely move about and pass the virus amongst each other. This isn’t a reckless abandonment of consideration for our Seniors. It is done to protect them by building up the herd immunity in addition to immunizations. Lockdowns haven’t saved lives because the disease has found its way into nursing homes and retirement communities any way thus killing the population susceptible to it. Lockdowns haven’t protected them they simply have flattened the curve and spread out the cases over a longer period of time allowing our health professionals time to figure out what this virus does and who is most vulnerable. With this knowledge, leaders are better prepared to make educated decisions if they don’t dig their heels in or try to save face because maybe what the science originally said wasn’t 100% correct just like the science on cholesterol in eggs and saturated animal fats.

Thanks for the kind words, Nation.

This person has made these judgmental calls on you, me and others without knowing the first f#%^ing about any of us.

I know Purple, Foatty’s Dad and Dukeman better than I know this person, or he/she knows me, which is to say slightly better than zero.

Seems he/she may well be indulging in some preconceived judgments.

AKA, prejudice.

Way out of line, no one has addressed you personally.

May want to check your privilege, person.

(02-25-2021 11:44 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 11:15 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 10:34 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 12:21 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 11:36 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  30% but capped? Why would you cap it? What is the science behind capping it?

Why wait until march 1st? Is anything going to change appreciably in 3 days?

Yes.

30% cap is science, and the Rona knows that getting to 31-2% is reckless.

Sheer insanity. We are wrecking peoples livesand kids, over something that has infected fewer than 10% of our people, and 99% of the infected survive. Prove me wrong.

How long do we live in fear? I'm not wearing a face diaper for the next 30 years, and neither should anyone else here.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker...rendscases

Real science taint political. Take a looksey.

Closer to 98% just based on that data but both the number infected and the number of deaths are likely significantly undercounted. Wait until the excess deaths for 2020 are released, it was the deadliest year in a century. Plus about 10% or so that do survive are "longhaulers". There's good reason to be cautious. "Living in fear" is propaganda.

Isnt every year usually the deadliest year in history? I also think its worth noting we have had pretty mild flu years for the last two, which may have contributed to excess deaths this year.

COVID is very real, it caused significant excess deaths, particularly in the frail and over 65 community. This is not controversial. What is controversial is what we are alleging is helping the problem. Over testing asymptomatic people, locking down and closing schools have all been catastrophic public health failures because they do nothing to appreciably stop the spread of covid.

No. What's the flu have to do with excess deaths? What makes you think that those measures aren't slowing the spread if the virus? The spread in schools may be relatively low (though would you have been willing to bet on that last fall if you were an administrator) but the spread in bars is very high, thus "lockdown" measures such as cutting off alcohol sales at 10pm. You only have to look at Sweden and it's neighbors to tell if lockdowns have any appreciable effect. 12,800 deaths in Sweden, that's 1,262/M compared to it's closest neighbor Norway which has 600 deaths at 114/M.

Very High.

1.4% attributable to restaurants. Perhaps somewhat higher at a whiskey bar.

So what? At what point do we make decisions for ourselves, and yes, loved ones and decide based on that?

We are ruining people’s lives over this. It simultaneously astounds me, confounds me, amuses me and bemuses me how so many arrogant F#%^’s who likely haven’t missed a paycheck in a year, or don’t have kids, or have them in some private school or elsewhere, don’t have any idea what this is doing to vast swaths of people.

You wanna see the “increase in deaths”? Fine. Go look up the suicides (especially young people), OD’s, domestic violence, divorce rates, any number of measures of this lunacy.

Land of the Free and home of the Brave my Ass. We’ve become an entire nation of cowards and go-alongs.

F-that, Millennial.

(02-25-2021 12:15 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(02-25-2021 11:45 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Countdown to thread being locked due to “discussion fatigue”

It's close.

This thread is not about deliberating whether you believe in COVID 19 or not. Let's keep it to JMU sports and the impacts COVID19 is having, and less about Dunk's choice to ignore guidelines to reduce the spread of a highly infectious virus or other stats we can come up with to support or deny it.

Sorry Deez. I’ve followed EVERY. SINGLE. GUIDELINE. Since January ‘20. Wife and kids hated me for 3 months over my persistence.

Been shot up twice now as a frontline 1A worker and wear a mask and use sanitizer and other as frequently you or anyone else you care to bring up.

So, yea. Likely don’t try that happy horseschit, I’m talking about the science. The studies. The actual numbers.
Not the fear porn. I’ll leave that to you I guess.

Last question on this issue/thread- we’ve had a LOT of cancellations, say on MBB this season, rightly so to stop the spread. How many hospitalizations or deaths? Why are all these coaches “masked up”, but wear them over their beards instead of their mouths or nose?

C’mon, man

(03-02-2021 12:56 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Last question on this issue/thread- we’ve had a LOT of cancellations, say on MBB this season, rightly so to stop the spread. How many hospitalizations or deaths? Why are all these coaches “masked up”, but wear them over their beards instead of their mouths or nose?

C’mon, man

And why do the players and coaches sit so far away from each other only to pop up and huddle up together without masks? These guys live, eat, travel, practice and bang bodies with each other and then share locker room space together afterwards but need to have the 20 people spaced out all over on the bench during a game?

Yeah Dunk - I take/took similar precautions. Even when DJ came home from
college we avoided the hugs. I avoided the hugs at home for my daughter. Just some minor (I thought), but practical inconveniences. My wife and daughter have been double vac'd. I get my second vac on Monday. I feel much safer, and not sure I really need a mask. That said I will not mind wearing a mask at times in the future just so others feel more comfortable.

I hear the "men" say I don't need a damn mask. I envision them pounded their chests thinking how tough they are. People who believe in the science, don't see those people as tough, they see them as um non science or not logical. To me the mask provides more benefits to others, than the user.

I take the precautions and live life "relatively" the same. I'll take delayed events, or sports seasons that don't feel quite the same. I'll even take DJ II missing a normal freshman year at high school which has happened. The sooner more people take the right steps, the sooner we return to norm.....

I'm still hopeful & optimistic by September 1 this is will be, at the very least, materially behind us.

Texas removes mask mandates and opens businesses to 100%. This is good, but only 11 months too late