(06-15-2020 04:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Nobody, especially not Trump, EVER called it a miracle cure. How disingenuous can one poster be?

One who doesn't realize no one gives a **** about the WuFLu any more. It's all about the protest, and destruction that they bring with them.

Another article on the lawsuit.

Doctors go to war with feds for 'irrational' limits on coronavirus fighter

(06-15-2020 04:14 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 04:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Nobody, especially not Trump, EVER called it a miracle cure. How disingenuous can one poster be?

One who doesn't realize no one gives a **** about the WuFLu any more. It's all about the protest, and destruction that they bring with them.

How large is the universe?

(06-15-2020 03:36 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  I wonder why the FDA really had to put out a statement on hydroxycloroquine. Was it because it was working, and yesterday, the U.S. had its least amount of covid-19 related deaths in 3 months?

Just like the medical workers that went out supporting the BLM they too are in the Liberal conspiracy to stop out economy...with support from Gates and Soros. Money talks...BS walks and those two know it.

(06-15-2020 12:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  There is no possible way a large government agency could be wrong, impossible.

No, nuh uh, couldn't happen, doesn't happen. Big government agencies are so efficient and always come up with the right answers. Take the CDC for example......uh...scratch that.

The worst thing that happened under Obama is the politicization of so many agencies in our government. Now, science itself has become politicized which is a big, big problem.

Another Highly Touted Hydroxychloroquine Study Turns Out to be a Joke

First there was the big study published in The Lancet, which had to be pulled, a big embarrassment for them.

Quote:But when that study flopped, another study was immediately latched onto. It’s called the RECOVERY trials and was done in the UK. Supposedly, this study was the counter to the fake study published by Lancet. It was the proof that “well yeah, that other study was bad, but this one got the same results.” Well, not so much.

Edmund Fordham wrote a piece on what is an emerging controversy, in which it appears the lead of the RECOVERY trial took hydroxychloroquine for another drug, resulting in a high death rate.

Internet sleuths also got to work on the very heavy doses of the drug that were given – 2400 mg in the first 24 hours, a ‘dose fit for a gorilla’ as one critic had it. Quizzed about this, Landray defended the dosage, twice, as being usual for other diseases such as amoebic dysentery. Say again? Hydroxychloroquine is used for lupus and arthritis as well as malaria, but dysentery? As a footnote in medical history, the older chloroquine was used half a century ago in attempts to control dysentery, but Professor Christian Perronne, head of infectious diseases at Garches, France, told France Soir that it had been abandoned before 1976. Was Landray confusing hydroxychloroquine with the hydroxyquinolines, which are used for dysentery?

1,132 patients died in the RECOVERY trial, with general death rates nearly 10% higher than other country’s hospitals (the trial was randomized through Britain’s NHS). Whether giving people 3x the usual dosage of most other studies played a part is now a very real question.

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/06...be-a-joke/

(06-15-2020 12:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  There is no possible way a large government agency could be wrong, impossible.

So Dr Trump must be right at all costs, huh? [/rollseyes]

(06-15-2020 07:58 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 12:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  There is no possible way a large government agency could be wrong, impossible.

So Dr Trump must be right at all costs, huh? [/rollseyes]

That's what you Left wing people are too dumb to get. It has nothing to do with Trump. He didn't invent the drug, he wasn't the one that started using it to treat covid. He just mentioned that the results seemed positive. The Left just looks at that as another way to get Trump. Trump derangement syndrome. You have it bad.

(06-15-2020 07:58 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 12:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  There is no possible way a large government agency could be wrong, impossible.

So Dr Trump must be right at all costs, huh? [/rollseyes]

Better than rainbow shower curtains lava lamps and being an incel.

(06-15-2020 09:12 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 07:58 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 12:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  There is no possible way a large government agency could be wrong, impossible.

So Dr Trump must be right at all costs, huh? [/rollseyes]

Better than rainbow shower curtains lava lamps and being an incel.

what did lava lamps do to you, dude...

(06-15-2020 02:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 01:12 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Unhinged liberals seem to have an unlimited shopping cart for Orange Man Bad items. It must be really hard living in their skin.

Unhinged is using the most powerful platform in the world, in the middle of a pandemic killing thousands and thousands, and touting pie in the sky dreams.

But keep on pretending that if it were Hillary or Obama or Biden that you would be writing it off. We all know the truth...even you.

I hope somewhere in that skull of obtuse thinking you have formulated a plan for when this bites you on the ass. You know it always does.
Anyway, exactly where does it say in this study that it was killing everyone who took it? Where does it dispute the tons of evidence that the drug saved some people’s lives? Did it harm anyone?
You liberals hate corporations and rich people yet you gobble up the fabrications of just such a collaboration to harm the use of a possible cheap drug that has shown positive results. All for a faint hope that it somehow harms Trump. Which it won’t.
Millions upon millions of dollars are at stake here. Follow the money.

(06-15-2020 12:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 12:49 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 12:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Tell me again how right trump was...

Quote:The Food and Drug Administration on Monday withdrew emergency use authorizations for two coronavirus treatments that President Donald Trump promoted despite concerns about their safety and effectiveness.

The agency revoked the authorizations for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine after a request from Gary Disbrow, acting director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority.

After reviewing new information from large clinical trials the agency now believes that the suggested dosing regimens "are unlikely to produce an antiviral effect," FDA chief scientist Denise Hinton said in a letter announcing the decision.

This month two randomized controlled trials, considered the gold standard for determining whether a drug is effective, concluded that the drug does not prevent coronavirus infection and did not help hospitalized patients.

FDA ends emergency use of hydroxychloroquine for coronavirus

Also....

Quote:Though drugmakers have donated millions of pills to federal and state governments, it is not clear how many have even been used. Florida, for instance, is sitting on more than 980,000 unused doses from an April donation after just six hospitals put in requests for the drug.

So no, front line people and their families don't appear to be taking it either, at least not in Florida.

They've probably been so busy faking up their own studies they haven't seen the Lancet disgrace yet.

The article covers it and this decision was based on other large clinical trials.

Keep toting Gunga.

Just ahead of a predicted resurgence in cases. No coincidence that.

(06-15-2020 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 01:29 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 12:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 12:44 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 12:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Tell me again how right trump was...

FDA ends emergency use of hydroxychloroquine for coronavirus

Also....


So no, front line people and their families don't appear to be taking it either, at least not in Florida.

My Aunt was put on it end of last week while in ICU. She went home yesterday. Mississippi.

This is the disingenuous political manipulation of terms. Nobody ever claimed Hydroxychloroquine was an "anti viral". The reason it works is that it reduces the inflammation in the lining of the lungs and bronchial tubes. Therefore it increases the oxygen absorption and helps to prevent the pneumonia deaths. Which by the way is why azithromycin works with it. Never has anyone claimed it to be an anti-viral, but many doctors have claimed that it relieved the lethal side effects of COVID19 permitting the patients own immune system to help them to survive.

This is more Leftist word play by militant globalists using their science positions to further an agenda at the expense of the patients affected by the removal of the treatment wellbeing. When semantics are used to kill then those who use them need to face conviction for murder.

But you see...not Redtom...to RedTom this is gospel truth and orgasmic at the same time. He wants to Trump to fail, no matter what. Tom thinks that Trump came up with the cure idea on his own. He couldn't have gotten that information from some Doctors or something similar.

Anyway...I'm off to get my clorox shot...will be back shortly...

What's funny is that trump gets most of his nonsense from OANN and Fox and Friends...but you turn a blind eye to it.

But no, it was not the virus task force doctors pushing the miracle...that was all on trump. Sorry.

Cite your sources or retract you ******* loon. You don't get to spout nonsense unchallenged.

(06-15-2020 03:36 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  I wonder why the FDA really had to put out a statement on hydroxycloroquine. Was it because it was working, and yesterday, the U.S. had its least amount of covid-19 related deaths in 3 months?

And did so after a prediction of a coming second wave and a vaccine on the horizon. Curiouser and curiouser...

(06-15-2020 04:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Nobody, especially not Trump, EVER called it a miracle cure. How disingenuous can one poster be?

Well, for that one the sky is the limit.

(06-15-2020 09:31 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 02:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 01:12 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Unhinged liberals seem to have an unlimited shopping cart for Orange Man Bad items. It must be really hard living in their skin.

Unhinged is using the most powerful platform in the world, in the middle of a pandemic killing thousands and thousands, and touting pie in the sky dreams.

But keep on pretending that if it were Hillary or Obama or Biden that you would be writing it off. We all know the truth...even you.

I hope somewhere in that skull of obtuse thinking you have formulated a plan for when this bites you on the ass. You know it always does.
Anyway, exactly where does it say in this study that it was killing everyone who took it? Where does it dispute the tons of evidence that the drug saved some people’s lives? Did it harm anyone?
You liberals hate corporations and rich people yet you gobble up the fabrications of just such a collaboration to harm the use of a possible cheap drug that has shown positive results. All for a faint hope that it somehow harms Trump. Which it won’t.
Millions upon millions of dollars are at stake here. Follow the money.

Exactly...

(06-15-2020 04:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Nobody, especially not Trump, EVER called it a miracle cure. How disingenuous can one poster be?

Oh geez, don't challenge them. You'd be SHOCKED at how disingenuous one can be.

(06-16-2020 09:56 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 04:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Nobody, especially not Trump, EVER called it a miracle cure. How disingenuous can one poster be?

Oh geez, don't challenge them. You'd be SHOCKED at how disingenuous one can be.

They continue to push whatever the media tells them. It's mental. No matter how many times they are told a Dr still had to be involved they continue to choose to ignore that fact. Sometimes, you have to let them talk in their own echo chamber while the rest of us choose to accept reality.

(06-16-2020 10:27 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 09:56 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 04:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Nobody, especially not Trump, EVER called it a miracle cure. How disingenuous can one poster be?

Oh geez, don't challenge them. You'd be SHOCKED at how disingenuous one can be.

They continue to push whatever the media tells them. It's mental. No matter how many times they are told a Dr still had to be involved they continue to choose to ignore that fact. Sometimes, you have to let them talk in their own echo chamber while the rest of us choose to accept reality.

I seem to have misplaced all your posts calling those out who praised trump by saying he was right about this drug rather than the doctors. Interesting...well, not really.

(06-16-2020 10:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 10:27 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 09:56 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-15-2020 04:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Nobody, especially not Trump, EVER called it a miracle cure. How disingenuous can one poster be?

Oh geez, don't challenge them. You'd be SHOCKED at how disingenuous one can be.

They continue to push whatever the media tells them. It's mental. No matter how many times they are told a Dr still had to be involved they continue to choose to ignore that fact. Sometimes, you have to let them talk in their own echo chamber while the rest of us choose to accept reality.

I seem to have misplaced all your posts calling those out who praised trump by saying he was right about this drug rather than the doctors. Interesting...well, not really.

I'm not responsible for what other's choose to say; however, from the gitgo, I've pointed out that no matter what Trump said/didn't say, the only way the drug could be administered was with a Drs prescription. So, quite literally, it didn't matter what Trump said one way or the other. Some Drs prescribed the drug and some patients said it was helpful so although it wasn't a cure, which no one ever said it was anyway, if it helped some people then, in my book, that's a good thing.