Quote:Democrats confident that they have the November 2020 election in the bag better check themselves, says left-wing filmmaker Michael Moore, who warns that former Vice President Joe Biden has nowhere near the same amount of enthusiasm as President Trump.

In an Instagram post on Saturday, Moore noted that President Trump’s big rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma – the first of its kind since the COVID-19 pandemic started – is drawing big crowds, with numbers far exceeding those of the Biden campaign.

“They started lining up on Tues in Tulsa for Trump’s rally today. 100,000 are expected!” wrote Moore. “Trump has lost none of his base and they are more rabid than ever. Sleeping on the sidewalk for five nights just to get in to see Trump? THAT is commitment. Do not take Trump for granted. Don’t think he can’t win. Don’t get all cocky telling everyone there’s no way he’s winning the White House because, frankly, you sound a lot like yourself four years ago when you told everyone there’s no way this country is going to put a clown in the Oval Office.”

Indeed, Michael Moore issued the first warnings for Democrats way back in 2016 when he begged them to take Trump seriously. Given that Moore had roots in the American Rust Belt, the filmmaker knew the type of people that would resonate with Trump’s message. When it comes to Joe Biden – the man Democrats have tapped to beat Trump in November – Michael Moore quite candidly admitted that the former VP just cannot generate enthusiasm.

“If you are once again not taking my warnings seriously, then I have a question I want you to answer, and I ask you to answer me honestly: ‘How many people would line up for five days just to hear Joe Biden talk?’ 12? 5? None?” asked Moore. “The candidate who inspires the most people in the swing states to excitedly get to the polls — and ensure that each of them bring 10-20 of their friends & family w/ them on Election Day — all of them highly-motivated, fired-up, & ‘on a mission from God’ — THAT’S who wins the White House.”

Lastly, Moore warned Democrats against the impulse of smugly dismissing the “Bubbas” in Oklahoma.

“Don’t get all smug laughing at these Bubbas in Tulsa today & snickering over how many of them are going to come down with Covid-19,” he exclaimed. “They live, eat and breathe Trump – and none of us do that with Joe Biden. We’re counting on Hatred of Trump – not love of Biden – to win the day.”

“Is that how you really think – hate beats love?” he continued. “Like, the more we ply our neighbor’s hatred of Trump, that’s the ticket to win? Because deep down we know there’s no massive, intense love of Joe Biden, no one is all dreamy and jazzy when they think about Joe Biden’s jobs plan, Joe Biden’s health care plan, child care plan, criminal justice plan, income inequality plan – ‘Mike! Stop! We get it.’ Trump’s ppl will pack the polling sites. Our people will, well…well…they’ll be there!”

Michael Moore concluded by asking for a “Plan B” if all else fails and Trump really does steamroll over Biden. “Biden has to rock everyone’s world to win. I’m just the messenger,” he admitted.

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Mikey ain't all that bright but I think he's smart enough to realize that ol' Joey is nothing more than a place holder. He's just there to get the Dems back in the WH. Then he'll be quickly ushered out of the way and his (likely) extremely radical VP handed the reins.

Fat Mike trying to use reverse psychology on us.

I am seeing the far left on Twitter attacking Joe for being in the pockets of big corporations. They are trying so hard to cancelled him as well.

Well, Jabba the Hut's message is correct. If the left doesn't want to listen, fine. Is the anti-Trump sentiment on the left strong enough to overcome little enthusiasm for Joe?

But there is a flip side of that equation as well. Remember in 2016 that a lot of voters who voted for Trump did so out of an extreme dislike and fear of a sHrillary Presidency. Some were dems. While many of us just chuckle at slo Joe and recognize his cognitive shortcomings, there is not that visceral dislike of him like there was for Clinton. Even on the dem side there is little enthusiasm for Joe. In that respect, there may not be the voter motivation on the right like there was in '16. However, remember that many conservatives back in '16 said they were tired of being painted as racists, etc. just because of their politics. That hasn't changed and in fact that feeling may be just as strong this time around.

One important statistic stands out over the past month that may point to a large segment of the population that craves law and order. Record breaking gun sales. You can't massage that number or call it spin. It's a fact. Not all those folks are Trump voters, either. In fact I know of several that swore they'd never have a gun in their house but now have two. First time gun owners. It is possible that they may vote for Trump as well vs the guy who says he's gonna take your guns.

While some Trump supporters may have been down on him for the covid fiasco, the protests turning into nationwide rioting, the canceling of people for speaking out are issues that will translate into more Trump voters. They'll just be more quiet about it. While dems may point out that the polls have Joe winning right now, we know that the polls mean little at this time.

I can't predict any more what will happen in this election, but I suspect that DT will get four more years (of a leftwing tantrum).

6k MAGA-ing in Tulsa last night... just 996,000 short of projections.
Mike is right. Trump is on fire.

Millions more watched online.

I know that fact doesn't help your narrative. I encourage you to celebrate the impending Biden victory and make sure to tell all your democrat friends that Biden's got this one in the bag, no need to vote.

(06-21-2020 07:21 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Millions more watched online.

I know that fact doesn't help your narrative. I encourage you to celebrate the impending Biden victory and make sure to tell all your democrat friends that Biden's got this one in the bag, no need to vote.

If the election were tomorrow, Biden would comfortably win. It’s not, however.

The question right now is “does Biden have to do or say anything” in order to win in November. Typically, running a campaign on just not being the other guy is not good enough for the challenger, but I don’t know if we’ve ever seen such an inept incumbent.

" all of them highly-motivated, fired-up, & ‘on a mission from God’ — "
That's exactly 'one' of the reasons. We know not every one is a Christian but we also feel that even those that are not do not want what the Demons are promising us. We see the writing on the wall and you can see a lot of it in Demoncraptic run cities all over their walls and windows. It's who they are, law breaking, lying about the average Joe when it's all about the change in ideology. One of Freedom to one of Socialism. Those pampered kids out having a great day don't know this but if the Demons get into office they'll be suffering like the rest of us. They'll have no laws to stop them either. Trump is right now even having a hard time incarcerating even one, and they know it. American laws help the evil ones.

This is the second candidate in a row that the plurality of Democrats didn’t really want.

(06-21-2020 09:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This is the second candidate in a row that the plurality of Democrats didn’t really want.

That’s a shrewd point. It actually happens quite often — did most Republicans really want McCain in 2008 or Romney in 2012? Or did they just settle because there seemed to be no better options?

And while it’s been mostly forgotten, the honest truth is that Bill Clinton had nowhere close to majority support among Democrats in the Feb.-March-April primaries of 1992. As the process unfolded, other candidates gradually dropped out and Clinton was basically the last man standing. But that could easily have gone a different direction.

When a party’s plurality don’t want a candidate they usually fall pretty flat.

It’s hard to get out the vote when people didn’t want you to begin with.

You can’t fake enthusiasm. There is hooker joke in there somewhere....

(06-21-2020 07:13 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Mike is right. Trump is on fire.

In 2016, Michael Moore not only sounded the alarm for his fellow-Progressives/Leftists about a possible Trump victory over Clinton, he did so months in advance of the election (starting in June/July), and he even said exactly how it would happen: Trump “will drive a truck through the heart of Big Ten country” or words to that effect. The rest is history.

It’s amazing to think that Progressives/Leftists would disregard his warnings *Again*, especially when they are being led by a candidate like Joseph Biden (!!!). Yet here we are.

Amazing to me that with all the violence we've seen recently, all from the left, that Biden could really be leading. I suspect the polls are similar to the last cycle and inaccurate as hell. I expect Trump to win even more states this time including Minnesota. That state was very close last time and now the voters there have had a dose of dem reality.

(06-21-2020 06:30 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Well, Jabba the Hut's message is correct. If the left doesn't want to listen, fine. Is the anti-Trump sentiment on the left strong enough to overcome little enthusiasm for Joe?

But there is a flip side of that equation as well. Remember in 2016 that a lot of voters who voted for Trump did so out of an extreme dislike and fear of a sHrillary Presidency. Some were dems. While many of us just chuckle at slo Joe and recognize his cognitive shortcomings, there is not that visceral dislike of him like there was for Clinton. Even on the dem side there is little enthusiasm for Joe. In that respect, there may not be the voter motivation on the right like there was in '16. However, remember that many conservatives back in '16 said they were tired of being painted as racists, etc. just because of their politics. That hasn't changed and in fact that feeling may be just as strong this time around.

One important statistic stands out over the past month that may point to a large segment of the population that craves law and order. Record breaking gun sales. You can't massage that number or call it spin. It's a fact. Not all those folks are Trump voters, either. In fact I know of several that swore they'd never have a gun in their house but now have two. First time gun owners. It is possible that they may vote for Trump as well vs the guy who says he's gonna take your guns.

While some Trump supporters may have been down on him for the covid fiasco, the protests turning into nationwide rioting, the canceling of people for speaking out are issues that will translate into more Trump voters. They'll just be more quiet about it. While dems may point out that the polls have Joe winning right now, we know that the polls mean little at this time.

I can't predict any more what will happen in this election, but I suspect that DT will get four more years (of a leftwing tantrum).

You have that wrong...a ton of republicans voted for Trump because of their hatred of Hillary. The democrats that won Trump the election did so because Trump was talking to them....

lower to working class blue collar vote. That group was left behind by both sides till Trump ran and the dislike of Hillary had nothing to do with the group of voters that pushed Trump to the White House. JOBS, RETURNING JOBS, AMERICA FIRST. The group that use to be the backbone of the democrat party finally had a republican, well at least running on that ticket.....

who had their best interest at heart

(06-21-2020 11:00 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Amazing to me that with all the violence we've seen recently, all from the left, that Biden could really be leading. I suspect the polls are similar to the last cycle and inaccurate as hell. I expect Trump to win even more states this time including Minnesota. That state was very close last time and now the voters there have had a dose of dem reality.

Maybe it'll change now that BLM is going for the founding fathers. Before then Trump was looking like a Nero figure. Voters will tolerate a lot, but weakness in the face of strife is not one of those things.

(06-21-2020 07:29 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 07:21 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Millions more watched online.

I know that fact doesn't help your narrative. I encourage you to celebrate the impending Biden victory and make sure to tell all your democrat friends that Biden's got this one in the bag, no need to vote.

If the election were tomorrow, Biden would comfortably win. It’s not, however.

The question right now is “does Biden have to do or say anything” in order to win in November. Typically, running a campaign on just not being the other guy is not good enough for the challenger, but I don’t know if we’ve ever seen such an inept incumbent.

You’ve already forgotten zerO?

If held today, Trump wins in a walk. Don’t kid yourself, Man! You ain’t black!!!

Biden is the sacrificial ******* for The Left this presidential election cycle. The Kerry feel is strong in Biden.
We heard the same comments about Kerry and he faced a candidate that Conservatives were lukewarm about at best.

The Left actually expected Kerry to win in a landslide.

Moore is right. Thankfully the Lefts base is vocal but lazy when it comes to voting. The Bernie Bro’s are still the loud and mad. The only way The Left wins is if they cheat.

I think lots of D's realize Joe isn't the best candidate. There's a reason we are seeing all this "SECOND WAVE" news lately.

Per Democrats on sites like Reddit, Biden's gonna win in a landslide b/c he's up 10% in polls. Might as well just start planning his victory parade

(06-22-2020 08:52 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Per Democrats on sites like Reddit, Biden's gonna win in a landslide b/c he's up 10% in polls. Might as well just start planning his victory parade

Reddit is liberal echo chamber. Heck, according to my local subreddit Bernie was going win VA. He had huge a huge rally attending by thousands. Biden won VA. Just something to keep in mind that Reddit in NO WAY represents the majority of Americans.