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(06-22-2020 11:08 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Is this a discussion on how conference academic rankings affect conference expansion? Simply put - it has zero bearing. It's all about whether a school has a large enough fan base willing to spend the money to prop up the conferences - whether it's consuming the content digitally, on site or through donations to the schools athletic departments themselves. The secondary consideration would be whether adding the potential school would cause heartburn due to diverging values - i.e. adding BYU to the PAC12 for example.

Everything else is verbal masturbation to pass the time.

You must not have paid attention the last 15 years. Its very relevant to university presidents who make the decisions, not the ADs.
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(06-22-2020 11:08 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Is this a discussion on how conference academic rankings affect conference expansion? Simply put - it has zero bearing. It's all about whether a school has a large enough fan base willing to spend the money to prop up the conferences - whether it's consuming the content digitally, on site or through donations to the schools athletic departments themselves. The secondary consideration would be whether adding the potential school would cause heartburn due to diverging values - i.e. adding BYU to the PAC12 for example.

Everything else is verbal masturbation to pass the time.

You must not have paid attention the last 15 years. Its very relevant to university presidents who make the decisions, not the ADs.

You say that; however, the moves we have observed look more about conferences expanding their footprints for their cable channels and/or for better TV contract deals among the major networks tbh. It appears that academics COULD be a legit factor; however, IMHO the academic rankings are confounded with the earning potential of the candidates who can move conferences if they want to. Points to consider:
  • B1G took Nebraska despite knowing the university was going to be kicked out of the AAU - which surely does not support the CIC (if you assume this actually matters).
  • UCONN was working towards AAU admissions plus they currently have solid academics. However, the school is not desired and is moving to the Big East for BB.
  • Rutgers - solid academic institution. However, if not for the NYC metro it never gets the B1G invite.
  • Rice - great academics, has D1 sports and located in a great state with a lot of population. However, no one is knocking on their door to invite them to a P5 conference.

At best, academics is a circuit breaker. Not a very strong one in reality. If Boise could build a national brand like Notre Dame did - and makes no changes in it's academic standings - it would get an invite to a P5 program no question.
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(06-22-2020 12:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  You must not have paid attention the last 15 years.

Hey man, it's Miko, all he wants is to get a response.

Saying something readily contradicted by 15 years of history is one straightforward way to get a response.
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The 2021 US News rankings are out:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

I seem to recall somebody making a point about how "everybody knows TCU is a better school than SMU." SMU currently at #66 nationally, TCU at #80.

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(09-14-2020 08:51 AM)usffan Wrote:  The 2021 US News rankings are out:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

I seem to recall somebody making a point about how "everybody knows TCU is a better school than SMU." SMU currently at #66 nationally, TCU at #80.

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Of course the Texas fan was going to say that.
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(09-14-2020 08:51 AM)usffan Wrote:  I seem to recall somebody making a point about how "everybody knows TCU is a better school than SMU." SMU currently at #66 nationally, TCU at #80.

SMU scores better on faculty resources and it has a pair of programs which are competitive nationally (business, engineering). TCU has good majors across the board but there are not any great majors.

TCU is on an upward trajectory:

In 2008, TCU was #113, now it's #80.
In 2008, SMU was #66, now it's #66.
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(09-14-2020 08:51 AM)usffan Wrote:  The 2021 US News rankings are out:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

I seem to recall somebody making a point about how "everybody knows TCU is a better school than SMU." SMU currently at #66 nationally, TCU at #80.

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USNWR is better than nothing, but its barely better.

I'm just telling you the general perception in Texas. SMU is viewed as good, but more of a rich Daddy, preppy school than TCU. I'm reminded of a classmate of mine, "I'm only going to SMU because I got a full scholarship." She really preferred to go to an eastern private school. And she was smart, but not a national merit finalist or top 20 in class rank.
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What does ranking matters when most of these schools accept funds from foreign governments and promote propaganda in schools? Americans are so focus on the name of the schools, but not looking at the funding. We are becoming like former regimes that were were told were dictatorial and and issue for human rights. God knows how long this have been going on; decades if we are honest with ourselves.

https://youtu.be/nJl6UarlJ74
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(09-14-2020 05:24 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  What does ranking matters when most of these schools accept funds from foreign governments and promote propaganda in schools? Americans are so focus on the name of the schools, but not looking at the funding. We are becoming like former regimes that were were told were dictatorial and and issue for human rights. God knows how long this have been going on; decades if we are honest with ourselves.

https://youtu.be/nJl6UarlJ74

You're right, we should stop sending people to schools that focus on frivolous things like teaching grammar and instead send them to schools that use the money to cover up the cuckolding of their president. Thank you for providing such clarity of thought!

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(09-14-2020 07:49 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(09-14-2020 05:24 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  What does ranking matters when most of these schools accept funds from foreign governments and promote propaganda in schools? Americans are so focus on the name of the schools, but not looking at the funding. We are becoming like former regimes that were were told were dictatorial and and issue for human rights. God knows how long this have been going on; decades if we are honest with ourselves.

https://youtu.be/nJl6UarlJ74

You're right, we should stop sending people to schools that focus on frivolous things like teaching grammar and instead send them to schools that use the money to cover up the cuckolding of their president. Thank you for providing such clarity of thought!

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No problem complicity theorist. Yes, there are some grammar issues as I typed my previous message in a rush. I'll also leave it that way just so you will always see that the only thing that you could have sarcastically "own" me by was based on gramatical errors. I'm sure you felt great sending that reply huh lol. Oh yes, the president have done some things which will lead to consequences. Did that make you feel good inside too? I'm sure USF is a perfect lovely place with no errors.
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