Ouch.. from televising the SEC game of the week at 3:30PM EST to now having ND vs ark, Western MI, WI, stanford, Duke, Clemson and Louisville (if this deal was in place for 2020).

I don't see CBS doing it but I'm no TV executive either

(06-18-2020 10:41 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Ouch.. from televising the SEC game of the week at 3:30PM EST to now having ND vs ark, Western MI, WI, stanford, Duke, Clemson and Louisville (if this deal was in place for 2020).

I don't see CBS doing it but I'm no TV executive either

That's an apples-to-oranges comparison that doesn't take cost into account. It's going to cost $300 million/year for that package of SEC games, versus probably about $30 million/year for the Notre Dame home games.

TerryD do you recall when ND’s rights deal expires?

The next round of rights negotiations should be interesting. ESPN already has the SEC and ACC wrapped up. NBC and CBS are both notoriously cheap when it comes to bidding for rights which just leaves Fox.

I can see Fox going all in with the Big Ten. They could do an exclusive slot at noon and then a second game on the OTA channel at either 3:30 or 7:30. That leaves some good content for FoxSports1 and the BTN.

It will be interesting to see where the T1 content goes for the Big 12 and PAC 12 too.

(06-18-2020 12:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 10:41 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Ouch.. from televising the SEC game of the week at 3:30PM EST to now having ND vs ark, Western MI, WI, stanford, Duke, Clemson and Louisville (if this deal was in place for 2020).

I don't see CBS doing it but I'm no TV executive either

That's an apples-to-oranges comparison that doesn't take cost into account. It's going to cost $300 million/year for that package of SEC games, versus probably about $30 million/year for the Notre Dame home games.

I get the savings but still, ND is a brand and all but those games to broadcast.. ouch.

ND probably sticks to NBC since NBC broadcasts it's game in primetime.. If CBS is still looking to have a kickoff at 3:30 pm and not with the SEC anymore.. 12:30 pm PST Pac 12 games?

Something else to think about with ESPN picking up the SEC Game of the Week to air on ABC:

Last year the Big Ten had 16 games on ABC, plus 5 on ESPN, 5 on ESPN2, and 1 on ESPNU. I’m no expert but ESPN has to shift something to make room for those extra SEC games so I wouldn’t be surprised if they put in a weak bid for Big Ten rights.

Interesting fact about the ACC and ABC: only 10 ACC home games plus the neutral site Chick-fil-a kick off that featured Duke getting crushed by Alabama were on ABC for nationwide telecast.

Miami @ FSU
VT @ UVA
UGA @ GT

and 7 Clemson games

(06-18-2020 12:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  TerryD do you recall when ND’s rights deal expires?

2025

(06-18-2020 01:58 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 12:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 10:41 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Ouch.. from televising the SEC game of the week at 3:30PM EST to now having ND vs ark, Western MI, WI, stanford, Duke, Clemson and Louisville (if this deal was in place for 2020).

I don't see CBS doing it but I'm no TV executive either

That's an apples-to-oranges comparison that doesn't take cost into account. It's going to cost $300 million/year for that package of SEC games, versus probably about $30 million/year for the Notre Dame home games.

I get the savings but still, ND is a brand and all but those games to broadcast.. ouch.

ND probably sticks to NBC since NBC broadcasts it's game in primetime.. If CBS is still looking to have a kickoff at 3:30 pm and not with the SEC anymore.. 12:30 pm PST Pac 12 games?

Most ND home games kick off at 2:30 or 3:30.

(06-18-2020 09:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 01:58 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 12:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 10:41 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Ouch.. from televising the SEC game of the week at 3:30PM EST to now having ND vs ark, Western MI, WI, stanford, Duke, Clemson and Louisville (if this deal was in place for 2020).

I don't see CBS doing it but I'm no TV executive either

That's an apples-to-oranges comparison that doesn't take cost into account. It's going to cost $300 million/year for that package of SEC games, versus probably about $30 million/year for the Notre Dame home games.

I get the savings but still, ND is a brand and all but those games to broadcast.. ouch.

ND probably sticks to NBC since NBC broadcasts it's game in primetime.. If CBS is still looking to have a kickoff at 3:30 pm and not with the SEC anymore.. 12:30 pm PST Pac 12 games?

Most ND home games kick off at 2:30 or 3:30.

Gotcha.. It felt like most of the games I watched them play were during the evening.

(06-17-2020 11:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 11:28 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-17-2020 10:00 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The local affiliates could object to their local news being preempted(actually just delayed), but the alternative would appear to be completely losing the ratings monster that is the SEC game and getting absolutely nothing in return. Of course, their NFL package might end up expanding in the near future, but we'll see. Either way, the affiliates aren't better off if CBS simply abandons college sports on Saturday.

I have no idea what CBS is actually planning, but all of the Big Ten TV rights are back on the market the year before the Pac-12 and Big 12 rights. If CBS wants to "stay in the game" and is willing to pay for it, they could try to buy the Big Ten game of the week to replace the SEC game in the same time slot at 3:30 pm ET.

Not happening. They balked at 300 million for the SEC. They won't be able to touch what FOX offers either.

I don't think CBS will go hard after the Big Ten either, but I wonder if they might be willing to partner with another network on something like that.

Speaking of CBS, they have a pretty good working relationship with Turner(Warner Media).

I wonder if a Turner/CBS combo bid for one of these college properties would be viable.

(06-19-2020 02:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Speaking of CBS, they have a pretty good working relationship with Turner(Warner Media).

I wonder if a Turner/CBS combo bid for one of these college properties would be viable.

No conference will accept first tier football games on a cable network if they have other options.

(06-19-2020 09:33 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 09:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 01:58 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 12:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 10:41 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Ouch.. from televising the SEC game of the week at 3:30PM EST to now having ND vs ark, Western MI, WI, stanford, Duke, Clemson and Louisville (if this deal was in place for 2020).

I don't see CBS doing it but I'm no TV executive either

That's an apples-to-oranges comparison that doesn't take cost into account. It's going to cost $300 million/year for that package of SEC games, versus probably about $30 million/year for the Notre Dame home games.

I get the savings but still, ND is a brand and all but those games to broadcast.. ouch.

ND probably sticks to NBC since NBC broadcasts it's game in primetime.. If CBS is still looking to have a kickoff at 3:30 pm and not with the SEC anymore.. 12:30 pm PST Pac 12 games?

Most ND home games kick off at 2:30 or 3:30.

Gotcha.. It felt like most of the games I watched them play were during the evening.

NBC wants the bigger matchups in prime time, sure.

The good Fathers who run ND don't like them because of increased time to drink and get rowdy at and around the stadium.

They don't like that. Most home games are in the afternoon for a number of reasons, including that one.

(06-20-2020 08:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 09:33 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 09:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 01:58 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 12:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  That's an apples-to-oranges comparison that doesn't take cost into account. It's going to cost $300 million/year for that package of SEC games, versus probably about $30 million/year for the Notre Dame home games.

I get the savings but still, ND is a brand and all but those games to broadcast.. ouch.

ND probably sticks to NBC since NBC broadcasts it's game in primetime.. If CBS is still looking to have a kickoff at 3:30 pm and not with the SEC anymore.. 12:30 pm PST Pac 12 games?

Most ND home games kick off at 2:30 or 3:30.

Gotcha.. It felt like most of the games I watched them play were during the evening.

NBC wants the bigger matchups in prime time, sure.

The good Fathers who run ND don't like them because of increased time to drink and get rowdy at and around the stadium.

They don't like that. Most home games are in the afternoon for a number of reasons, including that one.

Really? Most priests I know are drunks lol

(06-18-2020 10:41 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Ouch.. from televising the SEC game of the week at 3:30PM EST to now having ND vs ark, Western MI, WI, stanford, Duke, Clemson and Louisville (if this deal was in place for 2020).

I don't see CBS doing it but I'm no TV executive either

I would think the Notre Dame contract would be more valuable if they could pair it with something else. For one, ND can drive some viewership to a following or lead in game. For the other, you know you will have football on that station every week, so it will tend to drive up ND viewership. So if not a P5, maybe getting Tier I for the AAC and showing a game of the week.

Yes, people do flip around, but there's a tendency to look at familiar channels. And if there is no game 8 out of 14 weeks, you may not search that channel.

(06-20-2020 11:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 10:41 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Ouch.. from televising the SEC game of the week at 3:30PM EST to now having ND vs ark, Western MI, WI, stanford, Duke, Clemson and Louisville (if this deal was in place for 2020).

I don't see CBS doing it but I'm no TV executive either

I would think the Notre Dame contract would be more valuable if they could pair it with something else. For one, ND can drive some viewership to a following or lead in game. For the other, you know you will have football on that station every week, so it will tend to drive up ND viewership. So if not a P5, maybe getting Tier I for the AAC and showing a game of the week.

Yes, people do flip around, but there's a tendency to look at familiar channels. And if there is no game 8 out of 14 weeks, you may not search that channel.

So maybe CBS would get in on ND and possibly a Pac or Big 12 package to have that game of the week shown after the ND lead in?
Or would CBS use that lead in for something else?

(06-20-2020 11:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 10:41 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Ouch.. from televising the SEC game of the week at 3:30PM EST to now having ND vs ark, Western MI, WI, stanford, Duke, Clemson and Louisville (if this deal was in place for 2020).

I don't see CBS doing it but I'm no TV executive either

I would think the Notre Dame contract would be more valuable if they could pair it with something else. For one, ND can drive some viewership to a following or lead in game. For the other, you know you will have football on that station every week, so it will tend to drive up ND viewership. So if not a P5, maybe getting Tier I for the AAC and showing a game of the week.

Yes, people do flip around, but there's a tendency to look at familiar channels. And if there is no game 8 out of 14 weeks, you may not search that channel.

Don't tell NBC that. They've been with the model of Notre Dame and only Notre Dame for over 30 years running on the broadcast network now. Of course I never said they were smart either.

(06-20-2020 08:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 09:33 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 09:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 01:58 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 12:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  That's an apples-to-oranges comparison that doesn't take cost into account. It's going to cost $300 million/year for that package of SEC games, versus probably about $30 million/year for the Notre Dame home games.

I get the savings but still, ND is a brand and all but those games to broadcast.. ouch.

ND probably sticks to NBC since NBC broadcasts it's game in primetime.. If CBS is still looking to have a kickoff at 3:30 pm and not with the SEC anymore.. 12:30 pm PST Pac 12 games?

Most ND home games kick off at 2:30 or 3:30.

Gotcha.. It felt like most of the games I watched them play were during the evening.

NBC wants the bigger matchups in prime time, sure.

The good Fathers who run ND don't like them because of increased time to drink and get rowdy at and around the stadium.

They don't like that. Most home games are in the afternoon for a number of reasons, including that one.

NBC Notre Dame games in prime time since 2010 according to Wikipedia schedules:

All games 7:30pm ET unless stated otherwise.

2010: Army (Yankee Stadium), 7pm
2011: USC, Maryland (DC)
2012: Michigan, Miami (Chicago)
2013: Arizona State (Dallas), USC
2014: Michigan, Purdue (Indianapolis)
2015: Texas, USC, Boston College (Fenway) (aired on NBCSN)
2016: Michigan State, Stanford
2017: Georgia, Miami Ohio, 5pm (aired on NBCSN), USC
2018: Michigan, Stanford, Florida State
2019: USC
2020 Scheduled: Wisconsin (Lambeau Field), Stanford, Clemson

(06-20-2020 01:24 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 11:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 10:41 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Ouch.. from televising the SEC game of the week at 3:30PM EST to now having ND vs ark, Western MI, WI, stanford, Duke, Clemson and Louisville (if this deal was in place for 2020).

I don't see CBS doing it but I'm no TV executive either

I would think the Notre Dame contract would be more valuable if they could pair it with something else. For one, ND can drive some viewership to a following or lead in game. For the other, you know you will have football on that station every week, so it will tend to drive up ND viewership. So if not a P5, maybe getting Tier I for the AAC and showing a game of the week.

Yes, people do flip around, but there's a tendency to look at familiar channels. And if there is no game 8 out of 14 weeks, you may not search that channel.

Don't tell NBC that. They've been with the model of Notre Dame and only Notre Dame for over 30 years running on the broadcast network now. Of course I never said they were smart either.

(06-20-2020 08:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 09:33 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 09:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-18-2020 01:58 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  I get the savings but still, ND is a brand and all but those games to broadcast.. ouch.

ND probably sticks to NBC since NBC broadcasts it's game in primetime.. If CBS is still looking to have a kickoff at 3:30 pm and not with the SEC anymore.. 12:30 pm PST Pac 12 games?

Most ND home games kick off at 2:30 or 3:30.

Gotcha.. It felt like most of the games I watched them play were during the evening.

NBC wants the bigger matchups in prime time, sure.

The good Fathers who run ND don't like them because of increased time to drink and get rowdy at and around the stadium.

They don't like that. Most home games are in the afternoon for a number of reasons, including that one.

NBC Notre Dame games in prime time since 2010 according to Wikipedia schedules:

All games 7:30pm ET unless stated otherwise.

2010: Army (Yankee Stadium), 7pm
2011: USC, Maryland (DC)
2012: Michigan, Miami (Chicago)
2013: Arizona State (Dallas), USC
2014: Michigan, Purdue (Indianapolis)
2015: Texas, USC, Boston College (Fenway) (aired on NBCSN)
2016: Michigan State, Stanford
2017: Georgia, Miami Ohio, 5pm (aired on NBCSN), USC
2018: Michigan, Stanford, Florida State
2019: USC
2020 Scheduled: Wisconsin (Lambeau Field), Stanford, Clemson

Right. Like I said, a couple of big games are in prime time.

ND and NBC have agreed that the latter can televise two-three home games, tops, in prime time.

Most home games are in the afternoon.

(06-20-2020 03:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 01:24 PM)schmolik Wrote:  NBC Notre Dame games in prime time since 2010 according to Wikipedia schedules:

All games 7:30pm ET unless stated otherwise.

2010: Army (Yankee Stadium), 7pm
2011: USC, Maryland (DC)
2012: Michigan, Miami (Chicago)
2013: Arizona State (Dallas), USC
2014: Michigan, Purdue (Indianapolis)
2015: Texas, USC, Boston College (Fenway) (aired on NBCSN)
2016: Michigan State, Stanford
2017: Georgia, Miami Ohio, 5pm (aired on NBCSN), USC
2018: Michigan, Stanford, Florida State
2019: USC
2020 Scheduled: Wisconsin (Lambeau Field), Stanford, Clemson

Right. Like I said, a couple of big games are in prime time.

ND and NBC have agreed that the latter can televise two-three home games, tops, in prime time.

Most home games are in the afternoon.

I think the feeling is mutual. NBC has no desire to air most of Notre Dame's other lousy rating killer games in prime time. NBC would get better ratings from Saturday Night Live reruns than they would from a Notre Dame home game vs. a MAC opponent. On the other hand, if they moved Notre Dame home games to NBCSN, all bets are off. Miami Ohio-Notre Dame aired at 5pm ET on NBCSN in 2017. If NBC were smart enough to move the Irish's worst games to NBCSN, maybe those games could move later to accommodate times best for NBCSN instead of NBC (examples of games that should be on NBCSN instead of NBC are 2020 vs. Western Michigan, 2021 vs. Toledo, 2022 vs. Marshall and vs. UNLV, etc).

(06-20-2020 04:57 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 03:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-20-2020 01:24 PM)schmolik Wrote:  NBC Notre Dame games in prime time since 2010 according to Wikipedia schedules:

All games 7:30pm ET unless stated otherwise.

2010: Army (Yankee Stadium), 7pm
2011: USC, Maryland (DC)
2012: Michigan, Miami (Chicago)
2013: Arizona State (Dallas), USC
2014: Michigan, Purdue (Indianapolis)
2015: Texas, USC, Boston College (Fenway) (aired on NBCSN)
2016: Michigan State, Stanford
2017: Georgia, Miami Ohio, 5pm (aired on NBCSN), USC
2018: Michigan, Stanford, Florida State
2019: USC
2020 Scheduled: Wisconsin (Lambeau Field), Stanford, Clemson

Right. Like I said, a couple of big games are in prime time.

ND and NBC have agreed that the latter can televise two-three home games, tops, in prime time.

Most home games are in the afternoon.

I think the feeling is mutual. NBC has no desire to air most of Notre Dame's other lousy rating killer games in prime time. NBC would get better ratings from Saturday Night Live reruns than they would from a Notre Dame home game vs. a MAC opponent. On the other hand, if they moved Notre Dame home games to NBCSN, all bets are off. Miami Ohio-Notre Dame aired at 5pm ET on NBCSN in 2017. If NBC were smart enough to move the Irish's worst games to NBCSN, maybe those games could move later to accommodate times best for NBCSN instead of NBC (examples of games that should be on NBCSN instead of NBC are 2020 vs. Western Michigan, 2021 vs. Toledo, 2022 vs. Marshall and vs. UNLV, etc).

The contract only allows one game per year, maximum, to be on NBCSN.

NBC wants more night games, you are simply wrong. ND limited it by contract.