(A third time)

Interesting that they said that Army and Navy are exempt from this Patriot League decision and will make their own individual decisions. Army is independent in football, while Navy is in the AAC.

I guess they have to say that instead of "Army and Navy won't participate in non-football fall sports but no decision has been made about their football programs yet.".

Foreshadowing the inevitable perhaps???....

ACC Football @ACCFootball

The Atlantic Coast Conference has postponed its virtual ACC Football Kickoff media event until further notice.

The event was originally scheduled to be held July 21-23, 2020.

I mean, how could a virtual media days event be unsafe? Of course, to me it is a sign they don't really expect to play ball this fall and are just delaying advising so (or some might say "buying time").

(07-13-2020 11:16 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Interesting that they said that Army and Navy are exempt from this Patriot League decision and will make their own individual decisions. Army is independent in football, while Navy is in the AAC.

I guess they have to say that instead of "Army and Navy won't participate in non-football fall sports but no decision has been made about their football programs yet.".

Not advocating or saying this will happen...but can individual schools play regional out of conference games? Or are there bylaws within the Patriot and Ivy that say they can not play any games if the conference makes the decision?

Could JMU say hey, we'll play VCU, ODU and Mason in some fall sports should there be agreeable dates and terms, if the CAA comes out and cancels all sports? Or does the CAA say season is cancelled and therefore JMU can't play any games?

(07-13-2020 12:15 PM)DukedoG06 Wrote:  Not advocating or saying this will happen...but can individual schools play regional out of conference games? Or are there bylaws within the Patriot and Ivy that say they can not play any games if the conference makes the decision?

Could JMU say hey, we'll play VCU, ODU and Mason in some fall sports should there be agreeable dates and terms, if the CAA comes out and cancels all sports? Or does the CAA say season is cancelled and therefore JMU can't play any games?

It wouldn't be a very good look for a school in a conference to end up doing the opposite of what the remainder of a conference is doing. It would be going rogue. JMU has gone rogue absolutely zero times in the past 15-20 years, so we can confidently rule out any chance of us doing something different than the CAA advises.

Yeah, if the ACC is postponing their Media Day and didn't even give a specific date, that tells it all. They're not going to put forth the cost of a media day for a season that isn't going to be held.

One could argue though that maybe they're delaying it a month or more to be closer to the current October likely start of conference play? Unlikely, but that's a possibility.

(07-13-2020 12:30 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 12:15 PM)DukedoG06 Wrote:  Not advocating or saying this will happen...but can individual schools play regional out of conference games? Or are there bylaws within the Patriot and Ivy that say they can not play any games if the conference makes the decision?

Could JMU say hey, we'll play VCU, ODU and Mason in some fall sports should there be agreeable dates and terms, if the CAA comes out and cancels all sports? Or does the CAA say season is cancelled and therefore JMU can't play any games?

It wouldn't be a very good look for a school in a conference to end up doing the opposite of what the remainder of a conference is doing. It would be going rogue. JMU has gone rogue absolutely zero times in the past 15-20 years, so we can confidently rule out any chance of us doing something different than the CAA advises.

The independent media/tv games is why I thought of that...JMU has negotiated their own media contracts vs. what the CAA was able to do. Different I know but I didn't know how closely it was tied to the conference. Geographically speaking, conferences that have a far flung foot print would have some variance in how things were handled due to the state/region's government actions to combat COVID.

More and more people coming around. Too bad it took 3-4 months. That time has certainly delayed and will continue to delay us getting back to closer to normal. I miss sports, the economy, and not having to worry so much about health of all around me.

In February

In July

Hoping...

U.S. equity markets rallied Monday as two COVID-19 vaccines were given “fast-track” status and earnings season kicked off with some better-than-expected results.

Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE received fast-track designation for two of their experimental COVID-19 vaccines, helping offset news that the number of new daily COVID-19 infections in the U.S. remained above 60,000 all weekend. Despite the daily case count surging to a record high, the number of new deaths totaled 482 on Sunday, or just 18 percent of the 2,701 peak in May.

Everyone should become a quick and huge fan of the scientists at these big pharma companies. As a lot of restaurants are learning, just because you are allowed to re-open it doesn't mean customers are coming inside (until a vaccine is widely available and distributed). Not just restaurants of course.

Edit note: forgot to link the story, here it is... https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/us-s...ly-13-2020

One reason why these big power conferences are delaying the cancellation of football is because they want their 2020 recruiting class to enroll in school. Once a student is enrolled in school he/she cannot transfer to another FBS program without losing a year of eligibility unless they seek a waiver from the NCAA.

I think coaches want to ensure their 2020 recruits report to fall camp before a decision is made.

(07-13-2020 01:01 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  One reason why these big power conferences are delaying the cancellation of football is because they want their 2020 recruiting class to enroll in school. Once a student is enrolled in school he/she cannot transfer to another FBS program without losing a year of eligibility unless they seek a waiver from the NCAA.

I think coaches want to ensure their 2020 recruits report to fall camp before a decision is made.

That's pretty cynical. Might be right, but cynical. I'm guessing that if the season is canceled they will loosen up on the transfer rules. I think the reason for delay, is no one wants to go first. They'd prefer to get closer and closer to saying no sports without actually saying it all the way. No one wants to be he first to bail.

As of today, W&M's entire OOC schedule has been postponed/cancelled on them. If they held a season, they'd only have their 8 conference games to play and 4 bye weeks.

(07-13-2020 12:15 PM)DukedoG06 Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 11:16 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Interesting that they said that Army and Navy are exempt from this Patriot League decision and will make their own individual decisions. Army is independent in football, while Navy is in the AAC.

I guess they have to say that instead of "Army and Navy won't participate in non-football fall sports but no decision has been made about their football programs yet.".

Not advocating or saying this will happen...but can individual schools play regional out of conference games? Or are there bylaws within the Patriot and Ivy that say they can not play any games if the conference makes the decision?

Could JMU say hey, we'll play VCU, ODU and Mason in some fall sports should there be agreeable dates and terms, if the CAA comes out and cancels all sports? Or does the CAA say season is cancelled and therefore JMU can't play any games?

I was thinking the same thing when the Ivy cancelled. Assuming the CAA makes the same call, could Dartmouth and UNH schedule a 3-game series? A game in September at Dartmouth, a game in October at UNH, and then a game in Manchester (halfway point). They're not leaving the state or travelling great distances, so that wouldn't be a problem...there would be no fans, but they could just be treated like glorified scrimmages. Other schools close to each other could do the same...UVA/VT/JMU....Richmond/W&M/ODU....Norfolk/Hampton...

Other schools

(07-08-2020 08:45 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(07-08-2020 06:34 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 12:40 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 12:22 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  There's no reason why we couldn't have done what almost every country in the world has done.
But we live in a selfish, entitled society. Everyone should want to wear a mask to protect our fellow Americans. Everyone should want to try to make an effort to social distance.
'But there's vacations' and 'breathing in a mask is uncomfortable' and 'I don't know anyone who has it' and 'It's a hoax' and 'I want my liberty!!'
And as a result, numbers are the highest of any country in the WORLD. And here's the truth: it will get even worse. Much, much worse.
What pisses me off about this whole thing is we did this to ourselves. People just don't give a crap until it happens to them and by that point its too late. We are sacraficing human lives for comfort and liberty. Meanwhile those that die have no liberty to live for.
Ehh, but you have your liberty, so screw 'em.

Amen

Interesting how during WW2 the government actually mandated everyday citizens to ration goods, limit consumption and basically change their way of life with no complaints but today the government suggests people wear masks in public and now its "The government is infringing on my rights". What happened to people sacrificing for the greater good? How is this situation any different from back then? Trump even said this is a war against an invisible enemy

Agree with everything you said. I've been thinking about this same thing last few weeks. I think back to the movie It's A Wonderful Life and they talked about "metal drives", "rubber drives", "Rosie the Riveter" and so forth where Americans came together for the common good. The answer to your question highlighted in red above is pretty simple though...that is, this country has never been more divided than it is now. Even back in the 60's that saw social unrest like never before, we weren't as divided as we are now. And now, we have a pandemic to deal with on top of it. The 60's of course saw 2 Kennedy's assassinated, Civil Rights movement, MLK assasinated, the hippy movement, Vietnam War, and on and on and on.

But, of course, this is a hoax...we will all just wish it away...it will go away when the season starts warming up...

I do not have much hope for fall college or high school sports. Perhaps a Hail Mary of starting the first week of October will materialize somehow. Hopefully some form of in person schooling will happen, my second grade teaching 55 year old wife says her students need it for many reasons.

I watch It’s a Wonderful Life every Christmas. Good life lessons. And we all should be wearing our masks with no complaints, distancing and other simple sacrifices others have mentioned. I would like to add one more thing that we have to get better at and that is watching our diet and weight. It is a hard but unselfish thing to do. I just heard the top of the hour news on my NPR station and they reported that PepsiCo’s stock rose today on the strength of the rising Cheetos sales!
We have got to do better as a country. Being fit helps fight COVID and just about everything else.

Whenever we play again, Go Dukes.

I know my students need more effective learning that is hard if not impossible to deliver via remote methods. I’m just not sure I can justify the risk (small as it may be) to my personal health in consideration of the low compensation. It’s a tough Catch-22. People who make more than me will have to find a way to make the best of it for all parties, both students and staff. People in high-risk professions generally make appropriate money aligned with the risk. In my opinion, it’s a mighty big ask for teachers to return to a risky job-site for $50k in salary.

(07-13-2020 06:40 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I know my students need more effective learning that is hard if not impossible to deliver via remote methods. I’m just not sure I can justify the risk (small as it may be) to my personal health in consideration of the low compensation. It’s a tough Catch-22. People who make more than me will have to find a way to make the best of it for all parties, both students and staff. People in high-risk professions generally make appropriate money aligned with the risk. In my opinion, it’s a mighty big ask for teachers to return to a risky job-site for $50k in salary.

Understood. Thanks for teaching. My wife hopes they offer two options.
On line for those students/parents/teachers who feel that is best
In person for those students/parents/teachers who are comfortable with that option

Obviously only if the breakdown would be workable.
Challenging times. Tough decisions.

Yeah, I don’t pretend to know the answers. I just know I’m the only one who cares about my health in this situation, so I gotta carefully consider options, including involving attorneys unfortunately.

University of Richmond football players were scheduled to return on Wednesday, but their admin announced tonight that the players will not be returning. Rumors are out there that the CAA will announce soon that they will play only conference games starting on 10/3 and going every Saturday for 8 weeks.

Maybe just delaying the inevitable. If they do that, there may need to be home and homes with local teams like UR and W&M.

A delay would likely mean that JMU players would go home and come back to campus at a later date.

For what it is worth, UR basketball players will return on Wednesday as scheduled.

Source is Times Dispatch.

(07-13-2020 12:15 PM)DukedoG06 Wrote:  

(07-13-2020 11:16 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Interesting that they said that Army and Navy are exempt from this Patriot League decision and will make their own individual decisions. Army is independent in football, while Navy is in the AAC.

I guess they have to say that instead of "Army and Navy won't participate in non-football fall sports but no decision has been made about their football programs yet.".

Not advocating or saying this will happen...but can individual schools play regional out of conference games? Or are there bylaws within the Patriot and Ivy that say they can not play any games if the conference makes the decision?

Could JMU say hey, we'll play VCU, ODU and Mason in some fall sports should there be agreeable dates and terms, if the CAA comes out and cancels all sports? Or does the CAA say season is cancelled and therefore JMU can't play any games?

Good question. I don't think anyone took something like the current situation into consideration when conference bylaws were written, so I imagine most people would be willing to grant reasonable exceptions for this season. I'm glad I'm not in athletics administration right now. What a massive headache. There are no good answers.

I suspect the schools in these conferences had to OK the conference decisions, so I wouldn’t expect it. However, Hampton announced their season cancellation with no Big South announcement, so it seems possible, especially if the conference decisions weren’t unanimous among member schools.

But I really think most schools see more advantages to the flexibility of the conference-only move.