As long as we keep getting key marquee matchups on ESPN our brand should be fine regardless if it's conference or out of conference game. I suspect more weekday games with ESPN gobbling up that SEC contract from CBS after 2023. There will be no more primetime games for us after that point unless the Big12 comes calling

The Ack, the Sic, the BigT's, and the Pack all have some good teams. The American has good teams and is as good as, if not better than; some of those conglomerations top to bottom.

(06-20-2020 05:46 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 04:29 PM)T.I.G.E.R.S Wrote:  Idk about all of that, BIG12 has OU, Texas, Iowa St, Okie St and Baylor, all were in the top 25 at some point last year. The ACC argument might be closer (other than the couple teams at the top). Us, Cincinnati, UCF and if SMU can hold it together and possibly Temple are the main teams in the American, just not sure if any could hang with most of the top teams in the BIG12. Maybe just us and Cincinnati honestly

Navy beat Kansas State in the Liberty Bowl this year. I was there. Honestly KSU looked no better than a mid tier AAC team. Parity in college football is closer than we think outside of the top 20 historically good football programs. The AAC is closer to the Big 12 in terms of play style and product on the field.

This. Memphis, UCF, UC would beat the bottom half of the Big Ten, ACC, Pac 12. We've got a shot against a middling Purdue team in three months.

(06-23-2020 11:28 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 11:34 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 09:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'd like to see that schedule upgrade too. That would mean a little revenue boost but not P5 level. And that's the issue, we may be having high level success in a conference that's better top to bottom than the ACC, PAC or B12 but until we see the $$, we are just the biggest midget.

One more P5 wouldn’t make a dent, blemish or smudge towards P5 level of revenue. Maybe a bit more at the gate.

About $1M+ gate revenue increase per game. It's not as simple as looking at the increase in attendance for a good P5 home OOC home game vs an FCS (who we pay to play us). It's that for a UCLA type game (or SEC) we get a full $50/ticket price for each seat vs give aways or Kroger ticket prices for FCS + the payment to come play.

It's not that simple eaither.

First, we aren't selling 20k more single game tickets @ $50 per for a P5. Maybe UTK and SOMETIMES Old Miss will get you that bump. But that's it and they're not all singles @ $50 either.

Secondly, you're comparing to the wrong game. Even if we do get another P5, we're not replacing the FCS buy game. Just like every major FBS program, we are going to play an annual FCS game at home. It helps with the season tix package, it helps with the record, and it helps guarantee a minimum of 6 home games (with 7 homes as the goal). So the extra game isn't replacing UT-Martin. It's replacing Arky State or LA-Monroe. And those games are typically not Kroger games.

Finally, like I always remind the schedule hawks, you have to look at the risk-reward. Last year was the best season in modern history. No disputing that. And it came in a year when so many of you were complaining about the schedule. Our brand is currently as high as it's ever been. Much of this comes from winning our conference and has very little to do with our OOC schedule. You play a couple of P5s every year with at least one on the road, you are going to lose more games. It's why even the mighty P5s don't play road P5 OOC games. And the more you lose, the less shine on the brand.

There's a fine balance. I can agree we usually should not be playing USA and LA-Monroe on the road in the same year. But if we played one more of them at home with 7 home games, I'm all for it.

So you think the GA St, So AL, UTSA & UL-Monroe games will draw well?..... SMH. If you had attended those games played away you would have immediately noticed we had as many fans in the stands as the home team - not much of a prospect for high attendance here. But something no one wants to consider in this "risk/reward" idea..... what do you thing of that risk/reward idea if we lose to one of these weak programs? Much worse than losing to PSU, which we tout as "giving them all they wanted, holding our own, etc.

The more "quality" teams we play, the better chance we have to win some of those games. But, the likelihood of a "magical" season (ie, undefeated or 1 loss) goes down.

A few recent cases:

- 2011 Houston: Win vs. UCLA & undefeated going into CUSA championship game with only 2 wins within 10 pts. Although there was no playoff, there was talk about Houston as a title contender. I recall them being in the top-10 (#6?) before USM beat them in the CUSA championship game.

-2015 Houston: Regular season wins vs. P5's Louisville & Vanderbilt. No major opponents, just mid & lower level P5's. A regular season upset @ UConn killed any playoff "buzz".

-2017-2018 UCF: Undefeated regular seasons 2 straight years. Regular season wins vs. P5's Maryland (2018) and Pittsburgh (2019). No major opponents, just a few mid-level P5's. Lots of "buzz" about UCF deserving a playoff berth both years.

- 2019 Cincinnati: Coming into the Nov 29 game vs the Tigers, they were 10-1, with a wins over UCLA & UCF, and a loss to Ohio State. The problem was that loss to Ohio State was an a$$ whoopin (42-0), so they weren't considered a legitimate playoff team.

All this to say that I don't know what the answer is, only that playing P5's, particularly upper-level P5's, usually results in a loss, and kills any "buzz" that an AAC team would have come bowl season.

(06-20-2020 10:35 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Because they are in a power 5 conference?

And if we were in it would be power 6, right?

Or is it like the big12 where the number doesn't matter?

(06-25-2020 10:26 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 11:28 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 11:34 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 09:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'd like to see that schedule upgrade too. That would mean a little revenue boost but not P5 level. And that's the issue, we may be having high level success in a conference that's better top to bottom than the ACC, PAC or B12 but until we see the $$, we are just the biggest midget.

One more P5 wouldn’t make a dent, blemish or smudge towards P5 level of revenue. Maybe a bit more at the gate.

About $1M+ gate revenue increase per game. It's not as simple as looking at the increase in attendance for a good P5 home OOC home game vs an FCS (who we pay to play us). It's that for a UCLA type game (or SEC) we get a full $50/ticket price for each seat vs give aways or Kroger ticket prices for FCS + the payment to come play.

It's not that simple eaither.

First, we aren't selling 20k more single game tickets @ $50 per for a P5. Maybe UTK and SOMETIMES Old Miss will get you that bump. But that's it and they're not all singles @ $50 either.

Secondly, you're comparing to the wrong game. Even if we do get another P5, we're not replacing the FCS buy game. Just like every major FBS program, we are going to play an annual FCS game at home. It helps with the season tix package, it helps with the record, and it helps guarantee a minimum of 6 home games (with 7 homes as the goal). So the extra game isn't replacing UT-Martin. It's replacing Arky State or LA-Monroe. And those games are typically not Kroger games.

Finally, like I always remind the schedule hawks, you have to look at the risk-reward. Last year was the best season in modern history. No disputing that. And it came in a year when so many of you were complaining about the schedule. Our brand is currently as high as it's ever been. Much of this comes from winning our conference and has very little to do with our OOC schedule. You play a couple of P5s every year with at least one on the road, you are going to lose more games. It's why even the mighty P5s don't play road P5 OOC games. And the more you lose, the less shine on the brand.

There's a fine balance. I can agree we usually should not be playing USA and LA-Monroe on the road in the same year. But if we played one more of them at home with 7 home games, I'm all for it.

So you think the GA St, So AL, UTSA & UL-Monroe games will draw well?..... SMH. If you had attended those games played away you would have immediately noticed we had as many fans in the stands as the home team - not much of a prospect for high attendance here. But something no one wants to consider in this "risk/reward" idea..... what do you thing of that risk/reward idea if we lose to one of these weak programs? Much worse than losing to PSU, which we tout as "giving them all they wanted, holding our own, etc.

You seem to think the key to drawing well is relying on traveling fans. It helps. But look at SMU and even Old Miss last year. Those attendance booms were OUR fans - not theirs.

Trade out one of those Sun home/homes for a 2-for-1 in our favor, and I would be perfectly happy with the schedule we had last year. Give me
1 FCS,
1 P5,
2 other G5 games
with 3 of these at home and it's perfect.

Gives us a shot at the Access Slot, helps with the season tix package. Risk/Reward + Budget winner.

What I think that we really want is the TV money & Bowl access that comes with being in a P5 league. Access to the playoff picture sounds great, but what are the odds that an AAC team could actually win the national championship? Pretty slim...

However, the likelihood of going to a New Year's Day bowl without it having to be a "miracle season", and cashing a bigger TV money check is a lot better if the AAC is added to make it a P6 set-up.

If Memphis, Cincinnati, SMU, Houston, USF, UCF & Temple keep improving their programs, maybe there will be a shake-up with TV contracts after the pandemic is over. Hopefully we all keep selling season tickets, get to that magic 40-45K average attendance, a sellout or two every year, and take a big contingent of fans to bowl games (like we did for the Cotton Bowl).

Rose colored glasses, I know....

(06-25-2020 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 10:26 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 11:28 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 11:34 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  One more P5 wouldn’t make a dent, blemish or smudge towards P5 level of revenue. Maybe a bit more at the gate.

About $1M+ gate revenue increase per game. It's not as simple as looking at the increase in attendance for a good P5 home OOC home game vs an FCS (who we pay to play us). It's that for a UCLA type game (or SEC) we get a full $50/ticket price for each seat vs give aways or Kroger ticket prices for FCS + the payment to come play.

It's not that simple eaither.

First, we aren't selling 20k more single game tickets @ $50 per for a P5. Maybe UTK and SOMETIMES Old Miss will get you that bump. But that's it and they're not all singles @ $50 either.

Secondly, you're comparing to the wrong game. Even if we do get another P5, we're not replacing the FCS buy game. Just like every major FBS program, we are going to play an annual FCS game at home. It helps with the season tix package, it helps with the record, and it helps guarantee a minimum of 6 home games (with 7 homes as the goal). So the extra game isn't replacing UT-Martin. It's replacing Arky State or LA-Monroe. And those games are typically not Kroger games.

Finally, like I always remind the schedule hawks, you have to look at the risk-reward. Last year was the best season in modern history. No disputing that. And it came in a year when so many of you were complaining about the schedule. Our brand is currently as high as it's ever been. Much of this comes from winning our conference and has very little to do with our OOC schedule. You play a couple of P5s every year with at least one on the road, you are going to lose more games. It's why even the mighty P5s don't play road P5 OOC games. And the more you lose, the less shine on the brand.

There's a fine balance. I can agree we usually should not be playing USA and LA-Monroe on the road in the same year. But if we played one more of them at home with 7 home games, I'm all for it.

So you think the GA St, So AL, UTSA & UL-Monroe games will draw well?..... SMH. If you had attended those games played away you would have immediately noticed we had as many fans in the stands as the home team - not much of a prospect for high attendance here. But something no one wants to consider in this "risk/reward" idea..... what do you thing of that risk/reward idea if we lose to one of these weak programs? Much worse than losing to PSU, which we tout as "giving them all they wanted, holding our own, etc.

You seem to think the key to drawing well is relying on traveling fans. It helps. But look at SMU and even Old Miss last year. Those attendance booms were OUR fans - not theirs.

Trade out one of those Sun home/homes for a 2-for-1 in our favor, and I would be perfectly happy with the schedule we had last year. Give me
1 FCS,
1 P5,
2 other G5 games
with 3 of these at home and it's perfect.

Gives us a shot at the Access Slot, helps with the season tix package. Risk/Reward + Budget winner.

Certainly not relying on opponent fans traveling here. That was simply another aspect. Ironic that you are now saying you want a P5 every year but that hasn't been our MO. To have a P5 every year at home you have to schedule 2P5s every season......one home, one away. I see you are ignoring your risk/reward statement, not wanting to address the prospect of losing to So AL, et al. It would be the worst possible senario & can be avoided by scheduling up - and more revenue too.

(06-25-2020 06:53 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 10:26 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 11:28 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  About $1M+ gate revenue increase per game. It's not as simple as looking at the increase in attendance for a good P5 home OOC home game vs an FCS (who we pay to play us). It's that for a UCLA type game (or SEC) we get a full $50/ticket price for each seat vs give aways or Kroger ticket prices for FCS + the payment to come play.

It's not that simple eaither.

First, we aren't selling 20k more single game tickets @ $50 per for a P5. Maybe UTK and SOMETIMES Old Miss will get you that bump. But that's it and they're not all singles @ $50 either.

Secondly, you're comparing to the wrong game. Even if we do get another P5, we're not replacing the FCS buy game. Just like every major FBS program, we are going to play an annual FCS game at home. It helps with the season tix package, it helps with the record, and it helps guarantee a minimum of 6 home games (with 7 homes as the goal). So the extra game isn't replacing UT-Martin. It's replacing Arky State or LA-Monroe. And those games are typically not Kroger games.

Finally, like I always remind the schedule hawks, you have to look at the risk-reward. Last year was the best season in modern history. No disputing that. And it came in a year when so many of you were complaining about the schedule. Our brand is currently as high as it's ever been. Much of this comes from winning our conference and has very little to do with our OOC schedule. You play a couple of P5s every year with at least one on the road, you are going to lose more games. It's why even the mighty P5s don't play road P5 OOC games. And the more you lose, the less shine on the brand.

There's a fine balance. I can agree we usually should not be playing USA and LA-Monroe on the road in the same year. But if we played one more of them at home with 7 home games, I'm all for it.

So you think the GA St, So AL, UTSA & UL-Monroe games will draw well?..... SMH. If you had attended those games played away you would have immediately noticed we had as many fans in the stands as the home team - not much of a prospect for high attendance here. But something no one wants to consider in this "risk/reward" idea..... what do you thing of that risk/reward idea if we lose to one of these weak programs? Much worse than losing to PSU, which we tout as "giving them all they wanted, holding our own, etc.

You seem to think the key to drawing well is relying on traveling fans. It helps. But look at SMU and even Old Miss last year. Those attendance booms were OUR fans - not theirs.

Trade out one of those Sun home/homes for a 2-for-1 in our favor, and I would be perfectly happy with the schedule we had last year. Give me
1 FCS,
1 P5,
2 other G5 games
with 3 of these at home and it's perfect.

Gives us a shot at the Access Slot, helps with the season tix package. Risk/Reward + Budget winner.

Certainly not relying on opponent fans traveling here. That was simply another aspect. Ironic that you are now saying you want a P5 every year but that hasn't been our MO. To have a P5 every year at home you have to schedule 2P5s every season......one home, one away. I see you are ignoring your risk/reward statement, not wanting to address the prospect of losing to So AL, et al. It would be the worst possible senario & can be avoided by scheduling up - and more revenue too.

I didn't say a P5 home every year. I very clearly said 3 of 4 OOC home is optimum.

Risk/reward...Risk of losing to So Al is not very high, when we have the team to challenge for the AAC champ. And that is the team that can achieve the ultimate reward - the Access slot. Losing that game really does little, because we weren't going to win the AAC anyway if we cant beat USA.

OTOH, even if we have the team to challenge for the AAC, the risk of losing to a Mizzou on the road is much higher and wrecks it all.

(06-25-2020 07:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 06:53 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 10:26 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 11:28 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  It's not that simple eaither.

First, we aren't selling 20k more single game tickets @ $50 per for a P5. Maybe UTK and SOMETIMES Old Miss will get you that bump. But that's it and they're not all singles @ $50 either.

Secondly, you're comparing to the wrong game. Even if we do get another P5, we're not replacing the FCS buy game. Just like every major FBS program, we are going to play an annual FCS game at home. It helps with the season tix package, it helps with the record, and it helps guarantee a minimum of 6 home games (with 7 homes as the goal). So the extra game isn't replacing UT-Martin. It's replacing Arky State or LA-Monroe. And those games are typically not Kroger games.

Finally, like I always remind the schedule hawks, you have to look at the risk-reward. Last year was the best season in modern history. No disputing that. And it came in a year when so many of you were complaining about the schedule. Our brand is currently as high as it's ever been. Much of this comes from winning our conference and has very little to do with our OOC schedule. You play a couple of P5s every year with at least one on the road, you are going to lose more games. It's why even the mighty P5s don't play road P5 OOC games. And the more you lose, the less shine on the brand.

There's a fine balance. I can agree we usually should not be playing USA and LA-Monroe on the road in the same year. But if we played one more of them at home with 7 home games, I'm all for it.

So you think the GA St, So AL, UTSA & UL-Monroe games will draw well?..... SMH. If you had attended those games played away you would have immediately noticed we had as many fans in the stands as the home team - not much of a prospect for high attendance here. But something no one wants to consider in this "risk/reward" idea..... what do you thing of that risk/reward idea if we lose to one of these weak programs? Much worse than losing to PSU, which we tout as "giving them all they wanted, holding our own, etc.

You seem to think the key to drawing well is relying on traveling fans. It helps. But look at SMU and even Old Miss last year. Those attendance booms were OUR fans - not theirs.

Trade out one of those Sun home/homes for a 2-for-1 in our favor, and I would be perfectly happy with the schedule we had last year. Give me
1 FCS,
1 P5,
2 other G5 games
with 3 of these at home and it's perfect.

Gives us a shot at the Access Slot, helps with the season tix package. Risk/Reward + Budget winner.

Certainly not relying on opponent fans traveling here. That was simply another aspect. Ironic that you are now saying you want a P5 every year but that hasn't been our MO. To have a P5 every year at home you have to schedule 2P5s every season......one home, one away. I see you are ignoring your risk/reward statement, not wanting to address the prospect of losing to So AL, et al. It would be the worst possible senario & can be avoided by scheduling up - and more revenue too.

I didn't say a P5 home every year. I very clearly said 3 of 4 OOC home is optimum.

Risk/reward...Risk of losing to So Al is not very high, when we have the team to challenge for the AAC champ. And that is the team that can achieve the ultimate reward - the Access slot. Losing that game really does little, because we weren't going to win the AAC anyway if we cant beat USA.

OTOH, even if we have the team to challenge for the AAC, the risk of losing to a Mizzou on the road is much higher and wrecks it all.

UTK lost to GA St, Michigan lost to App St, & with that in mind we can lose to most anyone on our schedule. The odds may be low but it happens & a loss to one of the low level G-5s would be much worse to our program than a P5 loss. And clearly you are wrong on your Mizzou example. We lost to Temple last season, we still won the AAC & played in a NY6 bowl. And this goes for the AAC champ in most years - win the conference with 2 or less losses & you get the NY6 bowl. And don't forget, the P5 will bring us more revenue than a low level G5 - revenue that is sorely needed. Yes, we do sell 20K additional tickets for P5s other than OM & UTK - example UCLA, somewhere between 45,000 - 50K, and we avg about 25K for low level G5s wuth Kroger tickets. Your argument has nothing to offer but a weak defense of a weak OOC schedule - and this season, other than UCF & maybe UH, a relatively weak home conference schedule.

We don't use Kroger tickets for those games, doofus.

(06-25-2020 09:54 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 07:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 06:53 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 03:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 10:26 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  So you think the GA St, So AL, UTSA & UL-Monroe games will draw well?..... SMH. If you had attended those games played away you would have immediately noticed we had as many fans in the stands as the home team - not much of a prospect for high attendance here. But something no one wants to consider in this "risk/reward" idea..... what do you thing of that risk/reward idea if we lose to one of these weak programs? Much worse than losing to PSU, which we tout as "giving them all they wanted, holding our own, etc.

You seem to think the key to drawing well is relying on traveling fans. It helps. But look at SMU and even Old Miss last year. Those attendance booms were OUR fans - not theirs.

Trade out one of those Sun home/homes for a 2-for-1 in our favor, and I would be perfectly happy with the schedule we had last year. Give me
1 FCS,
1 P5,
2 other G5 games
with 3 of these at home and it's perfect.

Gives us a shot at the Access Slot, helps with the season tix package. Risk/Reward + Budget winner.

Certainly not relying on opponent fans traveling here. That was simply another aspect. Ironic that you are now saying you want a P5 every year but that hasn't been our MO. To have a P5 every year at home you have to schedule 2P5s every season......one home, one away. I see you are ignoring your risk/reward statement, not wanting to address the prospect of losing to So AL, et al. It would be the worst possible senario & can be avoided by scheduling up - and more revenue too.

I didn't say a P5 home every year. I very clearly said 3 of 4 OOC home is optimum.

Risk/reward...Risk of losing to So Al is not very high, when we have the team to challenge for the AAC champ. And that is the team that can achieve the ultimate reward - the Access slot. Losing that game really does little, because we weren't going to win the AAC anyway if we cant beat USA.

OTOH, even if we have the team to challenge for the AAC, the risk of losing to a Mizzou on the road is much higher and wrecks it all.

UTK lost to GA St, Michigan lost to App St, & with that in mind we can lose to most anyone on our schedule. The odds may be low but it happens & a loss to one of the low level G-5s would be much worse to our program than a P5 loss. And clearly you are wrong on your Mizzou example. We lost to Temple last season, we still won the AAC & played in a NY6 bowl. And this goes for the AAC champ in most years - win the conference with 2 or less losses & you get the NY6 bowl. And don't forget, the P5 will bring us more revenue than a low level G5 - revenue that is sorely needed. Yes, we do sell 20K additional tickets for P5s other than OM & UTK - example UCLA, somewhere between 45,000 - 50K, and we avg about 25K for low level G5s wuth Kroger tickets. Your argument has nothing to offer but a weak defense of a weak OOC schedule - and this season, other than UCF & maybe UH, a relatively weak home conference schedule.

We don't get in with 2 losses and even though you make it sound like we have 5 Kroger games a year, we have very few. Also, your analogy of an extra 20k is dumb. Because the conference is so strong, we have strong draws like Navy replacing lesser opponents are drawing great crowds. We have a finale against Cincinnati for the division instead of a meaningless season ender.

You keep repeating nonsense.

(06-26-2020 12:27 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  We don't use Kroger tickets for those games, doofus.

Kroger's has sold tickets to other than our one FCS game. I & lots of others purchased Kroger tickets for a G5 game against UL-Monroe. I got mine when I realized that I left my season tickets at home, $5 ea. And I can assure you if no one is buying tickets from the ticket office they'll do it again. Check out the Tiger website on FB, it provides the details of that UL-Monroe game too...... whose the doofus?

(06-26-2020 07:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 12:27 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  We don't use Kroger tickets for those games, doofus.

Kroger's has sold tickets to other than our one FCS game. I & lots of others purchased Kroger tickets for a G5 game against UL-Monroe. I got mine when I realized that I left my season tickets at home, $5 ea. And I can assure you if no one is buying tickets from the ticket office they'll do it again. Check out the Tiger website on FB, it provides the details of that UL-Monroe game too...... whose the doofus?

If they're not going to be selling single tickets this year, how are they going to do Kroger tickets? $5/game season tickets? I don't think so.

Someone mentioned schedule upgrade, is that a nice way of saying drop some CUPCAKES, if so
Ike has been calling for this since Tommy West took over.
Ripp, Ground Chuck and Chuck Bailey were doing a wonderful job adding quality opponents.
DITCH THE CUPCAKES

(06-26-2020 07:27 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 12:27 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  We don't use Kroger tickets for those games, doofus.

Kroger's has sold tickets to other than our one FCS game. I & lots of others purchased Kroger tickets for a G5 game against UL-Monroe. I got mine when I realized that I left my season tickets at home, $5 ea. And I can assure you if no one is buying tickets from the ticket office they'll do it again. Check out the Tiger website on FB, it provides the details of that UL-Monroe game too...... whose the doofus?

Kroger does 1 game a year. Period. Usually, that's the FCS game. But occasionally due to scheduling quirks, they pick a different game. But it's ONE game - and hopefully they continue to do that for many years.

THE FCS GAME WILL NOT CHANGE regardless of the number of P5 games. We will continue to play an FCS game each year, unless the budget gets so tight that we can no longer afford a buy game. Nothing, zero, nada, zilch to do with attendance.

(06-25-2020 09:54 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
UTK lost to GA St, Michigan lost to App St, & with that in mind we can lose to most anyone on our schedule. The odds may be low but it happens & a loss to one of the low level G-5s would be much worse to our program than a P5 loss. And clearly you are wrong on your Mizzou example. We lost to Temple last season, we still won the AAC & played in a NY6 bowl. And this goes for the AAC champ in most years - win the conference with 2 or less losses & you get the NY6 bowl. And don't forget, the P5 will bring us more revenue than a low level G5 - revenue that is sorely needed. Yes, we do sell 20K additional tickets for P5s other than OM & UTK - example UCLA, somewhere between 45,000 - 50K, and we avg about 25K for low level G5s wuth Kroger tickets. Your argument has nothing to offer but a weak defense of a weak OOC schedule - and this season, other than UCF & maybe UH, a relatively weak home conference schedule.

Geez, guy. You just have so much wrong with your argument, and you don't get it. So this is probably my last attempt at correcting some of your wrongness.

Yes, we can lose to anyone. If we lose to a So Alabama, we weren't going to run the AAC gauntlet anyway. We obviously wouldn't have the team for it. So we weren't going to achieve the goal anyway. It will end up being a bad season and we move on. Your example of UTK is nonsensical because they weren't going to be contending for their ultimate goal (playoffs) either. (However it does show you can lose a terrible game and still halfway recover the season, so that goes against your logic of how devastating that would be.)

Playing most P5s on the road, we would be the underdog - even if we have the team to challenge for the AAC. So we very well could lose the game and lose the shot for the ultimate goal. The risk is so much higher. And what is the reward for that risk? One future home game that MIGHT get you a bump of 5,000 tickets? The team and athletic dept don't want to trade a Cotton Bowl appearance for an extra 5,000 seats for 1 game in the future. And remember, you're talking about getting 1 extra P5 every 3 years or so - it's not like you're adding this +5k tickets every single year. It doesn't work that way.

The Temple loss is an example of what is likely to happen every year, even when we have really good teams - losing a road AAC game. It's why we can't afford to load up on road P5 games. Multiple losses will hurt our chances at the goal.

We've already corrected you on the Kroger tickets.

And there have been multiple threads that dissect attendance. I've shared the analysis. The #1 correlating factor for attendance is whether the Tigers are winning or not. There is a 63% correlation to win/loss record, and a 40% correlation to conference affiliation. In Sept 2017 we only had 4,700 more people for UCLA than we did for So Illinois the very next week. In 2016, Kansas was our lowest attended home game all year. Last year, mighty Old Miss with all of their local fans drew only 9k more than Southern the next week, and 15k fewer than SMU.

Our FCS games have averaged 36k over the past 5 years, not the 25k you claim. You're not getting a 20k bump in attendance for a P5.

Finally, this year's conference schedule is as strong as you're ever going to get. I enjoy many of your posts, you're just so very, very wrong on this issue.

(06-26-2020 09:15 AM)memphisike Wrote:  Someone mentioned schedule upgrade, is that a nice way of saying drop some CUPCAKES, if so
Ike has been calling for this since Tommy West took over.
Ripp, Ground Chuck and Chuck Bailey were doing a wonderful job adding quality opponents.
DITCH THE CUPCAKES

That's when we were bad. It's gonna be hard because we are a risk to all P5 teams playoff chances now. They gain nothing from playing us because we are not a guarantee win. UCLA probably will never do a home and home with AAC teams.

(06-25-2020 08:48 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 05:46 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 04:29 PM)T.I.G.E.R.S Wrote:  Idk about all of that, BIG12 has OU, Texas, Iowa St, Okie St and Baylor, all were in the top 25 at some point last year. The ACC argument might be closer (other than the couple teams at the top). Us, Cincinnati, UCF and if SMU can hold it together and possibly Temple are the main teams in the American, just not sure if any could hang with most of the top teams in the BIG12. Maybe just us and Cincinnati honestly

Navy beat Kansas State in the Liberty Bowl this year. I was there. Honestly KSU looked no better than a mid tier AAC team. Parity in college football is closer than we think outside of the top 20 historically good football programs. The AAC is closer to the Big 12 in terms of play style and product on the field.

This. Memphis, UCF, UC would beat the bottom half of the Big Ten, ACC, Pac 12. We've got a shot against a middling Purdue team in three months.

College football is all politics unfortunately. We're gonna beat Purdue like a drum.