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(06-29-2020 04:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 03:02 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  To my eye, the reason for the ineffective WR screen or whatever name you want to give it was a combination of bad execution (blocking) and predictability. To me, it seems like a vast majority of pass plays we run are designed to be caught outside the hash marks....rarely does it ever seem we throw it over the middle via the tight end or quick slants to a slot receiver. The defense can shade to the sidelines and not worry about getting burnt down the middle.

The WR screens were generally RPOs where the read told them throw out to the WRs.

I seriously doubt that to be the case. I think the coaches called a lot of WR screens in from the sidelines as the play to be run. Most of them happened way too quick to be a run/pass option.

(06-29-2020 07:00 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 04:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 03:02 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  To my eye, the reason for the ineffective WR screen or whatever name you want to give it was a combination of bad execution (blocking) and predictability. To me, it seems like a vast majority of pass plays we run are designed to be caught outside the hash marks....rarely does it ever seem we throw it over the middle via the tight end or quick slants to a slot receiver. The defense can shade to the sidelines and not worry about getting burnt down the middle.

The WR screens were generally RPOs where the read told them throw out to the WRs.

I seriously doubt that to be the case. I think the coaches called a lot of WR screens in from the sidelines as the play to be run. Most of them happened way too quick to be a run/pass option.

There are options both pre and post snap for RPOs

(06-29-2020 07:31 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 07:00 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 04:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 03:02 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  To my eye, the reason for the ineffective WR screen or whatever name you want to give it was a combination of bad execution (blocking) and predictability. To me, it seems like a vast majority of pass plays we run are designed to be caught outside the hash marks....rarely does it ever seem we throw it over the middle via the tight end or quick slants to a slot receiver. The defense can shade to the sidelines and not worry about getting burnt down the middle.

The WR screens were generally RPOs where the read told them throw out to the WRs.

I seriously doubt that to be the case. I think the coaches called a lot of WR screens in from the sidelines as the play to be run. Most of them happened way too quick to be a run/pass option.

There are options both pre and post snap for RPOs

Of course there are options on certain plays Giles. That's why the style is called Run-Pass-OPTION. Everybody including you knows that. Doesn't mean every play call is a run-pass-option play. Sometimes they call a screen pass or a pass down field and unless an audible is called at the line to change the play, or the play breaks down after the ball is snapped, that play is the one that is run.

(06-29-2020 12:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 12:20 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:44 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  People do not understand the nuicances of calling 85 plays over the course of a football game. Not every play is designed to score a touchdown and some plays can be called to either set up other plays or keep defenses honest. I doubt there is a team in college football that does not call WR screens....and there is a reason for that.

So you are saying we have been running a play that 2/3 of the time resulted in a loss of yardage or little to no gain on purpose to put ourselves in a 2nd or 3rd and long situation that we were unlikely to get out of? Seem like a nuance I could live without.

Its kind of like the Redskins throwing the corner fade to the back corner of the end zone all the GD time. They didn't have the QB for that throw and could not execute it but they kept running it over and over and over/ I bet they left a hundred or more points on the field over asinine play calling.

The step back WR screen we have been running has been a miserable failure, but we kept running it over and over with the same result. I PRAY WE NEVER REGULARLY RUN THAT PLAY AGAIN.

If you can provide proof on how many times we have ran it and for what yardage (and what down situation), I will gladly respond.

Your post is full of hyperbole

Pot meet kettle.

(06-29-2020 10:27 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 10:01 AM)FTW ODU Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:44 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  People do not understand the nuicances of calling 85 plays over the course of a football game. Not every play is designed to score a touchdown and some plays can be called to either set up other plays or keep defenses honest. I doubt there is a team in college football that does not call WR screens....and there is a reason for that.

While i've never called a play before, I'm very sure it is bad football to purposely call an offensive play that nearly always results in negative yardage. That is dumb play calling if you do that and Wilder did that consistently. At least get a nuanced play that goes forward not backwards.

The BW and Brian Scott offense was predictable, simple and unimaginative. Defenses knew exactly what was coming. They were completely out-coached by the Lane Kiffin's of C-USA. Giles seems to have a blind spot as an apologist for the old offensive scheme and coaches.

Incredibly accurate.

(06-30-2020 05:47 AM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 10:27 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 10:01 AM)FTW ODU Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:44 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  People do not understand the nuicances of calling 85 plays over the course of a football game. Not every play is designed to score a touchdown and some plays can be called to either set up other plays or keep defenses honest. I doubt there is a team in college football that does not call WR screens....and there is a reason for that.

While i've never called a play before, I'm very sure it is bad football to purposely call an offensive play that nearly always results in negative yardage. That is dumb play calling if you do that and Wilder did that consistently. At least get a nuanced play that goes forward not backwards.

The BW and Brian Scott offense was predictable, simple and unimaginative. Defenses knew exactly what was coming. They were completely out-coached by the Lane Kiffin's of C-USA. Giles seems to have a blind spot as an apologist for the old offensive scheme and coaches.

Incredibly accurate.

Predictable is an understatement. It was an oddity if we didn't use either the step back WR screen play or the inside zone run (which also should be banned). There was a complete lack of play calling creativity on offense during the BW years. TH made his living on quick WR slant throws and broken plays with ODU and BW never adapted after TH left. It was maddening to see the middle of the field consistently wide open but no plays were called to exploit it via slant routes or TE streaks.

(06-30-2020 06:51 AM)FTW ODU Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 05:47 AM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 10:27 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 10:01 AM)FTW ODU Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:44 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  People do not understand the nuicances of calling 85 plays over the course of a football game. Not every play is designed to score a touchdown and some plays can be called to either set up other plays or keep defenses honest. I doubt there is a team in college football that does not call WR screens....and there is a reason for that.

While i've never called a play before, I'm very sure it is bad football to purposely call an offensive play that nearly always results in negative yardage. That is dumb play calling if you do that and Wilder did that consistently. At least get a nuanced play that goes forward not backwards.

The BW and Brian Scott offense was predictable, simple and unimaginative. Defenses knew exactly what was coming. They were completely out-coached by the Lane Kiffin's of C-USA. Giles seems to have a blind spot as an apologist for the old offensive scheme and coaches.

Incredibly accurate.

Predictable is an understatement. It was an oddity if we didn't use either the step back WR screen play or the inside zone run (which also should be banned). There was a complete lack of play calling creativity on offense during the BW years. TH made his living on quick WR slant throws and broken plays with ODU and BW never adapted after TH left. It was maddening to see the middle of the field consistently wide open but no plays were called to exploit it via slant routes or TE streaks.

BWs favorite play was a disaster broken play where Taylor scrambled forever and made a miracle 35 yard pass for 15 yards and a first down. And he was darn good at it.

Heinike made it look like BW had an offense. As we found out, there is a huge difference between having a QB who can make plays out of nothing and having an actual offense.

I think NCAA Football '09 summed it up best: we were essentially a create-a-team with a template playbook that we never bothered to customize.

TE streaks in that game were so satisfying

(06-30-2020 07:01 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I think NCAA Football '09 summed it up best: we were essentially a create-a-team with a template playbook that we never bothered to customize.

TE streaks in that game were so satisfying

Too satisfying. Played a guy who had Arizona and beat me 87-84 (10 minute quarters, All-American). Arizona had some kid named Rob Gronkowski. The only way I could have stopped him is if I somehow downloaded some GTA San Andreas in there and shot him.

But the real fun was when your recruiting hit. I had a speedy four-star WR on my radar and I got him. Turned out he made Tecmo Bowl Bo Jackson look like Tony Mecurio. I just mauled everyone they put in front of me, human and computer alike. Played Pitt in the Orange Bowl, six minute quarters, won 150-19. Good times.

Oh good, this thread has moved on from a huge recruiting win for Coach Rahne to a discussion about BW’s play calling. I was feeling nostalgic

(06-30-2020 07:53 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Oh good, this thread has moved on from a huge recruiting win for Coach Rahne to a discussion about BW’s play calling. I was feeling nostalgic

If the Lion's Den had self-awareness, it would only be 2 pages long

(06-30-2020 07:53 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Oh good, this thread has moved on from a huge recruiting win for Coach Rahne to a discussion about BW’s play calling. I was feeling nostalgic

Come back tomorrow, it'll be Fire JJ.

Threads are just like viruses, they always morph. Only difference is a virus is always a virus, a thread can become anything.

(06-30-2020 07:32 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 07:01 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I think NCAA Football '09 summed it up best: we were essentially a create-a-team with a template playbook that we never bothered to customize.

TE streaks in that game were so satisfying

Too satisfying. Played a guy who had Arizona and beat me 87-84 (10 minute quarters, All-American). Arizona had some kid named Rob Gronkowski. The only way I could have stopped him is if I somehow downloaded some GTA San Andreas in there and shot him.

But the real fun was when your recruiting hit. I had a speedy four-star WR on my radar and I got him. Turned out he made Tecmo Bowl Bo Jackson look like Tony Mecurio. I just mauled everyone they put in front of me, human and computer alike. Played Pitt in the Orange Bowl, six minute quarters, won 150-19. Good times.

As Offensive Coordinator for WKU, I recruited a 6-5 TE from Iowa who was really raw. Tall and good hands, but incredibly slow (thank you, algorithm). He was a bit player his first two seasons and I relied heavily on the after-season training boost to get him where I wanted him to be. This absolute unit gained weight and speed heading into his junior season, during which I happened to have a favorable schedule. Blew everyone away. Did the same his senior season despite frequent double-teams and a more challenging slate. Got to the point that I would just select the play where he runs his best 40 towards the endzone and hurl it with my mediocre QB's wimpy little arm. This guy was a two-time Mackey Award winner and I think the game decided he would go on to a normal post-grad career instead