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RE: Tracking the return of JMU sports (no discussions of validity of covid pandemic)
I heard from a high school wrestling coach that wrestling has already been canceled, and that's a winter sport. Understandable with the up close contact.
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(06-24-2020 08:26 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  The fact of the matter remains, it is almost July and still nobody knows. The AD's don't know. The NCAA doesn't know. The University Prez's don't know.

I read yesterday in an article by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that my alma mater's (Ga Tech) AD, Todd Stansbury, just made a presentation to the athletic board that outlined 4 different home football attendance scenarios:

1. Full capacity allowed
2. Half capacity allowed
3. 25% capacity allowed
4. No fans

So, they don't know. This is just football. He also has to worry about volleyball and other sports.

The article then went on to talk about the decisions that would have to be made about concessions, will pre- and post-game on-campus gatherings be allowed (i.e., tailgating), student attendance policies, and so forth. Point being, it is much bigger as we all know than just a bunch of folks showing up for a game inside the stadium.

GT rarely sells out its home stadium and when it does it is usually filled with orange Clemson or red UGA fans (sad to say for me). But, at places like Clemson and UGA, if they limit their season ticket holder base to 30-50% capacity, it will be interesting to see what's going to happen when they tell folks who have contributed to the athletics funds for years that they are not allowed in. Not saying that will happen, but it won't be popular if it does. They don't know...yet. We are inching closer and closer to when some, if not all, of these decisions will have to be made. I sense many are "monitoring the situation" to see what others decide to do. The state/local governments have a part to play as well of course. I bet there is at least one AD in this country who would like the state Gov to make a decision so he/she won't be potentially viewed as a scapegoat.

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Exactly. Nobody knows, and football camps are supposed to be opening up for all within the next week or two.

I admit there are some people on here that know and have their arms firmly around the situation. I wonder if those same folks knew in March we would be without sports for 3 months. Wonder if they knew 50% of economy would be shut down. While it's important to review the results of the last three months, it's quite different to project those to an environment that has opened up, where many see no need for masks or distancing, and teams "attempt" to get games restarted. Yep, it will be 4 months at the earliest until professional teams resume games. The President says if we had not taken the precautions we did, Millions would of died. He can't prove that, and obviously nobody can disprove it.

As far as the return to athletics - I look at the events that have occurred. There is nothing that indicates to me any college football games will start as scheduled.

A lot of people are not concerned anymore. I recognize and see that on here, on TV, and in person. I see more that are more, than a little, concerned. Some seem to only recognize how they feel people should see things.

Getting back to uncertainties on health of individuals, and their families - many, if not most, will side of safety.
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(06-24-2020 07:48 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-23-2020 11:12 PM)Purple Wrote:  
(06-23-2020 10:45 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  I'll go out on a limb and make a bet 0 college athletes will die from covid

But, wait! Young college football player gets hit by a bus and is rushed to the hospital where docs examine his massive head trauma.

Doc 1: "What do you think?"

Doc 2: "Looks like COVID to me. No need to test. Get him on a vent, stat, before he dies!"


As far as I recall buses have not effecting athletics to this point.

Covid 19 has crushed athletics at this point. It's hardly a viable comparison.

I hope no athletes die. I'm not going to put my head in the sand and claim I know everything as I believe many seem to do. It will probably be more likely a coach dies, versus athlete, but I do "think" Covid will likely take a life of some currently involved with sports. It will likely be rationalized by some they were 65, or they had a pre-existing condition and probably just died with it, not due to it. Call me Kreskin.

While many will rationalize it away, keep in mind just testing positive to it is closing down camps all over the place. A death will likely change things substantially.

Karl-Anthony Towns’ mother has already died from it and I’ve thought all along she’s a great example of how hard it is to expect pro and college athletes to go compete even if in empty stadiums and arenas. I badly want sports back but man, if JMU football travels all over the CAA then some player picks it up and it ends up killing one of his parents...

I don’t know, if we get sports back I’m gonna enjoy it and support my teams but if we don’t I’ll understand.
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https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/broo...-covid-19/

Once again in professional sports - two of the 5 top golfers in the world take a break from the tour due to Covid 19 (and they did not even test positive for it), but college kids with power through? Explain that to parents, and even the athletes. Not going to happen.

Don't these golfers realize there is no issue/concerns to be had with this flu?

Pros will walk away from a Million Dollar potential payday, but send the kids on the fields!

Look at what is happening, not what you think should be happening.

As I continue to say my risk tolerance is higher than most, but I can still see what is right there in front of me with much, if not most, of the population.

There are many people who will go to games and be damned if they will wear a mask, but that is the minority.

Sadly Covid cases were at an all time high yesterday, but thankfully we are headed to the more obvious beneficial position of requiring masks. Our trends our worse then other countries.

I want sports and the economy back. Less a vaccine, the quickest way to get them back is through masks and social distancing. How in the world did masks, social distancing, and even the recognition of the biggest pandemic in 100 years become political and divisive?

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(06-25-2020 08:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/broo...-covid-19/

Once again in professional sports - two of the 5 top golfers in the world take a break from the tour due to Covid 19 (and they did not even test positive for it), but college kids with power through? Explain that to parents, and even the athletes. Not going to happen.

Don't these golfers realize there is no issue/concerns to be had with this flu?

Pros will walk away from a Million Dollar potential payday, but send the kids on the fields!

Look at what is happening, not what you think should be happening.

As I continue to say my risk tolerance is higher than most, but I can still see what is right there in front of me with much, if not most, of the population.

There are many people who will go to games and be damned if they will wear a mask, but that is the minority.

Sadly Covid cases were at an all time high yesterday, but thankfully we are headed to the more obvious beneficial position of requiring masks. Our trends our worse then other countries.

I want sports and the economy back. Less a vaccine, the quickest way to get them back is through masks and social distancing. How in the world did masks, social distancing, and even the recognition of the biggest pandemic in 100 years become political and divisive?

01-wingedeagle

And yet as of today the following leagues are moving forward with plans to resume:
- MLB
- NBA
- NHL
- NFL

And those such as the following have already resumed:
- NASCAR
- SuperCross/Motocross

Sure 2 pro golfers for their own reasons chose to sit out. Anyone in any sport could choose to sit out as well, that is their personal choice/decision.

Lets just crawl into a hole again and shut it all down b/c 2 golfers decided not too play.
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(06-25-2020 08:33 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/broo...-covid-19/

Once again in professional sports - two of the 5 top golfers in the world take a break from the tour due to Covid 19 (and they did not even test positive for it), but college kids with power through? Explain that to parents, and even the athletes. Not going to happen.

Don't these golfers realize there is no issue/concerns to be had with this flu?

Pros will walk away from a Million Dollar potential payday, but send the kids on the fields!

Look at what is happening, not what you think should be happening.

As I continue to say my risk tolerance is higher than most, but I can still see what is right there in front of me with much, if not most, of the population.

There are many people who will go to games and be damned if they will wear a mask, but that is the minority.

Sadly Covid cases were at an all time high yesterday, but thankfully we are headed to the more obvious beneficial position of requiring masks. Our trends our worse then other countries.

I want sports and the economy back. Less a vaccine, the quickest way to get them back is through masks and social distancing. How in the world did masks, social distancing, and even the recognition of the biggest pandemic in 100 years become political and divisive?

01-wingedeagle

And yet as of today the following leagues are moving forward with plans to resume:
- MLB
- NBA
- NHL
- NFL

And those such as the following have already resumed:
- NASCAR
- SuperCross/Motocross

Sure 2 pro golfers for their own reasons chose to sit out. Anyone in any sport could choose to sit out as well, that is their personal choice/decision.

Lets just crawl into a hole again and shut it all down b/c 2 golfers decided not too play.

Yep Shady - "planning" and perhaps a better word "hoping". Best case scenario in all those situations team sports without fans. At best in another month. Other countries have already begun their pro sports leagues, and it's not because they have a bigger tolerance, it's because they have done a better job of reducing the cases.

And Shady, don't know how you missed it, but it's not just 2 golfers, it is many college teams and pro teams. And practices have not even resumed for the vast majority of teams.

So let me get this right -

Your solution is:

No Face Masks
No Social Distance
Admit this is just the flu
And open everything up exactly as it was - we gotta live!

Here's my thought:

Limit the spread by
- Require Masks
- Create social distance
Which will reduce spread and create declining cases
More quickly get back
- Sports
- Business
- back to the way of life we want

Thankfully this is the way we are heading"


Quote:Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak has ordered all Nevadans and Silver State tourists to wear face coverings in public and inside private businesses, like the many beckoning resorts dotting The Strip.

"Wearing mask coverings save lives, period. End of story," Sisolak said during a Wednesday evening press conference. "We owe it to each other to accept the fact that wearing face mask coverings saves lives."


Many of the southern states, including Florida are "beginning" to understand.
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(06-25-2020 09:21 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:33 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/broo...-covid-19/

Once again in professional sports - two of the 5 top golfers in the world take a break from the tour due to Covid 19 (and they did not even test positive for it), but college kids with power through? Explain that to parents, and even the athletes. Not going to happen.

Don't these golfers realize there is no issue/concerns to be had with this flu?

Pros will walk away from a Million Dollar potential payday, but send the kids on the fields!

Look at what is happening, not what you think should be happening.

As I continue to say my risk tolerance is higher than most, but I can still see what is right there in front of me with much, if not most, of the population.

There are many people who will go to games and be damned if they will wear a mask, but that is the minority.

Sadly Covid cases were at an all time high yesterday, but thankfully we are headed to the more obvious beneficial position of requiring masks. Our trends our worse then other countries.

I want sports and the economy back. Less a vaccine, the quickest way to get them back is through masks and social distancing. How in the world did masks, social distancing, and even the recognition of the biggest pandemic in 100 years become political and divisive?

01-wingedeagle

And yet as of today the following leagues are moving forward with plans to resume:
- MLB
- NBA
- NHL
- NFL

And those such as the following have already resumed:
- NASCAR
- SuperCross/Motocross

Sure 2 pro golfers for their own reasons chose to sit out. Anyone in any sport could choose to sit out as well, that is their personal choice/decision.

Lets just crawl into a hole again and shut it all down b/c 2 golfers decided not too play.

Yep Shady - "planning" and perhaps a better word "hoping". Best case scenario in all those situations team sports without fans. At best in another month. Other countries have already begun their pro sports leagues, and it's not because they have a bigger tolerance, it's because they have done a better job of reducing the cases.

And Shady, don't know how you missed it, but it's not just 2 golfers, it is many college teams and pro teams. And practices have not even resumed for the vast majority of teams.

So let me get this right -

Your solution is:

No Face Masks
No Social Distance
Admit this is just the flu
And open everything up exactly as it was - we gotta live!

Here's my thought:

Limit the spread by
- Require Masks
- Create social distance
Which will reduce spread and create declining cases
More quickly get back
- Sports
- Business
- back to the way of life we want

Thankfully this is the way we are heading"


Quote:Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak has ordered all Nevadans and Silver State tourists to wear face coverings in public and inside private businesses, like the many beckoning resorts dotting The Strip.

"Wearing mask coverings save lives, period. End of story," Sisolak said during a Wednesday evening press conference. "We owe it to each other to accept the fact that wearing face mask coverings saves lives."


Many of the southern states, including Florida are "beginning" to understand.

Parts of Florida are getting it. Parts of the US are getting it.
The question is: what did it take for them to finally get it?
It's the typical selfish response: they don't care until it happens to them. So many don't know of anyone or haven't experienced what this virus does or what it can do. When they encounter it or someone they love it becomes real and they then start to care.
Case in point: I live in Southwest Virginia. Coronavirus has not hit here in big numbers.... yet. When you go anywhere, there are less than half the people wearing masks. People not adhering to social distancing. It's very frustrating. The mask levels will go up when:
-They are enforced. Putting a sign outside a business saying masks are required but then half the people come into the establishment without them and they do nothing about it. These businesses need to do more and need to enforce the regulations.
-People are seriously concerned about it. This usually happens when it's too late. People either experience someone they know and love or something happens that makes them finally wake up and believe their health and the health of their loved ones is truly at risk.

The sooner everyone does this, the more things we will be able to do and the sooner this whole thing will end. Until then, expect things to get even worse than they are now.... because they will. Much, much worse.
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This morning the NFL announced it is canceling Hall of Fame weekend, which is usually around the first weekend of August. Other than OTA's and other off-season workouts, this is the first significant cancelation by the NFL to my knowledge...and, I applaud them as I think it is a wise move. I fully expect we will see more as I don't see things getting significantly better thru July.
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(06-25-2020 09:21 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:33 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/broo...-covid-19/

Once again in professional sports - two of the 5 top golfers in the world take a break from the tour due to Covid 19 (and they did not even test positive for it), but college kids with power through? Explain that to parents, and even the athletes. Not going to happen.

Don't these golfers realize there is no issue/concerns to be had with this flu?

Pros will walk away from a Million Dollar potential payday, but send the kids on the fields!

Look at what is happening, not what you think should be happening.

As I continue to say my risk tolerance is higher than most, but I can still see what is right there in front of me with much, if not most, of the population.

There are many people who will go to games and be damned if they will wear a mask, but that is the minority.

Sadly Covid cases were at an all time high yesterday, but thankfully we are headed to the more obvious beneficial position of requiring masks. Our trends our worse then other countries.

I want sports and the economy back. Less a vaccine, the quickest way to get them back is through masks and social distancing. How in the world did masks, social distancing, and even the recognition of the biggest pandemic in 100 years become political and divisive?

01-wingedeagle

And yet as of today the following leagues are moving forward with plans to resume:
- MLB
- NBA
- NHL
- NFL

And those such as the following have already resumed:
- NASCAR
- SuperCross/Motocross

Sure 2 pro golfers for their own reasons chose to sit out. Anyone in any sport could choose to sit out as well, that is their personal choice/decision.

Lets just crawl into a hole again and shut it all down b/c 2 golfers decided not too play.

Yep Shady - "planning" and perhaps a better word "hoping". Best case scenario in all those situations team sports without fans. At best in another month. Other countries have already begun their pro sports leagues, and it's not because they have a bigger tolerance, it's because they have done a better job of reducing the cases.

And Shady, don't know how you missed it, but it's not just 2 golfers, it is many college teams and pro teams. And practices have not even resumed for the vast majority of teams.

Many of the southern states, including Florida are "beginning" to understand.

Have those countries done a better job reducing cases, or a poorer job identifying cases? It's hard to say. Yeah our case curve looks horrible compared to those other countries (mostly looking at western europe; seems like central and south america are now the ones catching up), but our death curve looks about the same. USA peaked at a 7-day-average of 2,043 deaths per day. That average has gone down 56 of the last 64 days, including 46 of the last 49 days, to now be sitting at an average 565 deaths per day. A decrease of over 72%. I take the virus seriously, wearing a mask, giving people space, no big groups, and avoiding most unnecessary trips/interactions when I can, but I get frustrated that only the bad numbers seem to get reported.

Also, specifically when it comes to sports, I wouldn't be so quick to say "best case scenario in all those situations is team sports without fans". I don't follow hockey or basketball all that much, but at least five MLB teams (cubs, white sox, marlins, twins, astros) have said they plan on playing with fans in the stands. As far as I've seen, none have definitively said they won't have fans.
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(06-25-2020 11:31 AM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  I don't follow hockey or basketball all that much, but at least five MLB teams (cubs, white sox, marlins, twins, astros) have said they plan on playing with fans in the stands. As far as I've seen, none have definitively said they won't have fans.

Ahhhhh yes, the Asstros. Those cheating bass turds. They were getting slammed in spring training by the fans and press before all this escalated with COVID. How "lucky" they were to have their story kinda take a far back seat. Hopefully, the fans will crank the heat back up on their cheating ices come July 23rd, if not sooner.

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(06-25-2020 11:31 AM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:21 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:33 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/broo...-covid-19/

Once again in professional sports - two of the 5 top golfers in the world take a break from the tour due to Covid 19 (and they did not even test positive for it), but college kids with power through? Explain that to parents, and even the athletes. Not going to happen.

Don't these golfers realize there is no issue/concerns to be had with this flu?

Pros will walk away from a Million Dollar potential payday, but send the kids on the fields!

Look at what is happening, not what you think should be happening.

As I continue to say my risk tolerance is higher than most, but I can still see what is right there in front of me with much, if not most, of the population.

There are many people who will go to games and be damned if they will wear a mask, but that is the minority.

Sadly Covid cases were at an all time high yesterday, but thankfully we are headed to the more obvious beneficial position of requiring masks. Our trends our worse then other countries.

I want sports and the economy back. Less a vaccine, the quickest way to get them back is through masks and social distancing. How in the world did masks, social distancing, and even the recognition of the biggest pandemic in 100 years become political and divisive?

01-wingedeagle

And yet as of today the following leagues are moving forward with plans to resume:
- MLB
- NBA
- NHL
- NFL

And those such as the following have already resumed:
- NASCAR
- SuperCross/Motocross

Sure 2 pro golfers for their own reasons chose to sit out. Anyone in any sport could choose to sit out as well, that is their personal choice/decision.

Lets just crawl into a hole again and shut it all down b/c 2 golfers decided not too play.

Yep Shady - "planning" and perhaps a better word "hoping". Best case scenario in all those situations team sports without fans. At best in another month. Other countries have already begun their pro sports leagues, and it's not because they have a bigger tolerance, it's because they have done a better job of reducing the cases.

And Shady, don't know how you missed it, but it's not just 2 golfers, it is many college teams and pro teams. And practices have not even resumed for the vast majority of teams.

Many of the southern states, including Florida are "beginning" to understand.

Have those countries done a better job reducing cases, or a poorer job identifying cases? It's hard to say. Yeah our case curve looks horrible compared to those other countries (mostly looking at western europe; seems like central and south america are now the ones catching up), but our death curve looks about the same. USA peaked at a 7-day-average of 2,043 deaths per day. That average has gone down 56 of the last 64 days, including 46 of the last 49 days, to now be sitting at an average 565 deaths per day. A decrease of over 72%. I take the virus seriously, wearing a mask, giving people space, no big groups, and avoiding most unnecessary trips/interactions when I can, but I get frustrated that only the bad numbers seem to get reported.

Also, specifically when it comes to sports, I wouldn't be so quick to say "best case scenario in all those situations is team sports without fans". I don't follow hockey or basketball all that much, but at least five MLB teams (cubs, white sox, marlins, twins, astros) have said they plan on playing with fans in the stands. As far as I've seen, none have definitively said they won't have fans.

That about sums up my feelings on it too. I'd add all this hype/negativity around when a relative handful of athletes reporting back for training test and show asymptomatic positives, with it likely being something they didn't even know they had previously at home. Theres nothing I've seen yet that indicates starting up sports will be a disaster, given some reasonable precautions around it.
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(06-25-2020 11:31 AM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:21 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:33 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/broo...-covid-19/

Once again in professional sports - two of the 5 top golfers in the world take a break from the tour due to Covid 19 (and they did not even test positive for it), but college kids with power through? Explain that to parents, and even the athletes. Not going to happen.

Don't these golfers realize there is no issue/concerns to be had with this flu?

Pros will walk away from a Million Dollar potential payday, but send the kids on the fields!

Look at what is happening, not what you think should be happening.

As I continue to say my risk tolerance is higher than most, but I can still see what is right there in front of me with much, if not most, of the population.

There are many people who will go to games and be damned if they will wear a mask, but that is the minority.

Sadly Covid cases were at an all time high yesterday, but thankfully we are headed to the more obvious beneficial position of requiring masks. Our trends our worse then other countries.

I want sports and the economy back. Less a vaccine, the quickest way to get them back is through masks and social distancing. How in the world did masks, social distancing, and even the recognition of the biggest pandemic in 100 years become political and divisive?

01-wingedeagle

And yet as of today the following leagues are moving forward with plans to resume:
- MLB
- NBA
- NHL
- NFL

And those such as the following have already resumed:
- NASCAR
- SuperCross/Motocross

Sure 2 pro golfers for their own reasons chose to sit out. Anyone in any sport could choose to sit out as well, that is their personal choice/decision.

Lets just crawl into a hole again and shut it all down b/c 2 golfers decided not too play.

Yep Shady - "planning" and perhaps a better word "hoping". Best case scenario in all those situations team sports without fans. At best in another month. Other countries have already begun their pro sports leagues, and it's not because they have a bigger tolerance, it's because they have done a better job of reducing the cases.

And Shady, don't know how you missed it, but it's not just 2 golfers, it is many college teams and pro teams. And practices have not even resumed for the vast majority of teams.

Many of the southern states, including Florida are "beginning" to understand.

Have those countries done a better job reducing cases, or a poorer job identifying cases? It's hard to say. Yeah our case curve looks horrible compared to those other countries (mostly looking at western europe; seems like central and south america are now the ones catching up), but our death curve looks about the same. USA peaked at a 7-day-average of 2,043 deaths per day. That average has gone down 56 of the last 64 days, including 46 of the last 49 days, to now be sitting at an average 565 deaths per day. A decrease of over 72%. I take the virus seriously, wearing a mask, giving people space, no big groups, and avoiding most unnecessary trips/interactions when I can, but I get frustrated that only the bad numbers seem to get reported.

Also, specifically when it comes to sports, I wouldn't be so quick to say "best case scenario in all those situations is team sports without fans". I don't follow hockey or basketball all that much, but at least five MLB teams (cubs, white sox, marlins, twins, astros) have said they plan on playing with fans in the stands. As far as I've seen, none have definitively said they won't have fans.

Exactly, god forbid positive news be reported.

In VA for example the reporting is terrible and terribly skewed. In VA....2/3 of all fatalities have been from long-term adult care facilities (Nursing Homes). This virus by all accounts seems very similar to past viruses......those most impacted are the elderly and those with compromised immune systems.

For the majority of others it ranges from no symptoms to a mild flu. This thing is not the 'boogie man'.

Oh and god forbid anyone have and express an opposing view as they will be shamed and vilified as wanting to throw Grandma off a cliff......I am so over it.

If we as a society take this approach and stance to every virus going forward.......we would be wearing masks for remainder of our existence and Sports/Concerts/Amusement Parks/large gatherings will never happen again.

Herd immunity works especially now that we have a pretty good grasp of the virus.

Also at least in VA no healthcare systems were over-run......Now many were in danger of bankrupty, furloughs, and layoffs as a result of knee jerk reactions to elective surgery which in reality is almost every surgery.
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(06-25-2020 11:31 AM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:21 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:33 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/broo...-covid-19/

Once again in professional sports - two of the 5 top golfers in the world take a break from the tour due to Covid 19 (and they did not even test positive for it), but college kids with power through? Explain that to parents, and even the athletes. Not going to happen.

Don't these golfers realize there is no issue/concerns to be had with this flu?

Pros will walk away from a Million Dollar potential payday, but send the kids on the fields!

Look at what is happening, not what you think should be happening.

As I continue to say my risk tolerance is higher than most, but I can still see what is right there in front of me with much, if not most, of the population.

There are many people who will go to games and be damned if they will wear a mask, but that is the minority.

Sadly Covid cases were at an all time high yesterday, but thankfully we are headed to the more obvious beneficial position of requiring masks. Our trends our worse then other countries.

I want sports and the economy back. Less a vaccine, the quickest way to get them back is through masks and social distancing. How in the world did masks, social distancing, and even the recognition of the biggest pandemic in 100 years become political and divisive?

01-wingedeagle

And yet as of today the following leagues are moving forward with plans to resume:
- MLB
- NBA
- NHL
- NFL

And those such as the following have already resumed:
- NASCAR
- SuperCross/Motocross

Sure 2 pro golfers for their own reasons chose to sit out. Anyone in any sport could choose to sit out as well, that is their personal choice/decision.

Lets just crawl into a hole again and shut it all down b/c 2 golfers decided not too play.

Yep Shady - "planning" and perhaps a better word "hoping". Best case scenario in all those situations team sports without fans. At best in another month. Other countries have already begun their pro sports leagues, and it's not because they have a bigger tolerance, it's because they have done a better job of reducing the cases.

And Shady, don't know how you missed it, but it's not just 2 golfers, it is many college teams and pro teams. And practices have not even resumed for the vast majority of teams.

Many of the southern states, including Florida are "beginning" to understand.

Have those countries done a better job reducing cases, or a poorer job identifying cases? It's hard to say. Yeah our case curve looks horrible compared to those other countries (mostly looking at western europe; seems like central and south america are now the ones catching up), but our death curve looks about the same. USA peaked at a 7-day-average of 2,043 deaths per day. That average has gone down 56 of the last 64 days, including 46 of the last 49 days, to now be sitting at an average 565 deaths per day. A decrease of over 72%. I take the virus seriously, wearing a mask, giving people space, no big groups, and avoiding most unnecessary trips/interactions when I can, but I get frustrated that only the bad numbers seem to get reported.

Also, specifically when it comes to sports, I wouldn't be so quick to say "best case scenario in all those situations is team sports without fans". I don't follow hockey or basketball all that much, but at least five MLB teams (cubs, white sox, marlins, twins, astros) have said they plan on playing with fans in the stands. As far as I've seen, none have definitively said they won't have fans.

I appreciate you wear the mask and take it serious. I want sports to come back ASAP. I want the cases, that lead to deaths, to come down ASAP. I want the economy to come back ASAP. I'm willing to take the minimum sacrifice for these things to happen. Of course a mask makes a difference...

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases

Look at the US versus the UK. Now wonder why the UK is considering restricting travel from the United States. Does anyone think that is just luck? Does anyone think the UK forgot how to tract cases? No, obviously they've worked hard to gain those results, and it's paying dividends now. The premier league started back up last week.

So the best we can say is "we're planning". Possibly in a month our major professional sports will be playing games.

"Deaths are down" - as we know from a 6 weeks ago, deaths seem to track about 5 weeks from Cases.

Cases increase, then hospitalizations increase, then deaths increase.

I want deaths to decrease, sports to return, and the economy to return. If more people would take it serious, wear masks, and social space it will happen much faster.
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(06-25-2020 11:48 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:31 AM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  I don't follow hockey or basketball all that much, but at least five MLB teams (cubs, white sox, marlins, twins, astros) have said they plan on playing with fans in the stands. As far as I've seen, none have definitively said they won't have fans.

Ahhhhh yes, the Asstros. Those cheating bass turds. They were getting slammed in spring training by the fans and press before all this escalated with COVID. How "lucky" they were to have their story kinda take a far back seat. Hopefully, the fans will crank the heat back up on their cheating ices come July 23rd, if not sooner.

01-lauramac2

Obviously small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, but if I'm allowed to have one frivolous COVID-consequence to be VERY angry about, it's that the Astros will never really get the comeuppance they were about to receive! Was so looking forward to it as a Yankees fan.
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(06-25-2020 11:58 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:31 AM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:21 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:33 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:14 AM)Dukester Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/broo...-covid-19/

Once again in professional sports - two of the 5 top golfers in the world take a break from the tour due to Covid 19 (and they did not even test positive for it), but college kids with power through? Explain that to parents, and even the athletes. Not going to happen.

Don't these golfers realize there is no issue/concerns to be had with this flu?

Pros will walk away from a Million Dollar potential payday, but send the kids on the fields!

Look at what is happening, not what you think should be happening.

As I continue to say my risk tolerance is higher than most, but I can still see what is right there in front of me with much, if not most, of the population.

There are many people who will go to games and be damned if they will wear a mask, but that is the minority.

Sadly Covid cases were at an all time high yesterday, but thankfully we are headed to the more obvious beneficial position of requiring masks. Our trends our worse then other countries.

I want sports and the economy back. Less a vaccine, the quickest way to get them back is through masks and social distancing. How in the world did masks, social distancing, and even the recognition of the biggest pandemic in 100 years become political and divisive?

01-wingedeagle

And yet as of today the following leagues are moving forward with plans to resume:
- MLB
- NBA
- NHL
- NFL

And those such as the following have already resumed:
- NASCAR
- SuperCross/Motocross

Sure 2 pro golfers for their own reasons chose to sit out. Anyone in any sport could choose to sit out as well, that is their personal choice/decision.

Lets just crawl into a hole again and shut it all down b/c 2 golfers decided not too play.

Yep Shady - "planning" and perhaps a better word "hoping". Best case scenario in all those situations team sports without fans. At best in another month. Other countries have already begun their pro sports leagues, and it's not because they have a bigger tolerance, it's because they have done a better job of reducing the cases.

And Shady, don't know how you missed it, but it's not just 2 golfers, it is many college teams and pro teams. And practices have not even resumed for the vast majority of teams.

Many of the southern states, including Florida are "beginning" to understand.

Have those countries done a better job reducing cases, or a poorer job identifying cases? It's hard to say. Yeah our case curve looks horrible compared to those other countries (mostly looking at western europe; seems like central and south america are now the ones catching up), but our death curve looks about the same. USA peaked at a 7-day-average of 2,043 deaths per day. That average has gone down 56 of the last 64 days, including 46 of the last 49 days, to now be sitting at an average 565 deaths per day. A decrease of over 72%. I take the virus seriously, wearing a mask, giving people space, no big groups, and avoiding most unnecessary trips/interactions when I can, but I get frustrated that only the bad numbers seem to get reported.

Also, specifically when it comes to sports, I wouldn't be so quick to say "best case scenario in all those situations is team sports without fans". I don't follow hockey or basketball all that much, but at least five MLB teams (cubs, white sox, marlins, twins, astros) have said they plan on playing with fans in the stands. As far as I've seen, none have definitively said they won't have fans.

I appreciate you wear the mask and take it serious. I want sports to come back ASAP. I want the cases, that lead to deaths, to come down ASAP. I want the economy to come back ASAP. I'm willing to take the minimum sacrifice for these things to happen. Of course a mask makes a difference...

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases

Look at the US versus the UK. Now wonder why the UK is considering restricting travel from the United States. Does anyone think that is just luck? Does anyone think the UK forgot how to tract cases? No, obviously they've worked hard to gain those results, and it's paying dividends now. The premier league started back up last week.

So the best we can say is "we're planning". Possibly in a month our major professional sports will be playing games.

"Deaths are down" - as we know from a 6 weeks ago, deaths seem to track about 5 weeks from Cases.

Cases increase, then hospitalizations increase, then deaths increase.

I want deaths to decrease, sports to return, and the economy to return. If more people would take it serious, wear masks, and social space it will happen much faster.

Why have 5% of USA cases resulted in deaths but 14% of UK cases? (and 12% of Spain and the Netherlands, 15% of Italy, 16% of Belgium, and 18% of France)? Are they unhealthier, or do they have a deadlier strain of disease, or have they done a worse job of identifying total cases, which results in a higher fatality ratio? I admit I don't have the answer, but if I had to put money on it, I'd guess the latter.
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(06-25-2020 12:17 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:58 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:31 AM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:21 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 08:33 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  And yet as of today the following leagues are moving forward with plans to resume:
- MLB
- NBA
- NHL
- NFL

And those such as the following have already resumed:
- NASCAR
- SuperCross/Motocross

Sure 2 pro golfers for their own reasons chose to sit out. Anyone in any sport could choose to sit out as well, that is their personal choice/decision.

Lets just crawl into a hole again and shut it all down b/c 2 golfers decided not too play.

Yep Shady - "planning" and perhaps a better word "hoping". Best case scenario in all those situations team sports without fans. At best in another month. Other countries have already begun their pro sports leagues, and it's not because they have a bigger tolerance, it's because they have done a better job of reducing the cases.

And Shady, don't know how you missed it, but it's not just 2 golfers, it is many college teams and pro teams. And practices have not even resumed for the vast majority of teams.

Many of the southern states, including Florida are "beginning" to understand.

Have those countries done a better job reducing cases, or a poorer job identifying cases? It's hard to say. Yeah our case curve looks horrible compared to those other countries (mostly looking at western europe; seems like central and south america are now the ones catching up), but our death curve looks about the same. USA peaked at a 7-day-average of 2,043 deaths per day. That average has gone down 56 of the last 64 days, including 46 of the last 49 days, to now be sitting at an average 565 deaths per day. A decrease of over 72%. I take the virus seriously, wearing a mask, giving people space, no big groups, and avoiding most unnecessary trips/interactions when I can, but I get frustrated that only the bad numbers seem to get reported.

Also, specifically when it comes to sports, I wouldn't be so quick to say "best case scenario in all those situations is team sports without fans". I don't follow hockey or basketball all that much, but at least five MLB teams (cubs, white sox, marlins, twins, astros) have said they plan on playing with fans in the stands. As far as I've seen, none have definitively said they won't have fans.

I appreciate you wear the mask and take it serious. I want sports to come back ASAP. I want the cases, that lead to deaths, to come down ASAP. I want the economy to come back ASAP. I'm willing to take the minimum sacrifice for these things to happen. Of course a mask makes a difference...

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases

Look at the US versus the UK. Now wonder why the UK is considering restricting travel from the United States. Does anyone think that is just luck? Does anyone think the UK forgot how to tract cases? No, obviously they've worked hard to gain those results, and it's paying dividends now. The premier league started back up last week.

So the best we can say is "we're planning". Possibly in a month our major professional sports will be playing games.

"Deaths are down" - as we know from a 6 weeks ago, deaths seem to track about 5 weeks from Cases.

Cases increase, then hospitalizations increase, then deaths increase.

I want deaths to decrease, sports to return, and the economy to return. If more people would take it serious, wear masks, and social space it will happen much faster.

Why have 5% of USA cases resulted in deaths but 14% of UK cases? (and 12% of Spain and the Netherlands, 15% of Italy, 16% of Belgium, and 18% of France)? Are they unhealthier, or do they have a deadlier strain of disease, or have they done a worse job of identifying total cases, which results in a higher fatality ratio? I admit I don't have the answer, but if I had to put money on it, I'd guess the latter.

I'd guess the reason why is what we already know - we have a better health care system. We're good at that.

But why has Spain, UK, and Peru been able to improve their cases substantially, and now all the sudden our cases and hospitalizations are as bad as ever and trending up? Could it be reductions of masks and social distancing? Seems to go hand and hand. Our trend improved greatly from April to June. Now in the last month we lost all the ground and are hitting all time highs for us.

This trend does not go hand & hand with sports coming back sooner, and the economy improving.
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(06-25-2020 12:52 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 12:17 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:58 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:31 AM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 09:21 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Yep Shady - "planning" and perhaps a better word "hoping". Best case scenario in all those situations team sports without fans. At best in another month. Other countries have already begun their pro sports leagues, and it's not because they have a bigger tolerance, it's because they have done a better job of reducing the cases.

And Shady, don't know how you missed it, but it's not just 2 golfers, it is many college teams and pro teams. And practices have not even resumed for the vast majority of teams.

Many of the southern states, including Florida are "beginning" to understand.

Have those countries done a better job reducing cases, or a poorer job identifying cases? It's hard to say. Yeah our case curve looks horrible compared to those other countries (mostly looking at western europe; seems like central and south america are now the ones catching up), but our death curve looks about the same. USA peaked at a 7-day-average of 2,043 deaths per day. That average has gone down 56 of the last 64 days, including 46 of the last 49 days, to now be sitting at an average 565 deaths per day. A decrease of over 72%. I take the virus seriously, wearing a mask, giving people space, no big groups, and avoiding most unnecessary trips/interactions when I can, but I get frustrated that only the bad numbers seem to get reported.

Also, specifically when it comes to sports, I wouldn't be so quick to say "best case scenario in all those situations is team sports without fans". I don't follow hockey or basketball all that much, but at least five MLB teams (cubs, white sox, marlins, twins, astros) have said they plan on playing with fans in the stands. As far as I've seen, none have definitively said they won't have fans.

I appreciate you wear the mask and take it serious. I want sports to come back ASAP. I want the cases, that lead to deaths, to come down ASAP. I want the economy to come back ASAP. I'm willing to take the minimum sacrifice for these things to happen. Of course a mask makes a difference...

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases

Look at the US versus the UK. Now wonder why the UK is considering restricting travel from the United States. Does anyone think that is just luck? Does anyone think the UK forgot how to tract cases? No, obviously they've worked hard to gain those results, and it's paying dividends now. The premier league started back up last week.

So the best we can say is "we're planning". Possibly in a month our major professional sports will be playing games.

"Deaths are down" - as we know from a 6 weeks ago, deaths seem to track about 5 weeks from Cases.

Cases increase, then hospitalizations increase, then deaths increase.

I want deaths to decrease, sports to return, and the economy to return. If more people would take it serious, wear masks, and social space it will happen much faster.

Why have 5% of USA cases resulted in deaths but 14% of UK cases? (and 12% of Spain and the Netherlands, 15% of Italy, 16% of Belgium, and 18% of France)? Are they unhealthier, or do they have a deadlier strain of disease, or have they done a worse job of identifying total cases, which results in a higher fatality ratio? I admit I don't have the answer, but if I had to put money on it, I'd guess the latter.

I'd guess the reason why is what we already know - we have a better health care system. We're good at that.

But why has Spain, UK, and Peru been able to improve their cases substantially, and now all the sudden our cases and hospitalizations are as bad as ever and trending up? Could it be reductions of masks and social distancing? Seems to go hand and hand. Our trend improved greatly from April to June. Now in the last month we lost all the ground and are hitting all time highs for us.

This trend does not go hand & hand with sports coming back sooner, and the economy improving.

Alright I know we're way off topic now and we're trying to limit that kind of thing more, but you and I seem civil enough so hopefully it's alright if we continue for a bit.

Do you have any good numbers for hospitalizations being up? I know there are some problem areas, but as far as I can tell there is no nationwide number for total hospitalizations. As far as I can tell, they're down quite a bit. They certainly are in Virginia, with the 7-day average as of this morning the lowest since March.

Cases is just a bad way to measure progress or compare countries, since it's totally dependent on the level of testing. Have our numbers (the ones that matter) come down as much as the other bad countries in western Europe? No. Have they been pretty similar? Yes. On May 12, the US, the UK, and Spain were all actually really close in averaging about .9 tests per 1,000 people per day. Both of us had a percent positive of 8%. Now the US is at 1.54 tests per 1,000 per day, the UK is still at .9, and Spain is down to .7. We're testing so much more than anyone else, the numbers have to go up. Our percent positive is now at 5.1, UK is at 2.0, and Spain is at 1.1. Yes, ours is worse, but not in the way that looking at a chart of total cases would make someone think. And I'm not one of the "restore my freedom, the virus is fake news" kind of people trying to downplay the whole thing. The only thing I'm trying to say is that our progress is more comparable to the other hard-hit western european countries than the headlines indicate. You also brought Peru into the equation but I don't think that's a very good comparison for you. They're reportedly administering about .1 tests per 1,000 per day. Their current death rate is 5.7 per day compared to Spain at 3.6, the UK at 1.9, and us at 1.8. The UK's overall deaths are at about 635 per million people and Spain at 606 per million people compared to the US at about 368 per million people, so the UK has had about 73% more deaths per capita and Spain has about 65% more, which doesn't sound very successful to me.

I was using this site for my data: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus
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With the ticket thread trashed and shut down, I guess this goes here. Got this form email today that I’m sure the rest of you got:

Thank you for renewing your football season tickets for the 2020 season, we appreciate your support of JMU Football and look forward to hosting you in Bridgeforth Stadium this fall. I am reaching out with an update from JMU Athletics in regards to the planning process and next steps to responsibly and safely welcome fans back to campus this fall in a manner that protects and safeguards the well-being of our fans, student-athletes, and the campus and Shenandoah Valley communities.

As we move through these challenging times, JMU’s first priority is to safely return students to campus and resume university activities in a safe and responsible manner. As we develop new campus protocols with guidance from public health and government officials, plans are also being developed to resume athletic events for both student-athletes and fans. We still plan to provide season ticket holders the opportunity to upgrade or change their seating and parking locations once we confirm plans for opening Bridgeforth Stadium this fall.

We plan to have more details and greater clarity in the coming weeks and we will reconnect with you about next steps as soon as possible.

In the meantime, please let us know if you have any questions and concerns.”
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(06-25-2020 01:54 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 12:52 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 12:17 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:58 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:31 AM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  Have those countries done a better job reducing cases, or a poorer job identifying cases? It's hard to say. Yeah our case curve looks horrible compared to those other countries (mostly looking at western europe; seems like central and south america are now the ones catching up), but our death curve looks about the same. USA peaked at a 7-day-average of 2,043 deaths per day. That average has gone down 56 of the last 64 days, including 46 of the last 49 days, to now be sitting at an average 565 deaths per day. A decrease of over 72%. I take the virus seriously, wearing a mask, giving people space, no big groups, and avoiding most unnecessary trips/interactions when I can, but I get frustrated that only the bad numbers seem to get reported.

Also, specifically when it comes to sports, I wouldn't be so quick to say "best case scenario in all those situations is team sports without fans". I don't follow hockey or basketball all that much, but at least five MLB teams (cubs, white sox, marlins, twins, astros) have said they plan on playing with fans in the stands. As far as I've seen, none have definitively said they won't have fans.

I appreciate you wear the mask and take it serious. I want sports to come back ASAP. I want the cases, that lead to deaths, to come down ASAP. I want the economy to come back ASAP. I'm willing to take the minimum sacrifice for these things to happen. Of course a mask makes a difference...

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases

Look at the US versus the UK. Now wonder why the UK is considering restricting travel from the United States. Does anyone think that is just luck? Does anyone think the UK forgot how to tract cases? No, obviously they've worked hard to gain those results, and it's paying dividends now. The premier league started back up last week.

So the best we can say is "we're planning". Possibly in a month our major professional sports will be playing games.

"Deaths are down" - as we know from a 6 weeks ago, deaths seem to track about 5 weeks from Cases.

Cases increase, then hospitalizations increase, then deaths increase.

I want deaths to decrease, sports to return, and the economy to return. If more people would take it serious, wear masks, and social space it will happen much faster.

Why have 5% of USA cases resulted in deaths but 14% of UK cases? (and 12% of Spain and the Netherlands, 15% of Italy, 16% of Belgium, and 18% of France)? Are they unhealthier, or do they have a deadlier strain of disease, or have they done a worse job of identifying total cases, which results in a higher fatality ratio? I admit I don't have the answer, but if I had to put money on it, I'd guess the latter.

I'd guess the reason why is what we already know - we have a better health care system. We're good at that.

But why has Spain, UK, and Peru been able to improve their cases substantially, and now all the sudden our cases and hospitalizations are as bad as ever and trending up? Could it be reductions of masks and social distancing? Seems to go hand and hand. Our trend improved greatly from April to June. Now in the last month we lost all the ground and are hitting all time highs for us.

This trend does not go hand & hand with sports coming back sooner, and the economy improving.

Alright I know we're way off topic now and we're trying to limit that kind of thing more, but you and I seem civil enough so hopefully it's alright if we continue for a bit.

Do you have any good numbers for hospitalizations being up? I know there are some problem areas, but as far as I can tell there is no nationwide number for total hospitalizations. As far as I can tell, they're down quite a bit. They certainly are in Virginia, with the 7-day average as of this morning the lowest since March.

Cases is just a bad way to measure progress or compare countries, since it's totally dependent on the level of testing. Have our numbers (the ones that matter) come down as much as the other bad countries in western Europe? No. Have they been pretty similar? Yes. On May 12, the US, the UK, and Spain were all actually really close in averaging about .9 tests per 1,000 people per day. Both of us had a percent positive of 8%. Now the US is at 1.54 tests per 1,000 per day, the UK is still at .9, and Spain is down to .7. We're testing so much more than anyone else, the numbers have to go up. Our percent positive is now at 5.1, UK is at 2.0, and Spain is at 1.1. Yes, ours is worse, but not in the way that looking at a chart of total cases would make someone think. And I'm not one of the "restore my freedom, the virus is fake news" kind of people trying to downplay the whole thing. The only thing I'm trying to say is that our progress is more comparable to the other hard-hit western european countries than the headlines indicate. You also brought Peru into the equation but I don't think that's a very good comparison for you. They're reportedly administering about .1 tests per 1,000 per day. Their current death rate is 5.7 per day compared to Spain at 3.6, the UK at 1.9, and us at 1.8. The UK's overall deaths are at about 635 per million people and Spain at 606 per million people compared to the US at about 368 per million people, so the UK has had about 73% more deaths per capita and Spain has about 65% more, which doesn't sound very successful to me.

I was using this site for my data: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

Gawd - I share your appreciation for a civil discussion. 04-cheers

To be honest, sometimes work get's in the way of the boards, so it's hard to respond with as much detail as I would like.

I will say I've seen multiple times the last week some of the states are nearing hospital capacity.

Also I just saw this which I think is interesting.....


The number of Americans who have been infected with the novel coronavirus is likely 10 times higher than the 2.3 million confirmed cases, according to the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

If that is the case that is nearing 10% of US population. Would not surprise me with what seems to be hundreds of positive tests from athletes the last 10 days.

Then we get back to the benefit of anti-bodies. Read something last week saying they are finding in many cases very weak anti-bodies after only 2 months.

The shocking thing is how many questions we still have on this thing......
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(06-25-2020 02:42 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  With the ticket thread trashed and shut down, I guess this goes here. Got this form email today that I’m sure the rest of you got:

Thank you for renewing your football season tickets for the 2020 season, we appreciate your support of JMU Football and look forward to hosting you in Bridgeforth Stadium this fall. I am reaching out with an update from JMU Athletics in regards to the planning process and next steps to responsibly and safely welcome fans back to campus this fall in a manner that protects and safeguards the well-being of our fans, student-athletes, and the campus and Shenandoah Valley communities.

As we move through these challenging times, JMU’s first priority is to safely return students to campus and resume university activities in a safe and responsible manner. As we develop new campus protocols with guidance from public health and government officials, plans are also being developed to resume athletic events for both student-athletes and fans. We still plan to provide season ticket holders the opportunity to upgrade or change their seating and parking locations once we confirm plans for opening Bridgeforth Stadium this fall.

We plan to have more details and greater clarity in the coming weeks and we will reconnect with you about next steps as soon as possible.

In the meantime, please let us know if you have any questions and concerns.”


My guess this is in response to numerous inquiries for updates.
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