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(06-22-2020 02:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:20 PM)usffan Wrote:  Thank God we've got so many infectious disease experts, pandemic experts and physicians on this message board to tell us what's really what. We're going to show that fu(cking virus who's boss, it's not gonna cut into MY GD liberties![/sarcasm]

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I’m none of the above, but I am a CBRN tech, a hazardous materials technician and team leader, and a subject matter expert on PPE. It was my responsibility to identify the PPE worn by my crews, so I had to know how PPE worked down to an incredibly dull level. The claims being made about the effectiveness of homemade masks aren’t grounded in proven science, and anyone with a working knowledge of how PPE works knows this.


IMO it’s a placebo put in place to alleviate the strain that was on the supply of N95 respirators at the time, but it’s proving to be a bigger liability than positive because as I mentioned above people think that the masks are providing far protection than they are so they ignore the other aspects that do offer meaningful protection like social distancing and washing their hand.

Fabric masks serve the same function as sneeze bars at buffets and covering your nose when you cough do. You don't need to be PPE expert to understand that it's point is to keep your germs from infecting others and they've been shown to be pretty effective at that. A higher usage rate amongst the population would slow the spread especially as we're opening up and going out more. I agree that it's not a substitute for social distancing and hand washing but I assume most of the people refusing to wear a mask aren't minding those as well.

Why would you assume that?

And what is your evidence that these makeshift masks have been shown to be "pretty effective?"

And you didn't read Kapolony's post very carefully.
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(06-22-2020 02:52 PM)3BNole Wrote:  I am a physician.

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(06-22-2020 04:16 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Anyone else getting the feeling with these Covid spikes being reported, that our college football season this year is in jeopardy?

I was feeling more optimistic about it up until about a week ago. Not so much now. We seem to be in a classic one step forward, two steps back cycle.
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(06-22-2020 01:22 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/...ncy-trend/

Texas Medical Center ICU occupancy - largest medical center in the world I think?

Hospitalizations going up is a good thing? You seriously just wrote that? (directed to Bullet)

Most procedures being delayed that I'm aware of were not requiring hospitalization to begin with - basic check-ups with your doctor and dentist for example. Or at worst same day procedures that don't require an overnight stay at a hospital (which can get incredibly expensive in a very short time even with good insurance - and I bet you most 20-30 year olds don't have great insurance).

+3 for the data.

But note that this is still just 24% of capacity. And how much is protest crowds? The increase started about June 15, about a week after the mass gatherings for the funeral.
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(06-22-2020 02:59 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:20 PM)usffan Wrote:  Thank God we've got so many infectious disease experts, pandemic experts and physicians on this message board to tell us what's really what. We're going to show that fu(cking virus who's boss, it's not gonna cut into MY GD liberties![/sarcasm]

USFFan

LOL


I’m none of the above, but I am a CBRN tech, a hazardous materials technician and team leader, and a subject matter expert on PPE. It was my responsibility to identify the PPE worn by my crews, so I had to know how PPE worked down to an incredibly dull level. The claims being made about the effectiveness of homemade masks aren’t grounded in proven science, and anyone with a working knowledge of how PPE works knows this.


IMO it’s a placebo put in place to alleviate the strain that was on the supply of N95 respirators at the time, but it’s proving to be a bigger liability than positive because as I mentioned above people think that the masks are providing far protection than they are so they ignore the other aspects that do offer meaningful protection like social distancing and washing their hand.

Fabric masks serve the same function as sneeze bars at buffets and covering your nose when you cough do. You don't need to be PPE expert to understand that it's point is to keep your germs from infecting others and they've been shown to be pretty effective at that. A higher usage rate amongst the population would slow the spread especially as we're opening up and going out more. I agree that it's not a substitute for social distancing and hand washing but I assume most of the people refusing to wear a mask aren't minding those as well.

Except for the fact that the stuff it catches, the big globs of spit & snot, isn’t the stuff that passes infections. It’s the microscopic particles that go around and even through the mask that poses the larger risk. It’s like trying to keep mosquitoes off your back porch with chicken wire because the fabric these homemade masks are made of isn’t woven fine enough to stop these particles.

Oh and the fact that because these masks are hot, uncomfortable, and ill fitting they are constantly fidgeting and adjusting them, contaminating their hands and everything they touch afterwards.

The key thing that made me question the effectiveness of these homemade masks is the fact that they were adamant that they didn’t protect you from the virus, they protected you from infecting others. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of PPE knows that if it can’t keep the virus out that it’s also not keeping it in.
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(06-22-2020 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:59 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:20 PM)usffan Wrote:  Thank God we've got so many infectious disease experts, pandemic experts and physicians on this message board to tell us what's really what. We're going to show that fu(cking virus who's boss, it's not gonna cut into MY GD liberties![/sarcasm]

USFFan

LOL


I’m none of the above, but I am a CBRN tech, a hazardous materials technician and team leader, and a subject matter expert on PPE. It was my responsibility to identify the PPE worn by my crews, so I had to know how PPE worked down to an incredibly dull level. The claims being made about the effectiveness of homemade masks aren’t grounded in proven science, and anyone with a working knowledge of how PPE works knows this.


IMO it’s a placebo put in place to alleviate the strain that was on the supply of N95 respirators at the time, but it’s proving to be a bigger liability than positive because as I mentioned above people think that the masks are providing far protection than they are so they ignore the other aspects that do offer meaningful protection like social distancing and washing their hand.

Fabric masks serve the same function as sneeze bars at buffets and covering your nose when you cough do. You don't need to be PPE expert to understand that it's point is to keep your germs from infecting others and they've been shown to be pretty effective at that. A higher usage rate amongst the population would slow the spread especially as we're opening up and going out more. I agree that it's not a substitute for social distancing and hand washing but I assume most of the people refusing to wear a mask aren't minding those as well.

Why would you assume that?

And what is your evidence that these makeshift maps have been shown to be "pretty effective?"

And you didn't read Kapolony's post very carefully.

I read it perfectly well. I assume that because they are generally the same people reaching past me to grab something off the shelves in the cereal aisle and not minding the 6 ft tape on the floor.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...132345.htm

There's been other studies.
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(06-22-2020 02:00 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
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(06-22-2020 01:29 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 01:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 04:16 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Anyone else getting the feeling with these Covid spikes being reported, that our college football season this year is in jeopardy?

I've said this before, I'll say it again:

Even if there are no fans in the stands, the cost of losing TV money for P5 football, or MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, any of those, will be huge.

They'll play as long as the cost of not playing exceeds the cost of playing.

I think that's probably the mindset they're going with but they also have to keep a killswitch mechanism in mind. What if multiple players from the same team land in the hospital? What if a player dies?

Hopefully that doesn't happen. That's when the cost of playing exceeds the cost of not playing, and they stop.

It’s an awful game of chicken, then. At any collegiate level, with that many potential players, the chances of players getting it are high, and probably unavoidable. But how far it has to go to get schools to shut it down? Cases alone won’t stop this unless every team has them simultaneously, but is it really going to have to come to a death?

I suspect the season is cooked just because you have some states who simply won’t test those waters (again). And even if schools fight it on the academic front, those activities...I don’t see them getting these through to the field. Even an empty stadium with just players and refs.

Yeah, it's a tough situation. As I've noted elsewhere, most businesses with legitimate assets (and I'd include colleges in that category) don't care whatsoever about what a particular state might be doing or not doing. Their concern (beyond doing the right thing for their employees and customers, or students in the case of colleges) is their liability exposure.

Would the vast majority of college students survive COVID-19? Yes.

Does that change how much a tort lawyer will be seeking from a wrong death lawsuit when a college campus has an outbreak and "only" 5 kids die out of 10,000 or have life-debilitating effects? Nope.

A low death rate on paper might make the risks of an individual person deciding to go out more and engage in regular activities seem acceptable. However, most large businesses need to process large numbers of individuals, whether they are customers in a store, employees in an office or factory, or students on a college campus. Any business knows that any one single death that a tort lawyer argues that such business caused creates massive liability exposure. Having multiple deaths or permanent disabilities on your watch can add up really quickly in terms of exposure even if the death rate is supposedly small.
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(06-22-2020 03:14 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:59 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:20 PM)usffan Wrote:  Thank God we've got so many infectious disease experts, pandemic experts and physicians on this message board to tell us what's really what. We're going to show that fu(cking virus who's boss, it's not gonna cut into MY GD liberties![/sarcasm]

USFFan

LOL


I’m none of the above, but I am a CBRN tech, a hazardous materials technician and team leader, and a subject matter expert on PPE. It was my responsibility to identify the PPE worn by my crews, so I had to know how PPE worked down to an incredibly dull level. The claims being made about the effectiveness of homemade masks aren’t grounded in proven science, and anyone with a working knowledge of how PPE works knows this.


IMO it’s a placebo put in place to alleviate the strain that was on the supply of N95 respirators at the time, but it’s proving to be a bigger liability than positive because as I mentioned above people think that the masks are providing far protection than they are so they ignore the other aspects that do offer meaningful protection like social distancing and washing their hand.

Fabric masks serve the same function as sneeze bars at buffets and covering your nose when you cough do. You don't need to be PPE expert to understand that it's point is to keep your germs from infecting others and they've been shown to be pretty effective at that. A higher usage rate amongst the population would slow the spread especially as we're opening up and going out more. I agree that it's not a substitute for social distancing and hand washing but I assume most of the people refusing to wear a mask aren't minding those as well.

Why would you assume that?

And what is your evidence that these makeshift maps have been shown to be "pretty effective?"

And you didn't read Kapolony's post very carefully.

I read it perfectly well. I assume that because they are generally the same people reaching past me to grab something off the shelves in the cereal aisle and not minding the 6 ft tape on the floor.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...132345.htm

There's been other studies.

No, you didn't comprehend what he said at all about adjusting and touching everywhere.

I find lots of people with masks thinking they are invulnerable and ignoring social distancing. Look at the protest marches.
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(06-22-2020 02:52 PM)3BNole Wrote:  I am a physician.

Just sent you a PM. I've had this weird growth on my neck for years. You mind taking a look?

If you drive down to Tallahassee, establish with my practice, and have insurance then sure! Haha!
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(06-22-2020 02:52 PM)3BNole Wrote:  I am a physician.

I had a Dr Pepper today

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damn it, you guys got me, it was only a Mr. Pibb

I actually know a Dr. Pepper. 03-razz She was a Pediatric hospitalist at the hospital I did my residency at.
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(06-22-2020 03:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:59 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:20 PM)usffan Wrote:  Thank God we've got so many infectious disease experts, pandemic experts and physicians on this message board to tell us what's really what. We're going to show that fu(cking virus who's boss, it's not gonna cut into MY GD liberties![/sarcasm]

USFFan

LOL


I’m none of the above, but I am a CBRN tech, a hazardous materials technician and team leader, and a subject matter expert on PPE. It was my responsibility to identify the PPE worn by my crews, so I had to know how PPE worked down to an incredibly dull level. The claims being made about the effectiveness of homemade masks aren’t grounded in proven science, and anyone with a working knowledge of how PPE works knows this.


IMO it’s a placebo put in place to alleviate the strain that was on the supply of N95 respirators at the time, but it’s proving to be a bigger liability than positive because as I mentioned above people think that the masks are providing far protection than they are so they ignore the other aspects that do offer meaningful protection like social distancing and washing their hand.

Fabric masks serve the same function as sneeze bars at buffets and covering your nose when you cough do. You don't need to be PPE expert to understand that it's point is to keep your germs from infecting others and they've been shown to be pretty effective at that. A higher usage rate amongst the population would slow the spread especially as we're opening up and going out more. I agree that it's not a substitute for social distancing and hand washing but I assume most of the people refusing to wear a mask aren't minding those as well.

Except for the fact that the stuff it catches, the big globs of spit & snot, isn’t the stuff that passes infections. It’s the microscopic particles that go around and even through the mask that poses the larger risk. It’s like trying to keep mosquitoes off your back porch with chicken wire because the fabric these homemade masks are made of isn’t woven fine enough to stop these particles.

Oh and the fact that because these masks are hot, uncomfortable, and ill fitting they are constantly fidgeting and adjusting them, contaminating their hands and everything they touch afterwards.

The key thing that made me question the effectiveness of these homemade masks is the fact that they were adamant that they didn’t protect you from the virus, they protected you from infecting others. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of PPE knows that if it can’t keep the virus out that it’s also not keeping it in.

Science seems to be disagreeing with your chicken wire analogy. If you have a finely woven cotton mask with a pocket in the middle for a replaceable filter that has electrostatic filtration and the mask is well fitted to you face then the efficacy is actually pretty decent. I wouldn't go into a covid ward with one but it'll do for Kroger.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252
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(06-22-2020 03:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 03:14 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:59 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  LOL


I’m none of the above, but I am a CBRN tech, a hazardous materials technician and team leader, and a subject matter expert on PPE. It was my responsibility to identify the PPE worn by my crews, so I had to know how PPE worked down to an incredibly dull level. The claims being made about the effectiveness of homemade masks aren’t grounded in proven science, and anyone with a working knowledge of how PPE works knows this.


IMO it’s a placebo put in place to alleviate the strain that was on the supply of N95 respirators at the time, but it’s proving to be a bigger liability than positive because as I mentioned above people think that the masks are providing far protection than they are so they ignore the other aspects that do offer meaningful protection like social distancing and washing their hand.

Fabric masks serve the same function as sneeze bars at buffets and covering your nose when you cough do. You don't need to be PPE expert to understand that it's point is to keep your germs from infecting others and they've been shown to be pretty effective at that. A higher usage rate amongst the population would slow the spread especially as we're opening up and going out more. I agree that it's not a substitute for social distancing and hand washing but I assume most of the people refusing to wear a mask aren't minding those as well.

Why would you assume that?

And what is your evidence that these makeshift maps have been shown to be "pretty effective?"

And you didn't read Kapolony's post very carefully.

I read it perfectly well. I assume that because they are generally the same people reaching past me to grab something off the shelves in the cereal aisle and not minding the 6 ft tape on the floor.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...132345.htm

There's been other studies.

No, you didn't comprehend what he said at all about adjusting and touching everywhere.

I find lots of people with masks thinking they are invulnerable and ignoring social distancing. Look at the protest marches.

OK. I do fiddle with mine but then again I wash my hands or use sanitizer between any stops. The question is would it help reduce transmission if everyone wore one or is it worse? Let's go back to the sneeze. Does anyone believe it's pointless to sneeze into your elbow? Should we just be letting it fly?
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Death Rate & Deaths Per Day going down & downer
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For those that don't want to wear a mask, I'd like to offer a reason to, probably not the one you think.

I don't believe the majority of masks are more than 75% effective (many also wear them wrong), however wearing a mask around others makes them more comfortable and more likely to get back to economic driving activities.

We must get back to activities that help bring back jobs and provide ALL children educational opportunities. We are hurting those in the lower quartile the most everyday we don't get back to those types of activities.
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(06-22-2020 03:15 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 02:00 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 01:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 01:29 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(06-22-2020 01:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I've said this before, I'll say it again:

Even if there are no fans in the stands, the cost of losing TV money for P5 football, or MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, any of those, will be huge.

They'll play as long as the cost of not playing exceeds the cost of playing.

I think that's probably the mindset they're going with but they also have to keep a killswitch mechanism in mind. What if multiple players from the same team land in the hospital? What if a player dies?

Hopefully that doesn't happen. That's when the cost of playing exceeds the cost of not playing, and they stop.

It’s an awful game of chicken, then. At any collegiate level, with that many potential players, the chances of players getting it are high, and probably unavoidable. But how far it has to go to get schools to shut it down? Cases alone won’t stop this unless every team has them simultaneously, but is it really going to have to come to a death?

I suspect the season is cooked just because you have some states who simply won’t test those waters (again). And even if schools fight it on the academic front, those activities...I don’t see them getting these through to the field. Even an empty stadium with just players and refs.

Yeah, it's a tough situation. As I've noted elsewhere, most businesses with legitimate assets (and I'd include colleges in that category) don't care whatsoever about what a particular state might be doing or not doing. Their concern (beyond doing the right thing for their employees and customers, or students in the case of colleges) is their liability exposure.

Would the vast majority of college students survive COVID-19? Yes.

Does that change how much a tort lawyer will be seeking from a wrong death lawsuit when a college campus has an outbreak and "only" 5 kids die out of 10,000 or have life-debilitating effects? Nope.

A low death rate on paper might make the risks of an individual person deciding to go out more and engage in regular activities seem acceptable. However, most large businesses need to process large numbers of individuals, whether they are customers in a store, employees in an office or factory, or students on a college campus. Any business knows that any one single death that a tort lawyer argues that such business caused creates massive liability exposure. Having multiple deaths or permanent disabilities on your watch can add up really quickly in terms of exposure even if the death rate is supposedly small.

Working for a large business in a major city, even getting to a “green” level isn’t opening our office up; wfh remains. Not the city’s decision: the company’s. Good enough for me, though I miss being in the city.

And the reality of these schools should, imo, compel them to think more than their state allowance or leash. Schools are already hurting financially because of this. Sports won’t keep them open or in the black, but risk something like a Covid death and a lawsuit, and the value of keeping football just drops all the more.

It isn’t about whether it should run because people miss it or want it. Or that kids will be kids and disregard the rules otherwise. Or all the circumstancial protesting and other gatherings. Can the school survive a worst case scenario with these other conditions and factors? Or detractors amongst their own academic ranks?
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(06-22-2020 03:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Except for the fact that the stuff it catches, the big globs of spit & snot, isn’t the stuff that passes infections. It’s the microscopic particles that go around and even through the mask that poses the larger risk.

And the risk they pose is the cloud of aerosols that float in the air. They know that the dust masks substantially reduces those, and substantially reducing the primary infection vector is typically a good thing.

Quote: It’s like trying to keep mosquitoes off your back porch with chicken wire because the fabric these homemade masks are made of isn’t woven fine enough to stop these particles.

Except the aerosols are not mosquitos and they do not have wings. If they lose velocity, they aren't going to pick up velocity again. If the aerosol cloud after a sneeze is less than half the mass and a quarter the volume and travels less than 25% as far, that's a substantial benefit.

Quote: Oh and the fact that because these masks are hot, uncomfortable, and ill fitting they are constantly fidgeting and adjusting them, contaminating their hands and everything they touch afterwards.

This is why it was such a serious mistake to not ramp up production of effective masks as a matter of national urgency as another one of the missing policy actions to take during the lock down, which was intended to get the transmission rate down while giving time to ramp up the measures needed to allow a safe relaxation of the lock down.

At the same time that researchers were working to find out the details of transmission, the 24hr news cycles were filled with nonsense because an idiot who is saying something definitive beats someone who knows what they are talking about saying that we do not yet know all of the facts and are working to find them out.
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It seems to me the only people saying anything definitive is the homemade mask Gestapo who are saying that these homemade masks magically defy decades of proven science pertaining to PPE.
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RE: Covid Spikes... possibility of no college football?
https://twitter.com/HoustonHealth/status...29/photo/1

Here's another graph which shows that basically shows the number of covid cases in ICU beds in Harris County (Houston) has doubled over the past 2 weeks. And the number of cases in regular hospital beds has more than doubled.

Governor Abbott (Texas governor - we're not talking Cuomo or Newsome here!) said two things of note at his press conference today -- (1) wear your (damn) masks (okay he didn't say the part in parenthesis) and (2) if the Texas numbers double again like they have over the past few weeks, then he's going to announce further cuts in the state (probably moving the state or at least parts of the states back to stage 2 at the very least?).

Yes the death rates remain low and that's wonderful news. But one thing that concerns me is the states that got hit hard early have much lower new cases now. But they are still getting much higher death totals than they should be reporting (like New York with 50 deaths and 702 new cases, or New Jersey with 34 deaths and 317 new cases). It could be because (a) they've been reporting deaths more liberally than other states all along, or (b) some of the covid 19 cases have lingered and just gotten worse over time resulting in an eventual death. Or possibly the strain in the northeast has been stronger all along than what we're seeing in the south and west.

California will be over 5000 cases today. Texas over 4000. Florida over 3000. I guess that's to be expected when you're talking about the three most populated states. But 1000 cases in South Carolina yet again (with 1/8 of the population of California) and 1265 new cases in Mississippi (with 1/10 of the population of Texas)?? Mississippi also reported 35 deaths which is the 2nd highest total of any state behind New York.

I still think there could be college football. But very few fans in the stadium (there can be some tailgating outside of the stadium where you can social distance better). And I think you may as well be paying the athletes because to have them risk themselves for no money seems to be awfully unfair.
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RE: Covid Spikes... possibility of no college football?
(06-22-2020 05:15 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://twitter.com/HoustonHealth/status...29/photo/1

Here's another graph which shows that basically shows the number of covid cases in ICU beds in Harris County (Houston) has doubled over the past 2 weeks. And the number of cases in regular hospital beds has more than doubled.

Governor Abbott (Texas governor - we're not talking Cuomo or Newsome here!) said two things of note at his press conference today -- (1) wear your (damn) masks (okay he didn't say the part in parenthesis) and (2) if the Texas numbers double again like they have over the past few weeks, then he's going to announce further cuts in the state (probably moving the state or at least parts of the states back to stage 2 at the very least?).

Yes the death rates remain low and that's wonderful news. But one thing that concerns me is the states that got hit hard early have much lower new cases now. But they are still getting much higher death totals than they should be reporting (like New York with 50 deaths and 702 new cases, or New Jersey with 34 deaths and 317 new cases). It could be because (a) they've been reporting deaths more liberally than other states all along, or (b) some of the covid 19 cases have lingered and just gotten worse over time resulting in an eventual death. Or possibly the strain in the northeast has been stronger all along than what we're seeing in the south and west.

California will be over 5000 cases today. Texas over 4000. Florida over 3000. I guess that's to be expected when you're talking about the three most populated states. But 1000 cases in South Carolina yet again (with 1/8 of the population of California) and 1265 new cases in Mississippi (with 1/10 of the population of Texas)?? Mississippi also reported 35 deaths which is the 2nd highest total of any state behind New York.

I still think there could be college football. But very few fans in the stadium (there can be some tailgating outside of the stadium where you can social distance better). And I think you may as well be paying the athletes because to have them risk themselves for no money seems to be awfully unfair.

We know that there is a variation in how states report deaths. Some will only report it as Covid if they have a positive test results. Others will go by the symptons. It is important to note that the tests aren't as accurate as many would believe - my best friend and his husband both had all the symptoms. He only tested positive after 3 tests, his husband, despite being extremely sick (to the point where his doctor wonders how he survived) never tested positive.

Texas and Florida have had a huge spike in pneumonia deaths, which is a symptom of Covid - most of them are likely Covid-related but not reported that way.

In addition, one of the big factors in death/severe illness is the amount of virus that you are exposed/inhale. The more virus in the initial exposure, the sicker you get right away, and it overwhelms the system. So it stands to reason that the initial cities that had a lot of exposure before we knew what was going on would have the sickest people.. Measures taken since (social distancing, sanitizing, masks, etc) reduce the amount of virus that most are exposed to, leading to milder cases.
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