Quote:Nursing homes and other senior-care facilities have started to allow more visits after a monthslong lockdown to protect vulnerable residents from coronavirus infections, even as the pandemic’s death toll tied to such places surpasses 50,000.

A Wall Street Journal tally of state data compiling fatalities from Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, underscores the virus’s heavy cost to those living in long-term-care facilities. Deaths among senior-care center staff and residents appear to represent at least 40% of the overall count of more than 116,000 U.S. fatalities related to Covid-19 as compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

The pace of reopening elder-care facilities is uneven around the U.S., with a patchwork of rules that is frustrating some of their operators.

States are trying to strike a delicate balance. Allowing more visitors heightens potential exposure to a virus that is particularly dangerous to frail seniors living in close quarters, and some facilities say protective gear can still be hard to find.

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And that 116,000 covid death count is bull****! Who knows what amount was from other causes, but hospitals got extra funding to declare them virus deaths, so in actuality, after counting the 50,00 in nursing homes, those numbers are probably less than the seasonal flu deaths!

(06-16-2020 06:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  And that 116,000 covid death count is bull****! Who knows what amount was from other causes, but hospitals got extra funding to declare them virus deaths, so in actuality, after counting the 50,00 in nursing homes, those numbers are probably less than the seasonal flu deaths!

Yeah, the elephant in the room. Everyone knows this, despite having so much complete bs being thrown at us, everyone knows this. At some point all of us are going to have to stand up. The politicians aren't going to do it, and the media won't do it. All those people work for us, not the other way around.

The MSM is STILL pushing covid fear stories. Not sure if they know that nobody (except Karens) are listening anymore.

(06-16-2020 06:51 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  The MSM is STILL pushing covid fear stories. Not sure if they know that nobody (except Karens) are listening anymore.

I think most people are just basically numb from all the lies. I think that explains the decline of traditional “network news” as much as anything else.

(06-16-2020 06:51 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  The MSM is STILL pushing covid fear stories. Not sure if they know that nobody (except Karens) are listening anymore.

Yeah, right. It's like trying to convince a certain religion that their leader is "infallible" and about other "things" and making them believe you. Good luck.

Its even higher in KY 324 (63%) of the 512 deaths were in Long Term Care
and other Congregate Facilities

I expect the total nationally to go up on June 18th

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Quote:On June 4 the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) posted its first set of federal COVID-19 nursing home data on a new website. Although it captures data from all states, 12 percent of the nation’s 15,400 Medicare and Medicaid homes have not submitted figures for the count. New data is slated for June 18; however, the CMS plans to release just weekly updates after that.

(06-16-2020 06:51 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  The MSM is STILL pushing covid fear stories. Not sure if they know that nobody (except Karens) are listening anymore.

No kidding. I just laugh at the fear mongering that is cranking back up again. No fear of COVID the past 3 weeks but now that the riots are dying down.

1,154 deaths in NC, 698 (60%) have come from nursing/residental homes.

Here's the real issue with getting to the bottom of Covid deaths - the death rate for nursing homes averages over 31% a year - without Covid. So to see what the real impact of Covid was you have to see what the non Covid death rate is for 2020, or the total death rate and then subtract the 31%.

My guess is that a lot of the Covid deaths were where Covid may have contributed, but those residents weren't going to make it out of 2020 regardless.

Wonder if nursing homes also get rewarded for labeling things Covid.

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(06-16-2020 07:44 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 06:51 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  The MSM is STILL pushing covid fear stories. Not sure if they know that nobody (except Karens) are listening anymore.

No kidding. I just laugh at the fear mongering that is cranking back up again. No fear of COVID the past 3 weeks but now that the riots are dying down.

Exactly. The hypocrisy around the protest gatherings has opened a lot of people's eyes. With protests dying down the MSM's focus now returns to COVID because, well, there is an election coming up in November.

(06-17-2020 07:32 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Wonder if nursing homes also get rewarded for labeling things Covid.

A really good question that I've not heard before.

(06-17-2020 08:03 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 07:32 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Wonder if nursing homes also get rewarded for labeling things Covid.

A really good question that I've not heard before.

That's what I'm here for.

(06-16-2020 06:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  but hospitals got extra funding to declare them virus deaths

Quote:“The idea that hospitals and doctors are falsely inflating COVID numbers and even putting patients on ventilators to drive up their payments is not just ridiculous, but it’s insulting to the doctors who are putting their own lives at risk,” said Joe Hanel, spokesperson for the Colorado Health Institute.

In Colorado, Medicare reimbursement typically equates to 70 cents per dollar for the cost of care provided to a patient. Under the CARES Act, the reimbursement increases to 84 cents per dollar for care for COVID-19 patients, Lonborg said.

“They definitely pay us more for these patients but we still lose money for every (Medicare) patient that we provide this care,” she said.

“The notion that we get paid based on a code for a patient that died, in reality you get paid for the care that we provide and I think that’s a really big distinction,” Lonborg said.

Do Colorado hospitals get extra money for coronavirus cases and deaths? Yes and no.

Sorry dude. I have personal friends who are nurses and surgery assistants who have all told me stories of people coded as covid-19 deaths that died of something else entirely. Sometimes they weren't even tested. But you go on believing whatever your demi-gods tell you.

(06-17-2020 08:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 06:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  but hospitals got extra funding to declare them virus deaths

Quote:“The idea that hospitals and doctors are falsely inflating COVID numbers and even putting patients on ventilators to drive up their payments is not just ridiculous, but it’s insulting to the doctors who are putting their own lives at risk,” said Joe Hanel, spokesperson for the Colorado Health Institute.

In Colorado, Medicare reimbursement typically equates to 70 cents per dollar for the cost of care provided to a patient. Under the CARES Act, the reimbursement increases to 84 cents per dollar for care for COVID-19 patients, Lonborg said.

“They definitely pay us more for these patients but we still lose money for every (Medicare) patient that we provide this care,” she said.

“The notion that we get paid based on a code for a patient that died, in reality you get paid for the care that we provide and I think that’s a really big distinction,” Lonborg said.

Do Colorado hospitals get extra money for coronavirus cases and deaths? Yes and no.

Sounds like hospitals in Colorado don't know how to code.
Your beloved USA Today
A law was passed to pay more for Covid Treatment. Ventilators get even more.

Quote:The coronavirus relief legislation created a 20% premium, or add-on, for COVID-19 Medicare patients.

There have been no public reports that hospitals are exaggerating COVID-19 numbers to receive higher Medicare payments.

Jensen didn't explicitly make that claim. He simply suggested there is an "avenue" to do so now that "plausible" COVID-19, not just laboratory-confirmed, cases can be greenlighted for Medicare payment and eligible for the 20% add-on allowed under the relief act.

I've attached the CARES Act for your reading enjoyment.
https://www.aha.org/special-bulletin/202...-cares-act

Quote:$100 billion to reimburse eligible health care providers for health care-related expenses or lost revenues not otherwise reimbursed that are directly attributable to COVID-19. Eligible providers are defined as public entities, Medicare- or Medicaid-enrolled suppliers and providers, and other for-profit and non-profit entities as specified by the Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary. Funding will be on a rolling basis through “the most efficient payment systems practicable to provide emergency payment;”

I could go on.

Quote:DRG Add-on
During the emergency period, the legislation provides a 20% add-on to the DRG rate for patients with COVID-19. This add-on will apply to patients treated at rural and urban inpatient prospective payment system (IPPS) hospitals

And the reason Cuomo wanted so many ventilators for his donors.

Quote:Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

I spoke with a ICU nurse at one of the hospitals that are treating Covid patients and he said they were treating these patients with ventilators when all they needed to do was do suction. They were hyperventilating and causing problems. He said they now have it under better control with the suction. He doesn't know anything about billing and coding, but everyone now knows the reason. Hospitalists work for the hospital and the more and higher billing treatments they prescribe, the more they and the hospital makes.

We all know lots of people have died from these practices.

(06-17-2020 09:20 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 08:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 06:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  but hospitals got extra funding to declare them virus deaths

Quote:“The idea that hospitals and doctors are falsely inflating COVID numbers and even putting patients on ventilators to drive up their payments is not just ridiculous, but it’s insulting to the doctors who are putting their own lives at risk,” said Joe Hanel, spokesperson for the Colorado Health Institute.

In Colorado, Medicare reimbursement typically equates to 70 cents per dollar for the cost of care provided to a patient. Under the CARES Act, the reimbursement increases to 84 cents per dollar for care for COVID-19 patients, Lonborg said.

“They definitely pay us more for these patients but we still lose money for every (Medicare) patient that we provide this care,” she said.

“The notion that we get paid based on a code for a patient that died, in reality you get paid for the care that we provide and I think that’s a really big distinction,” Lonborg said.

Do Colorado hospitals get extra money for coronavirus cases and deaths? Yes and no.

Sounds like hospitals in Colorado don't know how to code.
Your beloved USA Today
A law was passed to pay more for Covid Treatment. Ventilators get even more.

Quote:The coronavirus relief legislation created a 20% premium, or add-on, for COVID-19 Medicare patients.

There have been no public reports that hospitals are exaggerating COVID-19 numbers to receive higher Medicare payments.

Jensen didn't explicitly make that claim. He simply suggested there is an "avenue" to do so now that "plausible" COVID-19, not just laboratory-confirmed, cases can be greenlighted for Medicare payment and eligible for the 20% add-on allowed under the relief act.

I've attached the CARES Act for your reading enjoyment.
https://www.aha.org/special-bulletin/202...-cares-act

Quote:$100 billion to reimburse eligible health care providers for health care-related expenses or lost revenues not otherwise reimbursed that are directly attributable to COVID-19. Eligible providers are defined as public entities, Medicare- or Medicaid-enrolled suppliers and providers, and other for-profit and non-profit entities as specified by the Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary. Funding will be on a rolling basis through “the most efficient payment systems practicable to provide emergency payment;”

I could go on.

Quote:DRG Add-on
During the emergency period, the legislation provides a 20% add-on to the DRG rate for patients with COVID-19. This add-on will apply to patients treated at rural and urban inpatient prospective payment system (IPPS) hospitals

And the reason Cuomo wanted so many ventilators for his donors.

Quote:Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

I spoke with a ICU nurse at one of the hospitals that are treating Covid patients and he said they were treating these patients with ventilators when all they needed to do was do suction. They were hyperventilating and causing problems. He said they now have it under better control with the suction. He doesn't know anything about billing and coding, but everyone now knows the reason. Hospitalists work for the hospital and the more and higher billing treatments they prescribe, the more they and the hospital makes.

Dude, my article covered it and I even provided you with this quote.

Quote:In Colorado, Medicare reimbursement typically equates to 70 cents per dollar for the cost of care provided to a patient. Under the CARES Act, the reimbursement increases to 84 cents per dollar for care for COVID-19 patients, Lonborg said.

“They definitely pay us more for these patients but we still lose money for every (Medicare) patient that we provide this care,” she said.

And them dying does not get the hospital more money. His claim was and is

(06-17-2020 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 09:20 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 08:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 06:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  but hospitals got extra funding to declare them virus deaths

Quote:“The idea that hospitals and doctors are falsely inflating COVID numbers and even putting patients on ventilators to drive up their payments is not just ridiculous, but it’s insulting to the doctors who are putting their own lives at risk,” said Joe Hanel, spokesperson for the Colorado Health Institute.

In Colorado, Medicare reimbursement typically equates to 70 cents per dollar for the cost of care provided to a patient. Under the CARES Act, the reimbursement increases to 84 cents per dollar for care for COVID-19 patients, Lonborg said.

“They definitely pay us more for these patients but we still lose money for every (Medicare) patient that we provide this care,” she said.

“The notion that we get paid based on a code for a patient that died, in reality you get paid for the care that we provide and I think that’s a really big distinction,” Lonborg said.

Do Colorado hospitals get extra money for coronavirus cases and deaths? Yes and no.

Sounds like hospitals in Colorado don't know how to code.
Your beloved USA Today
A law was passed to pay more for Covid Treatment. Ventilators get even more.

Quote:The coronavirus relief legislation created a 20% premium, or add-on, for COVID-19 Medicare patients.

There have been no public reports that hospitals are exaggerating COVID-19 numbers to receive higher Medicare payments.

Jensen didn't explicitly make that claim. He simply suggested there is an "avenue" to do so now that "plausible" COVID-19, not just laboratory-confirmed, cases can be greenlighted for Medicare payment and eligible for the 20% add-on allowed under the relief act.

I've attached the CARES Act for your reading enjoyment.
https://www.aha.org/special-bulletin/202...-cares-act

Quote:$100 billion to reimburse eligible health care providers for health care-related expenses or lost revenues not otherwise reimbursed that are directly attributable to COVID-19. Eligible providers are defined as public entities, Medicare- or Medicaid-enrolled suppliers and providers, and other for-profit and non-profit entities as specified by the Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary. Funding will be on a rolling basis through “the most efficient payment systems practicable to provide emergency payment;”

I could go on.

Quote:DRG Add-on
During the emergency period, the legislation provides a 20% add-on to the DRG rate for patients with COVID-19. This add-on will apply to patients treated at rural and urban inpatient prospective payment system (IPPS) hospitals

And the reason Cuomo wanted so many ventilators for his donors.

Quote:Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

I spoke with a ICU nurse at one of the hospitals that are treating Covid patients and he said they were treating these patients with ventilators when all they needed to do was do suction. They were hyperventilating and causing problems. He said they now have it under better control with the suction. He doesn't know anything about billing and coding, but everyone now knows the reason. Hospitalists work for the hospital and the more and higher billing treatments they prescribe, the more they and the hospital makes.

Dude, my article covered it and I even provided you with this quote.

Quote:In Colorado, Medicare reimbursement typically equates to 70 cents per dollar for the cost of care provided to a patient. Under the CARES Act, the reimbursement increases to 84 cents per dollar for care for COVID-19 patients, Lonborg said.

“They definitely pay us more for these patients but we still lose money for every (Medicare) patient that we provide this care,” she said.

And them dying does not get the hospital more money. His claim was and is

So, does it help them lose LESS money?