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(06-24-2020 10:02 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
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(06-24-2020 12:58 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  If the citizens of Mississippi did not want the stars & bars on the flag, then why is it there? Obviously, the majority of people feel like it represents them, even if it symbolizes hate to the black citizens of the state.

And there you go. That's not the stars and bars Marc.

"Tis better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

I'll ask again Marc, do you live in Mississippi?

I fail to see what it matters. I’ve consistently said the flag which garnered 60% of the referendum vote accurately represents the state. Why is that a problem?

Cause Marc you keep making snide ass comments about the people there and the flag. If you don’t live there don’t worry about it. So have you figured out what’s the stars and bars yet? I’m gonna learn you something.

I was obviously wrong in referring to the confederate battle flag as the stars and bars... that being said, I was not wrong in claiming the majority of the people in the state want this racist symbol to represent the state.

And so frequently I hear modern day republicans claim to be the party of Lincoln... the party that freed the slaves, yet it’s modern day republicans who cling to these symbols of hate and intolerance. It’s modern day Republicans who speak of the romance of the “Lost Cause”. There is no reason to hang onto to this icon of hate, other to flip the bird the 40% of the population it is meant to offend.
So a battle flag from the Civil War is racist why? What made it racist? Was it because a nefarious group made it a symbol of their hatred or did Mississippi incorporate several Confederate battle flags into their state flag? Come on Mensa, your name signifies you're smarter than me, I shouldn't be having to educate you.

Here's a piece of history for you Mensa, not every man that fought for the South owned slaves or hated blacks. Not every person from Mississippi is a racist.
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(06-24-2020 10:21 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
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(06-24-2020 10:02 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 05:09 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 03:31 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I fail to see what it matters. I’ve consistently said the flag which garnered 60% of the referendum vote accurately represents the state. Why is that a problem?

Cause Marc you keep making snide ass comments about the people there and the flag. If you don’t live there don’t worry about it. So have you figured out what’s the stars and bars yet? I’m gonna learn you something.

I was obviously wrong in referring to the confederate battle flag as the stars and bars... that being said, I was not wrong in claiming the majority of the people in the state want this racist symbol to represent the state.

And so frequently I hear modern day republicans claim to be the party of Lincoln... the party that freed the slaves, yet it’s modern day republicans who cling to these symbols of hate and intolerance. It’s modern day Republicans who speak of the romance of the “Lost Cause”. There is no reason to hang onto to this icon of hate, other to flip the bird the 40% of the population it is meant to offend.

Still waiting for your thoughts on Georgia's state flag.

Looks like a brokered short term compromise to me.

WRONG.

Because like you, everyone sees the Naval Jack and automatically makes a connection, and don't realize there's other battle flags. Just like your ignorance in calling the Naval Jack the Stars and Bars. Georgia's flag is closer to the Stars and Bars than Mississippi's.
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I'll admit I don't know the full history, but I'd be okay w/ Mississippi changing their flag.

Changing some of the other current southern state's flags is crossing a line, and I'm ok w/ people flying Confederate flags on an individually on a Southern pride basis. I also get there's the fear it won't stop at Confederate relics - and we're already seeing it. But it's time to move on from that part of history & say they were wrong
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(06-25-2020 07:10 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I'll admit I don't know the full history, but I'd be okay w/ Mississippi changing their flag.

Changing some of the other current southern state's flags is crossing a line, and I'm ok w/ people flying Confederate flags on an individually on a Southern pride basis. I also get there's the fear it won't stop at Confederate relics - and we're already seeing it. But it's time to move on from that part of history & say they were wrong

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Try to change Alabama's

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(06-25-2020 07:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 07:10 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I'll admit I don't know the full history, but I'd be okay w/ Mississippi changing their flag.

Changing some of the other current southern state's flags is crossing a line, and I'm ok w/ people flying Confederate flags on an individually on a Southern pride basis. I also get there's the fear it won't stop at Confederate relics - and we're already seeing it. But it's time to move on from that part of history & say they were wrong

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Try to change Alabama's

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I was just looking up some of the other current state's flags & am shocked people are upset about Alabama's & Florida's.
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(06-25-2020 06:28 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 10:02 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 05:09 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 03:31 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 01:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  And there you go. That's not the stars and bars Marc.

"Tis better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

I'll ask again Marc, do you live in Mississippi?

I fail to see what it matters. I’ve consistently said the flag which garnered 60% of the referendum vote accurately represents the state. Why is that a problem?

Cause Marc you keep making snide ass comments about the people there and the flag. If you don’t live there don’t worry about it. So have you figured out what’s the stars and bars yet? I’m gonna learn you something.

I was obviously wrong in referring to the confederate battle flag as the stars and bars... that being said, I was not wrong in claiming the majority of the people in the state want this racist symbol to represent the state.

And so frequently I hear modern day republicans claim to be the party of Lincoln... the party that freed the slaves, yet it’s modern day republicans who cling to these symbols of hate and intolerance. It’s modern day Republicans who speak of the romance of the “Lost Cause”. There is no reason to hang onto to this icon of hate, other to flip the bird the 40% of the population it is meant to offend.
So a battle flag from the Civil War is racist why? What made it racist? Was it because a nefarious group made it a symbol of their hatred or did Mississippi incorporate several Confederate battle flags into their state flag? Come on Mensa, your name signifies you're smarter than me, I shouldn't be having to educate you.

Here's a piece of history for you Mensa, not every man that fought for the South owned slaves or hated blacks. Not every person from Mississippi is a racist.

In 2020, it’s a racist symbol and it’s been so for the better part of the past 100 years. Why? Likely because it was adopted post Civil War as a glorified symbol of the confederate soldier... a flag of southern defiance; and it was not adopted by Mississippi as part of its state flag until 1894... long after it came to glorify Lee’s Northern Army/ Lost Cause and not the Confederate Navy. If Mississippi wants to glorify its past, then adopt its 1st flag, and not the one that glorifies its confederate past.
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(06-25-2020 08:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 06:28 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 10:02 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 05:09 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 03:31 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I fail to see what it matters. I’ve consistently said the flag which garnered 60% of the referendum vote accurately represents the state. Why is that a problem?

Cause Marc you keep making snide ass comments about the people there and the flag. If you don’t live there don’t worry about it. So have you figured out what’s the stars and bars yet? I’m gonna learn you something.

I was obviously wrong in referring to the confederate battle flag as the stars and bars... that being said, I was not wrong in claiming the majority of the people in the state want this racist symbol to represent the state.

And so frequently I hear modern day republicans claim to be the party of Lincoln... the party that freed the slaves, yet it’s modern day republicans who cling to these symbols of hate and intolerance. It’s modern day Republicans who speak of the romance of the “Lost Cause”. There is no reason to hang onto to this icon of hate, other to flip the bird the 40% of the population it is meant to offend.
So a battle flag from the Civil War is racist why? What made it racist? Was it because a nefarious group made it a symbol of their hatred or did Mississippi incorporate several Confederate battle flags into their state flag? Come on Mensa, your name signifies you're smarter than me, I shouldn't be having to educate you.

Here's a piece of history for you Mensa, not every man that fought for the South owned slaves or hated blacks. Not every person from Mississippi is a racist.

In 2020, it’s a racist symbol and it’s been so for the better part of the past 100 years. Why? Likely because it was adopted post Civil War as a glorified symbol of the confederate soldier... a flag of southern defiance; and it was not adopted by Mississippi as part of its state flag until 1894... long after it came to glorify Lee’s Northern Army/ Lost Cause and not the Confederate Navy. If Mississippi wants to glorify its past, then adopt its 1st flag, and not the one that glorifies its confederate past.

ewe dipshites would biatch about that, too...therefore, fk EWE!!!
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(06-25-2020 08:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 06:28 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 10:02 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 05:09 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-24-2020 03:31 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I fail to see what it matters. I’ve consistently said the flag which garnered 60% of the referendum vote accurately represents the state. Why is that a problem?

Cause Marc you keep making snide ass comments about the people there and the flag. If you don’t live there don’t worry about it. So have you figured out what’s the stars and bars yet? I’m gonna learn you something.

I was obviously wrong in referring to the confederate battle flag as the stars and bars... that being said, I was not wrong in claiming the majority of the people in the state want this racist symbol to represent the state.

And so frequently I hear modern day republicans claim to be the party of Lincoln... the party that freed the slaves, yet it’s modern day republicans who cling to these symbols of hate and intolerance. It’s modern day Republicans who speak of the romance of the “Lost Cause”. There is no reason to hang onto to this icon of hate, other to flip the bird the 40% of the population it is meant to offend.
So a battle flag from the Civil War is racist why? What made it racist? Was it because a nefarious group made it a symbol of their hatred or did Mississippi incorporate several Confederate battle flags into their state flag? Come on Mensa, your name signifies you're smarter than me, I shouldn't be having to educate you.

Here's a piece of history for you Mensa, not every man that fought for the South owned slaves or hated blacks. Not every person from Mississippi is a racist.

In 2020, it’s a racist symbol and it’s been so for the better part of the past 100 years. Why? Likely because it was adopted post Civil War as a glorified symbol of the confederate soldier... a flag of southern defiance; and it was not adopted by Mississippi as part of its state flag until 1894... long after it came to glorify Lee’s Northern Army/ Lost Cause and not the Confederate Navy. If Mississippi wants to glorify its past, then adopt its 1st flag, and not the one that glorifies its confederate past.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it Marc. I've asked this question before and nobody wants to answer it, in every conflict the US has been in they have rebuilt the countries that were destroyed but one. Care to guess what wasn't rebuilt? It pisses me off to no end that people out of state want to dictate what other states do, but will not spend a penny there even if the changes are made. If the NCAA wants to stop letting tournaments be held in Mississippi, I don't think it's a big deal. It's not revenue the state counts on every year, it's nice, but the regular season is what makes the money for most of the schools.

But I noticed that you didn't want to talk about Mississippians being racist, I mean that is what you inferred in your initial post. So I'll ask again, why do you think people in Mississippi are racist? People in South Jackson will cut you no matter your pigment. But you travel down to where I was born and raised, you'd find people that would help you out of a bind and might even invite you in for dinner.

You can talk about me, my hair cut, even my clothes.. You mess with God, my family, or my home state, be ready to scrap.
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If Mississippians care more about preserving a symbol of hate than acknowledging it is terribly offensive to its 40% minority population, then it is what it is.
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(06-25-2020 11:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  If Mississippians care more about preserving a symbol of hate than acknowledging it is terribly offensive to its 40% minority population, then it is what it is.

So you don't want to debate just spew talking points.

I see.

Please kindly remove Mensa from your handle, you don't deserve it because you'd much rather be a troll than have a meaningful debate because you know you have nothing to add to the conversation due to your ignorance.

GOOD DAY SIR.
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(06-25-2020 11:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  If Mississippians care more about preserving a symbol of hate than acknowledging it is terribly offensive to its 40% minority population, then it is what it is.

So you don't want to debate just spew talking points.

I see.

Please kindly remove Mensa from your handle, you don't deserve it because you'd much rather be a troll than have a meaningful debate because you know you have nothing to add to the conversation due to your ignorance.

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Please explain why having this symbol as part of the flag is more important than being concerned about how it’s seen by the 40% of the citizens in the state it obviously is not intended to represent.
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(06-25-2020 11:49 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  If Mississippians care more about preserving a symbol of hate than acknowledging it is terribly offensive to its 40% minority population, then it is what it is.

So you don't want to debate just spew talking points.

I see.

Please kindly remove Mensa from your handle, you don't deserve it because you'd much rather be a troll than have a meaningful debate because you know you have nothing to add to the conversation due to your ignorance.

GOOD DAY SIR.


Please explain why having this symbol as part of the flag is more important than being concerned about how it’s seen by the 40% of the citizens in the state it obviously is not intended to represent.
Marc, you have a job right? Of course you do, you've posted about it. Hell I've made fun of a few things you said about it.

That being said, if you boss came out and said, we wanted to give raises because 60% of the company wanted it but 40% said nah we're good, so we're not going to do it, would you be upset?

The way it works is if it's put to a vote, yet again, and again it's defeated because 60% of the people want it there, it stays. I thought the will of the people was what was important?

I no longer live there, but it is my home state. If it's put to a vote and the majority want it to stay, it's going to stay. Nothing the Hollywood elite or outsiders from the state that have no say in the voting will change that.

Again you keep focusing on the negative side of it. You're proud of your heritage I assume. I haven't seen you denounce anything your ancestors have done. This is part of many of the people there. Some have direct descendants who fought in the Civil War, myself included. I'm about 4 generations removed from someone who fought in the war and fought for the Confederacy. Didn't own a plantation. Didn't own a slave. He fought because an outside force from another part of the country was invading him home and destroying it. That part of history is what is always forgotten. You do not see people from Mississippi screaming that the US Flag needs to be removed due to the carnage the Union did to the state and never paid a dime to rebuild. No what happened was carpetbaggers showed up and tried to tell my ancestors why they were wrong and how to fix it. Kinda like now.

If it doesn't affect you, don't worry about it. If the majority wants it to stay, it'll stay. But that doesn't mean that 60% of the state is racist as you eluded to. If that's the way you think, you're a sad little man.

I remember the vote in 2001. I also remember there were a lot of black people who supported the flag remaining. Guess they're racists too huh?

You want to keep using generalized statements, I can play that as well.

Here's another nugget for you. The reason why the Confederacy moved from the Stars and Bars was because it was confused with the Union flag on several battlefields and friendly fire was rampant, hence the adaptation of the Naval Jack or the Bonnie Blue.

Fortunately for you and myself, we don't have to vote on the flag, because neither of us live there and it doesn't affect our well being or affects either of us financially.. Well it might me eventually due to property I own there, but that's family land and it's in what you call fly over country.

Does the Tennessee flag represent everyone in Tennessee? How about the Alabama flag? How about the Pennsylvania flag? None of them represent the entire populace as a whole. This could be a slippery slope. Hell does the US flag represent everyone? Doubt it because of all the immigrants in this country.

If the state of Mississippi votes to keep it, it'll stay. But it's already been voted on once. I'm not sure if it'll be voted on again.

"I salute the flag of Mississippi and the sovereign state for which it stands with pride in her history and achievements and with confidence in her future under the guidance of Almighty God."- Pledge of Allegiance to the Mississippi Flag.
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(06-25-2020 11:49 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  If Mississippians care more about preserving a symbol of hate than acknowledging it is terribly offensive to its 40% minority population, then it is what it is.

So you don't want to debate just spew talking points.

I see.

Please kindly remove Mensa from your handle, you don't deserve it because you'd much rather be a troll than have a meaningful debate because you know you have nothing to add to the conversation due to your ignorance.

GOOD DAY SIR.


Please explain why having this symbol as part of the flag is more important than being concerned about how it’s seen by the 40% of the citizens in the state it obviously is not intended to represent.

There are people who have a similar objection about the stars and stripes. You advocate changing Old Glory based upon perceived hurt feelings as well?
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(06-25-2020 03:53 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:49 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  If Mississippians care more about preserving a symbol of hate than acknowledging it is terribly offensive to its 40% minority population, then it is what it is.

So you don't want to debate just spew talking points.

I see.

Please kindly remove Mensa from your handle, you don't deserve it because you'd much rather be a troll than have a meaningful debate because you know you have nothing to add to the conversation due to your ignorance.

GOOD DAY SIR.


Please explain why having this symbol as part of the flag is more important than being concerned about how it’s seen by the 40% of the citizens in the state it obviously is not intended to represent.

There are people who have a similar objection about the stars and stripes. You advocate changing Old Glory based upon perceived hurt feelings as well?

I'm giving him time to answer that, I put it in my long post above.
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You guys are just letting him bait you.
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(06-25-2020 03:53 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:49 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  If Mississippians care more about preserving a symbol of hate than acknowledging it is terribly offensive to its 40% minority population, then it is what it is.

So you don't want to debate just spew talking points.

I see.

Please kindly remove Mensa from your handle, you don't deserve it because you'd much rather be a troll than have a meaningful debate because you know you have nothing to add to the conversation due to your ignorance.

GOOD DAY SIR.


Please explain why having this symbol as part of the flag is more important than being concerned about how it’s seen by the 40% of the citizens in the state it obviously is not intended to represent.

There are people who have a similar objection about the stars and stripes. You advocate changing Old Glory based upon perceived hurt feelings as well?

Deflection
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(06-25-2020 03:57 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You guys are just letting him bait you.

Do you believe the confederate battle flag is viewed as a symbol of racism?
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(06-25-2020 04:03 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 03:53 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:49 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:03 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 11:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  If Mississippians care more about preserving a symbol of hate than acknowledging it is terribly offensive to its 40% minority population, then it is what it is.

So you don't want to debate just spew talking points.

I see.

Please kindly remove Mensa from your handle, you don't deserve it because you'd much rather be a troll than have a meaningful debate because you know you have nothing to add to the conversation due to your ignorance.

GOOD DAY SIR.


Please explain why having this symbol as part of the flag is more important than being concerned about how it’s seen by the 40% of the citizens in the state it obviously is not intended to represent.

There are people who have a similar objection about the stars and stripes. You advocate changing Old Glory based upon perceived hurt feelings as well?

Deflection

A deflection of what? Your justification for removal is based the idea that some find it offensive. That threadbare metric is why the words Dixie, plantation, Ole Miss and Master have also come under fire.
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(06-25-2020 04:04 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-25-2020 03:57 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You guys are just letting him bait you.

Do you believe the confederate battle flag is viewed as a symbol of racism?

I believe I don't care about the confederate flag one way or the other, and I don't understand why anyone would. I've never owned nor flown one (and yes I grew up in Mississippi), but I honesty wouldn't care if you did. It's a piece of cloth. Everyone spends all their time anymore finding things to be offended about. Good gosh, go do something productive. You know, do something about all the poor kids with no fathers that aren't getting educated and have little hope for a decent future. How come that doesn't offend you? How does changing the Mississippi Flag help any of that?

I'll hang up and listen Marc.
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