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Death Rate & Deaths Per Day going down & downer every day.

If season cancelled, really don't see why they can't delay it till Spring - unless we get a Third Wave.

If season cancelled, one word of comfort might be that all schools are dealing w/ the financial repercussions, not just Western.

Patriot League Restrictions Imperil Non-Conference Football Games, Signaling Cancellations to Come

Quote:No Patriot League teams will fly to competitions and, with rare exceptions, regular-season competition will exclude overnight travel. That would certainly preclude Fordham from playing at Hawaii, and seemingly Colgate at Western Michigan (nearly a 600-mile drive, one-way).

(06-23-2020 08:08 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:40 AM)Broncos83 Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 08:20 PM)brovol Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 12:11 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 12:07 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  The students/players will be spreaders regardless if there is football or not, maybe even more so with no football season as that keeps them super busy. The coaches, admins, professors, etc all have free will to take that risk or not. I would think they could take FMLA or work remotely if they are worried. Fans also have freedom of choice to attend games in person if that is allowed or just watch from home.

2/3 of millennials testing positive here in Florida are showing little or no symptoms.

I can't think of another "pandemic"-worthy disease in history I would rather have than covid-19. I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have it than a regular respiratory infection, or seasonal flu. And for a crazy contagious disease, I still only know one person who has gotten it since the beginning, and most of the people I know say exactly the same thing. Most agenda-based panic ever. But until the election in November, it will be pushed, along with the other nutsiness, because without it they won't get their senile candidate in the Whitehouse.

Wow! Gotta love the old “people I know” theory. Very scientific and reliable. Let’s just say I hope you stay healthy.

Almost as good as those scientific 1-2 million projected deaths in the US.

Yeah...you’re right. I guess over 120,000 deaths over 3+ months is a big win in your book. All this while locking ourselves away for months at a time. By the way, I really enjoyed your boy’s rally in Tulsa. I called it Trump’s version of MACtion! Hey at least we have excuses...weeknights and cold weather.

(06-23-2020 07:10 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Politically-motivated hoax. Another Trumpster. Expected better from you.

If you read first-person accounts from people who actually experienced COVID-19 you might feel differently even if you want to ignore the still-mounting death toll.

And the long-term effects are unknown but sound potentially life-altering.

I don't claim covid-19 is a hoax, and never have. Nor am I a "Trumpster" (although I admit, as the left continues to manifest outrageous and nonsensical extremisms over the past few month, far beyond even my wildest imagination, I am siding more to the Trump end of the spectrum, and think many other previously anti-Trump folks are too). I do, however, firmly believe we are being manipulated, and those who manipulate to fulfill an agenda use all mechanisms and circumstances available. Covid-19 and social unrest are conspicuous examples of opportunities or vehicles which serve as kindling for capable manipulators in politics, media, or elsewhere to start fire.

The President, regardless of what he did or didn't do, was going to be torn apart by the left and the media (which is the publication division of the left). He was criticized for not "shutting down" the country literally at the same time the same pundits and politicians were insisting (correctly) that he has no authority to shut anything down, as that is vested within the states and their governors. He was criticized as racist when he closed travel from China, by the exact same people who now claim he didn't do it soon enough. He has been slammed by the left for expressing a "positive" outlook of Americas covid-19 recovery, and giving daily briefings in person, when, if President Obama did exactly the same thing, the media and the left would have described him as heroic, and compared the briefings to FDR's fireside chats (calming, comforting and inspiring).

While many on the left wanted to diminish the significance of the economic growth during the first four years of this administration, the reality is that any incumbent president would love to have such numbers, and while I was not a Trump fan, I do believe he deserves the credit for the turnaround. The only thing that would stop the momentum of that fast moving economic train was an artificial stoppage of the economy. Covid-19 did it.

I am indeed skeptical of covid-19 being deemed a "pandemic", and anyone who has paid any attention at all would have to concede that it isn't the lethal and uncontainable disease that the "experts" immediately claimed it was, leading to models and US death predictions in the multi-millions, ".....if Trump didnt do the right things". Where is the credit from those same experts now?

Lets not lose sight of the fact that during the early stages of this thing (but at the same time many were already critical of Trump not taking covid-19 seriously) Democrats, including Pelosi, that Bozo mayor of NYC, and many others, were encouraging people to go out and mingle socially at large public functions. The double standard is beyond hypocrisy, it is hilarity. Only those who have given up entirely on free thought, and follow this insanity without the scrutiny of logic, the facts, or historical perspective, cant see what is happening with the manipulation.

The left kept saying "follow the science and the numbers". But now, both the science and the numbers prove covid-19 is far different that what was previously thought. In fact, we now know, without question, that there is a very specific category of people who are vulnerable, and those people are the same exact people who have always been very vulnerable to almost any virus, flu or bug; very old, and people with pulmonary, heart or other like weaknesses. Most others who get covid-19 are not at serious risk; and a large percentage have no symptoms at all.

But you are right, if I had first person experiences of people who have suffered from covid-19 my perspective might be different. But the reality is that most people in America don't have such experience, because suffering from covid-19 is not nearly as rampant as most would have us believe. It is not a hoax, but is is likewise not worthy of shutting down our economy; and it never has been. Facts vs fiction.

(06-23-2020 07:40 AM)Broncos83 Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 08:20 PM)brovol Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 12:11 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 12:07 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 11:34 AM)Broncos83 Wrote:  Newsflash...”the kids” then potentially become spreaders to others, many times without even knowing it. Old people (like me, their coaches, administrators, their profs) don’t seem to fair quite as well. Also, while surviving, many young people are suffering significant damage...sometime long term. I hope they play too but this is not an easy call. With no vaccine in the apparent near term, I just wish big strides could be made on the treatment side. Believe me, I can handle getting ill, etc. just don’t feel like croaking or suffering lung damage at this stage in my life. Just the opinion of an old guy.

The students/players will be spreaders regardless if there is football or not, maybe even more so with no football season as that keeps them super busy. The coaches, admins, professors, etc all have free will to take that risk or not. I would think they could take FMLA or work remotely if they are worried. Fans also have freedom of choice to attend games in person if that is allowed or just watch from home.

2/3 of millennials testing positive here in Florida are showing little or no symptoms.

I can't think of another "pandemic"-worthy disease in history I would rather have than covid-19. I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have it than a regular respiratory infection, or seasonal flu. And for a crazy contagious disease, I still only know one person who has gotten it since the beginning, and most of the people I know say exactly the same thing. Most agenda-based panic ever. But until the election in November, it will be pushed, along with the other nutsiness, because without it they won't get their senile candidate in the Whitehouse.

Wow! Gotta love the old “people I know” theory. Very scientific and reliable. Let’s just say I hope you stay healthy.

I guess I am weird by today's standards; I base my opinions and make judgements on what I actually see and experience, rather that what others tell me to believe. Some may argue that is a good thing.

Okay, assuming people are comfortable w/ season being played, but game w/ Colgate still cancelled, what would be option? The other teams in Colgate's league are scheduled to play Hawaii & San Diego St. Would we really want to fly out to the West Coast? Would a team w/out a cancelled game be able to play a 13th game?

All hypothetical as I see (and I think most of you now do too) whole season being cancelled, but am curious what options would be anyways.

(06-24-2020 07:27 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:10 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Politically-motivated hoax. Another Trumpster. Expected better from you.

If you read first-person accounts from people who actually experienced COVID-19 you might feel differently even if you want to ignore the still-mounting death toll.

And the long-term effects are unknown but sound potentially life-altering.

I don't claim covid-19 is a hoax, and never have. Nor am I a "Trumpster" (although I admit, as the left continues to manifest outrageous and nonsensical extremisms over the past few month, far beyond even my wildest imagination, I am siding more to the Trump end of the spectrum, and think many other previously anti-Trump folks are too). I do, however, firmly believe we are being manipulated, and those who manipulate to fulfill an agenda use all mechanisms and circumstances available. Covid-19 and social unrest are conspicuous examples of opportunities or vehicles which serve as kindling for capable manipulators in politics, media, or elsewhere to start fire.

The President, regardless of what he did or didn't do, was going to be torn apart by the left and the media (which is the publication division of the left). He was criticized for not "shutting down" the country literally at the same time the same pundits and politicians were insisting (correctly) that he has no authority to shut anything down, as that is vested within the states and their governors. He was criticized as racist when he closed travel from China, by the exact same people who now claim he didn't do it soon enough. He has been slammed by the left for expressing a "positive" outlook of Americas covid-19 recovery, and giving daily briefings in person, when, if President Obama did exactly the same thing, the media and the left would have described him as heroic, and compared the briefings to FDR's fireside chats (calming, comforting and inspiring).

While many on the left wanted to diminish the significance of the economic growth during the first four years of this administration, the reality is that any incumbent president would love to have such numbers, and while I was not a Trump fan, I do believe he deserves the credit for the turnaround. The only thing that would stop the momentum of that fast moving economic train was an artificial stoppage of the economy. Covid-19 did it.

I am indeed skeptical of covid-19 being deemed a "pandemic", and anyone who has paid any attention at all would have to concede that it isn't the lethal and uncontainable disease that the "experts" immediately claimed it was, leading to models and US death predictions in the multi-millions, ".....if Trump didnt do the right things". Where is the credit from those same experts now?

Lets not lose sight of the fact that during the early stages of this thing (but at the same time many were already critical of Trump not taking covid-19 seriously) Democrats, including Pelosi, that Bozo mayor of NYC, and many others, were encouraging people to go out and mingle socially at large public functions. The double standard is beyond hypocrisy, it is hilarity. Only those who have given up entirely on free thought, and follow this insanity without the scrutiny of logic, the facts, or historical perspective, cant see what is happening with the manipulation.

The left kept saying "follow the science and the numbers". But now, both the science and the numbers prove covid-19 is far different that what was previously thought. In fact, we now know, without question, that there is a very specific category of people who are vulnerable, and those people are the same exact people who have always been very vulnerable to almost any virus, flu or bug; very old, and people with pulmonary, heart or other like weaknesses. Most others who get covid-19 are not at serious risk; and a large percentage have no symptoms at all.

But you are right, if I had first person experiences of people who have suffered from covid-19 my perspective might be different. But the reality is that most people in America don't have such experience, because suffering from covid-19 is not nearly as rampant as most would have us believe. It is not a hoax, but is is likewise not worthy of shutting down our economy; and it never has been. Facts vs fiction.

yep

(06-24-2020 07:27 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:10 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Politically-motivated hoax. Another Trumpster. Expected better from you.

If you read first-person accounts from people who actually experienced COVID-19 you might feel differently even if you want to ignore the still-mounting death toll.

And the long-term effects are unknown but sound potentially life-altering.

I don't claim covid-19 is a hoax, and never have. Nor am I a "Trumpster" (although I admit, as the left continues to manifest outrageous and nonsensical extremisms over the past few month, far beyond even my wildest imagination, I am siding more to the Trump end of the spectrum, and think many other previously anti-Trump folks are too). I do, however, firmly believe we are being manipulated, and those who manipulate to fulfill an agenda use all mechanisms and circumstances available. Covid-19 and social unrest are conspicuous examples of opportunities or vehicles which serve as kindling for capable manipulators in politics, media, or elsewhere to start fire.

The President, regardless of what he did or didn't do, was going to be torn apart by the left and the media (which is the publication division of the left). He was criticized for not "shutting down" the country literally at the same time the same pundits and politicians were insisting (correctly) that he has no authority to shut anything down, as that is vested within the states and their governors. He was criticized as racist when he closed travel from China, by the exact same people who now claim he didn't do it soon enough. He has been slammed by the left for expressing a "positive" outlook of Americas covid-19 recovery, and giving daily briefings in person, when, if President Obama did exactly the same thing, the media and the left would have described him as heroic, and compared the briefings to FDR's fireside chats (calming, comforting and inspiring).

While many on the left wanted to diminish the significance of the economic growth during the first four years of this administration, the reality is that any incumbent president would love to have such numbers, and while I was not a Trump fan, I do believe he deserves the credit for the turnaround. The only thing that would stop the momentum of that fast moving economic train was an artificial stoppage of the economy. Covid-19 did it.

I am indeed skeptical of covid-19 being deemed a "pandemic", and anyone who has paid any attention at all would have to concede that it isn't the lethal and uncontainable disease that the "experts" immediately claimed it was, leading to models and US death predictions in the multi-millions, ".....if Trump didnt do the right things". Where is the credit from those same experts now?

Lets not lose sight of the fact that during the early stages of this thing (but at the same time many were already critical of Trump not taking covid-19 seriously) Democrats, including Pelosi, that Bozo mayor of NYC, and many others, were encouraging people to go out and mingle socially at large public functions. The double standard is beyond hypocrisy, it is hilarity. Only those who have given up entirely on free thought, and follow this insanity without the scrutiny of logic, the facts, or historical perspective, cant see what is happening with the manipulation.

The left kept saying "follow the science and the numbers". But now, both the science and the numbers prove covid-19 is far different that what was previously thought. In fact, we now know, without question, that there is a very specific category of people who are vulnerable, and those people are the same exact people who have always been very vulnerable to almost any virus, flu or bug; very old, and people with pulmonary, heart or other like weaknesses. Most others who get covid-19 are not at serious risk; and a large percentage have no symptoms at all.

But you are right, if I had first person experiences of people who have suffered from covid-19 my perspective might be different. But the reality is that most people in America don't have such experience, because suffering from covid-19 is not nearly as rampant as most would have us believe. It is not a hoax, but is is likewise not worthy of shutting down our economy; and it never has been. Facts vs fiction.

Best post I've read on the Internet in a long, long time. You've managed to articulate EXACTLY how I feel about the state of the world we're in.

I second that!

Bravo, brovol!

FIRE UP CHIPS! :)

5 NE States have accounted for over 50% of the US's
Covid Deaths and almost 40% of the Active Cases.
Amazingly enough, some of most populous States
with low ranked healthcare systems, have significantly lower mortality rates. Some things that
might explain the stark differences could be stage of virus mutation and good old mismanagement.

(06-24-2020 09:47 AM)Maroon Zone Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:27 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:10 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Politically-motivated hoax. Another Trumpster. Expected better from you.

If you read first-person accounts from people who actually experienced COVID-19 you might feel differently even if you want to ignore the still-mounting death toll.

And the long-term effects are unknown but sound potentially life-altering.

I don't claim covid-19 is a hoax, and never have. Nor am I a "Trumpster" (although I admit, as the left continues to manifest outrageous and nonsensical extremisms over the past few month, far beyond even my wildest imagination, I am siding more to the Trump end of the spectrum, and think many other previously anti-Trump folks are too). I do, however, firmly believe we are being manipulated, and those who manipulate to fulfill an agenda use all mechanisms and circumstances available. Covid-19 and social unrest are conspicuous examples of opportunities or vehicles which serve as kindling for capable manipulators in politics, media, or elsewhere to start fire.

The President, regardless of what he did or didn't do, was going to be torn apart by the left and the media (which is the publication division of the left). He was criticized for not "shutting down" the country literally at the same time the same pundits and politicians were insisting (correctly) that he has no authority to shut anything down, as that is vested within the states and their governors. He was criticized as racist when he closed travel from China, by the exact same people who now claim he didn't do it soon enough. He has been slammed by the left for expressing a "positive" outlook of Americas covid-19 recovery, and giving daily briefings in person, when, if President Obama did exactly the same thing, the media and the left would have described him as heroic, and compared the briefings to FDR's fireside chats (calming, comforting and inspiring).

While many on the left wanted to diminish the significance of the economic growth during the first four years of this administration, the reality is that any incumbent president would love to have such numbers, and while I was not a Trump fan, I do believe he deserves the credit for the turnaround. The only thing that would stop the momentum of that fast moving economic train was an artificial stoppage of the economy. Covid-19 did it.

I am indeed skeptical of covid-19 being deemed a "pandemic", and anyone who has paid any attention at all would have to concede that it isn't the lethal and uncontainable disease that the "experts" immediately claimed it was, leading to models and US death predictions in the multi-millions, ".....if Trump didnt do the right things". Where is the credit from those same experts now?

Lets not lose sight of the fact that during the early stages of this thing (but at the same time many were already critical of Trump not taking covid-19 seriously) Democrats, including Pelosi, that Bozo mayor of NYC, and many others, were encouraging people to go out and mingle socially at large public functions. The double standard is beyond hypocrisy, it is hilarity. Only those who have given up entirely on free thought, and follow this insanity without the scrutiny of logic, the facts, or historical perspective, cant see what is happening with the manipulation.

The left kept saying "follow the science and the numbers". But now, both the science and the numbers prove covid-19 is far different that what was previously thought. In fact, we now know, without question, that there is a very specific category of people who are vulnerable, and those people are the same exact people who have always been very vulnerable to almost any virus, flu or bug; very old, and people with pulmonary, heart or other like weaknesses. Most others who get covid-19 are not at serious risk; and a large percentage have no symptoms at all.

But you are right, if I had first person experiences of people who have suffered from covid-19 my perspective might be different. But the reality is that most people in America don't have such experience, because suffering from covid-19 is not nearly as rampant as most would have us believe. It is not a hoax, but is is likewise not worthy of shutting down our economy; and it never has been. Facts vs fiction.

Best post I've read on the Internet in a long, long time. You've managed to articulate EXACTLY how I feel about the state of the world we're in.

Yep, pretty much summed up the thoughts of the silent majority.

Silent majority... huh

(06-24-2020 07:27 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:10 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Politically-motivated hoax. Another Trumpster. Expected better from you.

If you read first-person accounts from people who actually experienced COVID-19 you might feel differently even if you want to ignore the still-mounting death toll.

And the long-term effects are unknown but sound potentially life-altering.

I don't claim covid-19 is a hoax, and never have. Nor am I a "Trumpster" (although I admit, as the left continues to manifest outrageous and nonsensical extremisms over the past few month, far beyond even my wildest imagination, I am siding more to the Trump end of the spectrum, and think many other previously anti-Trump folks are too). I do, however, firmly believe we are being manipulated, and those who manipulate to fulfill an agenda use all mechanisms and circumstances available. Covid-19 and social unrest are conspicuous examples of opportunities or vehicles which serve as kindling for capable manipulators in politics, media, or elsewhere to start fire.

The President, regardless of what he did or didn't do, was going to be torn apart by the left and the media (which is the publication division of the left). He was criticized for not "shutting down" the country literally at the same time the same pundits and politicians were insisting (correctly) that he has no authority to shut anything down, as that is vested within the states and their governors. He was criticized as racist when he closed travel from China, by the exact same people who now claim he didn't do it soon enough. He has been slammed by the left for expressing a "positive" outlook of Americas covid-19 recovery, and giving daily briefings in person, when, if President Obama did exactly the same thing, the media and the left would have described him as heroic, and compared the briefings to FDR's fireside chats (calming, comforting and inspiring).

While many on the left wanted to diminish the significance of the economic growth during the first four years of this administration, the reality is that any incumbent president would love to have such numbers, and while I was not a Trump fan, I do believe he deserves the credit for the turnaround. The only thing that would stop the momentum of that fast moving economic train was an artificial stoppage of the economy. Covid-19 did it.

I am indeed skeptical of covid-19 being deemed a "pandemic", and anyone who has paid any attention at all would have to concede that it isn't the lethal and uncontainable disease that the "experts" immediately claimed it was, leading to models and US death predictions in the multi-millions, ".....if Trump didnt do the right things". Where is the credit from those same experts now?

Lets not lose sight of the fact that during the early stages of this thing (but at the same time many were already critical of Trump not taking covid-19 seriously) Democrats, including Pelosi, that Bozo mayor of NYC, and many others, were encouraging people to go out and mingle socially at large public functions. The double standard is beyond hypocrisy, it is hilarity. Only those who have given up entirely on free thought, and follow this insanity without the scrutiny of logic, the facts, or historical perspective, cant see what is happening with the manipulation.

The left kept saying "follow the science and the numbers". But now, both the science and the numbers prove covid-19 is far different that what was previously thought. In fact, we now know, without question, that there is a very specific category of people who are vulnerable, and those people are the same exact people who have always been very vulnerable to almost any virus, flu or bug; very old, and people with pulmonary, heart or other like weaknesses. Most others who get covid-19 are not at serious risk; and a large percentage have no symptoms at all.

But you are right, if I had first person experiences of people who have suffered from covid-19 my perspective might be different. But the reality is that most people in America don't have such experience, because suffering from covid-19 is not nearly as rampant as most would have us believe. It is not a hoax, but is is likewise not worthy of shutting down our economy; and it never has been. Facts vs fiction.

Bravo Brovol!!

(06-24-2020 05:09 PM)WMUPorter Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:27 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:10 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Politically-motivated hoax. Another Trumpster. Expected better from you.

If you read first-person accounts from people who actually experienced COVID-19 you might feel differently even if you want to ignore the still-mounting death toll.

And the long-term effects are unknown but sound potentially life-altering.

I don't claim covid-19 is a hoax, and never have. Nor am I a "Trumpster" (although I admit, as the left continues to manifest outrageous and nonsensical extremisms over the past few month, far beyond even my wildest imagination, I am siding more to the Trump end of the spectrum, and think many other previously anti-Trump folks are too). I do, however, firmly believe we are being manipulated, and those who manipulate to fulfill an agenda use all mechanisms and circumstances available. Covid-19 and social unrest are conspicuous examples of opportunities or vehicles which serve as kindling for capable manipulators in politics, media, or elsewhere to start fire.

The President, regardless of what he did or didn't do, was going to be torn apart by the left and the media (which is the publication division of the left). He was criticized for not "shutting down" the country literally at the same time the same pundits and politicians were insisting (correctly) that he has no authority to shut anything down, as that is vested within the states and their governors. He was criticized as racist when he closed travel from China, by the exact same people who now claim he didn't do it soon enough. He has been slammed by the left for expressing a "positive" outlook of Americas covid-19 recovery, and giving daily briefings in person, when, if President Obama did exactly the same thing, the media and the left would have described him as heroic, and compared the briefings to FDR's fireside chats (calming, comforting and inspiring).

While many on the left wanted to diminish the significance of the economic growth during the first four years of this administration, the reality is that any incumbent president would love to have such numbers, and while I was not a Trump fan, I do believe he deserves the credit for the turnaround. The only thing that would stop the momentum of that fast moving economic train was an artificial stoppage of the economy. Covid-19 did it.

I am indeed skeptical of covid-19 being deemed a "pandemic", and anyone who has paid any attention at all would have to concede that it isn't the lethal and uncontainable disease that the "experts" immediately claimed it was, leading to models and US death predictions in the multi-millions, ".....if Trump didnt do the right things". Where is the credit from those same experts now?

Lets not lose sight of the fact that during the early stages of this thing (but at the same time many were already critical of Trump not taking covid-19 seriously) Democrats, including Pelosi, that Bozo mayor of NYC, and many others, were encouraging people to go out and mingle socially at large public functions. The double standard is beyond hypocrisy, it is hilarity. Only those who have given up entirely on free thought, and follow this insanity without the scrutiny of logic, the facts, or historical perspective, cant see what is happening with the manipulation.

The left kept saying "follow the science and the numbers". But now, both the science and the numbers prove covid-19 is far different that what was previously thought. In fact, we now know, without question, that there is a very specific category of people who are vulnerable, and those people are the same exact people who have always been very vulnerable to almost any virus, flu or bug; very old, and people with pulmonary, heart or other like weaknesses. Most others who get covid-19 are not at serious risk; and a large percentage have no symptoms at all.

But you are right, if I had first person experiences of people who have suffered from covid-19 my perspective might be different. But the reality is that most people in America don't have such experience, because suffering from covid-19 is not nearly as rampant as most would have us believe. It is not a hoax, but is is likewise not worthy of shutting down our economy; and it never has been. Facts vs fiction.

Bravo Brovol!!

I can be self aware and personally responsible based on the fact that many won’t... but that’s up to me. I will do all I can do to stop the spread...

Now let’s look at the current spread vs death rates... yep it’s not fitting a narrative so it’s no longer an opportunity...

Any death is awful... but let’s stop being blinded by the direction we are being lead into. Clean your hands. Move on.

Guys, it doesn't matter how you feel about getting it, or whether it's as bad as some predicted.

If hospitals begin to reach capacity, more drastic measures are going to be put (back) in place. And we are already starting to see that in certain spots.

Whether it happens everywhere is a different story.

Even if you don't think it's worse than a bad flu, a bad flu strain with zero immunity for ANY of the population would still be a major problem.

(06-24-2020 08:15 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 05:09 PM)WMUPorter Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:27 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:10 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Politically-motivated hoax. Another Trumpster. Expected better from you.

If you read first-person accounts from people who actually experienced COVID-19 you might feel differently even if you want to ignore the still-mounting death toll.

And the long-term effects are unknown but sound potentially life-altering.

I don't claim covid-19 is a hoax, and never have. Nor am I a "Trumpster" (although I admit, as the left continues to manifest outrageous and nonsensical extremisms over the past few month, far beyond even my wildest imagination, I am siding more to the Trump end of the spectrum, and think many other previously anti-Trump folks are too). I do, however, firmly believe we are being manipulated, and those who manipulate to fulfill an agenda use all mechanisms and circumstances available. Covid-19 and social unrest are conspicuous examples of opportunities or vehicles which serve as kindling for capable manipulators in politics, media, or elsewhere to start fire.

The President, regardless of what he did or didn't do, was going to be torn apart by the left and the media (which is the publication division of the left). He was criticized for not "shutting down" the country literally at the same time the same pundits and politicians were insisting (correctly) that he has no authority to shut anything down, as that is vested within the states and their governors. He was criticized as racist when he closed travel from China, by the exact same people who now claim he didn't do it soon enough. He has been slammed by the left for expressing a "positive" outlook of Americas covid-19 recovery, and giving daily briefings in person, when, if President Obama did exactly the same thing, the media and the left would have described him as heroic, and compared the briefings to FDR's fireside chats (calming, comforting and inspiring).

While many on the left wanted to diminish the significance of the economic growth during the first four years of this administration, the reality is that any incumbent president would love to have such numbers, and while I was not a Trump fan, I do believe he deserves the credit for the turnaround. The only thing that would stop the momentum of that fast moving economic train was an artificial stoppage of the economy. Covid-19 did it.

I am indeed skeptical of covid-19 being deemed a "pandemic", and anyone who has paid any attention at all would have to concede that it isn't the lethal and uncontainable disease that the "experts" immediately claimed it was, leading to models and US death predictions in the multi-millions, ".....if Trump didnt do the right things". Where is the credit from those same experts now?

Lets not lose sight of the fact that during the early stages of this thing (but at the same time many were already critical of Trump not taking covid-19 seriously) Democrats, including Pelosi, that Bozo mayor of NYC, and many others, were encouraging people to go out and mingle socially at large public functions. The double standard is beyond hypocrisy, it is hilarity. Only those who have given up entirely on free thought, and follow this insanity without the scrutiny of logic, the facts, or historical perspective, cant see what is happening with the manipulation.

The left kept saying "follow the science and the numbers". But now, both the science and the numbers prove covid-19 is far different that what was previously thought. In fact, we now know, without question, that there is a very specific category of people who are vulnerable, and those people are the same exact people who have always been very vulnerable to almost any virus, flu or bug; very old, and people with pulmonary, heart or other like weaknesses. Most others who get covid-19 are not at serious risk; and a large percentage have no symptoms at all.

But you are right, if I had first person experiences of people who have suffered from covid-19 my perspective might be different. But the reality is that most people in America don't have such experience, because suffering from covid-19 is not nearly as rampant as most would have us believe. It is not a hoax, but is is likewise not worthy of shutting down our economy; and it never has been. Facts vs fiction.

Bravo Brovol!!

I can be self aware and personally responsible based on the fact that many won’t... but that’s up to me. I will do all I can do to stop the spread...

Now let’s look at the current spread vs death rates... yep it’s not fitting a narrative so it’s no longer an opportunity...

Any death is awful... but let’s stop being blinded by the direction we are being lead into. Clean your hands. Move on.

Death rates lag behind infection rates by about two weeks.

"Any death is awful" and "move on" in the same sentence is a really bad look. It shows that Americans have become numb to the carnage we're seeing. We're on pace for over 200,000 American deaths. I'm old enough to remember years of congressional hearings and investigations for 4 American deaths in Benghazi. But yeah... let's just move on and play some football!!!!!

(06-25-2020 10:26 AM)StrikeGold1 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 08:15 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 05:09 PM)WMUPorter Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:27 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:10 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Politically-motivated hoax. Another Trumpster. Expected better from you.

If you read first-person accounts from people who actually experienced COVID-19 you might feel differently even if you want to ignore the still-mounting death toll.

And the long-term effects are unknown but sound potentially life-altering.

I don't claim covid-19 is a hoax, and never have. Nor am I a "Trumpster" (although I admit, as the left continues to manifest outrageous and nonsensical extremisms over the past few month, far beyond even my wildest imagination, I am siding more to the Trump end of the spectrum, and think many other previously anti-Trump folks are too). I do, however, firmly believe we are being manipulated, and those who manipulate to fulfill an agenda use all mechanisms and circumstances available. Covid-19 and social unrest are conspicuous examples of opportunities or vehicles which serve as kindling for capable manipulators in politics, media, or elsewhere to start fire.

The President, regardless of what he did or didn't do, was going to be torn apart by the left and the media (which is the publication division of the left). He was criticized for not "shutting down" the country literally at the same time the same pundits and politicians were insisting (correctly) that he has no authority to shut anything down, as that is vested within the states and their governors. He was criticized as racist when he closed travel from China, by the exact same people who now claim he didn't do it soon enough. He has been slammed by the left for expressing a "positive" outlook of Americas covid-19 recovery, and giving daily briefings in person, when, if President Obama did exactly the same thing, the media and the left would have described him as heroic, and compared the briefings to FDR's fireside chats (calming, comforting and inspiring).

While many on the left wanted to diminish the significance of the economic growth during the first four years of this administration, the reality is that any incumbent president would love to have such numbers, and while I was not a Trump fan, I do believe he deserves the credit for the turnaround. The only thing that would stop the momentum of that fast moving economic train was an artificial stoppage of the economy. Covid-19 did it.

I am indeed skeptical of covid-19 being deemed a "pandemic", and anyone who has paid any attention at all would have to concede that it isn't the lethal and uncontainable disease that the "experts" immediately claimed it was, leading to models and US death predictions in the multi-millions, ".....if Trump didnt do the right things". Where is the credit from those same experts now?

Lets not lose sight of the fact that during the early stages of this thing (but at the same time many were already critical of Trump not taking covid-19 seriously) Democrats, including Pelosi, that Bozo mayor of NYC, and many others, were encouraging people to go out and mingle socially at large public functions. The double standard is beyond hypocrisy, it is hilarity. Only those who have given up entirely on free thought, and follow this insanity without the scrutiny of logic, the facts, or historical perspective, cant see what is happening with the manipulation.

The left kept saying "follow the science and the numbers". But now, both the science and the numbers prove covid-19 is far different that what was previously thought. In fact, we now know, without question, that there is a very specific category of people who are vulnerable, and those people are the same exact people who have always been very vulnerable to almost any virus, flu or bug; very old, and people with pulmonary, heart or other like weaknesses. Most others who get covid-19 are not at serious risk; and a large percentage have no symptoms at all.

But you are right, if I had first person experiences of people who have suffered from covid-19 my perspective might be different. But the reality is that most people in America don't have such experience, because suffering from covid-19 is not nearly as rampant as most would have us believe. It is not a hoax, but is is likewise not worthy of shutting down our economy; and it never has been. Facts vs fiction.

Bravo Brovol!!

I can be self aware and personally responsible based on the fact that many won’t... but that’s up to me. I will do all I can do to stop the spread...

Now let’s look at the current spread vs death rates... yep it’s not fitting a narrative so it’s no longer an opportunity...

Any death is awful... but let’s stop being blinded by the direction we are being lead into. Clean your hands. Move on.

Death rates lag behind infection rates by about two weeks.

"Any death is awful" and "move on" in the same sentence is a really bad look. It shows that Americans have become numb to the carnage we're seeing. We're on pace for over 200,000 American deaths. I'm old enough to remember years of congressional hearings and investigations for 4 American deaths in Benghazi. But yeah... let's just move on and play some football!!!!!

Just like being expected to be numb to burning buildings, looting, defacing Abraham Lincoln, U.S. Grant monuments, and the like. It is a sad point in American history. The values and virtues so many fought and suffered to preserve, and in particular individual liberty, are being urinated on. To make things worse, our press encourages the nastiness, and empowers the hatred. Actually, I hope I never truly get numb to this stuff because it would mean I lost hope.

(06-25-2020 10:26 AM)StrikeGold1 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 08:15 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 05:09 PM)WMUPorter Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:27 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:10 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Politically-motivated hoax. Another Trumpster. Expected better from you.

If you read first-person accounts from people who actually experienced COVID-19 you might feel differently even if you want to ignore the still-mounting death toll.

And the long-term effects are unknown but sound potentially life-altering.

I don't claim covid-19 is a hoax, and never have. Nor am I a "Trumpster" (although I admit, as the left continues to manifest outrageous and nonsensical extremisms over the past few month, far beyond even my wildest imagination, I am siding more to the Trump end of the spectrum, and think many other previously anti-Trump folks are too). I do, however, firmly believe we are being manipulated, and those who manipulate to fulfill an agenda use all mechanisms and circumstances available. Covid-19 and social unrest are conspicuous examples of opportunities or vehicles which serve as kindling for capable manipulators in politics, media, or elsewhere to start fire.

The President, regardless of what he did or didn't do, was going to be torn apart by the left and the media (which is the publication division of the left). He was criticized for not "shutting down" the country literally at the same time the same pundits and politicians were insisting (correctly) that he has no authority to shut anything down, as that is vested within the states and their governors. He was criticized as racist when he closed travel from China, by the exact same people who now claim he didn't do it soon enough. He has been slammed by the left for expressing a "positive" outlook of Americas covid-19 recovery, and giving daily briefings in person, when, if President Obama did exactly the same thing, the media and the left would have described him as heroic, and compared the briefings to FDR's fireside chats (calming, comforting and inspiring).

While many on the left wanted to diminish the significance of the economic growth during the first four years of this administration, the reality is that any incumbent president would love to have such numbers, and while I was not a Trump fan, I do believe he deserves the credit for the turnaround. The only thing that would stop the momentum of that fast moving economic train was an artificial stoppage of the economy. Covid-19 did it.

I am indeed skeptical of covid-19 being deemed a "pandemic", and anyone who has paid any attention at all would have to concede that it isn't the lethal and uncontainable disease that the "experts" immediately claimed it was, leading to models and US death predictions in the multi-millions, ".....if Trump didnt do the right things". Where is the credit from those same experts now?

Lets not lose sight of the fact that during the early stages of this thing (but at the same time many were already critical of Trump not taking covid-19 seriously) Democrats, including Pelosi, that Bozo mayor of NYC, and many others, were encouraging people to go out and mingle socially at large public functions. The double standard is beyond hypocrisy, it is hilarity. Only those who have given up entirely on free thought, and follow this insanity without the scrutiny of logic, the facts, or historical perspective, cant see what is happening with the manipulation.

The left kept saying "follow the science and the numbers". But now, both the science and the numbers prove covid-19 is far different that what was previously thought. In fact, we now know, without question, that there is a very specific category of people who are vulnerable, and those people are the same exact people who have always been very vulnerable to almost any virus, flu or bug; very old, and people with pulmonary, heart or other like weaknesses. Most others who get covid-19 are not at serious risk; and a large percentage have no symptoms at all.

But you are right, if I had first person experiences of people who have suffered from covid-19 my perspective might be different. But the reality is that most people in America don't have such experience, because suffering from covid-19 is not nearly as rampant as most would have us believe. It is not a hoax, but is is likewise not worthy of shutting down our economy; and it never has been. Facts vs fiction.

Bravo Brovol!!

I can be self aware and personally responsible based on the fact that many won’t... but that’s up to me. I will do all I can do to stop the spread...

Now let’s look at the current spread vs death rates... yep it’s not fitting a narrative so it’s no longer an opportunity...

Any death is awful... but let’s stop being blinded by the direction we are being lead into. Clean your hands. Move on.

Death rates lag behind infection rates by about two weeks.

"Any death is awful" and "move on" in the same sentence is a really bad look. It shows that Americans have become numb to the carnage we're seeing. We're on pace for over 200,000 American deaths. I'm old enough to remember years of congressional hearings and investigations for 4 American deaths in Benghazi. But yeah... let's just move on and play some football!!!!!

.....and when elderly and otherwise very sick and unhealthy people died after getting a cold or flu, which served as the straw that broke the camels back, prior to covid-19, where was the compassion and panic?

My mom is 89, and I get concerned for her whenever she gets a hangnail. My dad was 82 when he died, and had pulmonary and heart issues for about the last 30 years of his life. Dad averaged about 5 trips to the emergency room, followed by about a ten day stay, every year it seems, and it was always some cold or bug which turned into a respiratory infection, leading to him being on his near-death-bed. Guy got the anointing of the sick (what we used to call "last rights") so many times we lost count. Last time he got sick he went to the emergency, was admitted for a week, sent home, and after a couple days couldn't breath again, leading to his last ambulance ride. If it was covid-19 that he caught, and it happened today, it would be a covid-19 death, but in reality my dad died because he was very unhealthy, and had beaten the odds more than his share prior to that day. He didn't die because of the cold he got a couple weeks earlier.

When you see that such a high majority of covid-19 deaths are nursing home patients, elderly, and people with very serious health issues, that is a flag which identifies those folks within a class of "super vulnerable", or in other words, people with a very short lifespan regardless. Does this make it less sad or tragic? Nope. But if we are to shut down the country's economy because we have a virus which is so deadly that it is shortening very sick and very elderly peoples lifespan by weeks or days, then why ever open the economy?

Big Gretch signs EO today allowing pro sports to return..............after yesterday's appeal that gyms remain closed




Can our Democrat friends on here start seeing some ineptness/cluelessness/double-standard/just-not-thinking/etc on her behalf?

(06-25-2020 03:42 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Big Gretch signs EO today allowing pro sports to return..............after yesterday's appeal that gyms remain closed




Can our Democrat friends on here start seeing some ineptness/cluelessness/double-standard/just-not-thinking/etc on her behalf?

One of those has a collectively bargained agreement between two parties to ensure safety protocols are met at the highest standard possible. One of those has Chad from the frat down the street cleaning up. Do you not see a difference?

Can our Republican friends on here start seeing the ineptness/cluelessness/double-standard/just-not-thinking/etc of the entire Republican party of the last 20 years?

(06-25-2020 01:53 PM)brovol Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 10:26 AM)StrikeGold1 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 08:15 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 05:09 PM)WMUPorter Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:27 AM)brovol Wrote:  I don't claim covid-19 is a hoax, and never have. Nor am I a "Trumpster" (although I admit, as the left continues to manifest outrageous and nonsensical extremisms over the past few month, far beyond even my wildest imagination, I am siding more to the Trump end of the spectrum, and think many other previously anti-Trump folks are too). I do, however, firmly believe we are being manipulated, and those who manipulate to fulfill an agenda use all mechanisms and circumstances available. Covid-19 and social unrest are conspicuous examples of opportunities or vehicles which serve as kindling for capable manipulators in politics, media, or elsewhere to start fire.

The President, regardless of what he did or didn't do, was going to be torn apart by the left and the media (which is the publication division of the left). He was criticized for not "shutting down" the country literally at the same time the same pundits and politicians were insisting (correctly) that he has no authority to shut anything down, as that is vested within the states and their governors. He was criticized as racist when he closed travel from China, by the exact same people who now claim he didn't do it soon enough. He has been slammed by the left for expressing a "positive" outlook of Americas covid-19 recovery, and giving daily briefings in person, when, if President Obama did exactly the same thing, the media and the left would have described him as heroic, and compared the briefings to FDR's fireside chats (calming, comforting and inspiring).

While many on the left wanted to diminish the significance of the economic growth during the first four years of this administration, the reality is that any incumbent president would love to have such numbers, and while I was not a Trump fan, I do believe he deserves the credit for the turnaround. The only thing that would stop the momentum of that fast moving economic train was an artificial stoppage of the economy. Covid-19 did it.

I am indeed skeptical of covid-19 being deemed a "pandemic", and anyone who has paid any attention at all would have to concede that it isn't the lethal and uncontainable disease that the "experts" immediately claimed it was, leading to models and US death predictions in the multi-millions, ".....if Trump didnt do the right things". Where is the credit from those same experts now?

Lets not lose sight of the fact that during the early stages of this thing (but at the same time many were already critical of Trump not taking covid-19 seriously) Democrats, including Pelosi, that Bozo mayor of NYC, and many others, were encouraging people to go out and mingle socially at large public functions. The double standard is beyond hypocrisy, it is hilarity. Only those who have given up entirely on free thought, and follow this insanity without the scrutiny of logic, the facts, or historical perspective, cant see what is happening with the manipulation.

The left kept saying "follow the science and the numbers". But now, both the science and the numbers prove covid-19 is far different that what was previously thought. In fact, we now know, without question, that there is a very specific category of people who are vulnerable, and those people are the same exact people who have always been very vulnerable to almost any virus, flu or bug; very old, and people with pulmonary, heart or other like weaknesses. Most others who get covid-19 are not at serious risk; and a large percentage have no symptoms at all.

But you are right, if I had first person experiences of people who have suffered from covid-19 my perspective might be different. But the reality is that most people in America don't have such experience, because suffering from covid-19 is not nearly as rampant as most would have us believe. It is not a hoax, but is is likewise not worthy of shutting down our economy; and it never has been. Facts vs fiction.

Bravo Brovol!!

I can be self aware and personally responsible based on the fact that many won’t... but that’s up to me. I will do all I can do to stop the spread...

Now let’s look at the current spread vs death rates... yep it’s not fitting a narrative so it’s no longer an opportunity...

Any death is awful... but let’s stop being blinded by the direction we are being lead into. Clean your hands. Move on.

Death rates lag behind infection rates by about two weeks.

"Any death is awful" and "move on" in the same sentence is a really bad look. It shows that Americans have become numb to the carnage we're seeing. We're on pace for over 200,000 American deaths. I'm old enough to remember years of congressional hearings and investigations for 4 American deaths in Benghazi. But yeah... let's just move on and play some football!!!!!

.....and when elderly and otherwise very sick and unhealthy people died after getting a cold or flu, which served as the straw that broke the camels back, prior to covid-19, where was the compassion and panic?

My mom is 89, and I get concerned for her whenever she gets a hangnail. My dad was 82 when he died, and had pulmonary and heart issues for about the last 30 years of his life. Dad averaged about 5 trips to the emergency room, followed by about a ten day stay, every year it seems, and it was always some cold or bug which turned into a respiratory infection, leading to him being on his near-death-bed. Guy got the anointing of the sick (what we used to call "last rights") so many times we lost count. Last time he got sick he went to the emergency, was admitted for a week, sent home, and after a couple days couldn't breath again, leading to his last ambulance ride. If it was covid-19 that he caught, and it happened today, it would be a covid-19 death, but in reality my dad died because he was very unhealthy, and had beaten the odds more than his share prior to that day. He didn't die because of the cold he got a couple weeks earlier.

When you see that such a high majority of covid-19 deaths are nursing home patients, elderly, and people with very serious health issues, that is a flag which identifies those folks within a class of "super vulnerable", or in other words, people with a very short lifespan regardless. Does this make it less sad or tragic? Nope. But if we are to shut down the country's economy because we have a virus which is so deadly that it is shortening very sick and very elderly peoples lifespan by weeks or days, then why ever open the economy?

This is so stupid. I'm so tired of reading these dumb comments. COVID-19 is 10x more lethal than the common flu. That's backed up by the facts and not your personal feelings. A WMU student literally died a few months ago. That could easily be a WMU lineman this fall. I'm so glad you aren't running our athletic department because you'd be putting so many people's kids in harms way. GTFO

EDIT: Actually my statement above isn't true. I wish you'd run the athletic department for like 24 hours so we could get out of the NCHC and in to the new CCHA like you have argued for before. But then I wish you would not run it.